Re: Many Colon Problems

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Many Colon Problems
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 4/3/2004 2:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <20040403175004.13976.0000

and the purpose of this is??

no one has denied colon cancer is a reality...nor the numbers of its
incidence..

only that colonics do NOT reduce this incidence..

again..your point miss knownothing Jan??
hawki.....

(Jan) said:

http://www.covhealth.org/stellent/groups/public/documents/www/cov_014085.hcsp

Colon Cancer and CT Screening

What is colon cancer?

Cancers of the colon and rectum (colorectal cancer) are the second most common
cause of cancer deaths in the United States. It is estimated that there were
over 130,000 new cases and over 56,000 deaths in the United States in 2000.
This type of cancer happens in men more often than in women (54 versus 38 per
100,000 people per year). Most cases are diagnosed after 50 years of age. Most
patients with colon cancer (65%) present when the disease has already spread
elsewhere in the body and about one-half of these patients die within five
years. However, when found early, about nine out of 10 people survive.

Although colorectal cancer can occur in anyone, there are some people who have
a higher risk. Colorectal cancer is more likely to occur as people get older,
especially over 50. Colorectal cancer seems to be associated with diets that
are high in fat and calories and low in fiber. Polyps are benign growths on the
inner wall of the colon and rectum. Some types of polyps can change into cancer
and can be removed by placing a viewing tube into the rectum (sigmoidoscopy or
colonoscopy).

Research shows that women who have had cancer of the ovary, uterus, or breast
have a somewhat higher chance of also developing colorectal cancer. Parents,
siblings, and children of a person who has had colorectal cancer are also more
likely to develop colorectal cancer. If many family members have had colorectal
cancer, the chances increase even more. Ulcerative colitis is a disease in
which the lining of the colon becomes inflamed. Having this problem increases a
person’s chance of developing colorectal cancer. Another rare, inherited
disease called familial polyposis syndrome causes hundreds of polyps to form in
the colon and rectum. Unless this condition is treated, this disease almost
always leads to colorectal cancer.

Finding and removing polyps while they are still small helps to prevent
colorectal cancer. The CT screening test can find benign polyps that can
develop into cancers and screening can also find cancers. Researchers are also
looking at smoking cessation, using dietary supplements, using aspirin or
similar medicines, decreasing alcohol consumption, and increasing physical
activity to see if these can help decrease the incidence of colorectal cancer.

Facts about the colon CT screening scan of the abdomen and pelvis

Who should or shouldn’t have the scan?

The scan for colorectal cancer has been shown to be particularly useful for
individuals who have had colonoscopy performed, but where the examination did
not succeed in seeing the whole colon. Recent improvements in the CT scanning
equipment and techniques also show that this examination can be used to
complement the traditional examinations barium enema and colonoscopy for
evaluating people without symptoms of colon cancer. Currently, it is
recommended that people have their colon screened with colonoscopy or barium
enema every three to five years from the age of 50. This is particularly
important for people who have close relatives who have had colon cancer.

We believe that this test can be done instead of colonoscopy or barium enema in
certain people. However, if an abnormality is found, colonoscopy or other
procedures may be necessary. One advantage of this test over the others is that
it may be more comfortable for you than either the barium enema or the
colonoscopy. Cleaning out the colon is required for the CT scan (as it is for
the barium enema and colonoscopy) that requires a change in diet and using
laxatives and medications that cause frequent, liquid bowel movements before
the scan. At the time of the procedure, a small tube will be inserted into your
rectum and used to inflate your colon with air until you feel full. Scans will
be taken with you on your back and on your stomach. You must hold your breath
for several seconds at a time while scans are being taken. When the test is
done, you expel the air. The scan requires about 30 minutes to perform.

This CT screening test is also less risky than colonoscopy, from which a few
patients develop complications from the insertion of a larger tube into the
colon. Therefore, this test is particularly recommended for people who are
concerned about the risks or discomfort of the usual screening tests.

If you have already been diagnosed with colon cancer or have had a barium enema
or colonoscopy screening examination less than three years ago, you probably do
not need this test.

You may benefit most from a CT colon cancer screening test if:
You are over age 50 AND are an average risk individual AND have not had a colon
screening test for at least three years, or
You are 40 or over and are a high-risk individual AND have not had a colon
screening test for at least three years

How accurate is the scan?

The scan is very accurate at finding even small colon tumors, although a direct
colonoscopy may find more very small polyps. Using the scanners that we have
and the techniques that we use, we believe that it is as accurate as the usual
tests for important colon polyps larger than _ to 1 cm in size. However, this
test is relatively new and there is some disagreement about its accuracy. We
will be utilizing the newest techniques available to detect polyps of the colon
using CT technology. Much of the research evaluating this technology is still
ongoing.

Controversies about the scan

Is this scan proven to diagnose colon cancer?

As noted above, this is controversial. This test has been shown to find most
colon tumors and polyps, although it tends to miss very small polyps. However,
not many large studies have been completed yet and not everyone agrees that it
is proven to be as good a screening test as barium enema and colonoscopy.

Is this an experimental test?

Using CT to screen for colon cancer could still be considered experimental
because not enough research has been completed to prove without a doubt that it
is as accurate as the usual tests. However, a number of early studies do indeed
indicate that it is very accurate. There is a small risk from the radiation.
Other documentation detailing the risks from radiation can be made available to
you if you desire.

How the CT scan for colon cancer screening might help you.

As noted above, identifying a colon polyp or tumor by screening can increase
the chances of a complete cure to over 90% in many cases, compared to much
lower success rates for tumors once symptoms have occurred.

