Recumbent Urination

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Do you suppose there might be a way to use a hydration pack hooked up in sort of a reverse fashion
to increase the range between stops?

Frequent stopper, jd

I've thought about that on a number of uncomfortable occasions. My big concern is that I would get
confused Denny in Sayre, Pa "Bent but not Broken"

Early biplane-era pilots had similar problem. Solved by fitting a bit of tubing alongside seat and
exiting the rear end.

Earliest airborne version of "golden showers." HI HI!

J.Davis said:

Do you suppose there might be a way to use a hydration pack hooked up in sort of a reverse fashion
to increase the range between stops?...

See <http://www.stadiumpal.com/>. For disposal of waste without stopping, see <chiefairc-chiefairc-Open ↗
raft.com/cgi-bin/hazel.cgi?action=serve&item=/Aircraft/Accessories/ReliefTube.html>. This device
"Provides suction to outlet tubes and horn for ejection."

There was a long discussion on this topic on a.r.b.r. several years ago.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Hi everyone. I am new to this forum and have never posted before. This one interested me because I thought all along it was just me. I am 50 years old, have no prostrate or urination issues. That is untill I get on my Quetzal recumbent then it seems I have to go all the time. I do drink a lot of water while riding, ( I'll empty a 100 oz camelback a couple of times on a 90 k ride) but I drink a lot of water at other times too. ( Always have, I'm not diabetic or anything)
Definitly something about the riding position

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Bob Slebodnik said:

Recently, a gentleman send a letter to Recumbent Cyclist News about a phenomenon that he has
noticed: the increased need for (productive) urination while riding a recumbent

I noticed that on my very first recumbent ride. I even mentioned it on my loooong report to the
MARS mailing list (see list.marsride.orgwa.exeOpen ↗)

And yes, it still happens. I have to control my fluid intake a lot more carefully when
riding a bent.

Yes I too have experienced the same phenomenon: need to releive myself after less than an hour of
riding. Raises a question about the need for a new product I dub the "Camel Front". You have your
Camel Back for hydration, and now the Camel Front for dehydration. The problem with just relieving
yourself in the woods or on some lonely back road
is: your never sure if and when someone with a small child will wiz by and have you arrested for
wiz-ing in public. I know it sounds paranoid but stranger things have happened. I usually kayak
once a week, if the weather is not too cold and solve the problem with a wide mouth Coleman
plastic camp bottle. With the spray skirt on , who's to know? We need something analagous for
the bent experience!

Gene

Another health benefit of bents - regularity! No fiber supplements necessary. Bent-a-mucil.

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you might be on to something Denny, I do think it has something to do with the legs churning
higher up, for me though, it brings on the old
#2! I'm real careful not to eat right before riding now.

Denny Voorhees said:

I've noticed it also. When I first went over to the Vrex from a BikeE, it was URGENT urination.
I applied the rule that "anywhere can be a bathroom", many times. The problem has pretty much
gone away after the first year with the 'Rex. I now ride a Giro. I do believe there is a more
frequent urination thing happening. It is not of the URGENT nature I experienced that first
season on the Vrex, more than 10,000 miles ago. I think it may be due to the SWB, perhaps having
the legs higher is a contributor. Then again maybe its just old age manifesting itself in some
new and exciting way.. Denny in Sayre, Pa "Bent but not Broken"

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Quoted message said:

Recently, a gentleman send a letter to Recumbent Cyclist News about a phenomenon that he has
noticed: the increased need for (productive) urination while riding a recumbent that disappears
when not riding a recumbent. I, too, have noticed this in my 6,000+ miles on recumbents. I find
that I have to stop every 45 minutes or so and that sensation of needing to stop starts after
only about 25 minutes. Again, it is productive of a normal amount of urine when I stop so and I
don't notice this phenomenon in other aerobic activity or when not riding a recumbent. I do not
drink alot of fluids when I ride (though I know that I should). I am not diabetic and do not
seem to have prostate problems. As far as ergonomics go, I have noticed this on my Rans Tailwind
and now on my Rans Velocity Squared. I would be interested in knowing if this is a widespread
phenomenon or not and if anyone knows what causes it. Thank-you in advance for your assistance.

