Originally posted by VeloZoooooooom Good Lord, Noel. Facts? What facts? You have not one shred of empirical data to back up your ideas (I will not even grant them the respect to deem them "theories"😉 yet you have the cojones to call them facts?!?! I have been reading this same tripe for years on various forums. Your diatribe has not changed in years and the only thing anyone can be sure of from you other than your inability to understand the common sense if individualistic physiology is the utter absence of verifiable data to back up your ideas.
Common sense dictates that what works for one person may not work for another. It also says that various causes of back pain do not have a single cure/remedy even towards teh specific end of enabling one's ability to cycle.
Come on, man. Either put up or shut up. It's about time you backed up your rants with something more than more rants.
Originally posted by VeloZoooooooom Good Lord, Noel. Facts? What facts? You have not one shred of empirical data to back up your ideas (I will not even grant them the respect to deem them "theories"😉 yet you have the cojones to call them facts?!?! I have been reading this same tripe for years on various forums. Your diatribe has not changed in years and the only thing anyone can be sure of from you other than your inability to understand the common sense if individualistic physiology is the utter absence of verifiable data to back up your ideas.
Common sense dictates that what works for one person may not work for another. It also says that various causes of back pain do not have a single cure/remedy even towards teh specific end of enabling one's ability to cycle.
Come on, man. Either put up or shut up. It's about time you backed up your rants with something more than more rants.
-Rob Coapman
Rob what do you think of rotor cranks ?
You appear very confident in considering all my claims as just fit for the trash can, would you be prepared to stake $1000 on whether or not they are true ?
Originally posted by n crowley Rob what do you think of rotor cranks ?
You appear very confident in considering all my claims as just fit for the trash can, would you be prepared to stake $1000 on whether or not they are true ?
When are you letting the Wattage list know? which two researchers are you using? where will the study be conducted? when are you expecting to start it?
Originally posted by n crowley What ended McGregor's cycling? answer : lower back pain W hat condition is Boardsman's back in? Instead of causing back pain and injury Anquetil's method improves it, his video has the proof. If Mc Gregor was to return to the track tomorrow, using Anquetil's technique, she would be track pursuit champion and free from all lower back pain . I can guarantee that.
Thought McGregor and Boardman quit due to 'old age' rather than being forced out by some back injury. Didn't realise that Boardman had a back injury. As for McGregor, her back injury was sustained prior to cycling and was the reason for taking cycling up.
I'm sure that she would love to hear about the claims you make, so that she is able to get back to World Champ and no doubt break world records!
Originally posted by n crowley Rob what do you think of rotor cranks ?
You appear very confident in considering all my claims as just fit for the trash can, would you be prepared to stake $1000 on whether or not they are true ?
I never said your claims were fit for the trash can, I said you have no facts to back up your assertions. What annoys me is the absolute certainty you display about your ideas and the vehemence with which you argue for them without a single shred of evidence to back them up with. You can't just make claims and expect people to follow blindly. If you show me a study that backs up your claims I will look at it and consider the implications but until then you have no more credence than an eccentric proselytizer standing on a soapbox on a street corner.
I have no opinion of Rotor Cranks whatsoever as I have never used them nor have I seen anything other than a few anecdotal reports on them. When there is data, show me.
Originally posted by 2LAP Thought McGregor and Boardman quit due to 'old age' rather than being forced out by some back injury. Didn't realise that Boardman had a back injury. As for McGregor, her back injury was sustained prior to cycling and was the reason for taking cycling up.
I'm sure that she would love to hear about the claims you make, so that she is able to get back to World Champ and no doubt break world records!
Stephan Roche was forced out by back pain and knee injury both of which probably would not have occurred with this style. Boardman has osteoporosis not caused by his pedaling but not helped either. As for McGregor, lower back pain is caused by the continuous strain on the lower back associated with round pedaling. An injured or imperfect lower back can soon be aggravated by this strain and the cumulative torture begins which for many can only be ended by climbing off the bike. Anquetil's style hinges all strain in the hips, not the lower back.
Originally posted by n crowley As for McGregor, lower back pain is caused by the continuous strain on the lower back associated with round pedaling.
