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  1. Ohhhhhh, my! How do they know these things? So true.

    Oil Change instructions for Women:

    1) Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles since the
    last oil change.
    2) Drink a cup of coffee.
    3) 15 minutes later, write a check and leave with a properly maintained
    vehicle.

    Money spent:
    Oil Change $20.00
    Coffee $1.00
    Total $21.00
    ===========================================

    Oil Change instructions for Men:

    1) Wait until Saturday, drive to auto parts store and buy a case of
    oil, filter,
    kitty litter, hand cleaner and a scented tree, write a check for
    $50.00.
    2) Stop by 7 - 11 and buy a case of beer, write a check for $20, drive
    home.
    3) Open a beer and drink it.
    4) Jack car up. Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands.
    5) Find jack stands under kid's pedal car.
    6) In frustration, open another beer and drink it.
    7) Place drain pan under engine.
    8) Look for 9/16 box end wrench.
    9) Give up and use crescent wrench.
    10) Unscrew drain plug.
    11) Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil: splash hot oil on you in
    process. Cuss.
    12) Crawl out from under car to wipe hot oil off of face and arms.
    Throw kitty litter
    on spilled oil.
    13) Have another beer while watching oil drain.
    14) Spend 30 minutes looking for oil filter wrench.
    15) Give up; crawl under car and hammer a screwdriver through oil ilter
    and twist off.
    16) Crawl out from under car with dripping oil filter splashing oil
    everywhere from holes. Cleverly hide old oil filter among trash in
    trash can to avoid environmental penalties. Drink a beer.
    17) Buddy shows up; finish case of beer with him. Decide to finish oil
    change
    tomorrow so you can go see his new garage door opener.
    18) Sunday: Skip church because "I gotta finish the oil change." Drag
    pan full
    of old oil out from underneath car. Cleverly dump oil in hole in back
    yard
    instead of taking it back to Kragen to recycle.
    9) Throw kitty litter on oil spilled during step 18.
    20) Beer? No, drank it all yesterday.
    21) Walk to 7-11; buy beer.
    22) Install new oil filter making sure to apply a thin coat of oil to
    gasket surface.
    23) Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine.
    24) Remember drain plug from step 11.
    25) Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan.
    26) Remember that the used oil is buried in a hole in the back yard,
    along
    with drain plug.
    27) Drink beer.
    28) Shovel out hole and sift oily mud for drain plug. Re-shovel oily
    dirt
    into hole. Steal sand from kids sandbox to cleverly cover oily patch of

    ground and avoid environmental penalties. Wash drain plug in lawnmower
    gas.
    29) Discover that first quart of fresh oil is now on the floor. Throw
    kitty
    litter on oil spill.
    30) Drink beer.
    31) Crawl under car getting kitty litter into eyes. Wipe eyes with
    oily rag
    used to clean drain plug. Slip with stupid crescent wrench tightening
    drain
    plug and bang knuckles on frame.
    32) Bang head on floorboards in reaction to step 31.
    33) Begin cussing fit.
    34) Throw stupid crescent wrench.
    35) Cuss for additional 10 minutes because wrench hit bowling trophy.
    36) Beer.
    37) Clean up hands and forehead and bandage as required t o stop blood
    flow.
    38) Beer.
    39) Beer.
    40) Dump in five fresh quarts of oil.
    41) Beer.
    42) Lower car from jack stands.
    43) Accidentally crush remaining case of new motor oil.
    44) Move car back to apply more kitty litter to fresh oil spilled
    during steps 23 - 43.
    45) Beer.
    46) Test drive car.
    47) Get pulled over: arrested for driving under the influence.
    48) Car gets impounded.
    49) Call loving wife, make bail.
    50) 12 hours later, get car from impound yard.

    Money spent:

    Parts $50.00
    DUI $2500.00
    mpound fee $75.00
    Bail $1500.00
    Beer $40.00
    Total - - $4,165.00

    But you know the job was done right!

    anon

    Sheldon

  2. Sheldon said:

    Ohhhhhh, my! How do they know these things? So true.