If I need a colonoscopy to further evaluate an abnormal CT exam will I need
another colon cleansing?
In most instances if you have an abnormal CT colon cancer screening test, you
will need another cleansing preparation of the colon prior to colonoscopy.
Arrangements can be requested to try and have a colonoscopy the same day or the
following morning after the CT screening colon exam. In that case you would not
need another colon cleansing. You would be notified when to return for the
colonoscopy either later that day or the next morning. The availability of
having a colonoscopy after the CT exam is not guaranteed.

Realizing that many people have kill filed Jan Drew I did want to
repost this excellent information that Jan has posted so that they
could benefit from the wisdom here. Thank you Jan Drew. It is not
often that Jan can be given kudo for what she posts but this is the
exception to the rule.

Colon cancer is a major killer. Everyone over age 50 should be
screened for colon cancer especially if they have a family history of
cancer. Early detection and treatment is your best bet for favorable
outcome.

Since this is misc.health.alternative I would like to ask if there are
any alternative strategies or treatments that have objective evidence
to show that they could reduce the incidence of colon cancer. We have
discussed colonics, colon cleanses, flushes and the like and no one
was able to come up with any evidence that these treatments will at
all alter the chances of getting colon cancer.

I would like to recommend that everyone who is overweight go on a
sensible life long diet plan to reduce your weight to healthy level
and if there are no contraindications, to exercise regularly several
times a week. If you are constipated then increase fiber in your diet
and add metamucil to increase regularity.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

As jan may have rich killfiled, this is a re-repost to be sure that she
finds this response. One of a kind!

Rich.@. said:

(Jan) said:

http://www.covhealth.org/stellent/groups/public/documents/www/cov_014085
.hcsp

Colon Cancer and CT Screening

What is colon cancer?

Cancers of the colon and rectum (colorectal cancer) are the second most
common cause of cancer deaths in the United States. It is estimated that
there were over 130,000 new cases and over 56,000 deaths in the United
States in 2000. This type of cancer happens in men more often than in
women (54 versus 38 per 100,000 people per year). Most cases are
diagnosed after 50 years of age. Most patients with colon cancer (65%)
present when the disease has already spread elsewhere in the body and
about one-half of these patients die within five years. However, when
found early, about nine out of 10 people survive.

Although colorectal cancer can occur in anyone, there are some people
who have a higher risk. Colorectal cancer is more likely to occur as
people get older, especially over 50. Colorectal cancer seems to be
associated with diets that are high in fat and calories and low in
fiber. Polyps are benign growths on the inner wall of the colon and
rectum. Some types of polyps can change into cancer and can be removed
by placing a viewing tube into the rectum (sigmoidoscopy or
colonoscopy).

Research shows that women who have had cancer of the ovary, uterus, or
breast have a somewhat higher chance of also developing colorectal
cancer. Parents, siblings, and children of a person who has had
colorectal cancer are also more likely to develop colorectal cancer. If
many family members have had colorectal cancer, the chances increase
even more. Ulcerative colitis is a disease in which the lining of the
colon becomes inflamed. Having this problem increases a person’s chance
of developing colorectal cancer. Another rare, inherited disease called
familial polyposis syndrome causes hundreds of polyps to form in the
colon and rectum. Unless this condition is treated, this disease almost
always leads to colorectal cancer.

Finding and removing polyps while they are still small helps to prevent
colorectal cancer. The CT screening test can find benign polyps that can
develop into cancers and screening can also find cancers. Researchers
are also looking at smoking cessation, using dietary supplements, using
aspirin or similar medicines, decreasing alcohol consumption, and
increasing physical activity to see if these can help decrease the
incidence of colorectal cancer.

Facts about the colon CT screening scan of the abdomen and pelvis

Who should or shouldn’t have the scan?

The scan for colorectal cancer has been shown to be particularly useful
for individuals who have had colonoscopy performed, but where the
examination did not succeed in seeing the whole colon. Recent
improvements in the CT scanning equipment and techniques also show that
this examination can be used to complement the traditional examinations
barium enema and colonoscopy for evaluating people without symptoms of
colon cancer. Currently, it is recommended that people have their colon
screened with colonoscopy or barium enema every three to five years from
the age of 50. This is particularly important for people who have close
relatives who have had colon cancer.

We believe that this test can be done instead of colonoscopy or barium
enema in certain people. However, if an abnormality is found,
colonoscopy or other procedures may be necessary. One advantage of this
test over the others is that it may be more comfortable for you than
either the barium enema or the colonoscopy. Cleaning out the colon is
required for the CT scan (as it is for the barium enema and colonoscopy)
that requires a change in diet and using laxatives and medications that
cause frequent, liquid bowel movements before the scan. At the time of
the procedure, a small tube will be inserted into your rectum and used
to inflate your colon with air until you feel full. Scans will be taken
with you on your back and on your stomach. You must hold your breath for
several seconds at a time while scans are being taken. When the test is
done, you expel the air. The scan requires about 30 minutes to perform.

This CT screening test is also less risky than colonoscopy, from which a
few patients develop complications from the insertion of a larger tube
into the colon. Therefore, this test is particularly recommended for
people who are concerned about the risks or discomfort of the usual
screening tests.

If you have already been diagnosed with colon cancer or have had a
barium enema or colonoscopy screening examination less than three years
ago, you probably do not need this test.

You may benefit most from a CT colon cancer screening test if:
You are over age 50 AND are an average risk individual AND have not had
a colon screening test for at least three years, or
You are 40 or over and are a high-risk individual AND have not had a
colon screening test for at least three years

How accurate is the scan?

