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  1. I'm getting ready for the transition from hard tail to full suspension (Heckler). I know for sure
    that I am going w/ the Fox Talus RL front shock, but I am a bit stumped on the rear. It seems that
    everyone has a different recommendation. One shop tells me that if I get anything other than the Fox
    Float RL I am wasting my money. Another shop says the same thing, only they recommend the 5th
    Element Air/coil.

    I am a Clydesdale (6'3"/235) with a lot of experience XC and a trip or two to Northstar and Mammoth
    each summer. I've read the reviews on mtbreview, but was also curious as to what people on the
    newsgroup have to say about their experiences... Thanks ahead of time!

  2. gohike said:

    Another shop says the same thing, only they recommend the 5th Element Air/coil.

    The 5th Element or a Manitou Swinger.

    --
    Matt

    Fear of a flat planet

  3. I like the performance of the 5th element on my Heckler ('03), but I had to send it in on a warranty within 4 months of getting it. The rebound damping ceased to function as it should have. I have since "heard" that may be a common issue with them. It worked very well before and since so...(no more worries?).

    Get the 400# spring for it, the 350# will likely not give you the set-up you will want. I am 6'3" @ 250 and the 400# with about half the range of preload gives me an 1 1/4" of sag (25% of the travel). Plento 'o folks dig the air 5th element shock as well (never ridden one myself). Good luck.

    K.

  4. "gohike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm getting ready for the transition from hard tail to full suspension (Heckler). I know for sure
    that I am going w/ the Fox Talus RL front shock, but I am a bit stumped on the rear. It seems that
    everyone has a different recommendation. One shop tells me that if I get anything other than the
    Fox Float RL I am wasting my money. Another shop says the same thing, only they recommend the 5th
    Element Air/coil.

    I am a Clydesdale (6'3"/235) with a lot of experience XC and a trip or two to Northstar and
    Mammoth each summer. I've read the reviews on mtbreview, but was also curious as to what people on
    the newsgroup have to say about their experiences... Thanks ahead of time!

    It depends what you want and how hard you ride. If you want a lockout, maybe you want to look at
    the LBS' Float RL. You say you're real experienced, so maybe you don't want the lockout - so don't
    get a Float RL.

    The 5th Element and Swinger shocks are SPV designs, no lockout because they're supposed to (at the
    very simplest) eliminate pedal bob, unless you're thrashing the ranks...something an experienced
    rider doesn't do.

    If I were 235 and rode anything more than a little bit hard, I'd get a coil shock...and the 5th
    element coil is a nice, and by all reports, effective design.

    It seems anymore that Fox, 5th E, and Romic are the only real choices in shock replacement. I
    understand the Romics to be better for harder riders, and you can decide between Fox and 5th by
    figuring to what you want the shock to do.

    Chris

  5. [email hidden] (gohike) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm getting ready for the transition from hard tail to full suspension (Heckler). I know for sure
    that I am going w/ the Fox Talus RL front shock, but I am a bit stumped on the rear. It seems that
    everyone has a different recommendation. One shop tells me that if I get anything other than the
    Fox Float RL I am wasting my money. Another shop says the same thing, only they recommend the 5th
    Element Air/coil.

    I am a Clydesdale (6'3"/235) with a lot of experience XC and a trip or two to Northstar and
    Mammoth each summer. I've read the reviews on mtbreview, but was also curious as to what people on
    the newsgroup have to say about their experiences... Thanks ahead of time!

    I find it highly amusing how all of the mtbr(e-tard) tools are touting the 5th element as some
    magical band-aid to the [censored] design of the santa crud hecklers and superlights. You can't make a
    silk purse out of a sow's ear. If you're that big, do yourself a favor if you haven't bought the
    santa crud yet, get a Ventana El Chamuco or Titus Locomoto.

    JD

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    I'm getting ready for the transition from hard tail to full suspension (Heckler). I know for
    sure that I am going w/ the Fox Talus RL front shock, but I am a bit stumped on the rear. It
    seems that everyone has a different recommendation. One shop tells me that if I get anything
    other than the Fox Float RL I am wasting my money. Another shop says the same thing, only they
    recommend the 5th Element Air/coil.

    I am a Clydesdale (6'3"/235) with a lot of experience XC and a trip or two to Northstar and
    Mammoth each summer. I've read the reviews on mtbreview, but was also curious as to what people
    on the newsgroup have to say about their experiences... Thanks ahead of time!

    I find it highly amusing how all of the mtbr(e-tard) tools are touting the 5th element as some
    magical band-aid to the [censored] design of the santa crud hecklers and superlights. You can't make a
    silk purse out of a sow's ear. If you're that big, do yourself a favor if you haven't bought the
    santa crud yet, get a Ventana El Chamuco or Titus Locomoto.

