Re: Low carb high protein -- a misnomer?

Jennifer wrote:
|| Not exactly.

Not exactly what? I confused by that.

||
|| First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein than
|| before.

Okay, but it is possible to eat a lot more protein. Some people do so.

||
|| Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We all
|| ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no bun and
|| had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the same
|| hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a
|| higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my
|| friends.
||
|| Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume.

I didn't see an assumption...

||
|| Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat,
|| about 58 grams of it becomes sugar.
||
|| But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of
|| the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food.
||
|| A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains
|| about 20 or 25 grams of protein.
||
|| The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
|| carbohydrates, not 58 grams.

Thanks for the math and breakdown, but that point was not in question. I
guess what I'm wanting to know is what you mean by "Not exactly".

||
|| And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6 -
|| 8g
|| of carbs.

But if I eat enough protein food to get 200 g of protein, than that is 116 g
of carbs just from protein-rich foods. That is certainly possible to do
since that only represents 800 kcals of food.

||
|| Jennifer
||
||
|| Ignoramus26161 wrote:
||
||| Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our
||| body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to
||| carbs/glucose.
|||
||| If so, then a high protein diet actually supplies us with a lot of
||| carbs, right?
|||
||| So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of
||| protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not
||| really low carb.
|||
||| Makes sense?
|||
||| i

Ignoramus26161 said:

Suppose that I do eat an excess of protein, say 300 grams of it. Say
that I use 100 grams for maintaining my body tissues, that leaves me
with 200*0.58 == 116 grams of sugar produced.

Other way around. 300 * 0.58 = 174g sugar, leaving you 126g protein
to maintain body tissues. However, your liver stops converting
protein when it has enough carbs, likely leaving more protein for body
tissues.

Since the liver stops converting when it has enough, I don't think
overdoing the protein can have the same effects as overdoing the
carbs, so IMHO it won't make it not LC.

Roger Zoul said:

Jennifer wrote:
|| Not exactly.

Not exactly what? I confused by that.

The "not exactly" referred to the OP comment:

Quoted message said:

||| So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of
||| protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not
||| really low carb.
|||
||| Makes sense?

Quoted message said:

||
|| First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein than
|| before.

Okay, but it is possible to eat a lot more protein. Some people do so.

I didn't say it wasn't possible.

Quoted message said:

||
|| Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We all
|| ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no bun and
|| had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the same
|| hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a
|| higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my
|| friends.
||
|| Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume.

I didn't see an assumption...

This was the assumption:

Quoted message said:

||| Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our
||| body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to
||| carbs/glucose.

The "rest" is not coverted to carbs/glucose.

Quoted message said:

||
|| Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat,
|| about 58 grams of it becomes sugar.
||
|| But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of
|| the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food.
||
|| A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains
|| about 20 or 25 grams of protein.
||
|| The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
|| carbohydrates, not 58 grams.

Thanks for the math and breakdown, but that point was not in question. I
guess what I'm wanting to know is what you mean by "Not exactly".

||
|| And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6 -
|| 8g
|| of carbs.

But if I eat enough protein food to get 200 g of protein, than that is 116 g
of carbs just from protein-rich foods. That is certainly possible to do
since that only represents 800 kcals of foodj.

To eat 200g of protein you'd be eating approx. 800g - 1000g of actual
food... remember it's not the weight of the food, it's the grams of
protein in that food. Every 100g of a protein food is comprised of
approx. 20 -25g of protein.

And of course, yes it's possible to eat that much.

Jennifer

If what you are asking is: Does excess protein contain hidden carbs
that most LC people are not aware of?

The answer is yes.

But for the hundreds of thousands on this WOE, it appears they are
balancing it well enough to acheive their goals. If someone is at a
stall, then they may want to look at their protein intake for hidden carbs.

Jennifer

Ignoramus26161 said:

In article said:

Not exactly.

First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein than before.

That's true (I do not like excess of protein very much myself) but is
beside the point.

Suppose that I do eat an excess of protein, say 300 grams of it. Say
that I use 100 grams for maintaining my body tissues, that leaves me
with 200*0.58 == 116 grams of sugar produced. Would that not negate
the supposed "low carb" nature of my diet?

Quoted message said:

Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We all
ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no bun and
had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the same hamburger
patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a higher
"percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my friends.

That's nice to hear, but not exactly answering my question.

Quoted message said:

Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume.

Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat, about 58
grams of it becomes sugar.

But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of the
protein itself, not the weight of the protein food.

A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains about
20 or 25 grams of protein.

The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
carbohydrates, not 58 grams.

And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6 - 8g
of carbs.

Again, that's sensible, but does not answer my question.

i

Jennifer said:

Not exactly.

First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein than before.

Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We all
ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no bun and
had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the same hamburger
patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a higher
"percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my friends.

Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume.

Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat, about 58
grams of it becomes sugar.

But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of the
protein itself, not the weight of the protein food.

A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains about
20 or 25 grams of protein.

The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
carbohydrates, not 58 grams.

And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6 - 8g
of carbs.

Jennifer

Ignoramus26161 said:

Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our
body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to
carbs/glucose.

If so, then a high protein diet actually supplies us with a lot of
carbs, right?

So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of
protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not really
low carb.

Makes sense?

i

How do you explain bodybuilders that taper the carbs and increase the
protein during cutting? If all that protein was converted to sugar, how
would they ever drop the extra pounds?

