Squats/DLs, same day.

"J J" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Are these OK to do in the same workout? Like Squats first, then right
into deadlifts? Or should they be done on different days? I want to
get these in 2x/week. But doing them separately, quads would be hit 4
days/week. Too much? If I alternate Squats, then DLs every 3 or 4
days, that may not be enough. The last time I took off Squats for 7
days, that next session was difficult, lost the feel of the weight.
My routine:

Day 1: Squats/DLs
Day 2: Ch/Sh/Tri
Day 3: Back/Bi/Abs
Day 4: Off

You're really from webtv? Wow, talk about flashback.

Anyway, I used to do squats and DLs on the same day. I had a split that
looks kind of like yours (as I recall). I used to alternate which one I did
first. I mean, week 1, squats first and week 2, DLs first. This because
you will not be able to do as much on whichever lift you do second.

I also found this was a really great way to trash my legs (which was not
necessarily a good thing) and I also _always_ had DOMS the next day or two.

On reread I see that you plan to try to do these twice a week and that might
be better for reducing DOMS. How does it work for you to do
chest/shoulders/tris after DLing? My shoulders used to get a pretty good
work out from DLing. Of course, the back gets a good work out, too, so
swapping day 2 & 3 isn't necessarily the answer. I'd say, give it a try and
see how it goes. It's not like you're locked into anything by trying
something new.

Selene

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"J J" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Are these OK to do in the same workout? Like Squats first, then
right into deadlifts? Or should they be done on different days? I
want to get these in 2x/week. But doing them separately, quads would
be hit 4 days/week. Too much? If I alternate Squats, then DLs every
3 or 4 days, that may not be enough. The last time I took off Squats
for 7 days, that next session was difficult, lost the feel of the
weight. My routine:

Day 1: Squats/DLs
Day 2: Ch/Sh/Tri
Day 3: Back/Bi/Abs
Day 4: Off

You're really from webtv? Wow, talk about flashback.

Anyway, I used to do squats and DLs on the same day. I had a split that
looks kind of like yours (as I recall). I used to alternate which one I
did first. I mean, week 1, squats first and week 2, DLs first. This
because you will not be able to do as much on whichever lift you do
second.

I also found this was a really great way to trash my legs (which was not
necessarily a good thing) and I also _always_ had DOMS the next day or
two.

On reread I see that you plan to try to do these twice a week and that
might be better for reducing DOMS. How does it work for you to do
chest/shoulders/tris after DLing? My shoulders used to get a pretty
good work out from DLing. Of course, the back gets a good work out,
too, so swapping day 2 & 3 isn't necessarily the answer. I'd say, give
it a try and see how it goes. It's not like you're locked into anything
by trying something new.

Selene

I do them together in a 3xweek whole-body workout. After the DL's I'm
pretty much trashed--I do MP in theory, but they're a joke. I've been
doing back squats PL style--I'm thinking front squats are probably better
in combination with the DLs.

Hugh

--
Run like hell and let the clowns deal with the bull.

Hugh Beyer said:

"Selene" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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"J J" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Are these OK to do in the same workout? Like Squats first, then
right into deadlifts? Or should they be done on different days? I
want to get these in 2x/week. But doing them separately, quads
would be hit 4 days/week. Too much? If I alternate Squats, then
DLs every 3 or 4 days, that may not be enough. The last time I
took off Squats for 7 days, that next session was difficult, lost
the feel of the weight. My routine:

Day 1: Squats/DLs
Day 2: Ch/Sh/Tri
Day 3: Back/Bi/Abs
Day 4: Off

You're really from webtv? Wow, talk about flashback.

Anyway, I used to do squats and DLs on the same day. I had a split
that looks kind of like yours (as I recall). I used to alternate
which one I did first. I mean, week 1, squats first and week 2, DLs
first. This because you will not be able to do as much on whichever
lift you do second.

I also found this was a really great way to trash my legs (which was
not necessarily a good thing) and I also _always_ had DOMS the next
day or two.