Sincerely,

Bob

"Tom Sherman" skrev...

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See <http://www.stadiumpal.com/>. For disposal of waste without stopping, see

<chiefaircraft.comhazel.cgiOpen ↗
tml>.

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This device "Provides suction to outlet tubes and horn for ejection."

We had something similar in some of the older polish gliders when I flew those. A rubber cup and a
hose leading outside. Once one of the pilots had flown a long time and had too much coffee and
decided to use this excellent system. I guess he forgot it in the preflight check tho cause the
tube was blocked. So he had to balance the cup and contents all the way back to the field and
while landing.

Beats the one who flew a more modern type where you were recumbent in a sort of plastic tub. He had
really to go and eventually he couldn't hold it back anymore and the tub ensured it soaked his back.
He then landed out on a field somewhere and the farmer comes up and chats with him. At some point
the farmer then remarks "Wow, you sure sweat a lot in those things." To which the poor pilot had to
mumble some affirmative noises.

M.

Gene Cosloy said:

Yes I too have experienced the same phenomenon: need to releive myself after less than an hour of
riding. Raises a question about the need for a new product I dub the "Camel Front". You have your
Camel Back for hydration, and now the Camel Front for dehydration....

Catheter/collection bag devices are available commercially.

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The problem with just relieving yourself in the woods or on some lonely back road
is: your never sure if and when someone with a small child will wiz by and have you arrested for
wiz-ing in public. I know it sounds paranoid but stranger things have happened....

At my old cycling club, one member used to sing arias while relieving himself. One time while doing
so at a very small rural park, a young adolescent girl happened to ride by. He had his back to the
road, but I believe that she understood what was happening. 😉

Quoted message said:

I usually kayak once a week, if the weather is not too cold and solve the problem with a wide
mouth Coleman plastic camp bottle. With the spray skirt on , who's to know? We need something
analagous for the bent experience!

A bodysock or a hard-shell fairing would provide sufficient privacy.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

"Gene Cosloy" skrev...

Quoted message said:

Yes I too have experienced the same phenomenon: need to releive myself after less than an hour of
riding. Raises a question about the need for a new product I dub the "Camel Front". You have your
Camel Back for hydration, and now the Camel Front for dehydration.

Better make the two tubes _very_ easy to tell apart. ;-)

M

Gene Cosloy <[email hidden]> wrote:
: for hydration, and now the Camel Front for dehydration. The problem with just relieving yourself
: in the woods or on some lonely back road
: is: your never sure if and when someone with a small child will wiz by and have you arrested for
: wiz-ing in public. I know it sounds paranoid but stranger things have happened.

Hmm, many people who tour by car have the same problem, though dunno if it's really a problem, could
be rather culture dependent?

On roads I stagger some meters into the woods/ditch to have at least some privacy... our roads often
tend to have some traffic. Even if you are riding flat practically woodless Dutch countryside, there
probably is some suitable place (I wonder how Central European land owners would feel about somebody
urinating on their land though?), and those can be found in our nearly urban settings too, though
not that easily (another good argument for having some woods in the city).

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Quoted message said:

"Gene Cosloy" skrev...

Quoted message said:

Yes I too have experienced the same phenomenon: need to releive myself after less than an hour of
riding. Raises a question about the need for a new product I dub the "Camel Front". You have your
Camel Back for hydration, and now the Camel Front for dehydration.

Better make the two tubes _very_ easy to tell apart. ;-)

M

So who here is prepared to shove a tube up their japseye and into their bladder before a ride?
--
Ian

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John <[email hidden]> wrote:
: One of the reasons I tried out a recumbent was because of frequent urination on a df. I found out
: that the problem was worse, but everything else was so much better that I've never gone back. John

Maybe one has to just find the sweet spot for fluid balance? Take regular sips of fluid, maybe
something like a half mouthful every second km or so... easy with a bladder-style hydration system.
Experiment and see what's best for you...

