shimano and campag compatibility

"Richard Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Current transmission is as follows:

Sora long cage (GS) rear mech
Sora triple front mech
Sora 3x7 STI shifters
Shimano HG 7spd cassette
Generic HG compatible chain
Sora triple chainset (52/42/30)
Shimano tapered square BB
105 rear hub (8spd, currently holding a 7spd cassette plus spacer)

At a minimum you would need to change to 10 speed ergo shifters and shimano
8 speed cassette. I have this combination and it works fine.

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Since a double chainset doesn't require any indexing, a campag shifter
will work, but I'm not sure if the Sora front mech will like the bigger
difference between the two chainrings.

The new Campagnolo QS shifters are indexed at the front, which makes a
triple more fiddly but a double should be OK.

Richard Bates said:

2) Replace the Sora STI shifters with Campag so that I can use a
handlebar bag again. These STIs will eventually get transferred to the
tourer (which currently has bar-end shifters)

Quoted message said:

I quite like the idea of compact double chainsets but have no problem
replacing with another triple

Current transmission is as follows:

Sora long cage (GS) rear mech
Sora triple front mech
Sora 3x7 STI shifters
Shimano HG 7spd cassette
Generic HG compatible chain
Sora triple chainset (52/42/30)
Shimano tapered square BB
105 rear hub (8spd, currently holding a 7spd cassette plus spacer)

Read the "Shimergo" page on the CTC website.

Bear in mind that 2007 Campag front shifters have changed, so only Chorus
and Record use the "trimming" mode, the others are direct like Shimano.

From the above, my suggestion would be:
Campag double compact front chainset, campag front derailleur, Campag Ergo
10 speed levers (new QS will be fine as you're using Campag front end). Then
8 Speed Shimano rear cassette, Shimano rear derailleur. Would have to
investigate whether an 8 speed or 9 speed chain is best (to fit through
front derraileur). If an 8 will go, I'd use that. In either case, new bits
all round, including some new jockey wheels for the rear derailleurs.

- Nigel

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Cardinal Fang said:

"Richard Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Current transmission is as follows:

Sora long cage (GS) rear mech
Sora triple front mech
Sora 3x7 STI shifters
Shimano HG 7spd cassette
Generic HG compatible chain
Sora triple chainset (52/42/30)
Shimano tapered square BB
105 rear hub (8spd, currently holding a 7spd cassette plus spacer)

At a minimum you would need to change to 10 speed ergo shifters and
shimano 8 speed cassette. I have this combination and it works fine.

Quoted message said:

Since a double chainset doesn't require any indexing, a campag
shifter will work, but I'm not sure if the Sora front mech will like
the bigger difference between the two chainrings.

The new Campagnolo QS shifters are indexed at the front, which makes a
triple more fiddly but a double should be OK.

Stock of older (pre 2007) non-QS models is still available. With older
sub-Chorus models there's an advantage with the rear shifters as well. They
allow shifting to more than one smaller sprocket in one go with one push of
the thumb button. (Chorus and Record 2007 retains this feature). On the
other hand, they need their indexing springs replaced after a while. I
doubt the new simpler design ever needs servicing.

~PB

Richard Bates said:

Will a 10spd campag cassette fit on a shimano 8spd freehub?

No Campag cassettes fit any Shimano hubs.

A Campag-spaced Marchisio cassette could be fitted - but these are quite
expensive. See www.anysystem.de

Dr Fang's solution solution sounds good.

~PB

Pete Biggs said:

Cardinal Fang wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The new Campagnolo QS shifters are indexed at the front, which makes
a triple more fiddly but a double should be OK.

Stock of older (pre 2007) non-QS models is still available.

If you can point me to a supplier I'd be very grateful.

I could do with a set of mid-range pre-QS 10speed Ergo shifters for one of
my bikes which is likely to get a transmission rebuild in the autumn.

- Nigel

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Nigel Cliffe said:

I could do with a set of mid-range pre-QS 10speed Ergo shifters for
one of my bikes which is likely to get a transmission rebuild in the
autumn.

www.oldhamcyclecentre.co.uk have 2006 Veloce and Chorus 10sp Ergos on their
"Campagnolo Bargain Offers" page.

~PB

Pete Biggs said:

Nigel Cliffe said:

I could do with a set of mid-range pre-QS 10speed Ergo shifters for
one of my bikes which is likely to get a transmission rebuild in the
autumn.

www.oldhamcyclecentre.co.uk have 2006 Veloce and Chorus 10sp Ergos on
their "Campagnolo Bargain Offers" page.

Many thanks. Will call them tomorrow.

- Nigel

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Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

Pete Biggs said:

Nigel Cliffe said:

I could do with a set of mid-range pre-QS 10speed Ergo shifters for
one of my bikes which is likely to get a transmission rebuild in the
autumn.

www.oldhamcyclecentre.co.uk have 2006 Veloce and Chorus 10sp Ergos on
their "Campagnolo Bargain Offers" page.

Unfortunately, telephone call this morning revealed that the Veloce's have
all gone.
Chorus still in stock, but too expensive for my tastes.

Suggestions of other people with stocks of pre-QS 10-speed mid-range Ergo
shifters still sought.

- Nigel

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Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

Nigel Cliffe said:

Pete Biggs said:

Nigel Cliffe said:

I could do with a set of mid-range pre-QS 10speed Ergo shifters for
one of my bikes which is likely to get a transmission rebuild in the
autumn.

www.oldhamcyclecentre.co.uk have 2006 Veloce and Chorus 10sp Ergos on
their "Campagnolo Bargain Offers" page.

Unfortunately, telephone call this morning revealed that the Veloce's
have all gone.
Chorus still in stock, but too expensive for my tastes.

Suggestions of other people with stocks of pre-QS 10-speed mid-range
Ergo shifters still sought.

Must admit that I hadn't looked around just before I posted my first reply
about stocks still being available as I was thinking back to a few months
ago when several dealers still had them, including Parker International.
Shame they're getting so scarce already.

eBay seller "Number1bikebits" has 06 Veloce - but look through feedback left
for and by him to see that he can be most unpleasant and unfair if
anything's wrong with an item.

An eBay seller in the States also has a pair - item number 160106772505

~PB

Pete Biggs said:

Nigel Cliffe wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Unfortunately, telephone call this morning revealed that the Veloce's
have all gone.
Chorus still in stock, but too expensive for my tastes.

Suggestions of other people with stocks of pre-QS 10-speed mid-range
Ergo shifters still sought.

Must admit that I hadn't looked around just before I posted my first
reply about stocks still being available as I was thinking back to a
few months ago when several dealers still had them, including Parker
International. Shame they're getting so scarce already.

I was also surprised that they are now apparently scarce.

Quoted message said:

eBay seller "Number1bikebits" has 06 Veloce - but look through
feedback left for and by him to see that he can be most unpleasant
and unfair if anything's wrong with an item.

An eBay seller in the States also has a pair - item number
160106772505

Thanks again Pete.
I must revise my Ebay search methods; I found neither of the above in my
searching. I'll ponder if either seller is a viable option for me.

I failed to win a set of Record on Ebay earlier today; end price was fair,
but as I'm really after Veloce quality, I'm tending towards Veloce pricing.

Perhaps another day will work out for me.

- Nigel

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