    JD

    So you're saying that Titus Locomoto was purposely DESIGNED to break. Or the buyers who bought them
    rode them beyond the DESIGN parameter. Of course it wasn't Titus fault that all the buyers had to
    wait for months to get a new frame because it was not a DESIGN problem.

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  7. If you are spending that sort of money on a frame can't you get a test ride with the two shocks,
    first off what you like is different from everybody else, and there is a fair difference in ride
    (I'm a we 140lb a would not touch a 5th after riding one, I have a Fox RL)

    Personally I would never by a frame / shock without a test ride ... unless it was cheap :-)

    Cheers

    Chris
    --
    ===========================================================

    Find him and kill him.

    UNLEASH THE HAMSTERS!

    mtb-bikes.commtb-bikes.com

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    I'm getting ready for the transition from hard tail to full suspension (Heckler). I know for
    sure that I am going w/ the Fox Talus RL front shock, but I am a bit stumped on the rear. It
    seems that everyone has a different recommendation. One shop tells me that if I get anything
    other than the Fox Float RL I am wasting my money. Another shop says the same thing, only they
    recommend the 5th Element Air/coil.

    I am a Clydesdale (6'3"/235) with a lot of experience XC and a trip or two to Northstar and
    Mammoth each summer. I've read the reviews on mtbreview, but was also curious as to what
    people on the newsgroup have to say about their experiences... Thanks ahead of time!

    I find it highly amusing how all of the mtbr(e-tard) tools are touting the 5th element as some
    magical band-aid to the [censored] design of the santa crud hecklers and superlights. You can't make
    a silk purse out of a sow's ear. If you're that big, do yourself a favor if you haven't bought
    the santa crud yet, get a Ventana El Chamuco or Titus Locomoto.

    JD

    So you're saying that Titus Locomoto was purposely DESIGNED to break.

    Where did I say the Locomoto was designed to break? Go back to mtbr(e-tards) dummy.

    JD

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    > I'm getting ready for the transition from hard tail to full


    suspension

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    > (Heckler). I know for sure that I am going w/ the Fox Talus RL


    front

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    > shock, but I am a bit stumped on the rear. It seems that everyone


    has

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    > a different recommendation. One shop tells me that if I get


    anything

    Quoted message said:
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    > other than the Fox Float RL I am wasting my money. Another shop


    says

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    > the same thing, only they recommend the 5th Element Air/coil.
    >
    > I am a Clydesdale (6'3"/235) with a lot of experience XC and a trip


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > two to Northstar and Mammoth each summer. I've read the reviews on mtbreview, but was also
    > curious as to what people on the newsgroup have to say about their experiences... Thanks
    > ahead of time!

    I find it highly amusing how all of the mtbr(e-tard) tools are touting the 5th element as some
    magical band-aid to the [censored] design of the santa crud hecklers and superlights. You can't
    make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. If you're that big, do yourself a favor if you haven't
    bought the santa crud yet, get a Ventana El Chamuco or Titus Locomoto.

    JD

    So you're saying that Titus Locomoto was purposely DESIGNED to break.

    Where did I say the Locomoto was designed to break? Go back to


    mtbr(e-tards) dummy.

    Quoted message said:


    JD

    You said the SC Hecklers and SL were [censored] designs. You recommended the Locomoto implying that it
    is a better design. Well it was such a superior design that they started breaking left and right.
    They finally recalled the bikes back after they realized they DESIGNED a bike that was prematurely
    breaking. It was great that they recalled the bikes. The problem was some had to wait as long as 6
    months to get a new frame.

    The locomoto might be a better suspension design then the SC, but I'll take any bike that wont' blow
    the riding season for me.

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    > > I'm getting ready for the transition from hard tail to full


    suspension

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > (Heckler). I know for sure that I am going w/ the Fox Talus RL


    front

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > shock, but I am a bit stumped on the rear. It seems that everyone


    has

    Quoted message said:
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    > > a different recommendation. One shop tells me that if I get


    anything

    Quoted message said:
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    > > other than the Fox Float RL I am wasting my money. Another shop


    says

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > the same thing, only they recommend the 5th Element Air/coil.
    > >
    > > I am a Clydesdale (6'3"/235) with a lot of experience XC and a trip


    or

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    Quoted message said:

    > > two to Northstar and Mammoth each summer. I've read the reviews on mtbreview, but was also
    > > curious as to what people on the newsgroup have to say about their experiences... Thanks
    > > ahead of time!
    >
    > I find it highly amusing how all of the mtbr(e-tard) tools are touting the 5th element as
    > some magical band-aid to the [censored] design of the santa crud hecklers and superlights. You
    > can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. If you're that big, do yourself a favor if you
    > haven't bought the santa crud yet, get a Ventana El Chamuco or Titus Locomoto.
    >
    > JD

    So you're saying that Titus Locomoto was purposely DESIGNED to break.