The scan is very accurate at finding even small colon tumors, although a
direct colonoscopy may find more very small polyps. Using the scanners
that we have and the techniques that we use, we believe that it is as
accurate as the usual tests for important colon polyps larger than _ to
1 cm in size. However, this test is relatively new and there is some
disagreement about its accuracy. We will be utilizing the newest
techniques available to detect polyps of the colon using CT technology.
Much of the research evaluating this technology is still ongoing.

Controversies about the scan

Is this scan proven to diagnose colon cancer?

As noted above, this is controversial. This test has been shown to find
most colon tumors and polyps, although it tends to miss very small
polyps. However, not many large studies have been completed yet and not
everyone agrees that it is proven to be as good a screening test as
barium enema and colonoscopy.

Is this an experimental test?

Using CT to screen for colon cancer could still be considered
experimental because not enough research has been completed to prove
without a doubt that it is as accurate as the usual tests. However, a
number of early studies do indeed indicate that it is very accurate.
There is a small risk from the radiation. Other documentation detailing
the risks from radiation can be made available to you if you desire.

How the CT scan for colon cancer screening might help you.

As noted above, identifying a colon polyp or tumor by screening can
increase the chances of a complete cure to over 90% in many cases,
compared to much lower success rates for tumors once symptoms have
occurred.

If I need a colonoscopy to further evaluate an abnormal CT exam will I
need another colon cleansing?
In most instances if you have an abnormal CT colon cancer screening
test, you will need another cleansing preparation of the colon prior to
colonoscopy. Arrangements can be requested to try and have a colonoscopy
the same day or the following morning after the CT screening colon exam.
In that case you would not need another colon cleansing. You would be
notified when to return for the colonoscopy either later that day or the
next morning. The availability of having a colonoscopy after the CT exam
is not guaranteed.

Realizing that many people have kill filed Jan Drew I did want to
repost this excellent information that Jan has posted so that they
could benefit from the wisdom here. Thank you Jan Drew. It is not
often that Jan can be given kudo for what she posts but this is the
exception to the rule.

Colon cancer is a major killer. Everyone over age 50 should be
screened for colon cancer especially if they have a family history of
cancer. Early detection and treatment is your best bet for favorable
outcome.

Since this is misc.health.alternative I would like to ask if there are
any alternative strategies or treatments that have objective evidence
to show that they could reduce the incidence of colon cancer. We have
discussed colonics, colon cleanses, flushes and the like and no one
was able to come up with any evidence that these treatments will at
all alter the chances of getting colon cancer.

I would like to recommend that everyone who is overweight go on a
sensible life long diet plan to reduce your weight to healthy level
and if there are no contraindications, to exercise regularly several
times a week. If you are constipated then increase fiber in your diet
and add metamucil to increase regularity.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

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http://costofwar.com/
www.unicef.org/sowc02/g31.htm

(Hawki63) said:

Quoted message said:

From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 4/3/2004 2:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <20040403175004.13976.0000

and the purpose of this is??

no one has denied colon cancer is a reality...nor the numbers of its
incidence..

only that colonics do NOT reduce this incidence..

Your evidence of that is?

--
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www.unicef.org/sowc02/g31.htm

On 04 Apr 2004 03:05:22 GMT, Toby Joe <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

(Hawki63) said:

Quoted message said:

From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 4/3/2004 2:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <20040403175004.13976.0000

and the purpose of this is??

no one has denied colon cancer is a reality...nor the numbers of its
incidence..

only that colonics do NOT reduce this incidence..

Your evidence of that is?

There is no objective evidence that colonics reduce the incidence of
colon cancer. In the absence of objective evidence any assertion that
colonics do reduce the incidence should be met with great skepticism.
Those that believe that colonics *do* decrease the incidence of colon
cancer are basing this belief on nothing more than speculation and
wishful thinking.

One thing is for sure. You can get colon cancer even if you get
regular colon cleanses and eat a healthy diet. I know of two people
that this has happened to.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Many Colon Problems
From: Toby Joe [email hidden]
Date: 4/3/2004 6:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

As jan may have rich killfiled, this is a re-repost to be sure that she
finds this response. One of a kind!

Indeed.

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Since this is misc.health.alternative I would like to ask if there are

Quoted message said:

any alternative strategies or treatments that have objective evidence
to show that they could reduce the incidence of colon cancer.

Preventions measures have been posted.

Quoted message said:

We have

Quoted message said:

discussed colonics, colon cleanses, flushes and the like and no one
was able to come up with any evidence that these treatments will at
all alter the chances of getting colon cancer.

Common sense. One might need to be reminded many alternative methods that WORK
but are NOT accepted by organized medicine.

Therefore if one is looking for evidence from them, forget it, they DENY many
REAL things that have been known to work.

Once again, this is a power struggle, not an health issue. Trying to make
everyone think all colons are shiny pink. NOT SO!!There are MANY good articles
on colon cleanses.

It is a personal choice. If one is having any kind of colon problems, it is
good to clean it out.

The FACTS are MANY MANY do HAVE colon problems, why wait until it is too late?

Simple.

Jan

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.covhealth.org/stellent/groups/public/documents/www/cov_014085

Quoted message said:

.hcsp

Colon Cancer and CT Screening

What is colon cancer?

Cancers of the colon and rectum (colorectal cancer) are the second most
common cause of cancer deaths in the United States. It is estimated that
there were over 130,000 new cases and over 56,000 deaths in the United
States in 2000. This type of cancer happens in men more often than in
women (54 versus 38 per 100,000 people per year). Most cases are
diagnosed after 50 years of age. Most patients with colon cancer (65%)
present when the disease has already spread elsewhere in the body and
about one-half of these patients die within five years. However, when
found early, about nine out of 10 people survive.

