Re: The Great Don Quijote of RBM!

[T. Ling Yu]

donquijote1954 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Aug 3, 7:49 am, "Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> How did anyone on this planet survive for those millions of years
>> before the invention of under arm deodorant and automobile air
>> conditioners? Wouldn't they too seem to be a basic human right,
>> Jeff?-
>
> I don't know about those, but the right to ride a bike in safety
> should be a human right.

I think it's covered in the UDHR, under article 3, and to some
extent, article 5 with regard to roadies vs freds and lycra vs
denim.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

 

[Keats]

"donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Aug 2, 10:56 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>


>> The governments (federal, state and local) in the U.S. (and many other
>> countries) use taxes to discourage behavior and tax breaks to encourage
>> behavior. I am merely recommending the proper use of this common policy
>> tool.
>
> The use it here too! Just that they give tax breaks and all kinds of
> facilities to those at the top. Have you noticed that 99% fo the bike
> paths are concentrated where the big people live?
>

If the midgets aren't complaining, then so what?

 

[Bill Sornson]

Keats wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
\

>> The use it here too! Just that they give tax breaks and all kinds of
>> facilities to those at the top. Have you noticed that 99% fo the bike
>> paths are concentrated where the big people live?

> If the midgets aren't complaining, then so what?

POTW!

 

[donquijote1954]

On Aug 3, 12:26 pm, "Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > On Aug 2, 10:56 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> The governments (federal, state and local) in the U.S. (and many other
> >> countries) use taxes to discourage behavior and tax breaks to encourage
> >> behavior. I am merely recommending the proper use of this common policy
> >> tool.
>
> > The use it here too! Just that they give tax breaks and all kinds of
> > facilities to those at the top. Have you noticed that 99% fo the bike
> > paths are concentrated where the big people live?
>
> If the midgets aren't complaining, then so what?

"Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the
rulers" -Aristotle

The midgets are what defines "democracy"... Or should be define it
anyway.

 

[Keats]

"donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Aug 3, 12:26 pm, "Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > On Aug 2, 10:56 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> The governments (federal, state and local) in the U.S. (and many other
>> >> countries) use taxes to discourage behavior and tax breaks to
>> >> encourage
>> >> behavior. I am merely recommending the proper use of this common
>> >> policy
>> >> tool.
>>
>> > The use it here too! Just that they give tax breaks and all kinds of
>> > facilities to those at the top. Have you noticed that 99% fo the bike
>> > paths are concentrated where the big people live?
>>
>> If the midgets aren't complaining, then so what?
>
> "Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the
> rulers" -Aristotle
>
> The midgets are what defines "democracy"... Or should be define it
> anyway.
>

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the
average voter."

WINSTON CHURCHILL

 

[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Keats" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Aug 3, 12:26 pm, "Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> > On Aug 2, 10:56 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
>>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> The governments (federal, state and local) in the U.S. (and many other
>>> >> countries) use taxes to discourage behavior and tax breaks to
>>> >> encourage
>>> >> behavior. I am merely recommending the proper use of this common
>>> >> policy
>>> >> tool.
>>>
>>> > The use it here too! Just that they give tax breaks and all kinds of
>>> > facilities to those at the top. Have you noticed that 99% fo the bike
>>> > paths are concentrated where the big people live?
>>>
>>> If the midgets aren't complaining, then so what?
>>
>> "Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the
>> rulers" -Aristotle
>>
>> The midgets are what defines "democracy"... Or should be define it
>> anyway.
>>
>
> "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the
> average voter."
>
> WINSTON CHURCHILL


"Democracy becomes a government of bullies tempered by editors."
-- R. W. Emerson


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[Keats]

"Tom Keats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Keats" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Aug 3, 12:26 pm, "Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> > On Aug 2, 10:56 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> The governments (federal, state and local) in the U.S. (and many
>>>> >> other
>>>> >> countries) use taxes to discourage behavior and tax breaks to
>>>> >> encourage
>>>> >> behavior. I am merely recommending the proper use of this common
>>>> >> policy
>>>> >> tool.
>>>>
>>>> > The use it here too! Just that they give tax breaks and all kinds of
>>>> > facilities to those at the top. Have you noticed that 99% fo the bike
>>>> > paths are concentrated where the big people live?
>>>>
>>>> If the midgets aren't complaining, then so what?
>>>
>>> "Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the
>>> rulers" -Aristotle
>>>
>>> The midgets are what defines "democracy"... Or should be define it
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>
>> "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with
>> the
>> average voter."
>>
>> WINSTON CHURCHILL
>
>
> "Democracy becomes a government of bullies tempered by editors."
> -- R. W. Emerson
>
>
> --


There seems to be tons of democracy quotes. Rather than doing battling
quotes I suggest all those interested Google "democracy quotes" and groove
on their own personal favorites.

