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  1. Sheldon said:


    Kugels (potato or noodle) are often made with schmaltz, instead of
    butter... same for k'nishes, blintzes, kasha varnishkas, etc... depends
    whether it's a meat or dairy meal, of just personal preference.

    When my grandmother made noodle kugel, she always used cottage
    cheese...so no schmaltz. And as strange as this may be, I never
    remember her making potato kugel.

    Knishes always had meat in them... she made the kind with the potato
    outside and meat inside. She fried them...probably in schmaltz🙂🙂

    My fathers mother ( who did not keep Kosher) made the kind that were
    dough based and coiled, then baked. They looked like an "S" with some
    coils of filled dough at the top and bottom of the S.

    The blintzes were always dairy because of the eggs in the blintz
    batter...and kasha or kasha varnishkas were always with a meat meal
    or chicken soup.

    You're right..a lot of it was personal preference and some of it was
    based on where they were from. Different "regions" had their own ways
    of cooking.

    My mother's mother was from the Kiev area and she raised me...my
    father's mother was from somewhere nearer to the Polish border..or
    what was the Polish border at that time.

    Both Grandmothers had their own way of cooking...and made a lot of
    different things...but it was all good!

    Debra

  2. Debra Fritz said:
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    The blintzes were always dairy because of the eggs in the blintz
    batter

    I understood that eggs are neutral, could be meat or dairy.

    Potato Kugel

    Into a bowl grate 3 large potatoes, peeled, and squeeze them in 2
    batches in a tea towel to remove the moisture. In another bowl combine
    the potatoes with 1 onion and 1 small carrot, both grated, and toss the
    mixture with 1/2 cup flour, 2 eggs, lightly beaten, 3/4 teaspoon salt,
    and 1/4 teaspoon pepper. In an 8-inch pie tin render 3 tablespoons
    chicken fat, add the potato mixture, and smooth it with a spatula. Bake
    the kugel in a preheated moderately hot oven (375°F.) for 45 to 50
    minutes, or until it is golden. Serve the kugel cut into wedges.

    Serves 4 or 5.
    Gourmet
    ---

    Sheldon

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    On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:39:48 -0500, "Jess Askin" <[email hidden]>

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    > OK, I saved all my lumps of chicken fat for a year, and now I have


    two

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    > mayonnaise jars full of schmaltz. What do I do next?

    1. Add some chicken skin,
    2. Render out the fat
    3. Get everyone out of the house
    4. Enjoy the grbenes.

    There goes my diet.


    Schmaltz is NOT health food!! It probably helped a lot of people into
    an early grave. But it's probably no worse than butter....and did
    provide a usable fat to go with meat in Kosher households.

    That makes sense -- I read somewhere that, you should pardon the expression,
    lard, is healthier than butter.

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    It was also cost effective...because you got it free when you bought
    a chicken!

    Actually one of my main reasons for making it -- I didn't want to cook the
    chicken parts (legs) with the fat in and I couldn't bear to throw it out.

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    > OK, I saved all my lumps of chicken fat for a year, and now I have


    two

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    > mayonnaise jars full of schmaltz. What do I do next?
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    Lumps of chicken fat are not schmaltz - I assume you rendered it?


    It's

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    great for sauteing potatoes and is an essential ingredient for chopped
    liver.

    I put it in a pan of water and melted it slowly, chilled it until it
    solidified so I could remove the remaining water, then re-melted it and
    strained in through a coffee filter just in case.

    No onions? Oy.

    serene, whose mother would be shocked, shocked I tell you

    What would I know? My mother was an Episcopalian. I'll add the onions when I
    make it again next year.

  5. Jess Askin said:

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    [schmaltz]

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    No onions? Oy.

    serene, whose mother would be shocked, shocked I tell you

    What would I know? My mother was an Episcopalian. I'll add the onions when I
    make it again next year.

    You're a good child. Now call my mother.

    serene

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    [schmaltz]

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    No onions? Oy.

    serene, whose mother would be shocked, shocked I tell you

    What would I know? My mother was an Episcopalian. I'll add the onions when I
    make it again next year.

