Ritalin Helps Beat Cancer Fatigue

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Ritalin Helps Beat Cancer Fatigue
Mon Dec 15, 7:00 PM ET

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...1216/hl_acs/ritalin_helps_beat_cancer_fatigue

The drug methylphenidate -- more commonly known as Ritalin (news - web
sites), Concerta, Metadate, or Methylin -- can help cancer patients fight
off fatigue, according to researchers from M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in
Houston. The best effect comes from taking small doses throughout the day,
they report in the Journal of Clinical Oncology (Vol. 21, No. 23:
4439-4443).

Most patients with advanced cancer will experience fatigue, a symptom that
can destroy quality of life. Although the fatigue sometimes stems from
anemia and improves with increases in blood counts, most often there is no
specific cause and no ready treatment.

Methylphenidate is typically prescribed for ADHD, or attention
deficit/hyperactivity disorder, but it has been used, with some success, to
treat cancer fatigue. In this study, the researchers wanted to better
document this success by measuring symptom improvement through the use of
specially designed questionnaires.

Patients Felt Better Physically and Emotionally

The researchers enrolled 30 patients with advanced cancer and fatigue; the
participants were given a one-week supply of 5-mg methylphenidate tablets
and told to take them as needed for fatigue. After 7 days they had the
option of stopping the medication or continuing for 3 more weeks. All the
patients reported that the drug helped and all chose to continue taking it.


The researchers also found other evidence that the drug was helping. At the
beginning of the study, the patients rated their fatigue on a 0-10 scale,
with 10 being the worst. The average was 7.2. After 28 days of
methylphenidate, their fatigue level had dropped to 4.4.


The patients also reported less depression and greater physical and
emotional well-being. When the researchers measured patient fatigue during
the day, they noted a drop from morning to evening as the effects of that
day's treatment took hold.

Side Effects Minor

Side effects weren't a big problem. Two patients reported restlessness. Two
others reported a loss of appetite, although most actually found their
appetites improved.


The authors acknowledge that bigger studies are needed to understand why
methylphenidate works, how long it remains effective, and how long it can
safely be taken. But they were encouraged by the clear-cut benefit of the
drug in improving both the fatigue and the quality of life of these
patients.
 
>Subject: Re: Ritalin Helps Beat Cancer Fatigue
>From: "JG" [email protected]
>Date: 12/16/2003 8:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <kiRDb.1624$%[email protected]>
>
>"Marciosos6 Probertiosos6" <[email protected]> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> (Please repost for jan to read. She MUST know this!)

>
>> Ritalin Helps Beat Cancer Fatigue
>> Mon Dec 15, 7:00 PM ET

>
>>

>
>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1434&ncid=1434&e=2&u=/acs

/20031216/hl_acs/ritalin_helps_beat_cancer_fatigue
>
>...Imagine that, a stimulant helping beat fatigue!


Poor Mark.

He doesn't know why people drink coffee.

>What'll they think
>of next?!? <g> When are they gonna test meth, or crack?
>

Journal of Clinical Oncology (Vol. 21, No. 23: 4439-4443).

Organized medicine pushing drugs.

Right up Mark's brain washed alley.

Jan
 
"JG" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Marciosos6 Probertiosos6" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
> > (Please repost for jan to read. She MUST know this!)

>
> > Ritalin Helps Beat Cancer Fatigue
> > Mon Dec 15, 7:00 PM ET

>
> >

>

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...1216/hl_acs/ritalin_helps_beat_cancer_fatigue
>
> ...Imagine that, a stimulant helping beat fatigue! What'll they think
> of next?!? <g> When are they gonna test meth, or crack?


They are addictive at just about any doseage, so MPH is far preferable,
since it is not addictive at the doseages that werre administered.
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Ritalin Helps Beat Cancer Fatigue
> >From: "JG" [email protected]
> >Date: 12/16/2003 8:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <kiRDb.1624$%[email protected]>
> >
> >"Marciosos6 Probertiosos6" <[email protected]> wrote in
> >message news:[email protected]...
> >> (Please repost for jan to read. She MUST know this!)

> >
> >> Ritalin Helps Beat Cancer Fatigue
> >> Mon Dec 15, 7:00 PM ET

> >
> >>

> >
> >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1434&ncid=1434&e=2&u=/acs

> /20031216/hl_acs/ritalin_helps_beat_cancer_fatigue
> >
> >...Imagine that, a stimulant helping beat fatigue!