The no relation to Tom Keats Keats

 

[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Keats" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> "Tom Keats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...

>>> "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with
>>> the
>>> average voter."
>>>
>>> WINSTON CHURCHILL
>>
>>
>> "Democracy becomes a government of bullies tempered by editors."
>> -- R. W. Emerson

> There seems to be tons of democracy quotes. Rather than doing battling
> quotes I suggest all those interested Google "democracy quotes" and groove
> on their own personal favorites.

DonQuijote says he wants democracy and rails against the
status quo; maybe what he really needs is sympathetic
editors/media personnel.

Maybe he should set up a print shop and become real
media personnel himself.

But I guess that would mean he'd have to become a /real/
bike activist and assume the responsibilities thereof,
instead of just being a cheap-talk, Usenet ****-disturber,
lyric cyclist.

> The no relation to Tom Keats Keats

I hope you're sure 'bout that. One of my worst fears is
discovering hitherto unknown progeny.



cheers,
Tom

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[donquijote1954]

On Aug 3, 5:45 pm, "Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 3, 12:26 pm, "Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >>news:[email protected]...
>
> >> > On Aug 2, 10:56 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> The governments (federal, state and local) in the U.S. (and many other
> >> >> countries) use taxes to discourage behavior and tax breaks to
> >> >> encourage
> >> >> behavior. I am merely recommending the proper use of this common
> >> >> policy
> >> >> tool.
>
> >> > The use it here too! Just that they give tax breaks and all kinds of
> >> > facilities to those at the top. Have you noticed that 99% fo the bike
> >> > paths are concentrated where the big people live?
>
> >> If the midgets aren't complaining, then so what?
>
> > "Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the
> > rulers" -Aristotle
>
> > The midgets are what defines "democracy"... Or should be define it
> > anyway.
>
> "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the
> average voter."

Luckily, today we only require that the citizen casts a vote every
four years. Any kind of conversation is discouraged, just in case.

 

[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Keats WHO? wrote:
> "Jeff Grippe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>> The governments (federal, state and local) in the U.S. (and many other
>>> countries) use taxes to discourage behavior and tax breaks to encourage
>>> behavior. I am merely recommending the proper use of this common policy
>>> tool.
>>>
>> Wow! A real discussion with substance.
>>
>> Part of the problem is that taxes (and tax breaks) are used for too many
>> things.
>>
>> Some taxes are obviously used to fund the basic operations of government
>> and the services it provides.
>>
>> Other taxes are used to specifically discourage behavior such as
>> cigarette.
>>
>> Some tax breaks are used to encourage behavior.
>>
>> The problem is that all of these things get jumbled up. The bean counters
>> come to rely on the revenue generated by the "sin taxes" and want to keep
>> the breaks to a minimum so that they can balance the books. You can say
>> something like "We are going to tax all X's in order to provide Y's" (cars
>> for bike lanes, etc.) but the X's are going to complain and the Y's are
>> going to view what they've got as an entitlement. You will get the X lobby
>> fighting for the repeal of the tax and the Y lobby insisting that their
>> service must continue to be provided. The people whose job it is to make
>> the budge work try to please as many as possible (being part of a
>> political system) but ultimately the stronger lobby wins.
>>
>> As liberal as I am, I can see some of the arguements for smaller
>> government. Government is a grossly inefficient thing. The problem is that
>> there are gaps a mile wide in what the free market will provide in terms
>> of basic human services. If food, clothing, shelter, education, and health
>> care are basic human rights, then the free market will not, of its own
>> accord, provide a basic level of these things to everyone. Why should it?
>> Corporations are supposed to make profits not provide basic human
>> services. It took workers organizing for companies to provide good working
>> conditions, shorter hours, higher pay, benefits, etc.
>>
>> The revolution isn't coming, however. So the system that we've got is one
>> in which those who can push hardest might be able to get what they want.
>> You want lockers and showers? Find a way to deliver a large block of votes
>> and you might get them. Or find a philanthropist who believes in lockers
>> and showers and get a foundation started. Be careful, however. Foundations
>> can be almost as inefficient as governments.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>
> The idea of entitlements knows no limits. Therefore the inefficient use of
> tax money knows no practical limits other than the amount of money in the
> government coffers at any given time. Once citizens discovered they could
> vote themselves money out of the public weal entitlements were off and
> running to the point that someone who doesn't reach the work place in an air
> conditioned car wants the government to force the installation of a shower
> and locker on private property for their private use. The cost is not only
> the actual cost, but is also the cost of lost opportunity for a better and
> more efficient use of this money.

