see someone with a flat? no worries... just keep riding.

[Absent Husband]

Abby's approach:

1. Tap the brakes to slow down from 'warp speed' (*haha*)

2. Yell out, "You right mate?";

3. If 'no', stop. If 'yes', re-accelerate back to warp speed.

How fscking easy is that. No excuses for not helping someone out - its
da code, homies...

Cheers,
Abby (who thinks he may have taken too many antihistamine tablets...)

 

[asterope]

Artoi wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> Duracell Bunny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I don't see it as a good deed at all - it's the right thing to do. I stop for
>> any cyclist I see by the roadside, except those who are clearly sorting the
>> situation out competently.
>
> Isn't that the point? I would also stop without question if the dame or
> gent in distress is wearing casual gear and not an obvious avid sporting
> cyclist and fumbling with the wheel. But given OP's dress code and
> appearance, I would not know exactly how I would react at the spot. If
> there's indication that assistance is needed, then I would stop.
> --
"except those who are clearly sorting the situation out competently."
I take that as seeing a tube being repaired or replaced, in this instance.

She had no spare tube, and so qualified for help. What she was wearing is
irrelevant, as is whether she was an avid cyclist or a gumby.

--
Karen

If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning.'
Catherine Aird

maybe they saw my dreadlocks sticking out behind by helmet and decided i was a smelly hippy that just happened to have a bike and wear tights.

as for the mention of the dress code... well, yes, theres two ways to think of it... you could think that because the person looked the part that they knew what they were doing/had all their essential tools and equipment/knew where their towel is and didnt need any help, or you could think that the person was just another cyclist that could possibly need some help.

i prefer to think in the second way, so it doesnt matter to me if you are wearing completely casual clothes, proper cycling clothes or no clothes at all, if you are stopped on the side of the road, and are looking around your bike in any way that would suggest that you had a problem, then i would stop and ask if you needed assistance.

 

[daveL]

[email protected] wrote:
> asterope wrote:
>
>> Claude Wrote:
>> > "asterope" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> > message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> > > or maybe its the done thing now to ignore girls on
>> > > the sidewalk in full cycling garb looking for punctures and just hope
>> > > they will be ok on the walk home.
>> >
>> > Maybe the blokes feel they'll be 'dissed' if they stop?
>> >
>> > http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=4907
>> a good deed is a good deed regardless of what the sex/gender of the
>> person that offers it is.
>>
>> gender equality is just that... equality. i dont believe in dissing
>> anyone just because they ended up with a Y-chromosome.
>>
>>
>> --
>> asterope
>
> Last time I tried to help a "damsel in distress" with a broken down car
> I got my head bitten off verbally for assuming she needed help. From
> then on, their on their own.
>

Right. That's like saying you saw a cyclist run a red light, so all
cyclists run red lights. It's a shame your ego is so fragile that you'd
turn your back on a whole subset of people because someone was nasty to you.

--
daveL

 

[gumby]

Surly Dave wrote:
> > This is getting dangerously close to accusing a potential victim of encouraging an attack.
> > Don't be so quick to blame.
>
> No, it's not. I'm saying don't make yourself a victim. If it's really
> that dangerous, take sensible precautions. I'm saying if you don't look
> after yourself, you shouldn't whine that others won't look after you.
>
> > Use situational awareness.
>
> Ok, from this moment forth.

Yeah I was trying to avoid 'victimhood' by writing situational
awareness, rather than risk management and risk avoidance.
I guess you take your chances when riding without a spare, think of the
worst thing that could happen and plan for it, make contingency a part
of the daily commute, consider going a better well lit path, a busier
route closer to other traffic rather than remote locations.
Two hours to go before my commute home, bewdiful here in Perth 27
degrees and fine fine fine.

 

[Paulie-AU]

I got a flat the other day...shock

Got out the tyre leavers, tube, CO2 canisters. Got tyre off, found glass, fitted tube grabbed CO2 canister and realised it was an old one.

The first roadie that came past I made sure I waved them down and asked to borrow a pump. Pump was borrowed and I rode home.

Mabye be a little more proactive in getting help?