Although colorectal cancer can occur in anyone, there are some people
who have a higher risk. Colorectal cancer is more likely to occur as
people get older, especially over 50. Colorectal cancer seems to be
associated with diets that are high in fat and calories and low in
fiber. Polyps are benign growths on the inner wall of the colon and
rectum. Some types of polyps can change into cancer and can be removed
by placing a viewing tube into the rectum (sigmoidoscopy or
colonoscopy).

Research shows that women who have had cancer of the ovary, uterus, or
breast have a somewhat higher chance of also developing colorectal
cancer. Parents, siblings, and children of a person who has had
colorectal cancer are also more likely to develop colorectal cancer. If
many family members have had colorectal cancer, the chances increase
even more. Ulcerative colitis is a disease in which the lining of the
colon becomes inflamed. Having this problem increases a person’s chance
of developing colorectal cancer. Another rare, inherited disease called
familial polyposis syndrome causes hundreds of polyps to form in the
colon and rectum. Unless this condition is treated, this disease almost
always leads to colorectal cancer.

Finding and removing polyps while they are still small helps to prevent
colorectal cancer. The CT screening test can find benign polyps that can
develop into cancers and screening can also find cancers. Researchers
are also looking at smoking cessation, using dietary supplements, using
aspirin or similar medicines, decreasing alcohol consumption, and
increasing physical activity to see if these can help decrease the
incidence of colorectal cancer.

Facts about the colon CT screening scan of the abdomen and pelvis

Who should or shouldn’t have the scan?

The scan for colorectal cancer has been shown to be particularly useful
for individuals who have had colonoscopy performed, but where the
examination did not succeed in seeing the whole colon. Recent
improvements in the CT scanning equipment and techniques also show that
this examination can be used to complement the traditional examinations
barium enema and colonoscopy for evaluating people without symptoms of
colon cancer. Currently, it is recommended that people have their colon
screened with colonoscopy or barium enema every three to five years from
the age of 50. This is particularly important for people who have close
relatives who have had colon cancer.

We believe that this test can be done instead of colonoscopy or barium
enema in certain people. However, if an abnormality is found,
colonoscopy or other procedures may be necessary. One advantage of this
test over the others is that it may be more comfortable for you than
either the barium enema or the colonoscopy. Cleaning out the colon is
required for the CT scan (as it is for the barium enema and colonoscopy)
that requires a change in diet and using laxatives and medications that
cause frequent, liquid bowel movements before the scan. At the time of
the procedure, a small tube will be inserted into your rectum and used
to inflate your colon with air until you feel full. Scans will be taken
with you on your back and on your stomach. You must hold your breath for
several seconds at a time while scans are being taken. When the test is
done, you expel the air. The scan requires about 30 minutes to perform.

This CT screening test is also less risky than colonoscopy, from which a
few patients develop complications from the insertion of a larger tube
into the colon. Therefore, this test is particularly recommended for
people who are concerned about the risks or discomfort of the usual
screening tests.

If you have already been diagnosed with colon cancer or have had a
barium enema or colonoscopy screening examination less than three years
ago, you probably do not need this test.

You may benefit most from a CT colon cancer screening test if:
You are over age 50 AND are an average risk individual AND have not had
a colon screening test for at least three years, or
You are 40 or over and are a high-risk individual AND have not had a
colon screening test for at least three years

How accurate is the scan?

The scan is very accurate at finding even small colon tumors, although a
direct colonoscopy may find more very small polyps. Using the scanners
that we have and the techniques that we use, we believe that it is as
accurate as the usual tests for important colon polyps larger than _ to
1 cm in size. However, this test is relatively new and there is some
disagreement about its accuracy. We will be utilizing the newest
techniques available to detect polyps of the colon using CT technology.
Much of the research evaluating this technology is still ongoing.

Controversies about the scan

Is this scan proven to diagnose colon cancer?

As noted above, this is controversial. This test has been shown to find
most colon tumors and polyps, although it tends to miss very small
polyps. However, not many large studies have been completed yet and not
everyone agrees that it is proven to be as good a screening test as
barium enema and colonoscopy.

Is this an experimental test?

Using CT to screen for colon cancer could still be considered
experimental because not enough research has been completed to prove
without a doubt that it is as accurate as the usual tests. However, a
number of early studies do indeed indicate that it is very accurate.
There is a small risk from the radiation. Other documentation detailing
the risks from radiation can be made available to you if you desire.

How the CT scan for colon cancer screening might help you.

As noted above, identifying a colon polyp or tumor by screening can
increase the chances of a complete cure to over 90% in many cases,
compared to much lower success rates for tumors once symptoms have
occurred.

If I need a colonoscopy to further evaluate an abnormal CT exam will I
need another colon cleansing?
In most instances if you have an abnormal CT colon cancer screening
test, you will need another cleansing preparation of the colon prior to
colonoscopy. Arrangements can be requested to try and have a colonoscopy
the same day or the following morning after the CT screening colon exam.
In that case you would not need another colon cleansing. You would be
notified when to return for the colonoscopy either later that day or the
next morning. The availability of having a colonoscopy after the CT exam
is not guaranteed.

Realizing that many people have kill filed Jan Drew I did want to
repost this excellent information that Jan has posted so that they
could benefit from the wisdom here. Thank you Jan Drew. It is not
often that Jan can be given kudo for what she posts but this is the
exception to the rule.

Colon cancer is a major killer. Everyone over age 50 should be
screened for colon cancer especially if they have a family history of
cancer. Early detection and treatment is your best bet for favorable
outcome.