    Where did I say the Locomoto was designed to break? Go back to


    mtbr(e-tards) dummy.

    Quoted message said:


    JD

    You said the SC Hecklers and SL were [censored] designs.

    They are.

    Quoted message said:

    You recommended the Locomoto implying that it is a better design.

    It is.

    Quoted message said:

    Well it was such a superior design that they started breaking left and right.

    I've seen broken santa cruds.

    Quoted message said:

    They finally recalled the bikes back after they realized they DESIGNED a bike that was prematurely
    breaking. It was great that they recalled the bikes. The problem was some had to wait as long as 6
    months to get a new frame.

    There was a problem with the 2002 model that was remedied. Are you implying that the 2003 and 2004
    models are "designed to break"? Why don't you ask a few owners of the 2003 and 2004 models how many
    times they have broken their bikes?

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    The locomoto might be a better suspension design then the SC, but I'll take any bike that wont'
    blow the riding season for me.

    You're a real piece of work, aren't you? Like I said before, go back to mtbr(e-tards).

    JD

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    > > > I'm getting ready for the transition from hard tail to full


    suspension

    Quoted message said:

    > > > (Heckler). I know for sure that I am going w/ the Fox Talus RL


    front

    Quoted message said:

    > > > shock, but I am a bit stumped on the rear. It seems that


    everyone

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    has

    Quoted message said:

    > > > a different recommendation. One shop tells me that if I get


    anything

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    > > > other than the Fox Float RL I am wasting my money. Another shop


    says

    Quoted message said:

    > > > the same thing, only they recommend the 5th Element Air/coil.
    > > >
    > > > I am a Clydesdale (6'3"/235) with a lot of experience XC and a


    trip

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    or

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    > > > two to Northstar and Mammoth each summer. I've read the reviews


    on

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    > > > mtbreview, but was also curious as to what people on the


    newsgroup

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    > > > have to say about their experiences... Thanks ahead of time!
    > >
    > > I find it highly amusing how all of the mtbr(e-tard) tools are


    touting

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    > > the 5th element as some magical band-aid to the [censored] design of


    the

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    > > santa crud hecklers and superlights. You can't make a silk purse


    out

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    > > of a sow's ear. If you're that big, do yourself a favor if you haven't bought the santa
    > > crud yet, get a Ventana El Chamuco or


    Titus

    Quoted message said:
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    > > Locomoto.
    > >
    > > JD
    >
    > So you're saying that Titus Locomoto was purposely DESIGNED to


    break.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    Where did I say the Locomoto was designed to break? Go back to


    mtbr(e-tards) dummy.

    Quoted message said:


    JD

    You said the SC Hecklers and SL were [censored] designs.

    They are.

    Quoted message said:

    You recommended the Locomoto implying that it is a better design.

    It is.

    Quoted message said:

    Well it was such a superior design that they started breaking left and right.

    I've seen broken santa cruds.

    Quoted message said:

    They finally recalled the bikes back after they realized they DESIGNED a bike that was
    prematurely breaking. It was great that they recalled the bikes. The problem was some had to
    wait as long as 6 months to get a


    new

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    frame.

    There was a problem with the 2002 model that was remedied.

    You mean there was a DESIGN PROBLEM. I can't believe a high end company like Titus came out with a
    bike like a Weyless that had a bike breaking left and right also. If I bought a Weyless and it
    broke, shame on me for buying a cheap bike. If I bought a Loco Moto and it broke, shame on Titus for
    a poor design. I'd also expect a company like Titus to do extensive testing before releasing the
    design. After all that's what you're paying for with big bucks. Seems like Titus beta testing is
    done after the bike is released.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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    You mean there was a DESIGN PROBLEM. I can't believe a high end company like Titus came out with a
    bike like a Weyless that had a bike breaking left and right also. If I bought a Weyless and it
    broke, shame on me for buying a cheap bike. If I bought a Loco Moto and it broke, shame on Titus
    for a poor design. I'd also expect a company like Titus to do extensive testing before releasing
    the design. After all that's what you're paying for with big bucks. Seems like Titus beta testing
    is done after the bike is released.

