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  1. "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    'Zactly. I'm a stainless fan too, and I hate divided sinks, I like em
    as big and deep as possible. And just as important if not moreso is
    the faucet... typically the faucet can cost as much or more than the
    sink. I bought a small American Standard pedestal sink for a half
    bath, cost like $150, the Kohler single lever faucet cost nearly twice
    that. The plumber cost as much as the fixtures... there was no sink
    there before so of course was a lot more involved than just a swap.

    Heh, and try, just try, getting a plumber in just to replace
    a faucet. That was a huge hassle. When I replaced the kitchen,
    obviously I got a new sink and an expensive faucet. Really good
    looking, just what I was going for. Well. Miss Fancy Pants learned a
    lesson, don't buy a single hole faucet. Okay, long long story as Boli
    can attest, got a new faucet to replace the expensive new faucet
    and called everywhere, they do not want to come out for such a small
    job.

    And, no, it wasn't a do it yourself job unless you are quite handy.
    Guy had to run out to his truck for some part because what came
    with the 'new' replacement for the fancy faucet.

    nancy.

  2. "Nexis" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I can't speak for this specific sink, but I can say I had a black sink
    once and will never have one again. I found I was constantly wiping at it,
    because it always looked dirty, even when I knew it wasn't.

    The house my inlaws moved into had a beautiful black
    sink, but we had to confiscate and refuse to let her buy
    new Comet to use on it. Didn't take her long at all to start
    marring the finish. Was noticible on the black.

    nancy (still gets the willies just thinking about using comet
    to clean the bathtub as a kid)

  3. "Peter Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Doug Kanter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "elaine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I have to buy a new sink. I'm debating the following black sink (Blanco
    Kitchen Sink Anthracite Silgranit) and wondering if anyone in thhs group
    has one; and if so is it hard to clean; e.g. what if I splashed bleach on
    it by mistake. Would it stain?

    Thanks.

    E.

    Stainless steel, and get a good one, not the $59 pieces of [censored] you find
    in some of the big home stores. Other materials are gimmicks. Stainless
    is made to actually be used, and you can clean with anything you want &
    it'll be happy.

    I agree. A sink is a functional item, not a decorative item. You pay a lot
    for a good SS sink but it will last forever and take anything you can dish
    out.

    They even withstand teenagers.

  4. "ntantiques" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    elaine said:

    I have to buy a new sink. I'm debating the following black sink (Blanco
    Kitchen Sink Anthracite Silgranit) and wondering if anyone in thhs group
    has
    one; and if so is it hard to clean; e.g. what if I splashed bleach on it
    by
    mistake. Would it stain?

    Thanks.

    E.

    I'll kick in another vote for a high quality stainless steel sink - the
    largest and deepest you can afford. Had one in our old house and miss
    it. Our new home came with a great big, 10 year old, high/low double,
    top mounted Kohler white kitchen sink & I can't wait to replace it with
    an under the counter mounted stainless sink when we redo the counters
    next year.
    Nancy T

    Well stainless steel it is. I'm so glad I asked for opinions.

    Fortunately; I've got friends to install both the sink and the counter -
    that arrives tomorrow. I'm in no particular rush which is good since my
    friends might not be available for a couple of weeks or so. I have to
    choose tiling for backsplash and then last but not least the flooring.
    Think I'll go with terra cotta tiling. Would love to get a new gas stove,
    but I'm afraid I'll be broke by then!

    E.

  5. elaine said:


    Well stainless steel it is. I'm so glad I asked for opinions.

    You did not ask but...If your faucet is a decent one don't be concerned
    that it is not quite matching the sink. I personally hate to go in a
    kitchen after a recent upgrade and everything is of the same
    manufacturer. Some manufacturers make better ovens and some make better
    stoves and some make better refrigerators. I do appreciate a kitchen that
    is functional and one in which the owner/chef/cook has choosen quality
    appliances that work for them..regardless of the match. I hope it turns
    out they YOU want it.

    15% tax .. ouch!..and I thought they were taxing my something to eat away
    here(US)!

  6. Nancy Young said:

    Heh, and try, just try, getting a plumber in just to replace
    a faucet. That was a huge hassle. When I replaced the kitchen,
    obviously I got a new sink and an expensive faucet. Really good
    looking, just what I was going for. Well. Miss Fancy Pants learned a
    lesson, don't buy a single hole faucet. Okay, long long story as Boli
    can attest, got a new faucet to replace the expensive new faucet
    and called everywhere, they do not want to come out for such a small
    job.

    And, no, it wasn't a do it yourself job unless you are quite handy.
    Guy had to run out to his truck for some part because what came
    with the 'new' replacement for the fancy faucet.

