Shimano Compact Crankset

Yeah, I saw the same crank at the SF Gran Prix bike expo. Not a very
attractive crank, but I bet Shimano sells a ton of them.

In contrast, Campy's new 110bcd Centaur silver crank is very pretty and
with a "retail" price of $149, it should also sell very well too:

https://secure3.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/products.asp?CS=reparto&RowID=1299&Refresh=True&CategoryID=143&ShowReviews=&ShowQuestions=&OverrideJava=True

bfd said:

Yeah, I saw the same crank at the SF Gran Prix bike expo. Not a very
attractive crank, but I bet Shimano sells a ton of them.

In contrast, Campy's new 110bcd Centaur silver crank is very pretty
and with a "retail" price of $149, it should also sell very well too:

https://secure3.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/products.asp?CS=reparto&RowID=1299&Refresh=True&CategoryID=143&ShowReviews=&ShowQuestions=&OverrideJava=True

It sounds like Shimano's hoping that the Centaur will require a $140 bottom
bracket 😉

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C.H. Luu said:

I saw the prototype compact crankset, which Shimano is planning to
release in early January of 2006.

It looks similar to the Dura Ace crankset with the outter bearings.
The chainrings even mirrored the Dura Ace chainrings. In fact, you
could call it a baby versin of the Dura Ace crankset. The chainrings
made it look very chunky.

The representative said it would retail around $290.00.

Claude

Any photos yet?

Quoted message said:

Yeah, I saw the same crank at the SF Gran Prix bike expo. Not a very
attractive crank, but I bet Shimano sells a ton of them.

It's possible that Shimano may have blown it with their compact crank, in
two ways. First, it's quite late to the party. And second, they got the bugs
out of their high-end triples, such that both the DuraAce & Ultegra 52/39/30
combos work phenomenally well. There's really no downside, apart from a bit
of extra weight.

If Shimano really wanted to succeed with compact cranks (and, for that
matter, doubles in general), they'd get a clue and come out with a 12-29
10-spd cassette. C'mon, there's *10* cogs back there, it's not like giving
us a 29t is going to space them too far apart.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Would the current GS rear derailleurs in DA, Ultegra & 105 accomodate the
12-29 ? Shimano says they only go to 27 as the largest cog, though the Chain
Wrap Capacity of the Shimano GS derailleurs at 37 should easily accomodate a
12-29 if a 50/34 is up front. Makes a lot of sense to me.

Rick

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Quoted message said:

Yeah, I saw the same crank at the SF Gran Prix bike expo. Not a very
attractive crank, but I bet Shimano sells a ton of them.

It's possible that Shimano may have blown it with their compact crank, in
two ways. First, it's quite late to the party. And second, they got the bugs
out of their high-end triples, such that both the DuraAce & Ultegra 52/39/30
combos work phenomenally well. There's really no downside, apart from a bit
of extra weight.

If Shimano really wanted to succeed with compact cranks (and, for that
matter, doubles in general), they'd get a clue and come out with a 12-29
10-spd cassette. C'mon, there's *10* cogs back there, it's not like giving
us a 29t is going to space them too far apart.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Cut & Paste the following into your browser, Shimano is listing it as Ultegra
quality:

www.rickschiller.com/shimanocompact.jpg

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Quoted message said:

C.H. Luu said:

I saw the prototype compact crankset, which Shimano is planning to
release in early January of 2006.

It looks similar to the Dura Ace crankset with the outter bearings.
The chainrings even mirrored the Dura Ace chainrings. In fact, you
could call it a baby versin of the Dura Ace crankset. The chainrings
made it look very chunky.

The representative said it would retail around $290.00.

Claude

Any photos yet?

http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/images/FC-R700compact_big.jpg

better picture

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Cut & Paste the following into your browser, Shimano is listing it as Ultegra
quality:

www.rickschiller.com/shimanocompact.jpg

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Quoted message said:

C.H. Luu said:

I saw the prototype compact crankset, which Shimano is planning to
release in early January of 2006.

It looks similar to the Dura Ace crankset with the outter bearings.
The chainrings even mirrored the Dura Ace chainrings. In fact, you
could call it a baby versin of the Dura Ace crankset. The chainrings
made it look very chunky.

The representative said it would retail around $290.00.

Claude

Any photos yet?

rs said:

http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/images/FC-R700compact_big.jpg

better picture

IMO, those stupid big chainrings look so ugly.

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C.H. Luu said:

I saw the prototype compact crankset, which Shimano is planning to
release in early January of 2006.

It looks similar to the Dura Ace crankset with the outter bearings.
The chainrings even mirrored the Dura Ace chainrings. In fact, you
could call it a baby versin of the Dura Ace crankset. The chainrings
made it look very chunky.

The representative said it would retail around $290.00.

That's just the first step in migrating the current DA tech down to
the lower groups. Shimano can be expected to continue this trend,
since it promises to eventually do away with the cheap generic BB for
a few years while the patents on the outboard bearing design are still
alive.