    Oil Change instructions for Women:

    1) Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles since the
    last oil change.
    2) Drink a cup of coffee.
    3) 15 minutes later, write a check and leave with a properly maintained
    vehicle.

    Money spent:
    Oil Change $20.00
    Coffee $1.00
    Total $21.00
    ===========================================

    Oil Change instructions for Men:

    Money spent:

    Parts $50.00
    DUI $2500.00
    impound fee $75.00
    Bail $1500.00
    Beer $40.00
    Total - - $4,165.00

    But you know the job was done right!

    Sheldon

    (snip)

    I got this several weeks ago in an e-mail. And you know, I think they
    hit the nail on the head.

    :-)

  3. LOLOL! I'm sending that to all of my friends!

    🙂
    sf
    `````````````````````

    Sheldon said:

    Ohhhhhh, my! How do they know these things? So true.

    Oil Change instructions for Women:

    1) Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles since the
    last oil change.
    2) Drink a cup of coffee.
    3) 15 minutes later, write a check and leave with a properly maintained
    vehicle.

    Money spent:
    Oil Change $20.00
    Coffee $1.00
    Total $21.00
    ===========================================

    Oil Change instructions for Men:

    1) Wait until Saturday, drive to auto parts store and buy a case of
    oil, filter,

    <snip long story>

    Quoted message said:


    Money spent:

    Parts $50.00
    DUI $2500.00
    mpound fee $75.00
    Bail $1500.00
    Beer $40.00
    Total - - $4,165.00

    But you know the job was done right!

    anon

    Sheldon

    --

    Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.

  4. Sheldon said:

    Ohhhhhh, my! How do they know these things? So true.

    Quoted message said:

    Oil Change instructions for Men:


    ( Excellent yet expensive rendition deleted for brevity)

    Quoted message said:

    Sheldon

    But you may ask WHY men choose to do it this way?

    Because they NEVER ask for directions OR consult a map and wouldn't be
    able to find the nearest Jiffy Lube if their life depended on it....
    unless of course a female was in the passenger seat!!!

    hehehehehe

    LadyJane <standing well back from the monitor to avoid being bombarded
    by missiles!!!>
    --
    "Never trust a skinny cook!"

  5. "LadyJane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Sheldon said:

    Ohhhhhh, my! How do they know these things? So true.

    Quoted message said:

    Oil Change instructions for Men:


    ( Excellent yet expensive rendition deleted for brevity)

    Quoted message said:

    Sheldon

    But you may ask WHY men choose to do it this way?

    Because they NEVER ask for directions OR consult a map and wouldn't be
    able to find the nearest Jiffy Lube if their life depended on it....
    unless of course a female was in the passenger seat!!!

    Dang, a man can't even find a pair of socks, his wallet, or even a COFFEE
    cup for gosh sakes! (And the coffee cups have been in the same cabinet for
    about 2.5 years.....) I've found it's just easier for me to collect my
    husband's wallet, cell phone, keys, lunch, coffee-to-go, and set them on the
    table near the door so he's got everything he needs for work in one spot.
    It prevents all the "honey, where's my......"

    kili

  6. "kilikini" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "LadyJane" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Sheldon said:

    Ohhhhhh, my! How do they know these things? So true.

    Quoted message said:

    Oil Change instructions for Men:


    ( Excellent yet expensive rendition deleted for brevity)

    Quoted message said:

    Sheldon

    But you may ask WHY men choose to do it this way?

    Because they NEVER ask for directions OR consult a map and wouldn't be
    able to find the nearest Jiffy Lube if their life depended on it....
    unless of course a female was in the passenger seat!!!

    Quoted message said:

    Dang, a man can't even find a pair of socks, his wallet, or even a COFFEE
    cup for gosh sakes! (And the coffee cups have been in the same cabinet
    for
    about 2.5 years.....) I've found it's just easier for me to collect my
    husband's wallet, cell phone, keys, lunch, coffee-to-go, and set them on
    the
    table near the door so he's got everything he needs for work in one spot.
    It prevents all the "honey, where's my......"