    Nothing is as easy as it first appears. Several years ago I decided to
    replace the faucet in my kitchen sink rather than just replace the cartridge
    in it. Seemed like a simple job. But the old faucet was so corroded that I
    couldn't remove the retaining nuts from underneath. I ended up sawing the
    faucet off on the one side by slipping a hacksaw blade between the sink and
    faucet.

    But that was only the beginning of the problem I created. I finished the
    kitchen sink faucet replacement without any more trouble. But on turning the
    main water valve for the house back on, the rush of water through the pipes
    started a miniscule leak in a pipe two floors above the kitchen. It was a
    bad solder joint from the original house construction 30+ years before that
    had sealed itself up through corrosion. There were traces of that prior leak
    visible on the intervening floor which I later discovered. The leak was in a
    wall between two bathrooms, tiled on both sides. I had to remove the
    bathroom vanity sink, remove the tile from the wall, and cut into it for
    access to the pipes. In addition to opening this wall up, I had cut two
    other holes through the wall of the intermediate floor trying to find the
    source of the leak. All told, quite an adventure that all started with a
    dripping kitchen faucet.

    --
    ( #wff_ng_7# at #verizon# period #net# )

  7. "wff_ng_7" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    All told, quite an adventure that all started with a dripping kitchen
    faucet.

    Sometimes in this newsgroup, someone realistic (like you) will mention that
    all 2 hour project actually take between 8 hours and 2 weeks. Then, someone
    comes along and says "If you weren't so friggin incompetent blah blah
    blah..." Your story illustrates why those "someones" should be thrown in a
    pit with rabid coyotes. :-)

    I'm about to tackle a new shower faucet, which is theoretically
    straightforward. Pass the Valium!

  8. "wff_ng_7" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And, no, it wasn't a do it yourself job unless you are quite handy.
    Guy had to run out to his truck for some part because what came
    with the 'new' replacement for the fancy faucet.

    Nothing is as easy as it first appears. Several years ago I decided to
    replace the faucet in my kitchen sink rather than just replace the
    cartridge in it. Seemed like a simple job. But the old faucet was so
    corroded that I couldn't remove the retaining nuts from underneath. I
    ended up sawing the faucet off on the one side by slipping a hacksaw blade
    between the sink and faucet.

    I feel your pain and I know *exactly* what you're talking
    about. Nothing is ever easy, not the smallest little job. I
    don't play anymore. My motto is, who do you call.

    nancy

  9. Doug Kanter wrote on 28 Feb 2006 in rec.food.cooking

    Quoted message said:

    "wff_ng_7" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:c80Nf.15927$fU6.13499@trnddc08...

    Quoted message said:

    All told, quite an adventure that all started with a dripping
    kitchen faucet.

    Sometimes in this newsgroup, someone realistic (like you) will mention
    that all 2 hour project actually take between 8 hours and 2 weeks.
    Then, someone comes along and says "If you weren't so friggin
    incompetent blah blah blah..." Your story illustrates why those
    "someones" should be thrown in a pit with rabid coyotes. :-)

    I'm about to tackle a new shower faucet, which is theoretically
    straightforward. Pass the Valium!

    I just swapped out the bathroom tap...Only took 5 trips to the hardware
    store and 6 hrs.The 52.00 tap ended up costing 122.79 with all the extra
    crud I need to buy.

    --
    -Alan

  10. Doug Kanter said:

    "wff_ng_7" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:c80Nf.15927$fU6.13499@trnddc08...

    Quoted message said:

    All told, quite an adventure that all started with a dripping kitchen
    faucet.

    Sometimes in this newsgroup, someone realistic (like you) will mention that
    all 2 hour project actually take between 8 hours and 2 weeks. Then, someone
    comes along and says "If you weren't so friggin incompetent blah blah
    blah..." Your story illustrates why those "someones" should be thrown in a
    pit with rabid coyotes. :-)

    I'm about to tackle a new shower faucet, which is theoretically
    straightforward. Pass the Valium!

    It's called a "Shower Set", and unless you have a well stocked
    plumber's truck sitting in your driveway, and possess pretty good
    carpentry/sheetrocking/tiling skills I wouldn't tackle that job myself.
    If you're very lucky you'll have access from the back side, like from
    inside a closet... if not don't even consider doing the job yourself,
    not unless you're willing to risk having to redo your entire bath area.
    And if you're going to change the shower set then go for a high
    quality single lever model, one with a high temperature limit setting
    (you'll love it). With plumbing products especially, the higher the
    quality the easier the install, and the more likely it'll outlast you.
    Never look to save money on faucets, cheap is expensive. Good luck.

  11. wff_ng_7 said:
    Quoted message said:


    Nothing is as easy as it first appears. Several years ago I decided to
    replace the faucet in my kitchen sink rather than just replace the cartridge
    in it. Seemed like a simple job. But the old faucet was so corroded that I
    couldn't remove the retaining nuts from underneath. I ended up sawing the
    faucet off on the one side by slipping a hacksaw blade between the sink and
    faucet.