 

[asterope]

> This is getting dangerously close to accusing a potential victim of encouraging an attack.
> Don't be so quick to blame.

No, it's not. I'm saying don't make yourself a victim. If it's really
that dangerous, take sensible precautions. I'm saying if you don't look
after yourself, you shouldn't whine that others won't look after you.

> Use situational awareness.

Ok, from this moment forth.

surly dave... i guess those women out jogging at 3pm and that cyclist riding her bike at around midday when they were attacked were making themselves victims? these 3 bastards are pretty brazen and have mostly been attacking in broad daylight, in very public areas.
nobody asks to be assaulted, nobody asks to be the victim, and sometimes, just sometimes, people get caught out in situations where they should have planned ahead and foreseen the possibilities, but dont have the equipment to deal with it. that doesnt mean they are asking for anything bad to happen to them either.

if you cant look after yourself, dont whine that others wont look after you? are you joking? even with the best intentions people get caught out sometimes, wether its their fault or not... the only reason that we "humans" got to be where we are right now is purely due to the fact that we DO look out for eachother. I hope for your sake that you dont get caught out in a less than favourable situation, and someone decides that if you cant look out for yourself then they shouldnt be expected to.

 

[Surly Dave]

OK, I agree with you: there's no question that the people who rode past
you are all arseholes for not offering to help when it should have been
obvious to the casual observer that you or may not be in trouble and
may or may not have have wandered unprepared into a dangerous, or not
dangerous, or dangerous situation.

But then, three of the five could have been rapists and you might be
better off.

I would have stopped.

 

[gumby]

Surly Dave wrote:
> OK, I agree with you: there's no question that the people who rode past
> you are all arseholes for not offering to help when it should have been
> obvious to the casual observer that you or may not be in trouble and
> may or may not have have wandered unprepared into a dangerous, or not
> dangerous, or dangerous situation.
>
> But then, three of the five could have been rapists and you might be
> better off.
>
> I would have stopped.

I would have stopped but only to help and only if you were in Perth.

 

[flyingdutch]

a good deed is a good deed regardless of what the sex/gender of the person that offers it is.

i agree

i always carry (on my commute at least...) one spare 26" cos that's what i am usually riding and a 700c, just in case
my theory is one day I'll help some git who leaves his inheritence to me or at least someone will stop for me in future...

 

[Parbs]

asterope wrote:
> BIG THUMBS DOWN to all those mean rude cyclists who passed me in
> paddington this morning and didnt stop to ask if i needed help.
>
Bummer, that's no way to build up their trail karma.

Parbs - who now keeps spare tubes (26" & 700C) & a track pump in his car

 

[Adam F]

"asterope" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Jono L Wrote:
>> Did these cyclists have telepathic powers? If you asked then maybe....
>>
>> Generally, I just make eye contact and nod, if they heed help then all
>> they need to do is ask.
> i didnt think telepathic powers were a prerequisite for being
> courteous to a fellow cyclist at 5:30am.
>
> i thought it was common courtesy to slow down and ask if the person on
> the side of the road needed a hand... i know ive done it many times and
> it has happened to me many times, even if they didnt ask for a hand, and
> even if they looked like they knew exactly what they were doing/had the
> super-dooper full kit on. its just nice to be NICE to others on the off
> chance that you may need someone reciprocate some day.
>
> steven: i dont think its any different in perth, perhaps i just managed
> to have my luck run out when the wrong people were on the road...
>
> snip <

Actually, I'm pretty sure it is different in Perth - and Melbourne, and
Canberra - I've seen many ppl offering help to strangers in all sorts of
situations all 3 but Sydney? Never...and I lived there for 15 years!


//Adam F

 

[Hitchy]

what goes around comes around, I always give a "you right mate"? to any lone cyclist stopped on the side of the road...maybe one day I'll be in 'need'....maybe it was just a 'sin city' thing?

 

[TimC]

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 at 04:16 GMT, asterope (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> gender equality is just that... equality. i dont believe in dissing
> anyone just because they ended up with a Y-chromosome.