    Y'all are hanging around with the wrong men.

    nancy

  7. Sheldon said:

    Ohhhhhh, my! How do they know these things? So true.

    Quoted message said:

    Oil Change instructions for Men:

    So true. I experienced a similar scenario years ago in changing spark
    plug wires. Presented the situation to a habitual auto-tinkering friend
    who hemmed and hawed, then finally asked me "what else are you going to
    do with your time?"

  8. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sheldon wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oil Change instructions for Men:

    Quoted message said:

    So true. I experienced a similar scenario years ago in changing spark
    plug wires. Presented the situation to a habitual auto-tinkering friend
    who hemmed and hawed, then finally asked me "what else are you going to
    do with your time?"

    My ex fil was an engineer and the whole family mindset was
    do it yourself. Not knocking it, my ex could fix stuff and that was
    great, but damn it took a lot of time. And you know something
    would go wrong necessitating trips to the store for a whatchamacallit.
    Before you knew it, Saturday was over.

    Now, I drive over to this place, not a chain, they change the oil,
    check the tire pressure, fill the windshield washer fluid, etc. etc. etc.,
    windshield wipers. Then, they a great carwash, you're in and out of
    there was a clean car inside and out. Under $30.

    Only way to go.

    nancy

  9. "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sheldon wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oil Change instructions for Men:

    Quoted message said:

    So true. I experienced a similar scenario years ago in changing spark
    plug wires. Presented the situation to a habitual auto-tinkering friend
    who hemmed and hawed, then finally asked me "what else are you going to
    do with your time?"

    My ex fil was an engineer and the whole family mindset was
    do it yourself. Not knocking it, my ex could fix stuff and that was
    great, but damn it took a lot of time. And you know something
    would go wrong necessitating trips to the store for a whatchamacallit.
    Before you knew it, Saturday was over.

    Now, I drive over to this place, not a chain, they change the oil,
    check the tire pressure, fill the windshield washer fluid, etc. etc. etc.,
    windshield wipers. Then, they a great carwash, you're in and out of
    there was a clean car inside and out. Under $30.

    Only way to go.

    nancy

    We recently purchased a used 2001 Nissan Pathfinder and my husband doesn't
    have a clue as to how to work on it and doesn't have the proper tools -
    which is kind of nice. 30 minutes in a local place and we had the oil
    changed, oil filter changed and pretty much everything else you get done at
    your place. They advertised the service at $19.99, but when they opened the
    hood and saw the engine, they charged us about $32, I think. They said
    they'd only seen 1 other engine this complicated before. What's with
    Pathfinders?

    kili

  10. "kilikini" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My ex fil was an engineer and the whole family mindset was
    do it yourself. Not knocking it, my ex could fix stuff and that was
    great, but damn it took a lot of time. And you know something
    would go wrong necessitating trips to the store for a whatchamacallit.
    Before you knew it, Saturday was over.

    Quoted message said:

    We recently purchased a used 2001 Nissan Pathfinder and my husband doesn't
    have a clue as to how to work on it and doesn't have the proper tools -
    which is kind of nice. 30 minutes in a local place and we had the oil
    changed, oil filter changed and pretty much everything else you get done
    at
    your place. They advertised the service at $19.99, but when they opened
    the
    hood and saw the engine, they charged us about $32, I think. They said
    they'd only seen 1 other engine this complicated before. What's with
    Pathfinders?

    That's another thing, today's cars ... you really don't want to screw
    around with them much. I used to be able to do smallish stuff with
    cars, I could even do brake pads and such, I wouldn't touch that for
    nuthin anymore. You just know some computerized thing will know
    you're not authorized to do that. No.

    nancy

  11. "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "kilikini" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My ex fil was an engineer and the whole family mindset was
    do it yourself. Not knocking it, my ex could fix stuff and that was
    great, but damn it took a lot of time. And you know something
    would go wrong necessitating trips to the store for a whatchamacallit.
    Before you knew it, Saturday was over.

