Silva sighting compass

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:24:32 +0100, Adrian Godwin
<[email hidden]> uttered:

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Gordon said:

Dominic Sexton <[email hidden]> wrote

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Quite so. A better system still would be alter NONE of your clocks.

Could do wonders for traffic too, lot's of people having staggered
start and finishing times...

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Dewi,

(remove spin for email)

Dominic Sexton said:

It seems that they have indeed use the same baseplate for the 54 and
the 4.

http://www.silva.se/orienteering/produkter/com_exp54.htm
http://www.silva.se/outdoor/products/comp_exp4.htm

On the baseplate in the type 4 you can see TYPE 4/54 near the lanyard
hole. Makes sense but perhaps a little confusing sometimes...

Neither look like mine, I've obviously got a much older model.

Paul
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Paul Saunders said:

Neither look like mine, I've obviously got a much older model.

Mine definitely describes itself as a 54 (I got it after Peter Cliff's
"Mountain Navigation" specifically pointed the 54 out as being Jolly
Good and I needed a new compass anyway), but is different to the ones
pictured. Mine doesn't have an actual arrow on it either. So I guess
mine is old, and yours is very old!

Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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from Gordon <[email hidden]> contains these words:

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I agree. Apparently the Scots were the ones to dig their heels in and
disagree with the safety findings, but a later survey proved that to
retain BST the whole year would make 0.7% reduction in accidents to
children. It doesn't sound much, but it contradicted the instinctive
opinions.

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The discussion (radio 4) went on to say that since Scotland now enjoys
devolution, why don't we devolve from them and do our own thing.
They can please themselves whether they follow suit. :-)

We can't, because the Scottish Mafia who run British Politics wouldn't
like it.

That is why they are so keen on having at least one rural assembly. Only
one is needed to completely scupper any chance of an English parliament.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 69 summits
New - 47 (Marilyns 13, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 35)
Repeats - 22( Marilyns 7, Sweats 16, Wainwrights 16)

Gordon said:

It used to irritate me that I had to keep my Amateur Radio log book in
GMT at all times, so I had one desk clock which I never altered.
It kept me sane. I think.

I keep my digital camera clocks on GMT (it would be better to call it
UTC) to coincide with the GPS track-log time-stamps. That way I can
tell where I was when a picture was taken.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Adrian Godwin said:

There's a much simpler option : send children to school
earlier in the winter. This is, of course what we're doing
anyway, but we're doing it by relabelling the hours, which
is absurd.

You do realise it's still struggling to get light by 9am (GMT) in Scotland
in December as it is ? Going home in the dark is much less depressing than
waking up in the dark, setting off for school/work in the dark, getting
there in the dark and (if your wish was granted) having "elevenses" or first
break in the bloody dark too !

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Similarly, if a businessman wants his working day to coincide
with his colleagues in a French office, then let him work
hours that match theirs : don't put the rest of us on double
summer time.

Exactly right. The world's major economy manages to cope with 4 main time
zones just fine. And cultural differences mean that time synchronisation
doesn't mean the same as working-hours synchronisation anyway. Ever tried
to contact anyone in "Mediterranean" countries between 12 and 3 ?

--
Drive no faster than your guardian angel can fly.

Mail john rather than nospam...

Phil Cook <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Gordon said:

It used to irritate me that I had to keep my Amateur Radio log book in
GMT at all times, so I had one desk clock which I never altered.
It kept me sane. I think.

I keep my digital camera clocks on GMT (it would be better to call it
UTC) to coincide with the GPS track-log time-stamps. That way I can
tell where I was when a picture was taken.

I didn't realise that you were so cunning.
--
Gordon

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:48:38 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (Chris

Malcolm) said:

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Many people are slow readers, but telepathic properties are much more
unusual. How come you know how much electronic equipment Dave has?
:-)

Not necessary. All I had to do was to imagine a maximum rate of annual
electronic equipment purchase nobody was likely to exceed, and
consider if there would be enough time to read all the manuals before
the next year's lot arrived.

