Rttc was bloody AUK;

[triddletree]

Richard wrote:
> triddletree wrote:
>
>> Richard wrote:
>>
>>> triddletree wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>> I don't think you can call a concern about 12-year olds being
>>>> permitted to race on major trunk roads amongst heavy commercial and
>>>> holiday traffic a prejudice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, with no knowledge of the statistics of the risk to that child in
>>> that activity, you're not pre-judging the issue? (that'd be a
>>> pre-judice, by the way).
>>
>>
>> So its impossible to have a concern about anything without having a
>> whole raft of statistics to back it up?
>
>
> I didn't say that. I said that if you don't have the statistics, then
> any concerns you do have are prejudices, by definition.

Sorry, I don't do pedantry.

tt

 

[Richard]

triddletree wrote:

>>>>> I don't think you can call a concern about 12-year olds being
>>>>> permitted to race on major trunk roads amongst heavy commercial and
>>>>> holiday traffic a prejudice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, with no knowledge of the statistics of the risk to that child in
>>>> that activity, you're not pre-judging the issue? (that'd be a
>>>> pre-judice, by the way).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So its impossible to have a concern about anything without having a
>>> whole raft of statistics to back it up?
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't say that. I said that if you don't have the statistics, then
>> any concerns you do have are prejudices, by definition.
>
>
> Sorry, I don't do pedantry.

Or, it appears, basic English comprehension.

R.

 

[triddletree]

Richard wrote:
> triddletree wrote:
>
>>>>>> I don't think you can call a concern about 12-year olds being
>>>>>> permitted to race on major trunk roads amongst heavy commercial
>>>>>> and holiday traffic a prejudice.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, with no knowledge of the statistics of the risk to that child
>>>>> in that activity, you're not pre-judging the issue? (that'd be a
>>>>> pre-judice, by the way).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So its impossible to have a concern about anything without having a
>>>> whole raft of statistics to back it up?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't say that. I said that if you don't have the statistics,
>>> then any concerns you do have are prejudices, by definition.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, I don't do pedantry.
>
>
> Or, it appears, basic English comprehension.


*plonk*

tt

 

[MartinM]

Douglas Steel wrote:

> Maybe TT's should start having penalties for averaging over 30mph
> as well (over a challenging course) ?

South Ealing to Stow on the Wold YH?

 

[Simon Brooke]

in message <[email protected]>, Arthur Clune
('[email protected]') wrote:

> wafflycat wrote:
>>
>> Indeed personal bests are not the main reason.
>> Primary is *fun* as he enjoys his sport
>> Secondary is it's a healthy exercise
>> Thirdly are his own personal improvements over time - be it
>> improvements in personal fitness or personal best times on any given
>> course he rides on
>
> That's why I ride TT's as well. Although it's not always obvious I
> really like TT'ing.

Me too.

--
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[Simon Brooke]

in message <[email protected]>,
MartinM ('[email protected]') wrote:

> Arthur Clune wrote:
>> wafflycat wrote:
>> >
>> > Indeed personal bests are not the main reason.
>> > Primary is *fun* as he enjoys his sport
>> > Secondary is it's a healthy exercise
>> > Thirdly are his own personal improvements over time - be it
>> > improvements in personal fitness or personal best times on any given
>> > course he rides on
>>
>> That's why I ride TT's as well. Although it's not always obvious I
>> really like TT'ing. It's just the CTT drives me mad.
>
> I really dislike TT ing because it is elitist; if you can't go sub 5 on
> a 25 they look at you as if you're wasting their time (and write it up
> in big red letters too). I've even had clubmates apologise on my behalf
> and finish controls go home before I got there. Nothing like many other
> types of competitive sport where they welcome all abilities. Good for
> fitness though if you can put up with all of that.

Well, don't do it with that club, then. That's no way to behave. I can't
even break thirty minutes on a ten - but I enjoy trying, and no-one in
my club would even think of trying to make me look small because of it.

--
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[wafflycat]

"Simon Brooke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> in message <[email protected]>,
> MartinM ('[email protected]') wrote:
>

>>
>> I really dislike TT ing because it is elitist; if you can't go sub 5 on
>> a 25 they look at you as if you're wasting their time (and write it up
>> in big red letters too). I've even had clubmates apologise on my behalf
>> and finish controls go home before I got there. Nothing like many other
>> types of competitive sport where they welcome all abilities. Good for
>> fitness though if you can put up with all of that.
>
> Well, don't do it with that club, then. That's no way to behave. I can't
> even break thirty minutes on a ten - but I enjoy trying, and no-one in
> my club would even think of trying to make me look small because of it.
>

Wot he sed. Change club!

Cheers, helen s

 

[MartinM]

wafflycat wrote:

> Wot he sed. Change club!
>
> Cheers, helen s

it's more regional thing than a club; I do very little TTing now
anyway, I just think the SE is fiercely competitive, I hope the remarks
were in good humour (the finish control was still there, he said he
would have gone home but only stayed when my clubmate told me I would
be very late in) , just not what you want to hear after throwing all
you've got (not much in my case) into a 50 mile TT. Anyway it was 5
years ago, my last season of open events and an era I'm glad to have
left behind, having seen the AUK light.