>
> Poor Mark.
>
> He doesn't know why people drink coffee.
>
> >What'll they think
> >of next?!? <g> When are they gonna test meth, or crack?
> >

> Journal of Clinical Oncology (Vol. 21, No. 23: 4439-4443).
>
> Organized medicine pushing drugs.
>
> Right up Mark's brain washed alley.


Jan, again, denies a REAl disease and its problems. She denies a person's
right to seek effective treatment, since it involves pharmaceuticals.
 
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:52:32 GMT, "JG" <[email protected]> wrote:

>...Imagine that, a stimulant helping beat fatigue! What'll they think
>of next?!? <g> When are they gonna test meth, or crack?


LOL!



Atlas
 
"Marciosos6 Probertiosos6" <[email protected]> wrote
> > ...Imagine that, a stimulant helping beat fatigue! What'll they think
> > of next?!? <g> When are they gonna test meth, or crack?

> They are addictive at just about any doseage, so MPH is far preferable,
> since it is not addictive at the doseages that werre administered.


The article didn't say that. Instead, it said:

After 7 days they had the option of stopping the medication or
continuing for 3 more weeks. All the patients reported that the
drug helped and all chose to continue taking it.

It sounds like they were all addicted.
 
Atlas <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:52:32 GMT, "JG" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>...Imagine that, a stimulant helping beat fatigue! What'll they think
>>of next?!? <g> When are they gonna test meth, or crack?

>
> LOL!
>
>
>
>Atlas


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In article <Cl%[email protected]>,
Roger Schlafly <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Marciosos6 Probertiosos6" <[email protected]> wrote
>> > ...Imagine that, a stimulant helping beat fatigue! What'll they think
>> > of next?!? <g> When are they gonna test meth, or crack?

>> They are addictive at just about any doseage, so MPH is far preferable,
>> since it is not addictive at the doseages that werre administered.

>
>The article didn't say that. Instead, it said:
>
> After 7 days they had the option of stopping the medication or
> continuing for 3 more weeks. All the patients reported that the
> drug helped and all chose to continue taking it.
>
>It sounds like they were all addicted.


Only in Schlafly-land. To me, it sounds like the meds were working
and they decided to stick with 'em. No doubt, had you been part of
the study, you would have said "gee, these are working but I'm
afraid that's addiction" and taken a pass.

Sure you would.

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"David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote
> > After 7 days they had the option of stopping the medication or
> > continuing for 3 more weeks. All the patients reported that the
> > drug helped and all chose to continue taking it.
> >It sounds like they were all addicted.

> Only in Schlafly-land. To me, it sounds like the meds were working
> and they decided to stick with 'em. No doubt, had you been part of
> the study, you would have said "gee, these are working but I'm
> afraid that's addiction" and taken a pass.


It is common for addicts to deny that they are addicted. Note that
every single one wanted to stay on ritalin.
 
"Roger Schlafly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Marciosos6 Probertiosos6" <[email protected]> wrote
> > > ...Imagine that, a stimulant helping beat fatigue! What'll they think
> > > of next?!? <g> When are they gonna test meth, or crack?

> > They are addictive at just about any doseage, so MPH is far preferable,
> > since it is not addictive at the doseages that werre administered.

>
> The article didn't say that. Instead, it said:
>
> After 7 days they had the option of stopping the medication or
> continuing for 3 more weeks. All the patients reported that the
> drug helped and all chose to continue taking it.
>
> It sounds like they were all addicted.


Can you read? They *chose* to continue. The doseages were not addictive, and
the med was taken orally. So far, no one has ever shown that oral MPH is
addictive.
 
"Roger Schlafly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote
> > > After 7 days they had the option of stopping the medication or
> > > continuing for 3 more weeks. All the patients reported that the
> > > drug helped and all chose to continue taking it.
> > >It sounds like they were all addicted.

> > Only in Schlafly-land. To me, it sounds like the meds were working
> > and they decided to stick with 'em. No doubt, had you been part of
> > the study, you would have said "gee, these are working but I'm
> > afraid that's addiction" and taken a pass.

>
> It is common for addicts to deny that they are addicted. Note that
> every single one wanted to stay on ritalin.


Twit. They were not denying anything.

There i sno mention of them being asked if they were addicted.

What they were enjoying was the ability to function all over again.

When it hits your home, you wil understand it.
 