I came to the conclusion "only if a very slow reader". No telepathy
needed. The only person likely to be an exception to this
generalisation is of course nobody. Very handy sort of chap.

Fair enough 🙂

Best wishes,
--
Peewiglet

Peter Clinch said:

Mine definitely describes itself as a 54 (I got it after Peter Cliff's
"Mountain Navigation" specifically pointed the 54 out as being Jolly
Good

Great book, and almost certainly why I bought that model too, although
I'd forgotten he mentioned it. Perhaps I need to re-read it!

Best wishes,
--
Peewiglet

Paul Saunders said:

You don't even have to bother with routes, just put a few useful
waypoints into it, then tell it to GOTO whichever waypoint you want,
then just follow the arrow. Easy peasy.

Thanks for this - I'd not realised they were so simple to use.

Presumably by using it in that way it should be possible to avoid a
repetition of the unfortunate incident that took place earlier this
year, when, after experiencing nil visibilitly on top of Fairfield
when attempting to run round the Fairfield Horseshoe, I accidentally
descended almost all the way to Patterdale, rather than finding the
loop back down to Ambleside 🙂 It was on that same, sad occasion
that I slipped and smashed my compass, after having had to make my way
all the way back along the ridge to Cofa Pike in order to dip down to
Grisedale Tarn, and then Ambleside via Grasmere. Oops....!

I did go on a map-reading weekend after that, to brush up a bit, but
it didn't help much. I'm fairly sure that an arrow pointing to a
waypoint would be more likely to get me there...

Best wishes,
--
Peewiglet

Gordon said:

Because he is omnipotent. :-)

Wouldn't that rather be omniscient?

Jim

Jim Cheney <[email hidden]> wrote

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Gordon said:

Because he is omnipotent. :-)

Wouldn't that rather be omniscient?

Oh - that too!
--
Gordon

Phil Cook said:

I keep my digital camera clocks on GMT (it would be better to call it
UTC) to coincide with the GPS track-log time-stamps. That way I can
tell where I was when a picture was taken.

Good idea Phil. Unfortunately I think the latest GPS models record BST,
and they work it out automatically! (why don't cameras?)

Paul
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http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

Paul Saunders said:

Phil Cook said:

I keep my digital camera clocks on GMT (it would be better to call it
UTC) to coincide with the GPS track-log time-stamps. That way I can
tell where I was when a picture was taken.

Good idea Phil. Unfortunately I think the latest GPS models record BST,
and they work it out automatically! (why don't cameras?)

Actually I've just checked my ancient GPS and if the offset is set to
+1 (as it is now) it records UTC+1 in the time-stamps. So my carefully
hatched plan is a little kaput. :-(

Still, it alows me to figure out what the hills are in the background
of this shot I took on last Thursday.

http://www.p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk/temp/PICT0104.jpg (a bit big 180k)

Looking from the Doctor's Gate path down Shelf Brook towards Shire
Hill (Glossop is hidden behind it) with Harrop Edge and
Hollingworthhall Moor on the right. Between that and Shire Hill is
Hilltop, Higher Dinting. Since you can see Manchesteron the left in
the distance it must be about to rain.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Phil Cook said:

Actually I've just checked my ancient GPS and if the offset is set to
+1 (as it is now) it records UTC+1 in the time-stamps. So my carefully
hatched plan is a little kaput. :-(

Still, it alows me to figure out what the hills are in the background
of this shot I took on last Thursday.

http://www.p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk/temp/PICT0104.jpg (a bit big 180k)

Excellent shot Phil, that's my new desktop! (well one of them anyway)
I've been getting more and more interested in overcast, low saturation
shots lately, oversaturated sunny day pics are too common IMO, but
decent shots in dull light are hard to come by, especially with well
exposed moody skies. Looks like you're getting the hang of using the
wide dynamic range in digital shots Phil, a bit of tweaking in PS no
doubt.