    A plumber would have removed the entire sink, swapped the faucet out in
    the open, and then replaced the sink (probably swapped the waste line
    too, odds are if the faucet rotted so did the waste line plumbing)...
    would have taken one tenth the time and effort, and resulted in a
    better job... also by the time a faucet needs replacement so does the
    putty between the sink and the counter, likely a new gasket at the
    strainer too, probably a new strainer.... and that's the time to
    consider an entirely new sink. It's like how folks know they need a
    new roof but after every rain they're up there with the tar bucket.

  12. "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Doug Kanter said:

    "wff_ng_7" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:c80Nf.15927$fU6.13499@trnddc08...

    Quoted message said:

    All told, quite an adventure that all started with a dripping kitchen
    faucet.

    Sometimes in this newsgroup, someone realistic (like you) will mention
    that
    all 2 hour project actually take between 8 hours and 2 weeks. Then,
    someone
    comes along and says "If you weren't so friggin incompetent blah blah
    blah..." Your story illustrates why those "someones" should be thrown in
    a
    pit with rabid coyotes. :-)

    I'm about to tackle a new shower faucet, which is theoretically
    straightforward. Pass the Valium!

    It's called a "Shower Set", and unless you have a well stocked
    plumber's truck sitting in your driveway, and possess pretty good
    carpentry/sheetrocking/tiling skills I wouldn't tackle that job myself.
    If you're very lucky you'll have access from the back side, like from
    inside a closet... if not don't even consider doing the job yourself,
    not unless you're willing to risk having to redo your entire bath area.

    I've got full access in a closet behind the wall, fortunately. Ceiling to
    floor removable panel, and 1 foot wider than the plumbing on either side.
    First floor bathroom, and the wall it totally open to the cellar below. I'm
    gonna stick a big trash can underneath for a couple of weeks, in case my
    soldering's not up to par.

    Quoted message said:

    And if you're going to change the shower set then go for a high
    quality single lever model, one with a high temperature limit setting
    (you'll love it). With plumbing products especially, the higher the
    quality the easier the install, and the more likely it'll outlast you.
    Never look to save money on faucets, cheap is expensive. Good luck.

    The Moen's on order!

  13. Sheldon said:

    A plumber would have removed the entire sink, swapped the faucet out in
    the open, and then replaced the sink (probably swapped the waste line
    too, odds are if the faucet rotted so did the waste line plumbing)...
    would have taken one tenth the time and effort, and resulted in a
    better job... also by the time a faucet needs replacement so does the
    putty between the sink and the counter, likely a new gasket at the
    strainer too, probably a new strainer.... and that's the time to
    consider an entirely new sink. It's like how folks know they need a
    new roof but after every rain they're up there with the tar bucket.

    I know what you are talking about, but it's hard to know when to stop. Maybe
    one would just be better off moving to a new house. One of my brothers is of
    that school. He has rarely bought a house over 5 years old because he
    doesn't want to deal with the maintenance issues of an older house. He has
    also never lived in one place for as much as 5 years.

    As it turns out, the sink is still very well sealed to the countertop (10
    years after that event). I suspect one would not be able to separate the two
    without destroying one or the other. I do need new countertops, but strickly
    from an appearance standpoint. They are old fashioned white plastic
    laminate. They have the accumulated scratches of three decades use, but no
    chips, no separations, and no disintegration of the underlying wood.

    At the other end of the sink, there is a garbage disposal that is of the
    same vintage as the kitchen as a whole, 33 years old. Still works fine for
    me. Makes it a bit harder to just take the sink out with that hanging below
    it. I did have the drain trap corrode through on the sink a couple of years
    after the faucet replacement, but that for a change was an extremely simple
    job, with only one trip to the hardware store for the trap itself.

    --
    ( #wff_ng_7# at #verizon# period #net# )

  14. wff_ng_7 said:
    Sheldon said:

    A plumber would have removed the entire sink, swapped the faucet out in
    the open, and then replaced the sink (probably swapped the waste line
    too, odds are if the faucet rotted so did the waste line plumbing)...
    would have taken one tenth the time and effort, and resulted in a
    better job... also by the time a faucet needs replacement so does the
    putty between the sink and the counter, likely a new gasket at the
    strainer too, probably a new strainer.... and that's the time to
    consider an entirely new sink. It's like how folks know they need a
    new roof but after every rain they're up there with the tar bucket.

    I know what you are talking about, but it's hard to know when to stop. Maybe
    one would just be better off moving to a new house. One of my brothers is of
    that school. He has rarely bought a house over 5 years old because he
    doesn't want to deal with the maintenance issues of an older house. He has
    also never lived in one place for as much as 5 years.

