On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:31:34 +0100, Jeremy Collins <[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):
> dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote: > >> Does it state anywhere that a pedal cycle is a *vehicle*??? > > I couldn't find a UK legal definition of "vehicle",
That's becuase it varies from part to part of the UK.
Legally, IIRC, under Scottish law bicycles can be viewed as a pedestrian with additional equipment, although I've no idea what the specific phrasing is.
Hansford vs London Express Newspapers (1928):
"I cannot see any reason for putting a limitation on the meaning of the word "vehicle" and I hold that the word included a bicycle."
In what jurisdiction was that decision made and what relevance has it to Scotland?
Its in the English Courts which have no relevance to Scotland other than precedents from other legal systems can be used in the Scottish Courts. I have had an Australian court decision used in helping an English Court interpretation. However since the definition of vehicle was in respect of the RPOOSR 1984 which only applies to the Royal Parks etc in London, English Law is the relevant one for interpreting the Regulations.
That's your problem. Your inability to measure your speed no more exempts you if you break the speed limit than your inability to measure you blood alcohol exempts you if you exceed the drink driving limit.
Surely if you know how much you drank then there is a reasonable expectation that you'd know if you were over the limit or not? If you have half a pint you can reasonably assume you're below the limit. If you have four then it would be difficult for you to argue that you would be under the limit. I don't see how one can be expected to know ones speed with any sort of accuracy.
Well if you pedal very slowly you can probably reasonably assume you are below the limit and if you pedal furiously in top gear you can probably assume you are over the limit. So where's the difference.
Tony
PS Blood alcohol depends on many more factors than how much including body size, metabolism, how quickly you drank it, what the drink was, how long ago so not at all easy to estimate with any accuracy at all. In fact I bet you can judge your speed more accurately than your blood alcohol level.
I can't believe that anyone who rides a bike cannot ride in such a manner as to be certain they are riding at under 20mph. They may do that by riding at 10mph, of course.
You forget they belong to the Church of Cager which beleives that speed limits are the speed you must go at and not the maximum speed you are allowed to go.
I was going to ask about this. The 20mph speed limit in Richmond Park has bee introduced.........
We're lucky cycling is allowed at all there. Shame about Windsor Great Park: "No cycles -- ridden or otherwise".
~PB
The situation in Windsor Great Park is complicated by poor signing. You can legally cycle on most park roads south of the Copper Horse - Sustrans route 4 goes through the park.
Paul Luton
-- CTC Right to Ride Representative for Richmond upon Thames
We're lucky cycling is allowed at all there. Shame about Windsor Great Park: "No cycles -- ridden or otherwise".
The situation in Windsor Great Park is complicated by poor signing. You can legally cycle on most park roads south of the Copper Horse - Sustrans route 4 goes through the park.
Oh right. I don't know the area well at all.
I was thinking of one particular glorious bit: The Long Walk, I think, south of the A308. Why no cycles there? Keeping the off-roading riff raff out, or just because Her Maj doesn't like bikes?
"Pete Biggs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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I was thinking of one particular glorious bit: The Long Walk, I think, south of the A308. Why no cycles there? Keeping the off-roading riff raff out, or just because Her Maj doesn't like bikes?
There's been no cycling there since way before off-roading was popular.
"Pete Biggs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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Paul Luton said:
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We're lucky cycling is allowed at all there. Shame about Windsor Great Park: "No cycles -- ridden or otherwise".
The situation in Windsor Great Park is complicated by poor signing. You can legally cycle on most park roads south of the Copper Horse - Sustrans route 4 goes through the park.
Oh right. I don't know the area well at all.
I was thinking of one particular glorious bit: The Long Walk, I think, south of the A308. Why no cycles there? Keeping the off-roading riff raff out, or just because Her Maj doesn't like bikes?
I used to ride through it a lot, was always intrigued by the speed limit; 38mph, was this the speed below which it was not possible to collide with a corgi? ;-)
In article <[email hidden]>, Martinm2 @wcms.org.uk says...
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I used to ride through it a lot, was always intrigued by the speed limit; 38mph, was this the speed below which it was not possible to collide with a corgi? ;-)
Surely as long as you try hard it is possible to collide with a corgi at any speed. I guess at lower speeds it is easier to ensure that you hit with the drive side of the bike, thus increasing the chance of inflicting injury with the chain ring!
