Recumbent Urination

harv said:

Many years ago when I would ride local back roads, there were very few cars to be seen even on
rides of several hours. Once though, I was riding with a friend and we stopped on what had been a
deserted road, to water a roadside phone pole. I think ten cars drove by. Must not be too much to
do out in the boonies.

My wife has been riding for many years and has never shied away from making roadside pit stops. In
my part of the world where one sees corn for miles and miles, it's generally not a problem; you just
duck into the corn and the problem is solved. However, one nice Fall day after the corn had been
harvested, my wife had to make a stop and instructed me to keep a sharp lookout.

You can figure out the rest of the story. We were in a slight dip in the road and I was looking east
and this car came along and I turned just in time to see a full moon aimed at a car load of young
lads and...

-dennis

harv said:

Many years ago when I would ride local back roads, there were very few cars to be seen even on
rides of several hours. Once though, I was riding with a friend and we stopped on what had been a
deserted road, to water a roadside phone pole. I think ten cars drove by. Must not be too much to
do out in the boonies.

I find myself stopping to dehydrate after fifteenor twenty miles with my Tour Easy. Didn't have
enough rides of any real distance on the old schwinn to tell if there's a difference for me.

(O.T.) The subject of witnesses brings a story to mind. Some yearss back a friend and I were working
an exterior house painting gig as contractors. One nice day came up a rain and we decided to
take in a film at the local multiplex. After the film, as we started to get into my beat up old
work van Jason (my friend) realized he urgently needed to 'de-hydrate' and figured if he hid
beside the van no one would notice, even though the parking lot had quite a few people entering
and leaving the multi. We were on one side of the lot, so he could have some privacy. And he
would have been right if I hadn't pulled off once he had a good stream going! Left him standing
there facing the crowd...'dehydrating'.

I did back up again rather quickly, we both had tears in our eyes laughing so hard as we
left the area.

Mike Rice

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Glad you brought up the Camelbak. Whenever I ride and drink water from a plastic bike bottle or
Camelbak, or Platypus, I urinate QUITE frequently. If I drink water from a clear plastic bottle
like Evian's, the problem is not there....

Most water bottles are made from high-density polyethylene (HDPE) or low-density polyethylene
(LDPE), while bottled water containers are generally polyethylene terephthalate (PET or PETE). I
have not seen any markings on hydration bladders themselves, but the tubing is almost identical
to potable water grade polyvinyl chloride (PVC) tubing. Most of these materials are not
completely inert and will have some solubility in water.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Correct. Almost all plastics contain a "plasticizers" (sounds redundant)that leaches out into
anything that touches it. PVC is nasty all by itself. Teflons(PTFE) and silicones don't need to
have these chemicals. Silicones are cured either with platinum, or...damn I forgot the other
method.I have good luck with the PETE and PET bottles, and merely refill them with water from my
reverse osmosis dealy in the kitchen.

I used to re-use PETE bottles until I read that worn PETE bottles may also leach nasty
petrochemicals into your water which is why they are not recommended for reuse. Aluminum or Poly
Propylene PP#5 (eg. Rubbermaid) appear to be safest & 'plastic' taste-free bottles.

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Niteynite1 said:

Darn! I thought this was a religious thread about recumbant Unitarians.

Oops!

Unitarians accept all bicycle configurations as being valid.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

I am a Seventh Day Ecumenical, myself.

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Niteynite1 said:

Darn! I thought this was a religious thread about recumbant Unitarians.

Oops!

Unitarians accept all bicycle configurations as being valid.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

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I am a Seventh Day Ecumenical, myself.

Trike itatarian here.
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Robert Siegel said:

I am a Seventh Day Ecumenical, myself.

Really, I'm a Seven Day Adbentist.

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Robert Siegel scribed with passion and wit:

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I am a Seventh Day Ecumenical, myself.

Trike itatarian here.

or even trike itarian. (I need a holiday)
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: Really, I'm a Seven Day Adbentist.

Do people think there really is a relation between bents and religion?

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Dennis Tresenriter <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Really, I'm a Seven Day Adbentist.

Do people think there really is a relation between bents and religion?

Riding a recumbent bicycle is a religion, you heathen! 😉

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

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Dennis Tresenriter <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Really, I'm a Seven Day Adbentist.

Do people think there really is a relation between bents and religion?

Bents are a religion!

