Rhyl Inquest Continues...

[Simon Brooke]

in message <[email protected]>, p.k.
('[email protected]') wrote:

> Simon Brooke wrote:
>>
>> Which means that we, as electors, have to tell our politicians to
>> tell our police chiefs that it has to stop.
>
> Simon:
>
> You said yesterday:
>
> "It's no good passing a test if you drive dangerously the next day (as
> most do). The penalty for driving dangerously has to be at minimum a long
> ban, ...."
>
> And in reply to a question:
>
> "> Have you ever driven dangerously?
>
> Yes."
>
>
> Have you done to yourself what you ask politicians and the law to do to
> others and forsworn driving as you are a dangerous driver?

No.

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[email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

Due to financial constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel
has been switched off.

 

[p.k.]

Simon Brooke wrote:
>>
>>
>> Have you done to yourself what you ask politicians and the law to do
>> to others and forsworn driving as you are a dangerous driver?
>
> No.

And neither have I.

I've lost control on black ice twice.

First time 30 years ago, in the middle of the day on the A66. Pootling along
at 60mph, I suddenly found myself pirouetting along the carriageway. Crossed
the central (grass only) reservation and ending up in the "fastlane" of the
opposite carriageway pointing to whence I had come. I pulled over to the
side, got out and fell flat on my face - the WHOLE road was sheet ice.

Second time, 15 years ago on boxing day, middle of the day again, very cold
but dry roads and no ice. Went to the DiY store, drove back, trundled slowly
into my street and went sideways across the road. I did not know that while
I had been in the diy store there had been a very brief rain shower, the
main road was gritted and ice free my side street was sheet (black) ice as
the rain had hit the ground and frozen instantly, there was no indication
anywhere that there had been rain.

In either case had there been a pedestrian, cyclist or other car in my way I
would have been helpless to avoid them.

I don't think it wise of you to be so condemnatory about others and
circumstances of which you have very partial information, particularly when
you have chosen not to apply the same standards to yourself.

pk

 

[The other view point, there is one you know...]

On 23 Jun, 20:52, M-gineering <[email protected]> wrote:
> Andrew Price wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:24:23 +0100, Tony Raven
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Cummon, its only a minor misdemeanor after all. Its not like he killed
> >> anyone that matters. ;-^(
>
> > Which is what the court would appear to confirm:
>
> > "Driver Robert Harris was fined £180 with £35 costs last August and
> > given six points on his licence after admitting having defective
> > tyres."
>
> > As a foreign observer, I'm just amazed by the leniency of that
> > judgement. Is it typical of UK courts?
>
> It seems they have a different set of priorities: you get eight weeks
> imprisonment for eating spaghetti (and being a foreigner?) while
> managing not to hit anyone.
>
> --
> /Marten
>
> info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

It was whilst driving a lorry, and he was caught red splodges on him.

Though you would have been glad that the police are tacking a strong
line on drivers not concentrating on the road...

If Harris had been eating or on the mobile whilst the incident
happened, it would have been completely different story as you know.

Catching motorists is very much lucky on the police part these days, i
seem to recall reading that drink driving is on the increase
again...maybe due to no traffic cops around, all speed cameras, which
only seems to be 30% of accidents due to speed, too much of course but
the other 70%?

 

[The other view point, there is one you know...]

On 23 Jun, 23:43, Helen Deborah Vecht <[email protected]> wrote:
> Andrew Price <[email protected]>typed
>
> > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:24:23 +0100, Tony Raven
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >Cummon, its only a minor misdemeanor after all. Its not like he killed
> > >anyone that matters. ;-^(
> > Which is what the court would appear to confirm:
> > "Driver Robert Harris was fined £180 with £35 costs last August and
> > given six points on his licence after admitting having defective
> > tyres."
> > As a foreign observer, I'm just amazed by the leniency of that
> > judgement. Is it typical of UK courts?
>
> It is typical of many cases which result in death or serious injury to
> cyclists; that influences much group thinking round here.
>
> --
> Helen D. Vecht: [email protected]
> Edgware.

it is a Law problem, all over the place punishments are no longer a
deterrent, so don't think it's just at the expense of cyclist. Most
have no choice in the way the become victims.

Read about the 10 year old, and the man who did bad thing to her, and
read what the judge said...

I can sit her and point out hundreds of completely unsuitable
punishments for for crimes or offences etc, so don't think your hard
done by as a cyclist, it what you chose to do and when you cycle and
where you cycle, you don't have to be one. Get on the bus if you want
to be green.

 

[Helen Deborah Vecht]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/6240476.stm

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Helen D. Vecht: [email protected]
Edgware.