On reread I see that you plan to try to do these twice a week and
that might be better for reducing DOMS. How does it work for you to
do chest/shoulders/tris after DLing? My shoulders used to get a
pretty good work out from DLing. Of course, the back gets a good
work out, too, so swapping day 2 & 3 isn't necessarily the answer.
I'd say, give it a try and see how it goes. It's not like you're
locked into anything by trying something new.

Selene

I do them together in a 3xweek whole-body workout. After the DL's I'm
pretty much trashed--I do MP in theory, but they're a joke. I've been
doing back squats PL style--I'm thinking front squats are probably
better in combination with the DLs.

Hugh

I do a three day split. Push, pull and legs. For legs, I do squats, either
straight leg DL or standard, and calf raises. If I'm feeling ambitious,
I'll superset legs with a pull day. If I just do legs, I'll usually do
cardio after on that day. Treadmill or kicking drills.

I'm not saying this is what the OP should do. Just that it's what I do and
I find it works for me.
--
-Larry

I did them together yesterday. One good thing, after Squats I was
warmed up, so it was easy to jump right into DLs. It was harder to do
them. I had to take 4 or 5 mins rest in between each DL set..
And I was wasted, the front of my quads felt smaller for a while.

Since I prefer DLs to SLDLs, should I add a few sets of Leg Curls?

My routine,
-Squats: (1st 3 sets are warmup, not much effort), weight increases
with most sets.

1 x 12 to 15 reps
1 x 12
1 x 10
1 x 10
1 x 8
1 x 8
1 x 6
1 x 3 to 5

-DLs, 5 sets, 1st set warmup.

1 x 10
1 x 10
1 x 8
1 x 6
1 x 5 or 6

- Calves 5 sets.

Should I change anything? Also someone told me to keep DLs and Squats
separate and alternate. Like this:

Sun - Sq
Tues - DLs
Thurs - Sq
Sat - DLs

Is that better?

"J J" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I did them together yesterday. One good thing, after Squats I was
warmed up, so it was easy to jump right into DLs. It was harder to do
them. I had to take 4 or 5 mins rest in between each DL set..

This is not a bad thing.

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And I was wasted, the front of my quads felt smaller for a while.

"Felt smaller" ? What a bizarre way to measure performance or success in
lifting.

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Since I prefer DLs to SLDLs, should I add a few sets of Leg Curls?

What's wrong with SLDLs? You mean, for more hamstring work?
If you won't do SLDLs, how about Good Mornings or Reverse Hypers?

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My routine,
-Squats: (1st 3 sets are warmup, not much effort), weight increases
with most sets.

1 x 12 to 15 reps
1 x 12
1 x 10
1 x 10
1 x 8
1 x 8
1 x 6
1 x 3 to 5

That'a a LOT of reps. Have you considered fewer reps, fewer sets, and only
one (heavier) working weight? (keeping the warmups).

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-DLs, 5 sets, 1st set warmup.

1 x 10
1 x 10
1 x 8
1 x 6
1 x 5 or 6

Still seems like a lot to me. How long are you spending in the gym?

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- Calves 5 sets.

Should I change anything? Also someone told me to keep DLs and Squats
separate and alternate. Like this:

Sun - Sq
Tues - DLs
Thurs - Sq
Sat - DLs

Is that better?

Wouldn't be for me - I'd be constantly trashed, and not able to give much on
my other days. Are you doing any other heavy lifting, like on your lats or
abs or chest or? When do you squeeze that in? Do you think you'd get
enough rest/recovery on a schedule like this? You'd be DLing one day and
squatting the next on the weekend.

However, it depends ($1 to Lyle). Some people might be able to handle this.
I couldn't. This is not to say it's wrong. I'm a huge advocate of trying
things out and seeing what works for YOUR body. It ain't gonna happen
overnight (though I did once add 25 pounds to my bench in 6 weeks), so you
have years to experiment.

Selene