road kill

Simon Brooke said:

Bring back the wolf, I says. And I'm not joking.

There was an article about that on the bbc news site :-

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I suspect that they would either be shot by farmers, run
over or catch nasty domestic dog diseases though.

--
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- Dorothy L. Sayers, _Five Red Herrings_

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Bring back the wolf, I says. And I'm not joking.

There was an article about that on the bbc news site :-

news.bbc.co.uk2065794.stmOpen ↗

I suspect that they would either be shot by farmers, run
over or catch nasty domestic dog diseases though.

It would give the local hunt a bit of a shock...

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After you've
been crapped on a few times by a large herring gull, you'd probably be
willing to ring their necks one by one :-/

Eh? How many necks do your gulls have? If you've got hydras
flapping about the place & crapping on your head its
probably a good idea to leave 'em at it and be thankful that
thats all they're doing.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Graeme said:

At first we thought it might be a possum as there
was so much noise.

Any wildlife in your loft will mean tremendous noise.
Whoever coined the phrase "quiet as a mouse" obviously had
never lived under them.

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 07:13:16 GMT, Graeme
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I should be alright, Kahn being an old Anglo Saxon name
after all.

What? Old Genghis was Anglo-Saxon was he?

Mr Prosser was certainly a direct descendant.

Guy
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in message <[email hidden]>, Mark McN

(') said:

Reply to Dave Kahn

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With my mother having the maiden name of Fleming, I'd be
stamping on my own head (I've tried it, I'm not that
flexible). :-)

I should be alright, Kahn being an old Anglo Saxon name
after all.

Anglo-Saxons? Normans? Romans?

Tchuh - late-comers, the lot of 'em... ;-)

Watch out though - the Romans were here before the Scots.
For very precise values of here, the Romans had come and
gone a thousand years before we became part of Scotland. But
then they were only here for about twenty years.

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Morning had broken, and we had run out of gas for
the welding torch.

David Martin [email hidden] opined the
following...

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Use the technique used for killing rats in the lab..

grab the tail where it exits the body and swing rapidly ,
bringing the neck in contact with a hard edge (top tube of
the bike would do.) This will break the neck and kill the
creature instantly.

I believe that a gas chamber is the preferred method of
killing large rodents in a lab according to the Home Office.
The technique that you describe is likely to result in the
loss of the tail and requires considerable accuracy. Try
attaching a conker to a length of string then swinging it in
a single heavy blow so that the area immediately behind the
conker impacts the top of the tube. Now imagine that the
weight is not so uniformly distributed and the conker is
capable of movement. I would strongly recommend that unless
you have experience of this or are prepared to use the heel
of boot / large rock on head technique, that you contact a
park ranger. Otherwise you may well increase the suffering
and will probably suffer nightmares for a while afterwards.

Jon

Mark South [email hidden] opined the following...

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Rats are humans biggest enemy after ourselves and viruses.
They are directly responsible for a large amount of 3rd
world poverty, destroying over 60% of crops produced, and
about doubling the cost of food production.

I think that Barclays Bank is probably responsible for a
greater proportion of 3rd world poverty. Perhaps if we
agreed to "drop the debt" and allow them to return to
subsistance farming, they could survive considerably better
than they do now.

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They also destroy biodiversity by waging relentless war on
birds, insects, and other mammals.

I think that for humans to criticise any animal for damaging
biodiversity is hypocrisy on a grand scale. Rabbits in
Australia? The Dodo? Smallpox? We don't hold a good track
record on leaving no mark.

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Kind of. They're like pigeons but they don't [censored] on
your head.

Yeah, but they pollute your food and your environment and
in some cases they spread airborne viruses that are fatal
to humans. Lovely chaps.

That description applies equally (If not more so) to humans.
Lovely chaps indeed.

Jon

Graeme [email hidden] opined the following...