The conclusion could be that one just has to pay more attention to it on a bent. Last summer I rode
100 km (and the same route back next day), and I didn't experience it as a problem, though I
probably stopped slightly more frequently than with the upright. Earlier in the summer I could ride
for two hours straight on the upright with no need for a stop (as part of a longer ride) - comes
from training/experience.

A rule of thumb states that if your pee is colourless, you are properly hydrated. When we reach that
state we could slightly decrease the amount of hydration and see if that works well. Also note that
riding in cold weather could reduce sweating and increase urination - less drinking needed for the
balance...

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Bob.Thanks for the post. I have been wondering about the same issue and thought it might just be me.
I find that on the bent after about 15miles or so, I have to pee so bad it just can't wait (on my
usual route I have a particular rock I stop by over the past year to go and I'm not sure but I think
it has grown and inch or so). I notice that on cold days (last couple of rides) it seems to happen
in less miles. And it doesn't matter that I go twice before I ride to try and get it all out. On DF
I have never had nor do I have this problem. In fact I can even overcome it on the DF but no the
bent. Of course the down side is I don't drink as much, hoping that the urge won't come. I know it's
not old age, my plumbing works fine and I don't take any medication. So my thinking is it has to be
bent related. Sure would be interesting to get an expert opinion on the matter. Is there a doctor in
the house? Dom.

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Quoted message said:

Recently, a gentleman send a letter to Recumbent Cyclist News about a phenomenon that he has
noticed: the increased need for (productive) urination while riding a recumbent that disappears
when not riding a recumbent. I, too, have noticed this in my 6,000+ miles on recumbents. I find
that I have to stop every 45 minutes or so and that sensation of needing to stop starts after only
about 25 minutes. Again, it is productive of a normal amount of urine when I stop so and I don't
notice this phenomenon in other aerobic activity or when not riding a recumbent. I do not drink
alot of fluids when I ride (though I know that I should). I am not diabetic and do not seem to
have prostate problems. As far as ergonomics go, I have noticed this on my Rans Tailwind and now
on my Rans Velocity Squared. I would be interested in knowing if this is a widespread phenomenon
or not and if anyone knows what causes it. Thank-you in advance for your assistance.

Sincerely,

Bob

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Quoted message said:

Hi everyone. I am new to this forum and have never posted before. This one interested me because I
thought all along it was just me. I am 50 years old, have no prostrate or urination issues. That
is untill I get on my Quetzal recumbent then it seems I have to go all the time. I do drink a lot
of water while riding, ( I'll empty a 100 oz camelback a couple of times on a 90 k ride) but I
drink a lot of water at other times too. ( Always have, I'm not diabetic or anything) Definitly
something about the riding position

Glad you brought up the Camelbak. Whenever I ride and drink water from a plastic bike bottle or
Camelbak, or Platypus, I urinate QUITE frequently. If I drink water from a clear plastic bottle like
Evian's, the problem is not there. I have also successfully used those aluminum bottles that are
coated inside(www.sierratraders.com). They work well in this regard, but one can't squeeze them to
get the water out )^: Currently prototyping a tubing system like the camelbak that uses a bottle
instead. Food grade silicone tubing and stainless steel fittings. I suppose the ride position could
be a factor, but doesn't explain the riding days that I use a "safe" container to drink from. (I
thought it was just me!)