And the better use of tax money is subsidizing NON-SUSTAINABLE,
ENVIRONMENTALLY DEGRADING, CONGESTING CAUSING, individual fossil-fuel
powered transport? SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH!!!!!!!

Not to mention that showers and bicycle lockers are MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE
than all the fossil-fuel powered subsidies (including the bill to come
for $2,000,000,000,000.00 for the adventure in Mess-O-Potamia), to which
we can add the costs of environmental damage.

By the way, since I first brought up the idea, I own an air-conditioned
automobile and use it for commuting. HAH! However; I wish I could afford
to live close enough to work to cycle commute and had a shower there.

> How did anyone on this planet survive for those millions of years before the
> invention of under arm deodorant and automobile air conditioners? Wouldn't
> they too seem to be a basic human right, Jeff?

Life in those times, to borrow a phrase from Hobbes, was poor, nasty,
brutish, and short. We can do better.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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[donquijote1954]

On Aug 3, 8:14 pm, [email protected] (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Keats" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>
> > "Tom Keats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >>> "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with
> >>> the
> >>> average voter."
>
> >>> WINSTON CHURCHILL
>
> >> "Democracy becomes a government of bullies tempered by editors."
> >> -- R. W. Emerson
> > There seems to be tons of democracy quotes. Rather than doing battling
> > quotes I suggest all those interested Google "democracy quotes" and groove
> > on their own personal favorites.
>
> DonQuijote says he wants democracy and rails against the
> status quo; maybe what he really needs is sympathetic
> editors/media personnel.

The status quo is a mix of hypocrisy and democracy (notice it rhymes)
in a ratio of 90% to 10%.

> Maybe he should set up a print shop and become real
> media personnel himself.
>
> But I guess that would mean he'd have to become a /real/
> bike activist and assume the responsibilities thereof,
> instead of just being a cheap-talk, Usenet ****-disturber,
> lyric cyclist.

What do you call a /real/ bike activist? Well, let me tell you that a /
dead/ bike activist is not a real bike activist. Particularly those
that practice the activism on busy roads among stupid drivers.

 

[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

donquijote1954 who? wrote:
> On Aug 3, 5:45 pm, "Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 3, 12:26 pm, "Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On Aug 2, 10:56 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> The governments (federal, state and local) in the U.S. (and many other
>>>>>> countries) use taxes to discourage behavior and tax breaks to
>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>> behavior. I am merely recommending the proper use of this common
>>>>>> policy
>>>>>> tool.
>>>>> The use it here too! Just that they give tax breaks and all kinds of
>>>>> facilities to those at the top. Have you noticed that 99% fo the bike
>>>>> paths are concentrated where the big people live?
>>>> If the midgets aren't complaining, then so what?
>>> "Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the
>>> rulers" -Aristotle
>>> The midgets are what defines "democracy"... Or should be define it
>>> anyway.
>> "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the
>> average voter."
>
> Luckily, today we only require that the citizen casts a vote every
> four years. Any kind of conversation is discouraged, just in case.

And we (USians) get a "choice" of two (2) candidates with a realistic
chance of being elected, both of whom were handpicked by the same
handful of the old money rich who control both parties by dint of large
cash contributions.