Even if it is a defective chromosome. Damn damaged X chromosomes

--

 

[Jono L]

i didnt think telepathic powers were a prerequisite for being courteous to a fellow cyclist at 5:30am.

i thought it was common courtesy to slow down and ask if the person on the side of the road needed a hand... i know ive done it many times and it has happened to me many times, even if they didnt ask for a hand, and even if they looked like they knew exactly what they were doing/had the super-dooper full kit on. its just nice to be NICE to others on the off chance that you may need someone reciprocate some day.

Yes, it would've been nice for them to ask if you needed help. But in all seriousness, you're the one who needs help, would it really hurt you to ask..it's as little effort for you to ask for a hand as it is for them to ask if you're ok. Goes both ways.

 

[Dave Hughes]

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:51:59 +1000, Adam F wrote:

> Actually, I'm pretty sure it is different in Perth - and Melbourne, and
> Canberra - I've seen many ppl offering help to strangers in all sorts of
> situations all 3 but Sydney? Never...and I lived there for 15 years!

I've always offered help to those I saw stopped - even car drivers
sometimes (depends if I can stop safely there). As Abby said, tap brakes,
"you right mate", zoom off when they say yes.

One day it'll be you who's down, and that's when you hope you've spread
enough good feeling that someone will stop for you.

Dave - who had a run in with a bus this morning, but got an apology at the
next stop. Chasing buses on a 52" gear is a bit of a spin though.

--
Dave Hughes | [email protected]
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of
the precipitate - Steven Wright

 

[Michael Warner]

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:23:40 +1000, asterope wrote:

> the one day i didnt have a spare, i get a flat... at least 5 cyclists
> passed me while i was trying to locate the problem... some slowed down
> and had a good geezer, others just flew straight by.

If I see someone alone with a flat, I always slow down and ask whether
they need any help. If there are two or more on the case, I assume they
have the resources to fix it

> nice one... theres 3 rapists out and about attacking women in the
> paddington area... the least they could have done was asked if i needed
> a hand/patch/tube...

Were you actively trying to flag them down, or just squinting at the hole
in your your tube and looking cross? If you look busy, many cyclists will
assume that you're fine.

--
Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw

 

[Parbs]

Dave Hughes wrote:
>
>
> Dave - who had a run in with a bus this morning, but got an apology at the
> next stop. Chasing buses on a 52" gear is a bit of a spin though.
>
No wonder you're a bit tired.

Parbs

 

[cfsmtb]

I don't see it as a good deed at all - it's the right thing to do. I stop for
any cyclist I see by the roadside, except those who are clearly sorting the
situation out competently.

Another take on this, circa 1996 when I was returning (wobbling) to cycling, I encountered a roadie looking chap in distress near the North Carlton Community House. I politely asked him if he required assistance, as I had tyre levers, spare tube, kit etc. He slightly turned his head away from struggling with the sidewall and bluntly told me to fk off. This unfortunately reinforced a negative stereotype I had of roadies, which incidently took a few years to shake off.

 

[Peter McCallum]

Hitchy <[email protected]> wrote:
> what goes around comes around, I always give a "you right mate"? to any
> lone cyclist stopped on the side of the road...maybe one day I'll be in
> 'need'....maybe it was just a 'sin city' thing?

Could be but I'd be surprised if anyone stopped and asked in the
godfearing north.

The other issue is why we have so much broken glass on the roads? I've
seen the fire brigade (they do the rescue work at traffic accidents up
here) sweep broken glass from accidents into the gutter so cyclists can
clean it up later. I'm sure that if we had some deposits on glass
bottles then there'd be far fewer tossed in the gutter.

Peter

--
Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA
http://bicyclemackay.org.au

 

[Artoi]

In article <1hlqfk5.4glgixfw5marN%[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Peter McCallum) wrote:

> The other issue is why we have so much broken glass on the roads? I've
> seen the fire brigade (they do the rescue work at traffic accidents up
> here) sweep broken glass from accidents into the gutter so cyclists can
> clean it up later. I'm sure that if we had some deposits on glass
> bottles then there'd be far fewer tossed in the gutter.

It's also those car thieves who has to smash through windows...
--