    You're a good child. Now call my mother.

    serene

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    OK, I saved all my lumps of chicken fat for a year, and now I have
    two mayonnaise jars full of schmaltz. What do I do next?

    It's been rendered, right? I use it in a lot of things but it's
    excellent for sauteing potatoes, mishagos and is a must in chopped
    liver. Sometimes


    I

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    use it on chicken thighs and drumsticks. I'll coat the chicken, toss
    on S&P and bake at 350 until done. Good stuff.

    Mishagos is a food? I know my cooking has sometimes been described as
    meshuganah, but I never knew what that meant.

    I don't know if it's Jewish or not. It's one of the dishes that is served
    at Pumpernickles Deli. I have it for breakfast sometimes. It's corned
    beef hash with hash browned style potatoes. It's a bit salty but tasty in
    the morning.

    Michael

  8. Jess Askin said:

    OK, I saved all my lumps of chicken fat for a year, and now I have two
    mayonnaise jars full of schmaltz. What do I do next?

    After a year, I would expect it to be rancid unless it was frozen. On the off
    chance that it is not, it would bring in up to 350° or so and then strain it
    through a coffee filter. After that I would freeze it in ice trays and store the
    cubes in your freezer. Use a cube to season a batch of early peas, green
    beans, corn collards or whatever. (I don't mess with chicken fat, but I do
    reheat and strain my bacon fat periodically, it does preserve it's taste.)

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  9. Sheldon said:


    Debra Fritz said:
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    The blintzes were always dairy because of the eggs in the blintz
    batter

    I understood that eggs are neutral, could be meat or dairy.

    Hmmmm...you could be right. Maybe it was just that my grandmother made
    them with either fruit or cheese...so they were dairy. The truth is,
    I've been away from Kosher for so many years, it's entirely possible
    that I've forgotten some stuff.

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    Potato Kugel

    Into a bowl grate 3 large potatoes, peeled, and squeeze them in 2
    batches in a tea towel to remove the moisture. In another bowl combine
    the potatoes with 1 onion and 1 small carrot, both grated, and toss the
    mixture with 1/2 cup flour, 2 eggs, lightly beaten, 3/4 teaspoon salt,
    and 1/4 teaspoon pepper. In an 8-inch pie tin render 3 tablespoons
    chicken fat, add the potato mixture, and smooth it with a spatula. Bake
    the kugel in a preheated moderately hot oven (375°F.) for 45 to 50
    minutes, or until it is golden. Serve the kugel cut into wedges.

    Serves 4 or 5.
    Gourmet
    ---


    Sheldon, you are a Prince. I was thinking about asking if you had a
    recipe for potato kugel....but got busy and forgot. Thank you 🙂🙂

    Debra

  10. Mi e' parso che Jess Askin abbia scritto:

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    Actually one of my main reasons for making it -- I didn't
    want to cook the chicken parts (legs) with the fat in and
    I couldn't bear to throw it out.

    While you were collecting fat bits, how did you store it:
    tupperware? In the fridge? In the freezer?
    TIA
    --
    Vilco
    Think Pink , Drink Rose'

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    Debra Fritz said:
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    The blintzes were always dairy because of the eggs in the blintz
    batter

    I understood that eggs are neutral, could be meat or dairy.

    Potato Kugel

    Into a bowl grate 3 large potatoes, peeled, and squeeze them in 2
    batches in a tea towel to remove the moisture. In another bowl combine
    the potatoes with 1 onion and 1 small carrot, both grated, and toss


    the

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    mixture with 1/2 cup flour, 2 eggs, lightly beaten, 3/4 teaspoon salt,
    and 1/4 teaspoon pepper. In an 8-inch pie tin render 3 tablespoons
    chicken fat, add the potato mixture, and smooth it with a spatula.


    Bake

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    the kugel in a preheated moderately hot oven (375°F.) for 45 to 50
    minutes, or until it is golden. Serve the kugel cut into wedges.