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Sounds like the gull problem in Berwick Upon Tweed (and
probably many other coastal towns). The cull proposal is
raised every few years, and I think it does go ahead (but
has little effect). Round about these times the local
paper is full of soft hearted (& headed) wallies whining
about the sanctity of all life. These are probably the
same numpties who drop their fish and chips all over the
place which is one of the major factors in the gull
population explosion. After you've been crapped on a few
times by a large herring gull, you'd probably be willing
to ring their necks one by one :-/

Only if they were stunned. That's one vicious looking beak.

Jon

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:21:01 +0100, Jon Senior
<jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

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Only if they were stunned. That's one vicious looking beak.

<Whoop!> <Whoop!> Parrot Sketch Alert!

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Jon Senior <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote in
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Only if they were stunned.

True, they're not as dosey as your common or garden pigeon
which are generally so stupid that they will feed from
crumbs directly beneath your feet. Anyone so minded could
flatten one (not that I have).

Going back a little, grey squirrels are pretty dense too. In
the Botanic Gardens in Edinburgh you can crouch down and
wiggle your fingers as if you have food and they'll come
running to feed out of your hand. Personally, I stopped
falling for that trick weeks ago!

Graeme

"Mark South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Daniel Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Mark South said:

Just toe the party line and there won't be any
trouble. Start your chant now:

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"Death to helmet wearers, death to pavement cyclists,
death to red-light jumpers, death to squirrels, death
to buzzards, death to shops that don't allow bikes,
death to the BBC, death to motorists, death to
children, death to safer cycling courses, death to
everyone else that got left out accidentally."

Just for reference, you missed bibshort wearers, users
of sub-£200 bikes, disc brakes that don't require a
second mortgage, and pedestrians. Also anyone who posts
to uk.transport or exceeds speed limits (there may be
overlap in those last two groups)

Those were the "everyone else that got left out
accidentally" :-)

There was a time, not so long ago, when the list looked
as if it would also have to include people on non-
recumbent bikes.

You forgot football fans ;-)

Peter Clinch said:

A pal of mine is a Parkie, and she regularly distresses the
more sensitive kids on school visits by describing grey
squirrels along the lines of "rat with good PR".

I had a very brief race today with a rat whose PR is done
by Max Clifford and Saatchi and Saatchi in combination -
aka a rabbit.

James

"Jon Senior" <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote in message
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Mark South [email hidden] opined the following...

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Rats are humans biggest enemy after ourselves and
viruses. They are

directly

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responsible for a large amount of 3rd world poverty,
destroying over 60% of crops produced, and about
doubling the cost of food production.

I think that Barclays Bank is probably responsible for a
greater proportion of 3rd world poverty. Perhaps if we
agreed to "drop the debt" and allow them to return to
subsistance farming, they could survive considerably
better than they do now.

The rats would not care. They'd carry on destroying 60% of
crops and damaging the rest in storage.

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They also destroy biodiversity by waging relentless war
on birds, insects,

and

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other mammals.

I think that for humans to criticise any animal for
damaging biodiversity is hypocrisy on a grand scale.
Rabbits in Australia? The Dodo? Smallpox? We don't hold a
good track record on leaving no mark.

No, we don't. And spreading rats is a lot worse than
introducing Rabbits to Oz was.

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Kind of. They're like pigeons but they don't [censored] on
your head.

Yeah, but they pollute your food and your environment
and in some cases they spread airborne viruses that are
fatal to humans. Lovely chaps.

That description applies equally (If not more so) to
humans. Lovely chaps indeed.

I've already given you a list to chant of humans that need
to be knocked off.
--
Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen

Mark South [email hidden] opined the following...

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The rats would not care. They'd carry on destroying 60% of
crops and damaging the rest in storage.

So you use the money to build better stores. That solves one
problem. Presumably we must have a similar problem in the
developed world, yet we don't starve!

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I think that for humans to criticise any animal for
damaging biodiversity is hypocrisy on a grand scale.
Rabbits in Australia? The Dodo? Smallpox? We don't hold
a good track record on leaving no mark.

No, we don't. And spreading rats is a lot worse than
introducing Rabbits to Oz was.