--rorschandt May all beings be happy. May they be joyous and live in safety. All living beings,
whether weak or strong, in high or middle or low realms of existence, small or great, visible or
invisible, near or far, born or to be born, Let no one deceive another, nor despise any being in
any state; Let none by anger or hatred wish harm to another. Even as a mother at the risk of her
life watches over and protects her only child, so with a boundless mind should one cherish all
living things,

I cannot recall experiencing this problem and I'm 75. I never use a camelback or similar device, 90%
commercial bottled water and occasionally tap-filled polar "insulated" bottles.
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Dan Burkhart <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Hi everyone. I am new to this forum and have never posted before. This one interested me because
I thought all along it was just me. I am 50 years old, have no prostrate or urination issues.
That is untill I get on my Quetzal recumbent then it seems I have to go all the time. I do drink
a lot of water while riding, ( I'll empty a 100 oz camelback a couple of times on a 90 k ride)
but I drink a lot of water at other times too. ( Always have, I'm not diabetic or anything)
Definitly something about the riding position

Glad you brought up the Camelbak. Whenever I ride and drink water from a plastic bike bottle or
Camelbak, or Platypus, I urinate QUITE frequently. If I drink water from a clear plastic bottle
like Evian's, the problem is not there. I have also successfully used those aluminum bottles that
are coated inside(www.sierratraders.com). They work well in this regard, but one can't squeeze
them to get the water out )^: Currently prototyping a tubing system like the camelbak that uses a
bottle instead. Food grade silicone tubing and stainless steel fittings. I suppose the ride
position could be a factor, but doesn't explain the riding days that I use a "safe" container to
drink from. (I thought it was just me!)

--rorschandt May all beings be happy. May they be joyous and live in safety. All living beings,
whether weak or strong, in high or middle or low realms of existence, small or great, visible or
invisible, near or far, born or to be born, Let no one deceive another, nor despise any being in
any state; Let none by anger or hatred wish harm to another. Even as a mother at the risk of her
life watches over and protects her only child, so with a boundless mind should one cherish all
living things,

rorschandt said:

Glad you brought up the Camelbak. Whenever I ride and drink water from a plastic bike bottle or
Camelbak, or Platypus, I urinate QUITE frequently. If I drink water from a clear plastic bottle
like Evian's, the problem is not there....

Most water bottles are made from high-density polyethylene (HDPE) or low-density polyethylene
(LDPE), while bottled water containers are generally polyethylene terephthalate (PET or PETE). I
have not seen any markings on hydration bladders themselves, but the tubing is almost identical to
potable water grade polyvinyl chloride (PVC) tubing. Most of these materials are not completely
inert and will have some solubility in water.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

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Quoted message said:

rorschandt said:

Glad you brought up the Camelbak. Whenever I ride and drink water from a plastic bike bottle or
Camelbak, or Platypus, I urinate QUITE frequently. If I drink water from a clear plastic bottle
like Evian's, the problem is not there....

Most water bottles are made from high-density polyethylene (HDPE) or low-density polyethylene
(LDPE), while bottled water containers are generally polyethylene terephthalate (PET or PETE). I
have not seen any markings on hydration bladders themselves, but the tubing is almost identical to
potable water grade polyvinyl chloride (PVC) tubing. Most of these materials are not completely
inert and will have some solubility in water.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Correct. Almost all plastics contain a "plasticizers" (sounds redundant)that leaches out into
anything that touches it. PVC is nasty all by itself. Teflons(PTFE) and silicones don't need to have
these chemicals. Silicones are cured either with platinum, or...damn I forgot the other method.I
have good luck with the PETE and PET bottles, and merely refill them with water from my reverse
osmosis dealy in the kitchen.

-- Rorschandt May all beings be happy. May they be joyous and live in safety. All living beings,
whether weak or strong, in high or middle or low realms of existence, small or great, visible or
invisible, near or far, born or to be born, Let no one deceive another, nor despise any being in
any state; Let none by anger or hatred wish harm to another. Even as a mother at the risk of her
life watches over and protects her only child, so with a boundless mind should one cherish all
living things,

rorschandt said:

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Quoted message said:

rorschandt said:

Glad you brought up the Camelbak. Whenever I ride and drink water from a plastic bike bottle or
Camelbak, or Platypus, I urinate QUITE frequently. If I drink water from a clear plastic bottle
like Evian's, the problem is not there....