Of course, that latter factor doesn't obtain if enough folks simply
continue to use cranks that take a square taper, which I predict will
remain the more common design by far. If Shimano converts enough of
their line to this style of setup, I see a much brighter future for
Campy and the other square-taper crank makers.
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Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Yeah, I saw the same crank at the SF Gran Prix bike expo. Not a very
attractive crank, but I bet Shimano sells a ton of them.

It's possible that Shimano may have blown it with their compact crank, in
two ways. First, it's quite late to the party. And second, they got the bugs
out of their high-end triples, such that both the DuraAce & Ultegra 52/39/30
combos work phenomenally well. There's really no downside, apart from a bit
of extra weight.

If Shimano really wanted to succeed with compact cranks (and, for that
matter, doubles in general), they'd get a clue and come out with a 12-29
10-spd cassette. C'mon, there's *10* cogs back there, it's not like giving
us a 29t is going to space them too far apart.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Since shimano and evidently, Trek, seem concerned about the front der
being exceeded by one tooth of capacity(why the 'Bontrager compacts are
50-36, not 34),is shimano gonna have a 'compact' front der. In my
experience, it certainly
is not needed...a double works just fine.

And I read that the DA 10s triple is 53/40/30(???) and still with that
goofy propriatary middle ring/small ring BCD.

Phil said:

rs said:

http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/images/FC-R700compact_big.jpg

better picture

IMO, those stupid big chainrings look so ugly.

I like how small the logo is, but your right - The chainrings are ugly.

-n

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bfd said:

Yeah, I saw the same crank at the SF Gran Prix bike expo. Not a very
attractive crank, but I bet Shimano sells a ton of them.

In contrast, Campy's new 110bcd Centaur silver crank is very pretty and
with a "retail" price of $149, it should also sell very well too:

https://secure3.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/products.asp?CS=reparto&RowID=1299&Refresh=True&CategoryID=143&ShowReviews=&ShowQuestions=&OverrideJava=True

Better pic on A. Muzi's site

http://www.yellowjersey.org/CENCOMPC.JPG

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Llatikcuf said:

http://www.yellowjersey.org/CENCOMPC.JPG

Is that really 110BCD? I understood the carbon compacts are
proprietary...

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It looks nice in th picture. However, when you examine it in your
hands, it simply looks like unattractive.

I think it's mostly due the outter chanring. I wish they had used
chainrings similar to those of the Ultegra group. It would have made
it far prettier.

The price tag of $290 is fairly high to me. With all the carbon
cranksets price relative to that, I don't know if they'll sell. I sure
see a lot of FSA & Truvativ carbon cranksets here in the San Francisco
Bay Area.

Claude

Squid-in-Training said:

rs said:

http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/images/FC-R700compact_big.jpg

better picture

IMO, those stupid big chainrings look so ugly.

To me, they just look wierd, goofy and wrong. Okay, and a little
ugly, but I don't expect functional stuff to be artistic and pleasing;
if it does the job, I can overlook a lot. But for $290, I think I can
overlook this crankset, too.
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Helmut Springer said:

Is that really 110BCD? I understood the carbon compacts are
proprietary...

I understood that the earlier Campagnolo compact cranksets were
proprietary because they were Chorus or Record and thus had one of the
chainring bolts behind the crankarm and this in a somehow different
location relative to the others.

In addition to the Centaur crankset, there will also be compact
cranksets in the Mirage and Veloce ranges, so the selection is now good.

-as

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Quoted message said:

Helmut Springer said:

Is that really 110BCD? I understood the carbon compacts are
proprietary...

I understood that the earlier Campagnolo compact cranksets were
proprietary because they were Chorus or Record and thus had one of the
chainring bolts behind the crankarm and this in a somehow different
location relative to the others.

In addition to the Centaur crankset, there will also be compact
cranksets in the Mirage and Veloce ranges, so the selection is now good.

-as

Suggestion
Before you purchase a compact crank, you may want to do the math first.
Find out the gears you're most comfortable with. As it turned out for me,
if I were to purchase the 50/34 compact crank, I would be mostly in my 50t
and using only the 34t for climbing. Also the 12-23 or 11-23 would work
best in using the compact.

During the winter I use a Campagnolo racing triple crank 170mm 52/42/30. In
the spring I switch over to the Campagnolo double 172.5mm 53/39 with a
12-27 9sp.and use it through the spring, summer and fall. Both Campagnolo
cranks take the 111mm bottom bracket. This combination seems the most useful
for me. Of course you'll have to decide what works best for you.

Sheldon's gear calculator was very helpful in my decision.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears/
-tom

Llatikcuf said:

bfd said:

Yeah, I saw the same crank at the SF Gran Prix bike expo. Not a very
attractive crank, but I bet Shimano sells a ton of them.

In contrast, Campy's new 110bcd Centaur silver crank is very pretty
and with a "retail" price of $149, it should also sell very well too:

https://secure3.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/products.asp?CS=reparto&RowID=1299&Refresh=True&CategoryID=143&ShowReviews=&ShowQuestions=&OverrideJava=True

Better pic on A. Muzi's site

http://www.yellowjersey.org/CENCOMPC.JPG

What does Brev. mean?

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Phil said:

What does Brev. mean?

(brevetto) Patent.

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