Re: Vandeman Oozes Out of rec.bicycles.soc

[Edward Dolan]

"John Everett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> For years and years MV has been spouting his conservationist drivel on
> rec.bicycles.soc. At least we knew what to expect when we went there.
> Suddenly his threads are appearing here on rec.bicycles.misc (and
> other groups). Can we all just agree that if we must participate in
> his threads we can at least cut back the groups to only r.b.s???
>
> John Everett
> Sierra Club National Outings Leader...and MTB owner. ;-)

No, I do not think so. Vandeman needs to be heard on many cycling groups. He
is presenting a point of view which is not often heard among cyclists. He
does not interfere with any other threads, so what is your complaint? RBS is
a cesspool of drivel from the word go. You would be hard pressed to describe
what that group is all about other than nonsensical trivia.

But I am in favor of live and let live. Vandeman, Curtiss and I in no way
interfere with anything that is taking place on RBS or any other newsgroup.
We stay on our own threads. Please see a head shrink if you do not
understand any of this. My patience is not inexhaustible.

And what the hell is a Sierra Club leader doing encouraging mountain biking
on my sacred hiking trails?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[John Everett]

On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 02:18:16 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"John Everett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> John Everett
>> Sierra Club National Outings Leader...and MTB owner. ;-)
>
>And what the hell is a Sierra Club leader doing encouraging mountain biking
>on my sacred hiking trails?

And where the hell did you see me encouraging mountain bike riding on
your sacred hiking trails?


jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 02:18:16 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"John Everett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> For years and years MV has been spouting his conservationist drivel on
>> rec.bicycles.soc. At least we knew what to expect when we went there.
>> Suddenly his threads are appearing here on rec.bicycles.misc (and
>> other groups). Can we all just agree that if we must participate in
>> his threads we can at least cut back the groups to only r.b.s???
>>
>> John Everett
>> Sierra Club National Outings Leader...and MTB owner. ;-)
>
>No, I do not think so. Vandeman needs to be heard on many cycling groups. He
>is presenting a point of view which is not often heard among cyclists. He
>does not interfere with any other threads, so what is your complaint? RBS is
>a cesspool of drivel from the word go. You would be hard pressed to describe
>what that group is all about other than nonsensical trivia.
>
>But I am in favor of live and let live. Vandeman, Curtiss and I in no way
>interfere with anything that is taking place on RBS or any other newsgroup.
>We stay on our own threads. Please see a head shrink if you do not
>understand any of this. My patience is not inexhaustible.
>
>And what the hell is a Sierra Club leader doing encouraging mountain biking
>on my sacred hiking trails?

The Sierra Club long ago sold out its conservation credentials, in
order not to upset its members, many of whom are in the Club only to
promote their personal form of recreation, regardless of impacts. It's
too bad they can't even be honest about it.

>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:08:14 GMT, John Everett
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 02:18:16 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"John Everett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> John Everett
>>> Sierra Club National Outings Leader...and MTB owner. ;-)
>>
>>And what the hell is a Sierra Club leader doing encouraging mountain biking
>>on my sacred hiking trails?
>
>And where the hell did you see me encouraging mountain bike riding on
>your sacred hiking trails?

"MTB owner"

>jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[John Everett]

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:08:34 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:08:14 GMT, John Everett
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 02:18:16 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"John Everett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> John Everett
>>>> Sierra Club National Outings Leader...and MTB owner. ;-)
>>>
>>>And what the hell is a Sierra Club leader doing encouraging mountain biking
>>>on my sacred hiking trails?
>>
>>And where the hell did you see me encouraging mountain bike riding on
>>your sacred hiking trails?
>
>"MTB owner"

I also own a couple of guns, so by your logic I encourage murder,
right?


jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3

 

[BB]

On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:00:48 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:

> Hell, it made me puke! But everything cc writes makes me puke. Anonymous
> scum like him are only good for displaying idiotic obscenities.

You seem to have a real issue with anonymity, but who is to say that you
are really "Edward Dolan"? Surely you're smart enough to know that its
just a matter of whatever name & e-mail you fill into your newsreader.
There is no authenticity, so claims of it are either specious or naive.