    Quoted message said:

    We recently purchased a used 2001 Nissan Pathfinder and my husband


    doesn't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have a clue as to how to work on it and doesn't have the proper tools -
    which is kind of nice. 30 minutes in a local place and we had the oil
    changed, oil filter changed and pretty much everything else you get done
    at
    your place. They advertised the service at $19.99, but when they opened
    the
    hood and saw the engine, they charged us about $32, I think. They said
    they'd only seen 1 other engine this complicated before. What's with
    Pathfinders?

    That's another thing, today's cars ... you really don't want to screw
    around with them much. I used to be able to do smallish stuff with
    cars, I could even do brake pads and such, I wouldn't touch that for
    nuthin anymore. You just know some computerized thing will know
    you're not authorized to do that. No.

    nancy

    Yeah, I hear ya. We now have this censor light on that *only* the
    dealership can turn off and fix - for $150. Sheesh!

    kili


  12. Quoted message said:

    3) 15 minutes later, write a check and leave with a properly maintained
    vehicle.

    ......and hope the $8.00/hr "mechanic" that's working on your $35K car
    doesn't screw it up so that you drive 20 mils and break down. Then since you
    know nothing about cars, you can't prove they did it and it cost you $2800
    for a new engine (assembly required).

    Quoted message said:


    Money spent:
    Oil Change $20.00
    Coffee $1.00
    Total $21.00

    But then they say you need a new fan belt, air filter, door hinge grease,
    shock absorbers, struts, antifreeze, add tail-light fluid, bumper tinting,
    brake pad flossing,......(the kids can get a commission on extras they
    sell.)

    Money spent: $950 -- Oh, did you want oil too? And a filter? We only use the
    very minimum quality we can find so we save you even more money.

    Quoted message said:

    Money spent:

    Parts $50.00
    DUI $2500.00
    mpound fee $75.00
    Bail $1500.00
    Beer $40.00
    Total - - $4,165.00

    But you know the job was done right!

    You do? I had a brake job done by one of those teenaged "mechanics" once.


    He lost the correct washer (with a tab to prevent it spinning) so he put in
    a regular round washer. A few hundred miles and another city later I had to
    replace the whole brake assembly, tire, bearings.

    Quoted message said:

    Sheldon

    I have a car, pickup, motorcycle, snowmobile, 3-wheel ATV, two boats with
    outboard motors --nobody touches them but me (except when necessary and I
    tell them what I want done).

    It takes me 15 minutes to do an oil/filter change and I only use the best.
    While I am there I check everything underneath and maintain it so it stays
    healthy. $0.00 labor, no unecessary replacements.

    I can't figure how somebody can be meticulous about one thing (cooking) but
    settle for an $8.00/hour high-school kid maintaining something so important
    as a car. It would be like getting a McD's cashier to fix you a Cotelettes
    de Cailles d' Aumale.

    I don't buy it that today's cars are too complicated -- not with the
    internet around. I feel bad for you.
    --
    Lefty

    Life is for learning
    The worst I ever had was wonderful

    Quoted message said:
  13. Nancy Young said:


    My ex fil was an engineer and the whole family mindset was
    do it yourself. Not knocking it, my ex could fix stuff and that was
    great, but damn it took a lot of time. And you know something
    would go wrong necessitating trips to the store for a whatchamacallit.
    Before you knew it, Saturday was over.

    My father was an engineer and had been an aircraft mechanic in the air force
    before switching to aircrew. His father had been a jack of all trades.
    Almost every weekend and most evenings around the house were spent tinkering.
    He rebuilt gas motors, rewired electric motors, did his own masonry work,
    woodworking. He would never pay anyone to do anything that he could do
    himself. It wasn't just the money he saved. He liked doing it. That's what he
    did. It was his life. When I was a kid, the only thing he every paint a
    tradesman to do was plastering a ceiling.