Since this is misc.health.alternative I would like to ask if there are
any alternative strategies or treatments that have objective evidence
to show that they could reduce the incidence of colon cancer. We have
discussed colonics, colon cleanses, flushes and the like and no one
was able to come up with any evidence that these treatments will at
all alter the chances of getting colon cancer.

I would like to recommend that everyone who is overweight go on a
sensible life long diet plan to reduce your weight to healthy level
and if there are no contraindications, to exercise regularly several
times a week. If you are constipated then increase fiber in your diet
and add metamucil to increase regularity.

Aloha,

Rich

-------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance

--
http://costofwar.com/
www.unicef.org/sowc02/g31.htm

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Many Colon Problems
From: Toby Joe [email hidden]
Date: 4/3/2004 6:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

As jan may have rich killfiled, this is a re-repost to be sure that she
finds this response. One of a kind!

Indeed.

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Since this is misc.health.alternative I would like to ask if there are

Quoted message said:

any alternative strategies or treatments that have objective evidence
to show that they could reduce the incidence of colon cancer.

Preventions measures have been posted.

Yes and none have been shown to be effective objectively.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

We have

Quoted message said:

discussed colonics, colon cleanses, flushes and the like and no one
was able to come up with any evidence that these treatments will at
all alter the chances of getting colon cancer.

Common sense. One might need to be reminded many alternative methods that WORK
but are NOT accepted by organized medicine.

One may also need to be reminded that just because someone proposes an
alternative treatment does not mean that it really works. It may and
then again it may not.

Quoted message said:

Therefore if one is looking for evidence from them, forget it, they DENY many
REAL things that have been known to work.

There is a difference between believing something works and actually
working. For example many people believe that regular colonic cleanses
will reduce chance of getting colon cancer. I personally know two
people who had regular colonics and got colon cancer so it is far from
common sense to me that colonics will reduce the incidence of this
cancer.

Quoted message said:

Once again, this is a power struggle, not an health issue.

The only power struggle is Jan Drew who cannot tolerate anyone who
expresses any skepticism about alternative medicine.

Quoted message said:

Trying to make
everyone think all colons are shiny pink. NOT SO!!

And what personal experience does Jan Drew have in examining colons.
Probably none. No one said that ALL colons are shiny pink. It has been
said that the great majority are shiny pink.

Quoted message said:

There are MANY good articles
on colon cleanses.

But not many on the efficacy of colon cleanses to promote good health.

Quoted message said:

It is a personal choice. If one is having any kind of colon problems, it is
good to clean it out.

What are Jan Drew's qualifications for saying that ANY KIND of colon
problem it is good to clean it out. Is it good to clean out ulcerative
colitis?? Is it good to clean out Crohn's disease??

Who is Jan Drew to give medical advice to people with colon problems??
Jan Drew has absolutely no experience in dealing with colon problems
and yet is giving advice to clean out the colon with ANY KIND of colon
problem. A retired day care center owner is giving advice about the
appropriate treatment for colon disease. Lord have mercy.

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The FACTS are MANY MANY do HAVE colon problems, why wait until it is too late?

Why wait for what?? Why do a colon cleanse when the cleanse may do
more harm than good. Unfortunately most of the mindless alties who
recommend colon cleanses cannot even fathom the possibility that the
cleanse may do more harm than good. They think cleaning something must
be good. The colon is self cleansing.

To repeat: Jan Drew has absolutely no training or experience in
treating colon diseases. She has absolutely no business in
recommending specific treatments for colon diseases.

Quoted message said:

Simple.

Yes you are.

Aloha,

Rich

Quoted message said:

Jan

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.covhealth.org/stellent/groups/public/documents/www/cov_014085
>.hcsp
>
>Colon Cancer and CT Screening
>
>What is colon cancer?
>
>Cancers of the colon and rectum (colorectal cancer) are the second most
>common cause of cancer deaths in the United States. It is estimated that
>there were over 130,000 new cases and over 56,000 deaths in the United
>States in 2000. This type of cancer happens in men more often than in
>women (54 versus 38 per 100,000 people per year). Most cases are
>diagnosed after 50 years of age. Most patients with colon cancer (65%)
>present when the disease has already spread elsewhere in the body and
>about one-half of these patients die within five years. However, when
>found early, about nine out of 10 people survive.
>
>Although colorectal cancer can occur in anyone, there are some people
>who have a higher risk. Colorectal cancer is more likely to occur as
>people get older, especially over 50. Colorectal cancer seems to be
>associated with diets that are high in fat and calories and low in
>fiber. Polyps are benign growths on the inner wall of the colon and
>rectum. Some types of polyps can change into cancer and can be removed
>by placing a viewing tube into the rectum (sigmoidoscopy or
>colonoscopy).
>
>Research shows that women who have had cancer of the ovary, uterus, or
>breast have a somewhat higher chance of also developing colorectal
>cancer. Parents, siblings, and children of a person who has had
>colorectal cancer are also more likely to develop colorectal cancer. If
>many family members have had colorectal cancer, the chances increase
>even more. Ulcerative colitis is a disease in which the lining of the
>colon becomes inflamed. Having this problem increases a person’s chance
>of developing colorectal cancer. Another rare, inherited disease called
>familial polyposis syndrome causes hundreds of polyps to form in the
>colon and rectum. Unless this condition is treated, this disease almost
>always leads to colorectal cancer.
>
>Finding and removing polyps while they are still small helps to prevent
>colorectal cancer. The CT screening test can find benign polyps that can
>develop into cancers and screening can also find cancers. Researchers
>are also looking at smoking cessation, using dietary supplements, using
>aspirin or similar medicines, decreasing alcohol consumption, and
>increasing physical activity to see if these can help decrease the
>incidence of colorectal cancer.
>
>Facts about the colon CT screening scan of the abdomen and pelvis
>
>Who should or shouldn’t have the scan?
>
>The scan for colorectal cancer has been shown to be particularly useful
>for individuals who have had colonoscopy performed, but where the
>examination did not succeed in seeing the whole colon. Recent
>improvements in the CT scanning equipment and techniques also show that
>this examination can be used to complement the traditional examinations
>barium enema and colonoscopy for evaluating people without symptoms of
>colon cancer. Currently, it is recommended that people have their colon
>screened with colonoscopy or barium enema every three to five years from
>the age of 50. This is particularly important for people who have close
>relatives who have had colon cancer.
>
>We believe that this test can be done instead of colonoscopy or barium
>enema in certain people. However, if an abnormality is found,
>colonoscopy or other procedures may be necessary. One advantage of this
>test over the others is that it may be more comfortable for you than
>either the barium enema or the colonoscopy. Cleaning out the colon is
>required for the CT scan (as it is for the barium enema and colonoscopy)
>that requires a change in diet and using laxatives and medications that
>cause frequent, liquid bowel movements before the scan. At the time of
>the procedure, a small tube will be inserted into your rectum and used
>to inflate your colon with air until you feel full. Scans will be taken
>with you on your back and on your stomach. You must hold your breath for
>several seconds at a time while scans are being taken. When the test is
>done, you expel the air. The scan requires about 30 minutes to perform.
>
>This CT screening test is also less risky than colonoscopy, from which a
>few patients develop complications from the insertion of a larger tube
>into the colon. Therefore, this test is particularly recommended for
>people who are concerned about the risks or discomfort of the usual
>screening tests.
>
>If you have already been diagnosed with colon cancer or have had a
>barium enema or colonoscopy screening examination less than three years
>ago, you probably do not need this test.
>
>You may benefit most from a CT colon cancer screening test if:
>You are over age 50 AND are an average risk individual AND have not had
>a colon screening test for at least three years, or
>You are 40 or over and are a high-risk individual AND have not had a
>colon screening test for at least three years
>
>How accurate is the scan?
>
>The scan is very accurate at finding even small colon tumors, although a
>direct colonoscopy may find more very small polyps. Using the scanners
>that we have and the techniques that we use, we believe that it is as
>accurate as the usual tests for important colon polyps larger than _ to
>1 cm in size. However, this test is relatively new and there is some
>disagreement about its accuracy. We will be utilizing the newest
>techniques available to detect polyps of the colon using CT technology.
>Much of the research evaluating this technology is still ongoing.
>
>Controversies about the scan
>
>Is this scan proven to diagnose colon cancer?
>
>As noted above, this is controversial. This test has been shown to find
>most colon tumors and polyps, although it tends to miss very small
>polyps. However, not many large studies have been completed yet and not
>everyone agrees that it is proven to be as good a screening test as
>barium enema and colonoscopy.
>
>Is this an experimental test?
>
>Using CT to screen for colon cancer could still be considered
>experimental because not enough research has been completed to prove
>without a doubt that it is as accurate as the usual tests. However, a
>number of early studies do indeed indicate that it is very accurate.
>There is a small risk from the radiation. Other documentation detailing
>the risks from radiation can be made available to you if you desire.
>
>How the CT scan for colon cancer screening might help you.
>
>As noted above, identifying a colon polyp or tumor by screening can
>increase the chances of a complete cure to over 90% in many cases,
>compared to much lower success rates for tumors once symptoms have
>occurred.
>
>If I need a colonoscopy to further evaluate an abnormal CT exam will I
>need another colon cleansing?
>In most instances if you have an abnormal CT colon cancer screening
>test, you will need another cleansing preparation of the colon prior to
>colonoscopy. Arrangements can be requested to try and have a colonoscopy
>the same day or the following morning after the CT screening colon exam.
>In that case you would not need another colon cleansing. You would be
>notified when to return for the colonoscopy either later that day or the
>next morning. The availability of having a colonoscopy after the CT exam
>is not guaranteed.

Realizing that many people have kill filed Jan Drew I did want to
repost this excellent information that Jan has posted so that they
could benefit from the wisdom here. Thank you Jan Drew. It is not
often that Jan can be given kudo for what she posts but this is the
exception to the rule.

Colon cancer is a major killer. Everyone over age 50 should be
screened for colon cancer especially if they have a family history of
cancer. Early detection and treatment is your best bet for favorable
outcome.

Since this is misc.health.alternative I would like to ask if there are
any alternative strategies or treatments that have objective evidence
to show that they could reduce the incidence of colon cancer. We have
discussed colonics, colon cleanses, flushes and the like and no one
was able to come up with any evidence that these treatments will at
all alter the chances of getting colon cancer.

I would like to recommend that everyone who is overweight go on a
sensible life long diet plan to reduce your weight to healthy level
and if there are no contraindications, to exercise regularly several
times a week. If you are constipated then increase fiber in your diet
and add metamucil to increase regularity.

Aloha,

Rich

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Many Colon Problems
From: Rich.@.
Date: 4/3/2004 8:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Who is Jan Drew to give medical advice to people with colon problems??

she has EGO problems

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and yet is giving advice to clean out the colon with ANY KIND of colon
problem. A retired day care center owner is giving advice about the
appropriate treatment for colon disease. Lord have mercy.

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B I N G O

stick to changing diapers Janny
hawki.....

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(Hawki63) said:

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From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 4/3/2004 2:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <20040403175004.13976.0000

and the purpose of this is??

no one has denied colon cancer is a reality...nor the numbers of its
incidence..

only that colonics do NOT reduce this incidence..

Your evidence of that is?