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:37:08 GMT, "Roger Schlafly"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>It is common for addicts to deny that they are addicted. Note that
>every single one wanted to stay on ritalin.


Yep. Typical for a Ritalin addict.



Atlas
 
"JG" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Roger Schlafly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > "Marciosos6 Probertiosos6" <[email protected]> wrote
> > > I am making the following assumptions, which, are reasonable to

> rational
> > > people: ...

>
> > You are also assuming that the subjects were not addicted. Maybe
> > they were and maybe they weren't. The study only says that they
> > all failed to get off the drugs when given the opportunity.

>
> Yes. Effectiveness and addiction are separate issues. There's nothing
> in the report that allows anyone to exclude the possibility that those
> given Ritalin became addicted (under any definition of the word) to it.


And nothing to suggest that they did.


> > You tried to draw conclusions about ritalin not being addictive.
> > The opposite conclusion is more likely.

>
> I agree. There's *nothing* to indicate that the users weren't addicted,
> and, while the fact they (all!) chose to continue taking it isn't proof
> of addiction, it, at least, can be used to support that conclusion.


Hmmmm...... I wonder if I should do something about all those patients I
have addicted to blood pressure and cholesterol pills.

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"Roger Schlafly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "JG" <[email protected]> wrote
> > I agree. There's *nothing* to indicate that the users weren't addicted,
> > and, while the fact they (all!) chose to continue taking it isn't proof
> > of addiction, it, at least, can be used to support that conclusion.

>
> Mark can read just about any ritalin study, and conclude that it
> shows that ritalin is not addictive. Well, it doesn't show that.
> All the studies are consistent with the notion that ritalin is addictive.


OK- show them.

(Keep in mind the criteria I outlined in another post a few minutes ago.

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"Roger Schlafly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Marciosos7 Probertiosos7" <[email protected]> wrote
> > Ritalin is NOT addictive when taken as prescribed. Ritalin IS addictive

> when
> > abused.

>
> The scientologists would probably say that ritalin is nearly always

abused.
>
> (I started to say "always", but maybe they would say that ritalin is ok
> for the hiccups. I don't think that hiccups are caused by nuked space

alien
> ghost infestations, but maybe someone will correct me. <g>)


Lack of requested references noted.

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"Roger Schlafly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Marciosos7 Probertiosos7" <[email protected]> wrote
> > Note the low doseage of the medication.
> > And, note that "[n]o serious side effects were reported." AFAIAC

addiction
> > is a serious side effect.

>
> Addiction wasn't reported because they didn't even look for it. They just
> noted that:
>
> "All patients chose to continue taking methylphenidate after 7 days of
> treatment."


Lack of requested references noted again.

Good think Mark isn't holding his breath.

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"Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > By his definition you are addicted to any medication - in deed any
> > substance - that you choose to ingest.
> >
> > --
> > CBI, MD

>
>
> Any suggestions for my detoxing off losartan potassium?
>
> ;o) Rich


You'll have to take it up with our resident addiction expert. I don't think
it is necessarily a problem that you choose to take it every day despite
having the opportunity not to.

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"PF Riley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> >It is common for addicts to deny that they are addicted. Note that
> >every single one wanted to stay on ritalin.

>
> You are such a moron.


It is also common for people who are morons not to realize that they are.


> Ask your mother if she's addicted to Ritalin. She'll say she's not.
> Therefore, she is, by your logic.


I'll bet he also denies beating his children.

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Marciosos6 Probertiosos6 wrote:

> "JG" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>(Please repost for jan to read. She MUST know this!)

>>
>>>Ritalin Helps Beat Cancer Fatigue
>>>Mon Dec 15, 7:00 PM ET

>>

> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...1216/hl_acs/ritalin_helps_beat_cancer_fatigue
>
>>...Imagine that, a stimulant helping beat fatigue! What'll they think
>>of next?!? <g> When are they gonna test meth, or crack?

>
>
> They are addictive at just about any doseage, so MPH is far preferable,
> since it is not addictive at the doseages that werre administered.
>


WRT your statement that methamphetamine is addictive at just about any
dosage: Are you talking about street meth or pharmaceutical
methamphetamine (Desoxyn)?

Are there studies that you know of showing Desoxyn is addictive when
taken as prescribed (for ADHD or narcolepsy) and not abused by taking
more than the prescribed amount or by injecting or snorting it?


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