But on a par with our ability to commit genocide. Smallpox
is significant because if the small stocks currently held in
research labs are destroyed it'll be the first time that
humanity has intentionally destroyed a species, as apposed
to not looking where we tread.

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That description applies equally (If not more so) to
humans. Lovely chaps indeed.

I've already given you a list to chant of humans that need
to be knocked off.

In another thread? I think I know the one. I just think it's
dangerous to criticise animals for doing similar things to
man without simultaneously acknowledging our contributions.

Jon

On 13/6/04 1:21 pm, in article [email hidden],

Jon Senior' jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk said:

I believe that a gas chamber is the preferred method
of killing large rodents in a lab according to the
Home Office.

I'll remember to order one for the bike then.. DO shimano do
a lightweight Dura-Ace version of the rodent gas chamber ;-)

The personal method of choice would be the big rock, picking
up a vicious wee beastie is definitely a last resort.

..d

On 13/6/04 8:13 am, in article
[email hidden], "Graeme"

Quoted message said:

What? Old Genghis was Anglo-Saxon was he? That explains
the stroppy attitude of some English football supporters
then :-)

Natural selection.

Over the last 2000 years Britain has carefully selected
it's immigrants from those most able to invade, rape,
pillage and so on.

Is it surprising that these traits are then revealed under
the duress of the continuing European war by another name.

..d

"Jon Senior" <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Mark South [email hidden] opined the following...

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The rats would not care. They'd carry on destroying 60%
of crops and

damaging

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the rest in storage.

So you use the money to build better stores. That solves
one problem.

Do you know how hard/expensive it is to build a rodent-
proof store?

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Presumably we must have a similar problem in the developed
world, yet we don't starve!

Now you've made me hungry.

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Quoted message said:

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I think that for humans to criticise any animal for
damaging biodiversity is hypocrisy on a grand scale.
Rabbits in Australia? The Dodo? Smallpox? We don't
hold a good track record on leaving no mark.

No, we don't. And spreading rats is a lot worse than
introducing Rabbits to

Oz

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was.

But on a par with our ability to commit genocide. Smallpox
is significant because if the small stocks currently held
in research labs are destroyed it'll be the first time
that humanity has intentionally destroyed a species, as
apposed to not looking where we tread.

But if it makes some people aware that we are walking on
eggs that's a good thing.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That description applies equally (If not more so) to
humans. Lovely chaps indeed.

I've already given you a list to chant of humans that
need to be knocked

off.

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In another thread? I think I know the one. I just think
it's dangerous to criticise animals for doing similar
things to man without simultaneously acknowledging our
contributions.

There are two sides to the situation, but you find yourself
firmly on one of them and it's difficult to change sides at
this stage :-)
--
"Mango sorbet is clearcut proof that we have progressed
beyond the bare needs of survival and have progressed to the
transcendant."
- Marc Goodman in talk.bizarre

David Martin [email hidden] opined the
following...

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I'll remember to order one for the bike then.. DO shimano
do a lightweight Dura-Ace version of the rodent gas
chamber ;-)

You haven't seen it? GC-7800. It's not very efficient
mind, what with all the holes Shimano drilled in it to
reduce the weight.

Jon

Graeme said:

Dave Kahn <[email hidden]> wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:

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I should be alright, Kahn being an old Anglo Saxon name
after all.

What? Old Genghis was Anglo-Saxon was he? That explains
the stroppy attitude of some English football
supporters then :-)

In fact my surname comes from a Polish Shtetl. Kahan,
Kaplan, Cohen and even Schiff are variations on the same
name. In some areas where people were largely illiterate
they would hang signs outside their houses to identify
themselves. The Kahns would naturally display a boat as
"Kahn" coincidentally means "boat" in German. They probably
felt that an upgrade to ship was good for their social
standing. On my mother's side (parents' names Keay and
Hammond) my roots are in Lincolnshire and lowland Scotland.

--
Dave...

Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live. -
Mark Twain