Which overseer presented by the masters shall the proletariat choose?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

--
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[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
donquijote1954 <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>> But I guess that would mean he'd have to become a /real/
>> bike activist and assume the responsibilities thereof,
>> instead of just being a cheap-talk, Usenet ****-disturber,
>> lyric cyclist.
>
> What do you call a /real/ bike activist?

Well, among /whom/ I'd call a /real/ bike activist
would be Jym Dyer. He could give you some pointers.

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[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <[email protected]> writes:

> Which overseer presented by the masters shall the proletariat choose?

The female winner of American Idol with the best combination
of biggest tits & prettiest face. After all, democratic
elections are just a popularity contest.

It doesn't matter which mule-ish figurehead you elect.

The real overseers aren't elected. They're just there.
They're already there, and always will be, despite the
wishes of us Great Unwashed. All we've gotta do is to
elicit some cycling-specific sympathy for the devil
from 'em, and not be caught doing anything bad by their
DoD spy satellites (once the DoD obtains permits from
NYC to photograph public areas.)


cheers,
Tom

--
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[still me]

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 23:06:58 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>There has hardly ever been a democracy in the history of the world (even the
>ancient Greek city states did not give any note to the slaves that made
>their society possible). What we have are republican forms of governance
>where we elect representatives to govern us. I would not have it any other
>way. If you would like to see democracy in action go to a Vermont town hall
>meeting sometime and you will come away utterly opposed to true democracy.
>It is a recipe for never getting anything done.


Actually, lots gets done at town meetings in the NorthEast. Typically
those with power and influence prevail over what's right... or any
proposal that will lower taxes in any way, regardless of the effect on
the town, state, populace, or quality of life (note that the lowering
of taxes is always linked to a proposal from someone with power and
influence to fill their pockets).

 

[donquijote1954]

On Aug 3, 9:32 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> donquijote1954 who? wrote:
> > On Aug 3, 5:45 pm, "Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >>news:[email protected]...
>
> >>> On Aug 3, 12:26 pm, "Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>>> On Aug 2, 10:56 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>> The governments (federal, state and local) in the U.S. (and many other
> >>>>>> countries) use taxes to discourage behavior and tax breaks to
> >>>>>> encourage
> >>>>>> behavior. I am merely recommending the proper use of this common
> >>>>>> policy
> >>>>>> tool.
> >>>>> The use it here too! Just that they give tax breaks and all kinds of
> >>>>> facilities to those at the top. Have you noticed that 99% fo the bike
> >>>>> paths are concentrated where the big people live?
> >>>> If the midgets aren't complaining, then so what?
> >>> "Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the
> >>> rulers" -Aristotle
> >>> The midgets are what defines "democracy"... Or should be define it
> >>> anyway.
> >> "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the
> >> average voter."
>
> > Luckily, today we only require that the citizen casts a vote every
> > four years. Any kind of conversation is discouraged, just in case.
>
> And we (USians) get a "choice" of two (2) candidates with a realistic
> chance of being elected, both of whom were handpicked by the same
> handful of the old money rich who control both parties by dint of large
> cash contributions.
>
> Which overseer presented by the masters shall the proletariat choose?

Last time around I expected them to chose the "lesser evil," but they
still voted for the "worst evil." Well, we can excuse a large part of
the proletariat by saying they hardly voted, since it's the business
of the middle and upper classes to vote.

 

[donquijote1954]

On Aug 3, 9:42 pm, [email protected] (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> donquijote1954 <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>
> >> But I guess that would mean he'd have to become a /real/
> >> bike activist and assume the responsibilities thereof,
> >> instead of just being a cheap-talk, Usenet ****-disturber,
> >> lyric cyclist.
>
> > What do you call a /real/ bike activist?
>
> Well, among /whom/ I'd call a /real/ bike activist
> would be Jym Dyer. He could give you some pointers.
>

Is he a /theoritical/ bike activist by any chance? By the way, I'm a /
semi-real/ bike activist, meaning I'm crazy enough to ride among cars,
but not all the time. Sometimes I just ride on the sidewalk or simply
ride my scooter.