    As it turns out, the sink is still very well sealed to the countertop (10
    years after that event). I suspect one would not be able to separate the two
    without destroying one or the other. I do need new countertops, but strickly
    from an appearance standpoint. They are old fashioned white plastic
    laminate. They have the accumulated scratches of three decades use, but no
    chips, no separations, and no disintegration of the underlying wood.

    At the other end of the sink, there is a garbage disposal that is of the
    same vintage as the kitchen as a whole, 33 years old. Still works fine for
    me. Makes it a bit harder to just take the sink out with that hanging below
    it. I did have the drain trap corrode through on the sink a couple of years
    after the faucet replacement, but that for a change was an extremely simple
    job, with only one trip to the hardware store for the trap itself.

    Tell your brother that the vast majority of new house construction is
    [censored]... they are often big, big [censored]. Older houses are built much
    better, and the cosmetic things like sinks and counters are not any big
    deal to replace, easier than new window treatments.

  15. Sheldon said:

    Tell your brother that the vast majority of new house construction is
    [censored]... they are often big, big [censored]. Older houses are built much
    better, and the cosmetic things like sinks and counters are not any big
    deal to replace, easier than new window treatments.

    I've told him that for years, but he doesn't hear it.

    I bought a new house once, and will never do that again. That was back in
    1982. It had a whole host of problems, some very major, almost none
    rectified properly by the builder. It was covered by a warranty... by Home
    Owners Warranty Corporation, who went bankrupt. No relief there.

    I learned one is better off buying an older house in good condition and
    dealing with whatever problems it has. It avoids a whole cycle of taking
    your complaints to the builder, having him ignore them, or promise to fix
    them and then ignore them, and in the end fixing the problems yourself. It's
    just a lot easier on the psyche to know you are responsible for fixing the
    problems and not dealing with all the endless cycles of [censored] with the
    builder.

    Then there are all of the issues of quality of materials and construction.
    Both houses I've owned are similar in type, size, and construction... from
    the surface. But what a difference underneath. Both are townhouses. My
    current house was built in 1963. It is of brick and block construction, with
    block firewalls between the houses. The joists are all real wood, the
    subfloors solid wood planks, the floors hardwood. The newer 1982 house was
    frame construction with brick veneer. The floors were wood trusses, the
    subfloor plywood, the flooring carpet. At least the firewalls between the
    houses were still block back in 1982. Even the firewalls on newer
    construction are frame now, with fire resistant drywall on top. And newer
    houses have countless other experiments lurking in their walls, too numerous
    to mention.

    Although I was willing to go back to a 30 year old house when I bought it
    (1993), I was not willing to go much older than post World War II
    construction. Things like electrical and plumbing systems start to get too
    old to service easily, their parts are not commonly stocked, and total
    replacements might be in order. My father was in the building business, and
    he trained us quite thoroughly in the then current building technologies and
    systems... in the 1960s. I'm quite comfortable working with that vintage
    house.

    --
    ( #wff_ng_7# at #verizon# period #net# )

  16. elaine said:

    Think I'll go with terra cotta tiling.

    Terra cotta? That's unglazed tile to me. You'll be sorry.
    --

    Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.

  17. elaine said:

    Think I'll go with terra cotta tiling.

    Terra cotta? That means unglazed to me. You'll be sorry!
    --

    Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.

  18. On Tue 28 Feb 2006 11:28:28p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it sf?

    Quoted message said:
    elaine said:

    Think I'll go with terra cotta tiling.

    Terra cotta? That's unglazed tile to me. You'll be sorry.

    They come both glazed and unglazed, as to saltillo tile. Even the unglazed
    can be quite serviceable if properly sealed, then waxed with a hard, buffed
    wax.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright o¿o
    ____________________

    BIOYA

  19. "sf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    elaine said:

    Think I'll go with terra cotta tiling.

    Terra cotta? That means unglazed to me. You'll be sorry!
    --

    Originally it was going to be lino. But I was told that I'd need a sub
    floor. I'm no expert, but I believe that would have cost me more money.
    Also, I have quite a large area to cover.

    I'll keep y'all posted. And hey, I may even feel brave enough to post a
    pic!

    Elaine

  20. elaine said:

    I have to buy a new sink. I'm debating the following black sink (Blanco
    Kitchen Sink Anthracite Silgranit) and wondering if anyone in thhs group has
    one; and if so is it hard to clean; e.g. what if I splashed bleach on it by
    mistake. Would it stain?

    Thanks.

    E.


    I must say I wouldn't want a black sink. But that's just MHO. But I
    would suggest a good quality stainless steel sink - they're tough and
    easy to keep clean.

    --
    Cheers
    Cathy(xyz)

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