    When I was a teenager he was transferred to a new plant and we moved into a
    new house. We arrived the day after the floors had been varnished. A room
    downstairs had been finished as a den. It became a bedroom. We had a day to
    settle in. Then he started to make it a home. He had carpet laid. He painted
    the living room, dining room, halls, hallway and stairs to basement. He
    papered the kitchen and two bathrooms. He panelled the hallway and rec room.
    Tiled the entire basement except the den that had been completed already, put
    up drywall in the rest of the basement to make a work shop and laundry room.
    By Christmas he had finished everything.

    My father in law was the complete opposite. He didn't even know how to change
    light bulbs. Seriously. When I first stared dating my wife we were there for a
    visit and he was about to call an electrician to change a light bulb in a
    ceiling fixture. I offered to fo it for him. Not complicated job.... loosed 3
    screws, remove the globe, remove the burned out bulb, replace it with a fresh
    bulb, put the globe back and tighten the screws. He insisted on paying me. He
    really would have called an electrician.

    Quoted message said:

    Now, I drive over to this place, not a chain, they change the oil,
    check the tire pressure, fill the windshield washer fluid, etc. etc. etc.,
    windshield wipers. Then, they a great carwash, you're in and out of
    there was a clean car inside and out. Under $30.

    The price in those places around here have crept up. Plus they give you the
    hard sell now. Recently I was told that everything was good to go but the car
    was "due for gas treatment". ??? I asked him what he meant, just to hear his
    explanation. Then I asked the price..... $34.95. My answer was no way I am
    paying $34.95 for a pint of isopropyl alcohol. The woman sitting next to me
    said "Good for you. They got me on that one."

    On my last oil change (last week) they told me it was all set but I needed
    windshield wiper blades, which they could replace to $15.99. No thanks. I
    stopped at Canadian Tire on the way home and got new wipers for $9.99. They
    took one minute each to replace.

  14. kilikini said:
    Nancy Young said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sheldon wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    > Oil Change instructions for Men:

    Quoted message said:

    So true. I experienced a similar scenario years ago in changing spark
    plug wires. Presented the situation to a habitual auto-tinkering friend
    who hemmed and hawed, then finally asked me "what else are you going to
    do with your time?"

    My ex fil was an engineer and the whole family mindset was
    do it yourself. Not knocking it, my ex could fix stuff and that was
    great, but damn it took a lot of time. And you know something
    would go wrong necessitating trips to the store for a whatchamacallit.
    Before you knew it, Saturday was over.

    Now, I drive over to this place, not a chain, they change the oil,
    check the tire pressure, fill the windshield washer fluid, etc. etc. etc.,
    windshield wipers. Then, they a great carwash, you're in and out of
    there was a clean car inside and out. Under $30.

    Only way to go.

    nancy

    We recently purchased a used 2001 Nissan Pathfinder and my husband doesn't
    have a clue as to how to work on it and doesn't have the proper tools -
    which is kind of nice. 30 minutes in a local place and we had the oil
    changed, oil filter changed and pretty much everything else you get done at
    your place. They advertised the service at $19.99, but when they opened the
    hood and saw the engine, they charged us about $32, I think. They said
    they'd only seen 1 other engine this complicated before. What's with
    Pathfinders?