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Dennis Tresenriter <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Really, I'm a Seven Day Adbentist.

Do people think there really is a relation between bents and religion?

Hmmm, my attempt at humor must have been lost in the electrons.

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Dennis Tresenriter <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Really, I'm a Seven Day Adbentist.

Do people think there really is a relation between bents and religion?

Hmmm, my attempt at humor must have been lost in the electrons.

I thought it was funny.

Back to urination, there is absolutely no reason to be uncomfortable while riding a recumbent. You
can make an external catheder with a little piece of tubing. You can buy an external catheder but
you can easily make your own. I used part of a rubber bulb and some plastic tubing from the hardware
store. For winter, my long tights are so old and worn that luckily there is a small hole behind the
left leg but high enough up that it is in a good place for a small amount of plastic tubing to hang
down in front of the seat.

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If I am riding with a group I usually don't feel like asking everybody else to stop and wait for me,
so I can go to the back and right so I'm not in somebody's mirror. There will be a telltale wet
streak on the road behind you but I doubt anybody will notice.

Here is my external catheder:

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I think I can safely skip detailed instructions on how to use it, right?

As I said, why spoil an otherwise enjoyable ride by being uncomfortable when it is so easy to pee on
the fly. Obviously, I'm just talking to the guys here. By the way, I mentioned this at another
bulletin board and somebody was offended by the suggestion.

Byron

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: Back to urination, there is absolutely no reason to be uncomfortable while riding a recumbent. You
: can make an external catheder with a little piece of tubing. You can buy an external catheder but
: you can easily make your own.

Hmm now I can see this could improve my century times...

If there is a pee stop every 2 hours, it takes 3 minutes on the average and the average speed is 20
km/h, then this means we can gain a ( 3 / 120 ) * 20 = 0.5 km/h speed increase from this.

: uncomfortable when it is so easy to pee on the fly. Obviously, I'm just talking to the guys here.
: By the way, I mentioned this at another bulletin board and somebody was offended by the
: suggestion.

Maybe it could be made to work for girls as well, at least in an upright position... Offended by
exactly which suggestion?

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yes definitely on the higher bottom bracket bikes, I noticed it right off myself on a vrex. don't
notice it on a BikeE. ,. as someone else had mentioned the legs in relation to the body causes it,
the leg elevation causes it, it causes the fluids to pool out of the legs and into the bladder,
after going through the kidneys of course!

its also a technique that is used with people that have problems with their bladder filling up at
night, and over filling the bladder causes damage and complications, the method is to elevate your
legs a couple hours before bedtime , this will help get the fluid into your bladder , and you can
than empty it before going to sleep...sometimes the night medications they give the injured can
weaken the pee signals to the brain and you wont wake up and result is a way to full bladder in the
am I know I have damage to the peripheral nerves of the spinal cord which caused a neurogenic
bladder and have been through over 6000 catherizations, luckily after 2 years my bladder started
working pretty normally again.. so I know its not from not totally emptying the bladder since I did
that with a tube up the ! another common problem that causes frequent peeing is urine retention,
which is not being able to completely empty the bladder........ but this has nothing to do with
bottom bracket.... certain medications that contain ephedrine contribute to this plus others, what
happens is you always have 100ml or 200ml left over in you bladder after you pee, the sphincter
muscle in the bladder becomes weakened from the medication.. therefore you have to pee more often
since the normal nerves will signal the brain you goota pee at about 350 to 400ml. constant holding
of the bladder past 600ml is bad for you... really! I know more about the bladder than I ever wanted
to know and now you do too. most doctors aren't up on it either unless they are urologist that
specialize in spinal cord injuries and rehabilitation, or a good sci nurse will know!

For what it is worth, I doubt if this problem has anything to do with blood flow, blood pressure, or
kidney excretion. My guess is that the middle age men experiencing this phenomenon (at least I don't
think I read any female posts concerning this) are applying pressure to their prostate causing this
sense of urgency.

John

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Oh yes, indeed. I though it was just me as well, since I've had 2+ years

of

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sugery and BCG (intra-bladder chemo), treatments for bladder cancer. However, even after over six
months without a treatment or other symptoms,

I

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still experience extreme urgency when 'bent riding. It doesn't occur at other times or during
other forms of exertion. It must have something to do with the recumbent position and more rapid
processing of fluids. Recumbent cyclists are such a small demographic that are experiencing the
phenomenon, that we'll probably never see an actual medical study on it. And no, I've had quite
enough of catheters to even consider THAT as an option, thank you very much!