Noel, you surpass yourself. Unbelievable. There really is no sense taking a counterpoint to someone so adamant and unwilling to entertain opposing thoughts. I hope you enjoy it there in your own private little world.
Originally posted by VeloZoooooooom Noel, you surpass yourself. Unbelievable. There really is no sense taking a counterpoint to someone so adamant and unwilling to entertain opposing thoughts. I hope you enjoy it there in your own private little world.
Go back to sleep Rob, if everyone had behaved like you, we would still be living in the STONE AGE. You would make an ideal person for the U.C.I., those people who believe that nothing should change, even if it means driving a rider to despair and almost death.
Originally posted by n crowley Go back to sleep Rob, if everyone had behaved like you, we would still be living in the STONE AGE. You would make an ideal person for the U.C.I., those people who believe that nothing should change, even if it means driving a rider to despair and almost death.
You are so right, Noel, asking for a little verifiable evidence and data to back up what most see as fairly silly assertions is keeping us in the Stone Age? LOL! Funny, I seem to rememebr something from grammer school about the scientific method and I do believe that somewhere in there there was a mention of observing and gathering DATA. You can present no data when requested, what else is a reasonable person to think other than your idea currently holds as much scientific validity as does the Medievil assertion (they believed their idea, too, Noel!) that the Earth is truly flat?
Got any more of what you're smoking? It must be some hellaciously good stuff.....
Originally posted by ricstern When are you letting the Wattage list know? which two researchers are you using? where will the study be conducted? when are you expecting to start it?
ric
First I have got to find the six worst victims of cycling related lower back pain who have been forced out of the sport by it. That letter should be in Cycling Weekly (if they publish) in a week or two, I will e-mail it this weekend. As for the wattage crew, I will also be seeking in the letter an interested medical researcher who would be willing to verify the results. If that search gets one from the UK, I will not need a wattage volunteer, though I would like to get the ROTOR/ ANQUETIL combination tested at the same time, I am confident that it can directly eliminate the entire dead spot area. Maybe Andrew Bradley (pedaling expert) would be interested.
Originally posted by n crowley First I have got to find the six worst victims of cycling related lower back pain who have been forced out of the sport by it. That letter should be in Cycling Weekly (if they publish) in a week or two, I will e-mail it this weekend. As for the wattage crew, I will also be seeking in the letter an interested medical researcher who would be willing to verify the results. If that search gets one from the UK, I will not need a wattage volunteer, though I would like to get the ROTOR/ ANQUETIL combination tested at the same time, I am confident that it can directly eliminate the entire dead spot area. Maybe Andrew Bradley (pedaling expert) would be interested.
I'm unaware of exactly who he is, or what research he's done. does he have access to force instrumented pedals?
Originally posted by n crowley Do a Yahoo search for " ankling" the first site will soon let you know what he has done.
Correct me if I am wrong, Ric, but hasn't the highly esteemed (that means he uses real-world data to back up his statements) Doctor Andy Coggan referenced several studies that showed little to no benefit to "ankling" and that it, in fact, does little more than waste energy contracting and unecessary muscle? (this is from a dim memory so I freely admit I may be wrong on this)
Originally posted by VeloZoooooooom Correct me if I am wrong, Ric, but hasn't the highly esteemed (that means he uses real-world data to back up his statements) Doctor Andy Coggan referenced several studies that showed little to no benefit to "ankling" and that it, in fact, does little more than waste energy contracting and unecessary muscle? (this is from a dim memory so I freely admit I may be wrong on this)
Nobody is saying anything for or against ankling, in fact I agree with Dr Coggan, ankling loses all its effect when cadence increases. I am just letting Ric know that A Bradley can do pedaling animations. Dr Coggan admits to being a stomper and is unlikely to change his views. Time will tell. He is more interested in power measuring devices. It amazes me why so much time is wasted on the accuracy of these different systems while how pedal power is generated is completely ignored, which is after all what cycling is all about.
Crowley.....what are you on about? Even if Anquetils pedalling was so good.....what about all the other very good Pros in the last 40 years......did they achieve greatness through pedalling that way?