If you are saying that constipation predisposes towards bowel cancer, a
theoretical but unproven possibility, colonic irrigation is probably the
most useless way of dealing with the problem. We surgeons have a vast
experience of trying to clean the bowel out before surgery and I assure you
that colonic irrigation is a rather ineffective way of acheiving that it in
many normal people, let alone those who have a prior tendency to
constipation and faecal loading. That applies even when performed by
experienced nursing staff in surgical wards, who are likely to be far more
thorough and proficient than the personel in any colonic clinic.

Not only that, but the bowel is full of faeces again within two days of a
normal diet. How often do you propose to clean it out?

Peter Moran

Peter Moran said:

"Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

(Hawki63) said:

no one has denied colon cancer is a reality...nor the numbers of its
incidence..

only that colonics do NOT reduce this incidence..

Your evidence of that is?

If you are saying that constipation predisposes towards bowel cancer, a
theoretical but unproven possibility, colonic irrigation is probably the
most useless way of dealing with the problem.

First, the other poster made the definitive claim that "colonics do NOT
reduce" the incidence of colon cancer. I asked what the evidence is for
that claim. So far, none has been presented.

Secondly, I had not studied or researched this topic prior to the
present discussion, so know little about whatever studies are out there, or
what research has been done, other than that there seems to be almost
nothing, at this time, on the role of colon irrigation in colon health
maintenance and illness prevention.

When you ask if I am saying that "constipation predisposes towards
bowel cancer", I think you must be referring to this comment I made
elsewhere:

I wrote, "Given that some of those people who have had long term chronic
constipation are in effect living with their own personal toxic waste dump,
how can they be so sure that it is not connected with other diseases the
person may have also, not excluding cancer and not excluding dementia".

That is what I wrote. I was questioning the walls of assumption that seem
to be thrown up on mha, which appear to separate off colon disease from the
state of the colon. They appear to be treated as separate and almost
unrelated entities: the condition of a person's colon, and any disease
which afflicts that colon. That is what I was questioning.

Thirdly, you then wrote, "...colonic irrigation is probably the most
useless way of dealing with the problem" [constipation].

I don't understand that, even after reading the rest of your post. Are you
able to clarify further?

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We surgeons have a vast experience of trying to clean the bowel out
before surgery and I assure you that colonic irrigation is a rather
ineffective way of acheiving that it in many normal people, let alone
those who have a prior tendency to constipation and faecal loading.

So, what were the ways that were usually followed, for cleaning out the
colon, in the main hospital(s) where you have operated? How was it usually
done?

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That applies even when performed by experienced nursing staff in surgical
wards, who are likely to be far more thorough and proficient than the
personel in any colonic clinic.

Not necessarily so.

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Not only that, but the bowel is full of faeces again within two days of a
normal diet. How often do you propose to clean it out?

As with many health programs, it would vary according to the person, and to
their state of health or illness. Some people might be having a series of
colonics, daily, for a time, and some might also be fasting or on a juice
diet. (I am not a therapist nor a clinician, so I don't know specific
details.)

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Toby Joe said:

First, the other poster made the definitive claim that "colonics do NOT
reduce" the incidence of colon cancer. I asked what the evidence is for
that claim. So far, none has been presented.

it's not possible to prove a negative
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Toby Joe said:

First, the other poster made the definitive claim that "colonics do NOT
reduce" the incidence of colon cancer. I asked what the evidence is for
that claim. So far, none has been presented.

it's not possible to prove a negative

Not asking for proof.

Just the evidence on which their claim was based.

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Toby Joe said:

Quoted message said:

Toby Joe said:

First, the other poster made the definitive claim that "colonics do NOT
reduce" the incidence of colon cancer. I asked what the evidence is for
that claim. So far, none has been presented.

it's not possible to prove a negative

Not asking for proof.

Just the evidence on which their claim was based.

In the in the absence of repeatable studies showing
that *treatment 01* has a positive reduction in the
incidence of *disease 01*, the undeniable scientific
conclusion, by inference, is that *treatment 01* has no
repeatable effect upon the reduction of *disease 01*.

Asking for "evidence" is asking for "proof"

The conclusions and inferences are undeniable.
The preponderance of the evidence indicates, even
to the most un-scientific mind; that multiple corroborative
studies, re-affirming nearly identical conclusions, in the absence of
repeatable contradictory evidence, must be scientific fact.

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Many Colon Problems
From: Toby Joe [email hidden]
Date: 4/4/2004 4:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Secondly, I had not studied or researched this topic prior to the
present discussion, so know little about whatever studies are o

YIKES... so you admit to knowing LITTLE about this topic..yet you insist on
arguing with those of us who ARE knowledgable on this topic....

do you argue with your mechanic too when he advises you on brake pads??

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on the role of colon irrigation in colon health
maintenance and illness prevention.

there is NOOOOOOOO role...yikes you are stubborn...

diet high in fiber...lots of water..exercise....

if you still have problems...visit a health care professional for an
evaluation..you may have a huge tumor in there

and Jannny...do NOT jump in here with your innane sites to those
paralyzed..etc....

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their own personal toxic waste dump,
how can they be so sure that it is not connected with other diseases the
person may have also, not excluding cancer and not excluding dementia".

that is truly laughable..do you REALLY believe that?? if so...again ..I suggest
you visit a GI lab and watch a few colonoscopies..

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Thirdly, you then wrote, "...colonic irrigation is probably the most
useless way of dealing with the problem" [constipation].

againn...more slowly....repeated colonics make the colon LAZY ...it forgets how
to move the [censored] along on its own...

see above..diet..exercise..water ..

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So, what were the ways that were usually followed, for cleaning out the
colon, in the main hospital(s) wh

it is done with ORAL prep solutions....to clean out the tract from the top
down...