    I can't imagine changing oil has a whit to do with the complicatedness
    of the engine... oil drains from underneath and oil fills are always
    readily accessible from the top... sometimes the oil filter is in a
    tight spot but only if trying to get at it from above, from underneath
    they are all easy to change. The only reason to charge more would be
    if your particular model requires a greater quantiy of oil than is
    usually advertised, ie. typically 5 quarts. I always pay about $10
    extra for oil changes because my Landcruiser takes 8 quarts. I don't
    think that under any circumstances it makes sense to change automobile
    oil oneself. But I do change oil myself on my tractors, the drain is
    right out in the open and high up, nothng to crawl/reach under...
    filling is at a big spout at the top. But I would still have the
    tractor's oil changed at the shop but more than a mile is a bit much to
    drive a tractor over paved roads (too much risk of a punctured tire, my
    tractor tires cost nearly $800 each), would take too long to make the 8
    mile round trip from where I live (tractors travel no more than about 5
    mph), and would cost me nearly as much in diesel fuel as the oil
    change. Plus I'd need to wait a few days for the tractor place to get
    to it so I'd need a ride home and I'd be without my machines for too
    long.... if they pick up and deliver it's by flat bed, a $40 fee. I
    lube the tractors myself, but my car is always done at a service
    station, runs me under $30 these days and it's an in and out while I
    wait, maybe 30 minutes.... hardly pays to get my hands dirty and I hate
    having to slither under a jacked up car, plus even with heavy jack
    stands it's always dangerous. Yes, Jiffy Lube and ilk is the only way
    to go.

    Sheldon

  15. Lefty said:
    Quoted message said:

    3) 15 minutes later, write a check and leave with a properly maintained
    vehicle.

    .....and hope the $8.00/hr "mechanic" that's working on your $35K car
    doesn't screw it up so that you drive 20 mils and break down. Then since you
    know nothing about cars, you can't prove they did it and it cost you $2800
    for a new engine (assembly required).

    Quoted message said:


    Money spent:
    Oil Change $20.00
    Coffee $1.00
    Total $21.00

    But then they say you need a new fan belt, air filter, door hinge grease,
    shock absorbers, struts, antifreeze, add tail-light fluid, bumper tinting,
    brake pad flossing,......(the kids can get a commission on extras they
    sell.)

    Money spent: $950 -- Oh, did you want oil too? And a filter? We only use the
    very minimum quality we can find so we save you even more money.

    Quoted message said:

    Money spent:

    Parts $50.00
    DUI $2500.00
    mpound fee $75.00
    Bail $1500.00
    Beer $40.00
    Total - - $4,165.00

    But you know the job was done right!

    You do? I had a brake job done by one of those teenaged "mechanics" once.


    He lost the correct washer (with a tab to prevent it spinning) so he put in
    a regular round washer. A few hundred miles and another city later I had to
    replace the whole brake assembly, tire, bearings.

    I have a car, pickup, motorcycle, snowmobile, 3-wheel ATV, two boats with
    outboard motors --nobody touches them but me (except when necessary and I
    tell them what I want done).

    It takes me 15 minutes to do an oil/filter change and I only use the best.
    While I am there I check everything underneath and maintain it so it stays
    healthy. $0.00 labor, no unecessary replacements.

    I can't figure how somebody can be meticulous about one thing (cooking) but
    settle for an $8.00/hour high-school kid maintaining something so important
    as a car. It would be like getting a McD's cashier to fix you a Cotelettes
    de Cailles d' Aumale.

    I don't buy it that today's cars are too complicated -- not with the
    internet around. I feel bad for you.
    --
    Lefty

    You just enjoy working on motors, I can understand that. But in over
    50 years of owning automobiles I never had any of what you describe
    occur. These days there isn't very much one can do on a car oneself
    anyway, not without a lot of fancy tools and the proper computer, can't
    even change brakes without resetting the brake sensor by computer
    (yeah, just leave the wires hang). And even though the law provides
    for the warranty remaining in force when maintenance is done other than
    at a certified dealership when you can provide proof, odds are a few
    oil receipts from Walmart just won't do it.... you'll have a big fight
    on your hands and probably lose. And regardless who changes the oil,
    even yourself, you still need to check fluid levels periodically.
    Whenever I have an oil change I check the level before driving off,
    that's really all anyone needs to do, that's a must... and I check
    fluid levels often, with every fill up. But I don't enjoy playing
    grease monkey. And I really don't believe you can do a complete
    oil/filter change properly in 15 minutes (you're full of [censored]), I bet
    it takes you more than an hour start to finish... you dump the spent
    oil in your yard, right. My experience is people who do their own auto
    maintenence live like pigs, crappy old auto parts and greasy filth
    everywhere, useless old vehicals strewn about and/or up on blocks...
    trailer trash.