So why be anonymous? Well a couple of points/examples:

Vandeman has a history of telephoning and harassing employers and family
of people who disagree with him. It was this behavior that got him
stripped of his local Sierra Club committee chairmanship (and banned from
holding such positions anywhere). A few years ago I read a number of his
references and cited several examples of how his "research" is based on
out-of-context quoting. He didn't do anything to make his writings
relevant or honest, but he certainly did get angry.

I have also been threatened by another Usenet kook (who used a first and
last name, as if that actually means anything), to get his gun and "come
and find" me when I expressed my disapproval of his repeated use of
sexually-explicit language regarding the grade-school daughter of another
newsgroup user.

Usenet tends to attract some real kooks, and it simply isn't important
enough to cause any worry of real life 'retribution'. At least a small
degree of anonymity make sense.

--
-BB-
To e-mail me, unmunge my address

 

[Edward Dolan]

"BB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

[newsgroups restored]

> On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:00:48 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> Hell, it made me puke! But everything cc writes makes me puke. Anonymous
>> scum like him are only good for displaying idiotic obscenities.
>
> You seem to have a real issue with anonymity, but who is to say that you
> are really "Edward Dolan"? Surely you're smart enough to know that its
> just a matter of whatever name & e-mail you fill into your newsreader.
> There is no authenticity, so claims of it are either specious or naive.

Everyone in the world knows that no one would make up a name like Edward
Dolan. It is as real as it is possible to get - just like I am. But no
matter your name, there is never any excuse for expressing idiotic
obscenities. Such human scum as cc do not belong on Usenet.

I really do despair of Usenet. I think it is going to go the way of the Dodo
Bird precisely because of the kind of problems that are associated with
scoundrels like cc. In the future there will be nothing but moderated types
of forums.

> So why be anonymous? Well a couple of points/examples:
>
> Vandeman has a history of telephoning and harassing employers and family
> of people who disagree with him. It was this behavior that got him
> stripped of his local Sierra Club committee chairmanship (and banned from
> holding such positions anywhere). A few years ago I read a number of his
> references and cited several examples of how his "research" is based on
> out-of-context quoting. He didn't do anything to make his writings
> relevant or honest, but he certainly did get angry.

I don't believe any of the above. That is not my impression of Vandeman at
all. It is OK to get angry; it is not OK to get personal. What happens in
cyberspace stays in cyberspace.

> I have also been threatened by another Usenet kook (who used a first and
> last name, as if that actually means anything), to get his gun and "come
> and find" me when I expressed my disapproval of his repeated use of
> sexually-explicit language regarding the grade-school daughter of another
> newsgroup user.

BB, I truly do not understand such behavior. Usenet ought to be nothing but
a playing field for intellectuals and words are our only weapons of choice.
Anyone who takes it any further than that is, like you said, a kook and
should not be on Usenet in the first place.

> Usenet tends to attract some real kooks, and it simply isn't important
> enough to cause any worry of real life 'retribution'. At least a small
> degree of anonymity make sense.

Agreed. I may follow your advice on this as I seem to occasionally run
across some kooks and crazies myself. I am already contemplating what name I
shall choose for myself. Maybe EE! But it goes against the grain for any of
us to want to be anonymous. My God, we shall all of us soon enough be dead
and in our graves where we can truly be anonymous. Just another name on a
headstone.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 16:12:40 GMT, John Everett
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:08:34 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:08:14 GMT, John Everett
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 02:18:16 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"John Everett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> John Everett
>>>>> Sierra Club National Outings Leader...and MTB owner. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>And what the hell is a Sierra Club leader doing encouraging mountain biking
>>>>on my sacred hiking trails?
>>>
>>>And where the hell did you see me encouraging mountain bike riding on
>>>your sacred hiking trails?
>>
>>"MTB owner"
>
>I also own a couple of guns, so by your logic I encourage murder,
>right?

Of course! That is all that guns are used for.

>jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande