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On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:10:40 GMT, "Dimitri" <[email hidden]>

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Please in those days it was pronounced TZICKN'

;-)

Dimitri

ROTFLMAO- Yep! And in those days, my Grandmother went to the " Chicken
Store"..where there were live chickens..and she picked out the one she
wanted...and it was killed on the spot.

I remember her telling me to sit on the floor and play with the
chickens - they were in cages- so I didn't see into the back through
the wall cut out. It was there so customers could see the man killing
the chicken with one swipe of the knife...which is the Kosher way.

I was probably 6 or 7 before I figured out what was going on...and I
stopped eating chicken for a few years.

Debra

Mine - the one in Manhattan used to send me to the butcher store to buy a fresh
beef kidney which she would feed to "vaska" her cat. Vaska would hide under the
bed(s) and if you walked by he would swipe (claw) your feet. I remember the
butcher taking a cleaver and whacking the suet to reveal the kidney.

Funny what you remember.

Dimitri

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OK, I saved all my lumps of chicken fat for a year, and now I have two
mayonnaise jars full of schmaltz. What do I do next?

The recipe I have is vague, but it says to cut "fresh" chicken fat
into small pieces, place in a pan with a "little" (how much?) water
over medium low heat. Let it cook until the fat turns into crunchy
little bits and the water is evaporated. I can't eat the stuff any
more, but the crunchy pieces are good mixed in with chopped liver.

--
The Doc says my brain waves closely match those of a crazed ferret.
At least now I have an excuse.

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ROTFLMAO- Yep! And in those days, my Grandmother went to the " Chicken
Store"..where there were live chickens..and she picked out the one she
wanted...and it was killed on the spot.

I remember her telling me to sit on the floor and play with the
chickens - they were in cages- so I didn't see into the back through
the wall cut out. It was there so customers could see the man killing
the chicken with one swipe of the knife...which is the Kosher way.

I was probably 6 or 7 before I figured out what was going on...and I
stopped eating chicken for a few years.

Debra

Mine - the one in Manhattan used to send me to the butcher store to buy a fresh
beef kidney which she would feed to "vaska" her cat. Vaska would hide under the
bed(s) and if you walked by he would swipe (claw) your feet. I remember the
butcher taking a cleaver and whacking the suet to reveal the kidney.

Funny what you remember.

Dimitri

Dimitri, did you have to pay for the kidneys? My butcher did not
charge for the beef kidneys, or hearts, or meaty soup bones or even
chicken giblets which some customers didn't want and told the butcher
not to wrap up for them when he cleaned the bird. They would go to
anybody who asked for them. That was in the 1950's and 60's, when the
butchers still cleaned the chickens.

Almost every customer had an account with the butcher (and the green
grocer and the drug store) and paid once a month for everything
purchased the past four weeks. When the butcher heard that I had a
kitten, he automatically included all sorts of free treats for Tawny,
especially kidneys. She disdained eating them, asking me for such
delicacies as asparagus, fresh pineapple and orange juice instead.
She was a weird kitty.

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No onions? Oy.

serene, whose mother would be shocked, shocked I tell you

What would I know? My mother was an Episcopalian. I'll add the onions

when I

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make it again next year.

You're a good child. Now call my mother.

She'd get such naches if she knew you said that.

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No onions? Oy.

serene, whose mother would be shocked, shocked I tell you

What would I know? My mother was an Episcopalian. I'll add the onions

when I

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make it again next year.

You're a good child. Now call my mother.

She'd get such naches if she knew you said that.

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> OK, I saved all my lumps of chicken fat for a year, and now I have
> two mayonnaise jars full of schmaltz. What do I do next?

It's been rendered, right? I use it in a lot of things but it's
excellent for sauteing potatoes, mishagos and is a must in chopped
liver. Sometimes

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use it on chicken thighs and drumsticks. I'll coat the chicken, toss
on S&P and bake at 350 until done. Good stuff.

Mishagos is a food? I know my cooking has sometimes been described as
meshuganah, but I never knew what that meant.

I don't know if it's Jewish or not. It's one of the dishes that is served
at Pumpernickles Deli. I have it for breakfast sometimes. It's corned
beef hash with hash browned style potatoes. It's a bit salty but tasty in
the morning.

Sounds good, but I sense it's not a traditional Jewish dish.