Quoted message said:

Looking from the Doctor's Gate path down Shelf Brook towards Shire
Hill (Glossop is hidden behind it) with Harrop Edge and
Hollingworthhall Moor on the right. Between that and Shire Hill is
Hilltop, Higher Dinting. Since you can see Manchesteron the left in
the distance it must be about to rain.

You can tell all that from the GPS timestamp? Amazing!

Paul
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http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

Paul Saunders said:

Phil Cook wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk/temp/PICT0104.jpg (a bit big 180k)

Excellent shot Phil, that's my new desktop!

It's my brother's too.

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Looks like you're getting the hang of using the
wide dynamic range in digital shots Phil, a bit of tweaking in PS no
doubt.

Oh yes.

Here's the original (at a smaller size)
http://www.p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk/temp/orig0104.jpg

IIRC After a fairly standard RAW conversion I used levels on the sky
(using a quickmask) to make it more moody then applied a contrast mask
(about 60% blur radius 72 pix on the 8Mpix original) then flattened
the layers and boosted overall contrast a little.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Looking from the Doctor's Gate path down Shelf Brook towards Shire
Hill (Glossop is hidden behind it) with Harrop Edge and
Hollingworthhall Moor on the right. Between that and Shire Hill is
Hilltop, Higher Dinting. Since you can see Manchester on the left in
the distance it must be about to rain.

You can tell all that from the GPS timestamp? Amazing!

Knowing exactly where it was taken and looknig at the map in Ozi using
the line tool actually.

Plundering the EXIF tags reveals

1/80s at F7.1 (anti-shake on)
35mm equivalent focal length 143mm
Auto White Ballance (I may have tweaked in RAW conversion, can't
remember if I did or not)
focus distance infinity (I used the flex focus mode that alows me to
tell the KMinolta A2 what to focus on)
time 13.55 GMT
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Phil Cook <[email hidden]> wrote

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Still, it alows me to figure out what the hills are in the background
of this shot I took on last Thursday.

http://www.p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk/temp/PICT0104.jpg (a bit big 180k)

Looking from the Doctor's Gate path down Shelf Brook towards Shire
Hill (Glossop is hidden behind it) with Harrop Edge and
Hollingworthhall Moor on the right.

We were up there having a stroll around a couple of weeks ago.
I have one planned from Mill Brook Visitor centre (Stalybridge) over
Hollingworthall Moor some time soon.

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Between that and Shire Hill is
Hilltop, Higher Dinting. Since you can see Manchesteron the left in
the distance it must be about to rain.

Hmmph! If you can't see Manchester it's raining.
--
Gordon

Phil Cook <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Still, it alows me to figure out what the hills are in the background
of this shot I took on last Thursday.

http://www.p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk/temp/PICT0104.jpg (a bit big 180k)

Looking from the Doctor's Gate path down Shelf Brook towards Shire
Hill (Glossop is hidden behind it) with Harrop Edge and
Hollingworthhall Moor on the right. Between that and Shire Hill is
Hilltop, Higher Dinting. Since you can see Manchesteron the left in
the distance it must be about to rain.

Could that be Mottram Church on the penultimate skyline, slightly left
of centre?
You are encroaching on my territory!
--
Gordon

Gordon said:

Phil Cook <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk/temp/PICT0104.jpg (a bit big 180k)

Since you can see Manchesteron the left in
the distance it must be about to rain.

Hmmph! If you can't see Manchester it's raining.

Egggsackerly!
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Gordon said:

Phil Cook <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk/temp/PICT0104.jpg (a bit big 180k)

Quoted message said:

Could that be Mottram Church on the penultimate skyline, slightly left
of centre?

Ummm

SJ 993954 or thereabouts. Yes

I am trying to figure out what the tower almost dead centre on the
same skyline is. My bro' and I reckon it is the CIS tower.

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You are encroaching on my territory!

Go a few km in the opposite direction and you are in my parents'
territory.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"