Byron Simms

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Recently, a gentleman send a letter to Recumbent Cyclist News about a phenomenon that he has
noticed: the increased need for (productive) urination while riding a recumbent that disappears
when not riding a recumbent. I, too, have noticed this in my 6,000+ miles on recumbents. I find
that I have to stop every 45 minutes or so and that sensation of needing to stop starts after
only about 25 minutes. Again, it is productive of a normal amount of urine when I stop so and I
don't notice this phenomenon in other aerobic activity or when not riding a recumbent. I do not
drink alot of fluids when I ride (though I know that I should). I am not diabetic and do not
seem to have prostate problems. As far as ergonomics go, I have noticed this on my Rans Tailwind
and now on my Rans Velocity Squared. I would be interested in knowing if this is a widespread
phenomenon or not and if anyone knows what causes it. Thank-you in advance for your assistance.

Sincerely,

Bob

John said:

For what it is worth, I doubt if this problem has anything to do with blood flow, blood pressure,
or kidney excretion. My guess is that the middle age men experiencing this phenomenon (at least I
don't think I read any female posts concerning this) are applying pressure to their prostate
causing this sense of urgency.

I was one who posted earlier about experiencing more frequent urination stops on a recumbent
as opposed to my uprights. I'm reposting to let you know that I don't have a prostate; it's
been removed.

Next theory.

-dennis in central illinois

Dennis Tresenriter Central Illinois

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Dennis Tresenriter <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Really, I'm a Seven Day Adbentist.

Do people think there really is a relation between bents and religion?

Hmmm, my attempt at humor must have been lost in the electrons.

I thought it was funny.

Back to urination, there is absolutely no reason to be uncomfortable while riding a recumbent. You
can make an external catheder with a little piece of tubing. You can buy an external catheder but
you can easily make your own. I used part of a rubber bulb and some plastic tubing from the
hardware store. For winter, my long tights are so old and worn that luckily there is a small hole
behind the left leg but high enough up that it is in a good place for a small amount of plastic
tubing to hang down in front of the seat.

math.msu.eduwc.jpgOpen ↗

If I am riding with a group I usually don't feel like asking everybody else to stop and wait for
me, so I can go to the back and right so I'm not in somebody's mirror. There will be a telltale
wet streak on the road behind you but I doubt anybody will notice.

Here is my external catheder:

math.msu.eduec.jpgOpen ↗

I think I can safely skip detailed instructions on how to use it, right?

As I said, why spoil an otherwise enjoyable ride by being uncomfortable when it is so easy to pee
on the fly. Obviously, I'm just talking to the guys here. By the way, I mentioned this at another
bulletin board and somebody was offended by the suggestion.

Byron

Bryon,

That's a great idea and I'll build one for myself for rides during the winter when the cold seems to
speed up the process even more so!!!

By the way, a company does make a device for a woman to use that allows similar results. I won't go
into details here, but if anyone wants info, email me off line.

Slow Joe

Why not a setup similar to that used by flyers in Europe during World War One? A leather/rubber
contraption to fasten to one's self for in flight elimination.

One of the reasons for "echelon" formation flying. So one wouldn't irrigate buddies behind one.

Gave new meaning to the phrase "golden showers."

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John said:

For what it is worth, I doubt if this problem has anything to do with blood flow, blood pressure,
or kidney excretion. My guess is that the middle age men experiencing this phenomenon (at least I
don't think I read any female posts concerning this) are applying pressure to their prostate
causing this sense of urgency.

I was one who posted earlier about experiencing more frequent urination stops on a recumbent as
opposed to my uprights. I'm reposting to let you know that I don't have a prostate; it's been
removed.

Next theory.

-dennis in central illinois

Dennis Tresenriter Central Illinois

also another debunk the prostrate theory , enlarged prostrate only causes retention, not more
production of urine or you bladder filling up quicker. prostrate causes difficulity in totally
emptying the bladder, known as urine retention. the same thing ependrine and other medications can
cause but by a different method location. prostrate is located near the spincter muscle of the
bladder, when it enlarges it restricts the flow by pressing against the uretha , causing a weak
stream or dribble of urine.. ephendrine can causes inability to relax the splincter in the bladder
to open to be able to pee. ..