On Jun 5, 9:56 pm, marc <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
> > marc <[email protected]>typed
>
> >> Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
> >>> marc <[email protected]>typed
>
> >>>> tyres were
> >>>>>> bald or brand new. It's a question of ice on the road."
>
> >>>>>> It's looking very shoddy so far, day one of a four-person inquest and
> >>>>>> he's already directing the jury toward accidental death with
> >>>>>> contributory negligence to the victims for having the temerity to
> >>>>>> go out.
>
> >>>>>> *******.
>
> >>>>>> Tony B
> >>>>> Agreed, blatant leading. A defective car travelling too fast kills
> >>>>> four people and the authorities imply blame on the victims
> >>>>> for....being there.
>
> >>>> Too fast for what?
> >>> Too fast to hold the road on a frosty morning, with fatal results.
>
> >>> It is hardly surprising thay ice forms when temperatures drop below
> >>> freezing point. Travelling at 50mph on a bendy road in ice, then blame
> >>> the victims or the council. This attitude STINKS!
>
> >> So eveyone agrees that the road was icy, dangerous, it wasn't
> >> suprising that there was ice on the road? Would it be fair then to ask
> >> , why was a club using a dangerous road, covered in ice?
> >> The inquest is to find out what happened, not to crucify drivers or
> >> salve concsiences.
>
> >> What does stink is people forming lynch mobs before the legal processes
> >> are finished.
>
> > The victims did not fail to control their vehicles. The driver did.
> > Please do not blame the victims.
>
> A number of drivers that morning had difficulty controlling their
> vehicles, if the club run had reached the same spot, Im sure that they
> would have done also, the only difference that I can see is that one
> driver lost control at the same time that the space that was needed to
> regain control was occupied.
>
> If the road was dangerous, every road user was as much to "blame" for
> using it, or was not to blame because they coudn't have known, that
> includes the police driver , the club captain, and Robert Harris.
>
> What hasn't been decided is , was the road dangerous?
Let us assume for a moment that it was forseeable that the road was
icy to the extent that a wheeled vehicle could expect to risk losing
traction at some point for soem distance. In that case then other
drivers who travelled at a speed that meant that if they loast
control, then their vehicle would represent a danger to other usets
are equally culpable regardless of the outcome. The degree of
culpability would vary with speed, handling characteristics under low
or no traction, visibility and sightlines at a given point (it would
be more reasonable to proceed with a greater chance of loss of control
if it could be seen that there was no other road user present to be
affected by a loss of control), vehicle mass and probably some other
similar factors. In crude terms, car drivers (unless traveling at
extremely low speed) presented a greater danger to other road users
that cyclists traveling at typical cycling speeds.
If you mean that the club captain could or should have anticipated
that other road users would be negligent or incompetent in their risk
assessments and or driving strategies for the day then that is
possible (given the first assumption) but cannot make him culpable for
the outcome
best wishes
james