    Much better to get a Fuel that brakes and there is no recall.
    --
    _________________________
    Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia ramsays-online.comramsays-online.com

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    > > > > I'm getting ready for the transition from hard tail to full


    suspension

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    > > > > (Heckler). I know for sure that I am going w/ the Fox Talus RL


    front

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > shock, but I am a bit stumped on the rear. It seems that


    everyone has

    Quoted message said:
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    > > > > a different recommendation. One shop tells me that if I get


    anything

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    > > > > other than the Fox Float RL I am wasting my money. Another shop


    says

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > the same thing, only they recommend the 5th Element Air/coil.
    > > > >
    > > > > I am a Clydesdale (6'3"/235) with a lot of experience XC and a


    trip or

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    > > > > two to Northstar and Mammoth each summer. I've read the reviews


    on

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    Quoted message said:

    > > > > mtbreview, but was also curious as to what people on the


    newsgroup

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    > > > > have to say about their experiences... Thanks ahead of time!
    > > >
    > > > I find it highly amusing how all of the mtbr(e-tard) tools are


    touting

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    > > > the 5th element as some magical band-aid to the [censored] design of


    the

    Quoted message said:
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    > > > santa crud hecklers and superlights. You can't make a silk purse


    out

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    > > > of a sow's ear. If you're that big, do yourself a favor if you haven't bought the santa
    > > > crud yet, get a Ventana El Chamuco or


    Titus

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    > > > Locomoto.
    > > >
    > > > JD
    > >
    > > So you're saying that Titus Locomoto was purposely DESIGNED to


    break.

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    >
    > Where did I say the Locomoto was designed to break? Go back to


    mtbr(e-tards) dummy.

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    >
    > JD

    You said the SC Hecklers and SL were [censored] designs.

    They are.

    Quoted message said:

    You recommended the Locomoto implying that it is a better design.

    It is.

    Quoted message said:

    Well it was such a superior design that they started breaking left and right.

    I've seen broken santa cruds.

    Quoted message said:

    They finally recalled the bikes back after they realized they DESIGNED a bike that was
    prematurely breaking. It was great that they recalled the bikes. The problem was some had to
    wait as long as 6 months to get a


    new

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    frame.

    There was a problem with the 2002 model that was remedied.

    You mean there was a DESIGN PROBLEM.

    You are an idiot, aren't you? The Locomoto had been in Titus' lineup for years. There was a problem
    with the 2002 model and it was remedied. What part of that don't you get?

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    Seems like Titus beta testing is done after the bike is released.

    Seems like you have a permanent case of rectal-cranial inversion.

    JD

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    > > > > > I'm getting ready for the transition from hard tail to full


    suspension

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    > > > > > (Heckler). I know for sure that I am going w/ the Fox Talus


    RL

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    front

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    > > > > > shock, but I am a bit stumped on the rear. It seems that


    everyone has

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    > > > > > a different recommendation. One shop tells me that if I get


    anything

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    > > > > > other than the Fox Float RL I am wasting my money. Another


    shop

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    says

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    > > > > > the same thing, only they recommend the 5th Element


    Air/coil.

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    > > > > > I am a Clydesdale (6'3"/235) with a lot of experience XC and


    a

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    trip or

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    reviews

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    on

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    > > > > > mtbreview, but was also curious as to what people on the


    newsgroup

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    > > > > > have to say about their experiences... Thanks ahead of


    time!

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    touting

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    of

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    the

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    purse

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    out

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    you

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    > > > > haven't bought the santa crud yet, get a Ventana El Chamuco or


    Titus

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    > > > > Locomoto.
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    > > > So you're saying that Titus Locomoto was purposely DESIGNED to


    break.

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    > > Where did I say the Locomoto was designed to break? Go back to


    mtbr(e-tards) dummy.

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    > You said the SC Hecklers and SL were [censored] designs.

    They are.

    > You recommended the Locomoto implying that it is a better design.

    It is.

    > Well it was such a superior design that they started breaking left


    and

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    > right.

    I've seen broken santa cruds.

    > They finally recalled the bikes back after they realized they


    DESIGNED a

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    > bike that was prematurely breaking. It was great that they recalled


    the

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    > bikes. The problem was some had to wait as long as 6 months to get


    a

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    > frame.

    There was a problem with the 2002 model that was remedied.

    You mean there was a DESIGN PROBLEM.

    You are an idiot, aren't you? The Locomoto had been in Titus' lineup for years. There was a
    problem with the 2002 model and it was remedied. What part of that don't you get?

    When you buy a cheapass bike. You expect problems like recalls. When you buy a premium bike, you
    don't expect to wait 6 months to get a replacement frame on a recall.

  15. Chris Phillipo <[email hidden]> had this to say
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    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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    You mean there was a DESIGN PROBLEM. I can't believe a high end company like Titus came out with
    a bike like a Weyless that had a bike breaking left and right also. If I bought a Weyless and it
    broke, shame on me for buying a cheap bike. If I bought a Loco Moto and it broke, shame on Titus
    for a poor design. I'd also expect a company like Titus to do extensive testing before releasing
    the design. After all that's what you're paying for with big bucks. Seems like Titus beta testing
    is done after the bike is released.

    Much better to get a Fuel that brakes and there is no recall.

    I'm going to go out on a limb, and just go ahead and say it: ALL BIKES HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF
    BREAKAGE! Some sooner than others.

    Dave (easy)

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