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Quoted message said:

That applies even when performed by experienced nursing staff in surgical
wards, who are likely to be far more thorough and proficient tha

Quoted message said:

the

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personel in any colonic clinic.

Not necessarily so.

ya know..as an RN with 35 years experience..not to mention a master's
degree...I find it highly insulting,,not to mention ridiculous..to compare a
nurse with a person with 100 hours of training!!!

hawki.....

Quoted message said:

Toby Joe said:

Quoted message said:

>First, the other poster made the definitive claim that "colonics do
>NOT reduce" the incidence of colon cancer. I asked what the evidence
>is for that claim. So far, none has been presented.

it's not possible to prove a negative

Not asking for proof. Just the evidence on which their claim was based.

In the in the absence of repeatable studies showing
that *treatment 01* has a positive reduction in the
incidence of *disease 01*, the undeniable scientific
conclusion, by inference, is that *treatment 01* has no
repeatable effect upon the reduction of *disease 01*.

Translation:
"Little research has yet been carried out on this topic, so, we don't
rightly know.."

Thank you for the clear explanation 🙂

Quoted message said:

Asking for "evidence" is asking for "proof"

The conclusions and inferences are undeniable.
The preponderance of the evidence indicates, even
to the most un-scientific mind; that multiple corroborative
studies, re-affirming nearly identical conclusions, in the absence of
repeatable contradictory evidence, must be scientific fact.

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Toby Joe said:

Quoted message said:

In the in the absence of repeatable studies showing
that *treatment 01* has a positive reduction in the
incidence of *disease 01*, the undeniable scientific
conclusion, by inference, is that *treatment 01* has no
repeatable effect upon the reduction of *disease 01*.

Translation:
"Little research has yet been carried out on this topic, so, we don't
rightly know.."

Thank you for the clear explanation 🙂

TJ you are urged to read the above again, and slowly,
so that you may comprehend.
Much research has been carried out, with repeatable results
in multiple studies.
If *you* choose to reject the preponderance
of the evidence then it is *you* who "don't rightly know.."
TJ you are quite welcomed for the crystal clear explanation.

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In the in the absence of repeatable studies showing
that *treatment 01* has a positive reduction in the
incidence of *disease 01*

If *treatment 01* cannot be statistically demonstrated to reduce
the incidence of *disease 01*;
then there is no possible inference of the efficacy of
*treatment 01* reducing the incidence of *disease 01*.

This is basic experimental science.
"Does 'A' have an effect on 'B' ?

Without statistically significant samplings,
and repeatable results, no inference of the effectiveness
of any single treatment for any single disease may be made.

Your lack of comprehension of the basic scientific method
does not change the physics of reality.

F=ma

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(Hawki63) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Many Colon Problems
From: Toby Joe [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

their own personal toxic waste dump,
how can they be so sure that it is not connected with other diseases the
person may have also, not excluding cancer and not excluding dementia".

that is truly laughable..do you REALLY believe that?? if so...again ..I suggest
you visit a GI lab and watch a few colonoscopies..

Actually I think that it would probably not matter whether Toby
watched a few colonoscopies or not. She has already made up her mind.
And she has made up her mind, admitted after not really doing that
much research.

I wonder how long Toby has believed the colon cleanses for those over
40 or 50 is an important part of reducing the incidence of colon
disease. I doubt she will tell us but an honest answer would help to
understand why she is so fixed on this belief. She admits that her
belief is not based on scientific evidence. She may be delusional
about the subject meaning that all the evidence in the world would not
be sufficient to change her mind.

Just listen to how closed she is from even considering that she may be
wrong. She just keeps repeating over and over about rotting decaying
matter in the colon and the need to regularly clean it out.

Aloha,

Rich

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Quoted message said:

Toby Joe said:

Quoted message said:

In the in the absence of repeatable studies showing
that *treatment 01* has a positive reduction in the
incidence of *disease 01*, the undeniable scientific
conclusion, by inference, is that *treatment 01* has no
repeatable effect upon the reduction of *disease 01*.

Translation:
"Little research has yet been carried out on this topic, so, we don't
rightly know.."

Thank you for the clear explanation 🙂

TJ you are urged to read the above again, and slowly,
so that you may comprehend.
Much research has been carried out, with repeatable results
in multiple studies.

....To effect that "colonics do NOT reduce" the incidence of colon cancer.
For that is the claim that was made.

In which case, from the "much research" showing that colon irrigation does
"NOT reduce" the incidence of colon cancer, it will be a simple matter for
you to provide a few medline-verifiable study abstracts showing evidence of
that.

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Colonics are not done for the purpose of relieving cancer. They are done to
remove toxins from the system by giving the blood and system a break from
new toxins inorder for the elimination systems to catch up.

"Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Toby Joe said:

> In the in the absence of repeatable studies showing
> that *treatment 01* has a positive reduction in the
> incidence of *disease 01*, the undeniable scientific
> conclusion, by inference, is that *treatment 01* has no
> repeatable effect upon the reduction of *disease 01*.

Translation:
"Little research has yet been carried out on this topic, so, we don't
rightly know.."

Thank you for the clear explanation 🙂

TJ you are urged to read the above again, and slowly,
so that you may comprehend.
Much research has been carried out, with repeatable results
in multiple studies.

...To effect that "colonics do NOT reduce" the incidence of colon cancer.
For that is the claim that was made.

In which case, from the "much research" showing that colon irrigation does
"NOT reduce" the incidence of colon cancer, it will be a simple matter

for

Quoted message said:

you to provide a few medline-verifiable study abstracts showing evidence

of

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that.

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