Most water bottles are made from high-density polyethylene (HDPE) or low-density polyethylene
(LDPE), while bottled water containers are generally polyethylene terephthalate (PET or PETE). I
have not seen any markings on hydration bladders themselves, but the tubing is almost identical
to potable water grade polyvinyl chloride (PVC) tubing. Most of these materials are not
completely inert and will have some solubility in water.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Correct. Almost all plastics contain a "plasticizers" (sounds redundant)that leaches out into
anything that touches it. PVC is nasty all by itself. Teflons(PTFE) and silicones don't need to
have these chemicals. Silicones are cured either with platinum, or...damn I forgot the other
method.I have good luck with the PETE and PET bottles, and merely refill them with water from my
reverse osmosis dealy in the kitchen.

Some have expressed concern over the chemicals that can leach out of PETE if used for long-term
potable water storage - though I must admit that I do reuse PETE bottles for drinking water.

Even glass is partially soluble (I remember using PTFE beakers for a particular experiment for that
very reason) and I suspect that even PTFE will be slightly soluble, though I would not be concerned
about using either for storage of potable liquids.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

I see that many of us suffer those Shakesperian moments...To pee or not to pee...It is indeed
fortunate that the local trial has several kybos because the trail sides are liberally covered with
poison ivy.

Many years ago when I would ride local back roads, there were very few cars to be seen even on rides
of several hours. Once though, I was riding with a friend and we stopped on what had been a deserted
road, to water a roadside phone pole. I think ten cars drove by. Must not be too much to do out in
the boonies.

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Quoted message said:

Recently, a gentleman send a letter to Recumbent Cyclist News about a phenomenon that he has
noticed: the increased need for (productive) urination while riding a recumbent that disappears
when not riding a recumbent. I, too, have noticed this in my 6,000+ miles on recumbents. I find
that I have to stop every 45 minutes or so and that sensation of needing to stop starts after only
about 25 minutes. Again, it is productive of a normal amount of urine when I stop so and I don't
notice this phenomenon in other aerobic activity or when not riding a recumbent. I do not drink
alot of fluids when I ride (though I know that I should). I am not diabetic and do not seem to
have prostate problems. As far as ergonomics go, I have noticed this on my Rans Tailwind and now
on my Rans Velocity Squared. I would be interested in knowing if this is a widespread phenomenon
or not and if anyone knows what causes it. Thank-you in advance for your assistance.

Sincerely,

Bob

Oh yes, indeed. I though it was just me as well, since I've had 2+ years of sugery and BCG
(intra-bladder chemo), treatments for bladder cancer. However, even after over six months without a
treatment or other symptoms, I still experience extreme urgency when 'bent riding. It doesn't occur
at other times or during other forms of exertion. It must have something to do with the recumbent
position and more rapid processing of fluids. Recumbent cyclists are such a small demographic that
are experiencing the phenomenon, that we'll probably never see an actual medical study on it. And
no, I've had quite enough of catheters to even consider THAT as an option, thank you very much!

Byron Simms

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Quoted message said:

Recently, a gentleman send a letter to Recumbent Cyclist News about a phenomenon that he has
noticed: the increased need for (productive) urination while riding a recumbent that disappears
when not riding a recumbent. I, too, have noticed this in my 6,000+ miles on recumbents. I find
that I have to stop every 45 minutes or so and that sensation of needing to stop starts after only
about 25 minutes. Again, it is productive of a normal amount of urine when I stop so and I don't
notice this phenomenon in other aerobic activity or when not riding a recumbent. I do not drink
alot of fluids when I ride (though I know that I should). I am not diabetic and do not seem to
have prostate problems. As far as ergonomics go, I have noticed this on my Rans Tailwind and now
on my Rans Velocity Squared. I would be interested in knowing if this is a widespread phenomenon
or not and if anyone knows what causes it. Thank-you in advance for your assistance.

Sincerely,

Bob