    Sheldon

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I can't imagine changing oil has a whit to do with the complicatedness
    of the engine... oil drains from underneath and oil fills are always
    readily accessible from the top...


    Except with the AUDI A2. The bonnet/hood cannot be opened.
    It si supposedly sealed for the life of the car under normal
    circumstance.

    Only a dealer can open it without voiding any warrenty.
    --
    Carl Robson
    Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
    Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

  17. "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    it takes you more than an hour start to finish... you dump the spent
    oil in your yard, right.

    You know, I'd forgotten about that, getting rid of the old
    oil. Yuck, who needs that hassle. And, despite all its little
    ticks, I don't drive a new car because my 15 year old,
    160,000 mile car runs like a top. Knock wood, I'll get
    another year or so out of it, and I've only ever had the oil
    changed by the lube place.

    Speaking to what Dave said about the hard sell, I know just
    what he means. I used to go to this other place, every damned
    time, you need a new air filter. Whatever. Took to just dropping
    off the car, going shopping, coming back to get it so they had no
    opportunity to jerk me around.

    When this car wash started doing lubes, I happily started taking my
    car there. One day the guy running the shop was from the old place.
    Got the car done, I was paying, I said, weren't you over at the other
    shop? Yes, I couldn't take it any more, the owners were greedy,
    they made us sell extras to the customers all the time.

    One time the new place said, we noticed you need (I hope I didn't
    make a face like what I was thinking) ... windshield wipers. Oh!
    I did. Please replace them, thanks. They've never bugged me other
    than that one time. And, I've had bad luck at changing wipers, I am
    not good at it.

    nancy (I really think it is going to be pizza tonight, I have
    no inspiration to cook today)

  18. Quoted message said:

    nancy (I really think it is going to be pizza tonight, I have
    no inspiration to cook today)

    I've got news for you, Nancy; pizza IS cooking. Unless you're ordering out.
    Dee Dee

  19. "Dee Randall" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    nancy (I really think it is going to be pizza tonight, I have
    no inspiration to cook today)

    I've got news for you, Nancy; pizza IS cooking. Unless you're ordering
    out.

    Yup, I've had a hankering for a pizza from the local place,
    with sausage and peppers. Ordering out.

    Unless something strikes me to make for dinner.

    nancy

  20. Nancy Young said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    it takes you more than an hour start to finish... you dump the spent
    oil in your yard, right.

    You know, I'd forgotten about that, getting rid of the old
    oil. Yuck, who needs that hassle. And, despite all its little
    ticks, I don't drive a new car because my 15 year old,
    160,000 mile car runs like a top. Knock wood, I'll get
    another year or so out of it, and I've only ever had the oil
    changed by the lube place.

    Speaking to what Dave said about the hard sell, I know just
    what he means. I used to go to this other place, every damned
    time, you need a new air filter. Whatever. Took to just dropping
    off the car, going shopping, coming back to get it so they had no
    opportunity to jerk me around.

    When this car wash started doing lubes, I happily started taking my
    car there. One day the guy running the shop was from the old place.
    Got the car done, I was paying, I said, weren't you over at the other
    shop? Yes, I couldn't take it any more, the owners were greedy,
    they made us sell extras to the customers all the time.

    One time the new place said, we noticed you need (I hope I didn't
    make a face like what I was thinking) ... windshield wipers. Oh!
    I did. Please replace them, thanks. They've never bugged me other
    than that one time. And, I've had bad luck at changing wipers, I am
    not good at it.

    nancy (I really think it is going to be pizza tonight, I have
    no inspiration to cook today)

    No matter what one shops for they always try to sell you more... just
    smile and say you'll think about it... every time I ever bought an ice
    cream cone as a kid they always tried to sell me sprinkles, 2¢! Nope,
    2¢ bought a big soft pretzel.

    Sheldon Shops

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