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Mi e' parso che Jess Askin abbia scritto:

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Actually one of my main reasons for making it -- I didn't
want to cook the chicken parts (legs) with the fat in and
I couldn't bear to throw it out.

While you were collecting fat bits, how did you store it:
tupperware? In the fridge? In the freezer?

In the freezer, in a zip-loc bag.

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On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:10:40 GMT, "Dimitri" <[email hidden]>

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Please in those days it was pronounced TZICKN'

;-)

Dimitri

ROTFLMAO- Yep! And in those days, my Grandmother went to the " Chicken
Store"..where there were live chickens..and she picked out the one she
wanted...and it was killed on the spot.

I remember her telling me to sit on the floor and play with the
chickens - they were in cages- so I didn't see into the back through
the wall cut out. It was there so customers could see the man killing
the chicken with one swipe of the knife...which is the Kosher way.

I was probably 6 or 7 before I figured out what was going on...and I
stopped eating chicken for a few years.

I'm told there are, or were, multi-ethnic poultry stores in New York where
they ask you how you want your chicken killed -- the Jewish way, the Muslim
way, or the goyish way. I don't know what the goyish way is -- maybe they
put it out in the street and let a car run over it.

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Jess Askin
Iowa, USA

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Jess Askin said:

OK, I saved all my lumps of chicken fat for a year, and now I have two
mayonnaise jars full of schmaltz. What do I do next?

After a year, I would expect it to be rancid unless it was frozen. On the

off

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chance that it is not, it would bring in up to 350° or so and then strain

it

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through a coffee filter. After that I would freeze it in ice trays and

store the

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cubes in your freezer. Use a cube to season a batch of early peas, green
beans, corn collards or whatever. (I don't mess with chicken fat, but I do
reheat and strain my bacon fat periodically, it does preserve it's taste.)

Sorry, I didn't provide enough detail in my original post. I kept the pieces
of chicken fat in a zip-loc bag in the freezer, and then rendered them in
water. Then I strained the fat through a coffee filter. When I said
mayonnaise jars, I meant the small size. It's still in my refrigerator, but
I think I'll follow another poster's advice and keep it in the freezer.

Thanks for the veggie suggestions. I think I could also use it for rice
pilaf.

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ROTFLMAO- Yep! And in those days, my Grandmother went to the " Chicken
Store"..where there were live chickens..and she picked out the one she
wanted...and it was killed on the spot.

I remember her telling me to sit on the floor and play with the
chickens - they were in cages- so I didn't see into the back through
the wall cut out. It was there so customers could see the man killing
the chicken with one swipe of the knife...which is the Kosher way.

I was probably 6 or 7 before I figured out what was going on...and I
stopped eating chicken for a few years.

Debra

Mine - the one in Manhattan used to send me to the butcher store to buy a
fresh beef kidney which she would feed to "vaska" her cat. Vaska would hide
under the bed(s) and if you walked by he would swipe (claw) your feet. I
remember the butcher taking a cleaver and whacking the suet to reveal the
kidney.

Funny what you remember.

Dimitri

Dimitri, did you have to pay for the kidneys?

IIRC the charge was nominal even for those days. Maybe 25 cents.

I think he was on 78th or 79th on the east side of Amsterdam Ave in the city.

We're talking maybe 1951 to 1953. The bologna at the deli's had taste then too.
I have been able to duplicate that bologna taste with a veal bologna from a
German meat and sausage market.

Dimitri

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:05:37 -0500, "Jess Askin" <[email hidden]>

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I'm told there are, or were, multi-ethnic poultry stores in New York where
they ask you how you want your chicken killed -- the Jewish way, the Muslim
way, or the goyish way. I don't know what the goyish way is -- maybe they
put it out in the street and let a car run over it.

ROTFL-After all these years, you'd think I know better than to open a
post while I had a mouth full of coffee!

Thank you for the best laugh I've had in weeks.

Debra<---wiping the coffee spray off her monitor

Jess Askin said:

I'm told there are, or were, multi-ethnic poultry stores in New York where
they ask you how you want your chicken killed -- the Jewish way, the Muslim
way, or the goyish way. I don't know what the goyish way is -- maybe they
put it out in the street and let a car run over it.

--
Jess Askin
Iowa, USA

No, that is not possible. Unless only non-kosher, non-Orthodox Jews
bought their chickens in such a store.