    Serves 4 or 5.
    Gourmet
    ---

    Sheldon

    Holy [censored] Sheldon, that sounds good!

    Why don't they bottle schmaltz and sell it in stores? I've been a
    skinless, boneless chicken breast man for years.

    Andy

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    After a year, I would expect it to be rancid unless it was frozen. On
    the off chance that it is not, it would bring in up to 350ø or so and
    then strain it through a coffee filter. After that I would freeze it
    in ice trays and store the cubes in your freezer. Use a cube to season
    a batch of early peas, green beans, corn collards or whatever. (I
    don't mess with chicken fat, but I do reheat and strain my bacon fat
    periodically, it does preserve it's taste.)

    Brick,

    I don't know schmaltz, but when I was about 10 years old, it was hot and
    I was thirsty. I opened the fridge and there was a tall glass bottle
    with liquid the color of tea. It was clear, didn't have any "bits" in it
    and no fat layer on top.

    I poured some into a glass and had a gulp. It wasn't tea!

    Andy

  13. Boron Elgar said:


    I remember my mom storing her schmaltz in may jars, but she used it
    often. We'd use it on sandwiches, the way some would use butter, but
    of course, you cannot put butter on a meat sammie. IT is less
    saturated than butter, too.

    OH! I remember...we'd spread a very thin bit on matzoth & sprinkle it
    with salt. Yum.

    Boron

    Do you mean to say that you never cut a nice slice of seeded Jewish
    Rye off the loaf of bread, rubbed some fresh garlic on it and then
    fried it in goose fat? With or without a sprinkle of salt and
    pepper, it was delicious. If you had some cooked goose liver to put
    on top, it was almost heaven. My husband introduced me to that delicacy.

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    > OK, I saved all my lumps of chicken fat for a year, and now I have two
    > mayonnaise jars full of schmaltz. What do I do next?

    1. Add some chicken skin,
    2. Render out the fat
    3. Get everyone out of the house
    4. Enjoy the grbenes.

    There goes my diet.


    Schmaltz is NOT health food!! It probably helped a lot of people into
    an early grave. But it's probably no worse than butter....and did
    provide a usable fat to go with meat in Kosher households.

    It was also cost effective...because you got it free when you bought
    a chicken!

    Debra

    Please in those days it was pronounced TZICKN'

    ;-)

    Dimitri

  15. Yes, eggs are pareve. They can go with dairy or meat. I don't recall
    ever seeing meat blintzes. Plus I don't remember them being coooked in
    anything except butter and most of the time (almost always) they were
    served with sour cream, both of which make them dairy.

    -bwg

  16. I think they do (or used to), at least in some stores in NYC. I could
    be wrong -- it's been nearly 30 years.

    -bwg

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    Yes, eggs are pareve. They can go with dairy or meat. I don't recall
    ever seeing meat blintzes. Plus I don't remember them being coooked in
    anything except butter and most of the time (almost always) they were
    served with sour cream, both of which make them dairy.

    -bwg

    I stand corrected. As I said, it's been a long, long time since I
    lived in a Kosher house. I just remember that when we had blintzes, it
    was alwayse a "milchik" (sp) meal.

    Debra

  18. Meshugaas means nonsense or craziness. A meshuganah is a crazy person.

    -bwg

  19. On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:10:40 GMT, "Dimitri" <[email hidden]>

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    Please in those days it was pronounced TZICKN'

    ;-)

    Dimitri

    ROTFLMAO- Yep! And in those days, my Grandmother went to the " Chicken
    Store"..where there were live chickens..and she picked out the one she
    wanted...and it was killed on the spot.

    I remember her telling me to sit on the floor and play with the
    chickens - they were in cages- so I didn't see into the back through
    the wall cut out. It was there so customers could see the man killing
    the chicken with one swipe of the knife...which is the Kosher way.

    I was probably 6 or 7 before I figured out what was going on...and I
    stopped eating chicken for a few years.

    Debra

  20. Andy said:


    Why don't they bottle schmaltz and sell it in stores?

    They do.

    Sheldon

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