 

[donquijote1954]

On Aug 3, 10:11 pm, [email protected] (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> > Which overseer presented by the masters shall the proletariat choose?
>
> The female winner of American Idol with the best combination
> of biggest tits & prettiest face. After all, democratic
> elections are just a popularity contest.
>
> It doesn't matter which mule-ish figurehead you elect.
>
> The real overseers aren't elected. They're just there.
> They're already there, and always will be, despite the
> wishes of us Great Unwashed. All we've gotta do is to
> elicit some cycling-specific sympathy for the devil
> from 'em, and not be caught doing anything bad by their
> DoD spy satellites (once the DoD obtains permits from
> NYC to photograph public areas.)

It sounds mysterious. Almost like "Big Brother is watching you"...

Big Brother is watching

Alameda Times Star | December 23 2005

IT took 21 years longer than expected, but the future has finally
arrived.
And we don't like it. Not one bit.

We are fighting a war with no end to create a peace with no defined
victory.

We occupy a foreign land that doesn't want us, while at home our civil
liberties are discounted.

We are told that it's better not to know what our government is doing
in our name, for security purposes. Meanwhile, our government is
becoming omnipresent, spying on us whenever it deems it necessary.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

George Orwell was right after all.

In 1949, Orwell penned "1984," a dark, futuristic satire in which the
totalitarian government used indoctrination, propaganda and fear to
enforce order and conformity. His "Big Brother" - the face of this all-
knowing regime - was never wrong, and to make sure of it, history was
constantly being rewritten.

Orwell wrote his book as a cautionary tale to underscore the insidious
danger of slowly eroded individual liberties. His Thought Police may
not yet be on the march, but it's not hyperbole to point out the eerie
parallels with today's America.

In America today, Big Brother is watching.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/231205bigbrother.htm

 

[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
donquijote1954 <[email protected]> writes:
> On Aug 3, 9:42 pm, [email protected] (Tom Keats) wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> donquijote1954 <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>
>>
>> >> But I guess that would mean he'd have to become a /real/
>> >> bike activist and assume the responsibilities thereof,
>> >> instead of just being a cheap-talk, Usenet ****-disturber,
>> >> lyric cyclist.
>>
>> > What do you call a /real/ bike activist?
>>
>> Well, among /whom/ I'd call a /real/ bike activist
>> would be Jym Dyer. He could give you some pointers.
>>
>
> Is he a /theoritical/ bike activist by any chance?

I'm probably doing Jym a disservice by labelling him
as an "activist", or by labelling him at all.

I'll yell ya this much, though -- when it comes to the
bicycling cause, he has /heart/. Not just mouth.

> By the way, I'm a /
> semi-real/ bike activist, meaning I'm crazy enough to ride among cars,
> but not all the time. Sometimes I just ride on the sidewalk or simply
> ride my scooter.

Get other people to ride with you, instead of just
"theoritically" [sic] yacking with you.


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[Michael Press]

In article
<[email protected]>,
"Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Tom Keats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Keats" <[email protected]> writes:
> >>
> >> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >>> On Aug 3, 12:26 pm, "Keats" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>>
> >>>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>>
> >>>> > On Aug 2, 10:56 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> >>>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >> The governments (federal, state and local) in the U.S. (and many
> >>>> >> other
> >>>> >> countries) use taxes to discourage behavior and tax breaks to
> >>>> >> encourage
> >>>> >> behavior. I am merely recommending the proper use of this common
> >>>> >> policy
> >>>> >> tool.
> >>>>
> >>>> > The use it here too! Just that they give tax breaks and all kinds of
> >>>> > facilities to those at the top. Have you noticed that 99% fo the bike
> >>>> > paths are concentrated where the big people live?
> >>>>
> >>>> If the midgets aren't complaining, then so what?
> >>>
> >>> "Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the
> >>> rulers" -Aristotle
> >>>
> >>> The midgets are what defines "democracy"... Or should be define it
> >>> anyway.
> >>>
> >>
> >> "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with
> >> the
> >> average voter."
> >>
> >> WINSTON CHURCHILL
> >
> >
> > "Democracy becomes a government of bullies tempered by editors."
> > -- R. W. Emerson
> >
> >
> > --
>
>
> There seems to be tons of democracy quotes. Rather than doing battling
> quotes I suggest all those interested Google "democracy quotes" and groove
> on their own personal favorites.

People get the government they deserve.

--
Michael Press