If your grandmother would read your post, she would not schepf naches
from you. :o)

Jess Askin said:

I'm told there are, or were, multi-ethnic poultry stores in New York where
they ask you how you want your chicken killed -- the Jewish way, the Muslim
way, or the goyish way. I don't know what the goyish way is -- maybe they
put it out in the street and let a car run over it.

--
Jess Askin
Iowa, USA

No, that is not possible. Unless only non-kosher, non-Orthodox Jews
bought their chickens in such a store.

If your grandmother would read your post, she would not schepf naches
from you. :o)

Margaret, please see my earlier post. If I am not mistaken, all three
requests can be satisfied with a kosher chicken. They probably charged
extra for the hallal and non-kosher non-hallal birds...

-bwg

-bwg

Margaret, please see my earlier post. If I am not mistaken, all three
requests can be satisfied with a kosher chicken. They probably charged
extra for the hallal and non-kosher non-hallal birds...

-bwg

-bwg

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Jess Askin said:

I'm told there are, or were, multi-ethnic poultry stores in New York where
they ask you how you want your chicken killed -- the Jewish way, the Muslim
way, or the goyish way. I don't know what the goyish way is -- maybe they
put it out in the street and let a car run over it.

--
Jess Askin
Iowa, USA

No, that is not possible. Unless only non-kosher, non-Orthodox Jews
bought their chickens in such a store.

If your grandmother would read your post, she would not schepf naches
from you. :o)

I have a vague memory of my grandmother swinging a chicken around my
head 3 times.

I used to go with my mother to the poultry store, where she would pick
out a live chicken from the cages in the front part of the shop. Then,
the bird would be taken in back and a little while later my mother
would be given a wrapped parcel. We'd have chicken soup that night. I
loved the unlaid eggs.

I also remember watching my mom singe the feathers from chicken feet
on the gas burner of the stove.

Boron

Margaret Suran said:

Jess Askin said:

I'm told there are, or were, multi-ethnic poultry stores in New York where
they ask you how you want your chicken killed -- the Jewish way, the Muslim
way, or the goyish way. I don't know what the goyish way is -- maybe they
put it out in the street and let a car run over it.

--
Jess Askin
Iowa, USA

No, that is not possible. Unless only non-kosher, non-Orthodox Jews
bought their chickens in such a store.

If your grandmother would read your post, she would not schepf naches
from you. :o)

I have a vague memory of my grandmother swinging a chicken around my
head 3 times.

I used to go with my mother to the poultry store, where she would pick
out a live chicken from the cages in the front part of the shop. Then,
the bird would be taken in back and a little while later my mother
would be given a wrapped parcel. We'd have chicken soup that night. I
loved the unlaid eggs.

I also remember watching my mom singe the feathers from chicken feet
on the gas burner of the stove.

Boron

mmmm. I believe the the jewish way is ok for the muslims and the goyim,
the muslim way is ok for the goyim but not the jews and the goyishe way
is not ok for either the muslims or the jews. So maybe no matter what
you asked for you got the jewish way.

-bwg

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Margaret, please see my earlier post. If I am not mistaken, all three
requests can be satisfied with a kosher chicken. They probably charged
extra for the hallal and non-kosher non-hallal birds...

-bwg

-bwg

No rabbi would certify such a butcher shop. Kosher style, yes, a
really kosher butcher, no.

The chicken may be kosher, but once it is displayed in your chicken
store, no observing Jew would purchase it.

There are many shops in New York City that sell kosher foods as well
as other kinds, some of them have a whole section for that. But, no
Orthodox, kosher Jew would shop there. If you happen to be Jewish,
just ask your rabbi. Perhaps this will tell you, I do not know and
really do not care. I do not and have never kept kosher.

http://www.ou.org/kosher/primer.html

Yes, you could buy a kosher killed chicken, but it would not be
kosher, just another chicken killed in a more humane way.

Swinging a chicken around one's head three times is an act of
attonement performed before yom kippur called, in Yiddish, "schlugging
kappores." "Kappores" comes from the Hebrew word for attonement
(kippurim or kapporos [the first is a masculine form, the second a
feminine], like in Yom Kippur or Yom Ha'kippurim). I think, but may
well be wrong, that to schlug means to swing. When it became hard to
find live chickens in cities, chickens were replaced with money held in
a handkerchief. I've forgotten what happened to the chicken/money after
it was schlugged.

-bwg