Most Audax rides I do I'm in the top 1/3 of finishers (not that it's a
race). If there was anything like that spread of ablilities in TTing
I'd do more of it. Coming last is no fun ;-(

 

[Mike K Smith]

MartinM wrote:

> it's more regional thing than a club; I do very little TTing now
> anyway, I just think the SE is fiercely competitive, I hope the remarks
> were in good humour (the finish control was still there, he said he
> would have gone home but only stayed when my clubmate told me I would
> be very late in) , just not what you want to hear after throwing all
> you've got (not much in my case) into a 50 mile TT. Anyway it was 5
> years ago, my last season of open events and an era I'm glad to have
> left behind, having seen the AUK light.

I rode a few club TTs in the past, just to gauge my fitness as a
hairy-legged CTC rider against the local racing lads.

They gave me some grief the first time I showed up, but I went along
again the next week, and took the mudguards and pannier rack off that time.

I don't think I broke 28-30 for a 10 in three seasons, but the courses
were what would be regarded as sporting, if not scenic, these days.

I rode one evening 25 and as I came up to the start I asked the
timekeeper if he'd brought his cocoa with him. Since I was first man
away I don't think I was too much after the others finishing.

 

[MartinM]

Mike K Smith wrote:


> I rode a few club TTs in the past, just to gauge my fitness as a
> hairy-legged CTC rider against the local racing lads.
>
> They gave me some grief the first time I showed up, but I went along
> again the next week, and took the mudguards and pannier rack off that time.
>
> I don't think I broke 28-30 for a 10 in three seasons,

I've yet to break my first 10 time of 27.50 (pathetic by SE standards)
I will be doing my club's evening ones prior to La Marmotte, and maybe
some unofficial ones of my own.

 

[Simon Brooke]

in message <[email protected]>,
MartinM ('[email protected]') wrote:

> wafflycat wrote:
>
>> Wot he sed. Change club!
>>
>> Cheers, helen s
>
> it's more regional thing than a club; I do very little TTing now
> anyway, I just think the SE is fiercely competitive, I hope the remarks
> were in good humour (the finish control was still there, he said he
> would have gone home but only stayed when my clubmate told me I would
> be very late in) , just not what you want to hear after throwing all
> you've got (not much in my case) into a 50 mile TT. Anyway it was 5
> years ago, my last season of open events and an era I'm glad to have
> left behind, having seen the AUK light.
>
> Most Audax rides I do I'm in the top 1/3 of finishers (not that it's a
> race). If there was anything like that spread of ablilities in TTing
> I'd do more of it. Coming last is no fun ;-(

I almost invariably come last. The fun is - getting out on the bike;
having a crack with your mates, doing better than you did the week
before. Here are my results for one of our courses for last year:

<URL:http://www.stewartry-wheelers.org/wheelers/resultsearch?Team=1&Start=Craignair%20Bridge>

And as you can see, I improved every time I rode it. OK, so I was slowest
pretty much every time. But I was getting better.

--
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[MartinM]

Simon Brooke wrote:
> in message <[email protected]>,
> MartinM ('[email protected]') wrote:
>
> > wafflycat wrote:
> >
> >> Wot he sed. Change club!
> >>
> >> Cheers, helen s
> >
> > it's more regional thing than a club; I do very little TTing now
> > anyway, I just think the SE is fiercely competitive, I hope the remarks
> > were in good humour (the finish control was still there, he said he
> > would have gone home but only stayed when my clubmate told me I would
> > be very late in) , just not what you want to hear after throwing all
> > you've got (not much in my case) into a 50 mile TT. Anyway it was 5
> > years ago, my last season of open events and an era I'm glad to have
> > left behind, having seen the AUK light.
> >
> > Most Audax rides I do I'm in the top 1/3 of finishers (not that it's a
> > race). If there was anything like that spread of ablilities in TTing
> > I'd do more of it. Coming last is no fun ;-(
>
> I almost invariably come last. The fun is - getting out on the bike;
> having a crack with your mates, doing better than you did the week
> before. Here are my results for one of our courses for last year:
>
> <URL:http://www.stewartry-wheelers.org/wheelers/resultsearch?Team=1&Start=Craignair%20Bridge>
>
> And as you can see, I improved every time I rode it. OK, so I was slowest
> pretty much every time. But I was getting better.

I'm getting worse; I'm detemined not to go over 30 mins, last one I
rode was 29.59, too close for comfort (although the fastest on that
course for me was only about 28.20)

Here is my fastest 25, 1.09.35. That earnt a lot of... well not even
sympathy, just "I'll pretend I haven't seen that time!" but I did enjoy
it.

http://www.addiscombe.org/nontext/timetrialing/Open25/Dcp_0306.jpg
http://www.addiscombe.org/nontext/timetrialing/Open25/Dcp_0319.jpg

I'm sure someone will come along in a minute and tell me about my
riding position etc; I got tri bars (free) a couple of weeks later,
made a bit of difference but still got slower; they went in the skip
when I changed the frame.