Jennifer wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||| Jennifer wrote:
||||| Not exactly.
|||
||| Not exactly what? I confused by that.
||
|| The "not exactly" referred to the OP comment:
||
|| > ||| So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest
|| amount of > ||| protein, and not a gross excess of protein.
|| Otherwise it is not > ||| really low carb.
|| > |||
|| > ||| Makes sense?

So what does not exactly mean? Are you saying that most LCers don't eat
modest amounts of protein or that eating a gross excess of protein is really
low carb? I guess it is the latter...

||
||
|||
|||||
||||| First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein
||||| than before.
|||
||| Okay, but it is possible to eat a lot more protein. Some people do
||| so.
||
|| I didn't say it wasn't possible.

Right. I was commenting that some on LC do eat lots of protein.

||
|||
|||||
||||| Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We
||||| all ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no
||||| bun and had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the
||||| same
||||| hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a
||||| higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my
||||| friends.
|||||
||||| Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume.
|||
||| I didn't see an assumption...
||
|| This was the assumption:
||
|| > ||| Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein
|| than our > ||| body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest
|| is converted to > ||| carbs/glucose.
||
|| The "rest" is not coverted to carbs/glucose.
||

What happens to it?

||
|||||
||||| Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat,
||||| about 58 grams of it becomes sugar.
|||||
||||| But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of
||||| the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food.
|||||
||||| A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains
||||| about 20 or 25 grams of protein.
|||||
||||| The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
||||| carbohydrates, not 58 grams.
|||
||| Thanks for the math and breakdown, but that point was not in
||| question. I guess what I'm wanting to know is what you mean by "Not
||| exactly".
|||
|||||
||||| And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about
||||| 6 - 8g
||||| of carbs.
|||
|||
||| But if I eat enough protein food to get 200 g of protein, than that
||| is 116 g of carbs just from protein-rich foods. That is certainly
||| possible to do since that only represents 800 kcals of foodj.
||
|| To eat 200g of protein you'd be eating approx. 800g - 1000g of actual
|| food... remember it's not the weight of the food, it's the grams of
|| protein in that food. Every 100g of a protein food is comprised of
|| approx. 20 -25g of protein.
||

If you notice I said "to get 200g of protein". it is very easy to do that
just by tracking the amount of protein in various food sources, so I'm not
sure why you felt the need to explain that again, as if I didn't know.

|| And of course, yes it's possible to eat that much.

I know it is because I've done it.

DJ Delorie wrote:
|| Ignoramus26161 <[email hidden]> writes:
||| Suppose that I do eat an excess of protein, say 300 grams of it. Say
||| that I use 100 grams for maintaining my body tissues, that leaves me
||| with 200*0.58 == 116 grams of sugar produced.
||
|| Other way around. 300 * 0.58 = 174g sugar, leaving you 126g protein
|| to maintain body tissues. However, your liver stops converting
|| protein when it has enough carbs, likely leaving more protein for
|| body tissues.
||
|| Since the liver stops converting when it has enough, I don't think
|| overdoing the protein can have the same effects as overdoing the
|| carbs, so IMHO it won't make it not LC.

I wonder how this fits in with that protein power plan? They consider their
diet LC and high protein, correct?

Rusty wrote:
|| Jennifer wrote:
||
||| Not exactly.
|||
||| First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein than
||| before.
|||
||| Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We all
||| ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no bun
||| and
||| had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the same
||| hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a
||| higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my
||| friends.
|||
||| Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume.
|||
||| Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat,
||| about 58 grams of it becomes sugar.
|||
||| But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of
||| the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food.
|||
||| A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains
||| about 20 or 25 grams of protein.
|||
||| The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
||| carbohydrates, not 58 grams.
|||
||| And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6
||| - 8g
||| of carbs.
|||
||| Jennifer
|||
|||
||| Ignoramus26161 wrote:
|||
|||| Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our
|||| body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to
|||| carbs/glucose.
||||
|||| If so, then a high protein diet actually supplies us with a lot of
|||| carbs, right?
||||
|||| So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of
|||| protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not
|||| really low carb.
||||
|||| Makes sense?
||||
|||| i
|||
|||
|| How do you explain bodybuilders that taper the carbs and increase the
|| protein during cutting? If all that protein was converted to sugar,
|| how would they ever drop the extra pounds?

easy....eat below a maintenance level of calories.

Roger Zoul said:

Jennifer wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||| Jennifer wrote:
||||| Not exactly.
|||
||| Not exactly what? I confused by that.
||
|| The "not exactly" referred to the OP comment:
||
|| > ||| So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest
|| amount of > ||| protein, and not a gross excess of protein.
|| Otherwise it is not > ||| really low carb.
|| > |||
|| > ||| Makes sense?

So what does not exactly mean? Are you saying that most LCers don't eat
modest amounts of protein or that eating a gross excess of protein is really
low carb? I guess it is the latter...

The "not exactly", was an answer to "Makes sense"... it doesn't
*exactly* make sense.

Quoted message said:

||
||
|||
|||||
||||| First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein
||||| than before.
|||
||| Okay, but it is possible to eat a lot more protein. Some people do
||| so.
||
|| I didn't say it wasn't possible.

Right. I was commenting that some on LC do eat lots of protein.

||
|||
|||||
||||| Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We
||||| all ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no
||||| bun and had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the
||||| same
||||| hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a
||||| higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my
||||| friends.
|||||
||||| Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume.
|||
||| I didn't see an assumption...
||
|| This was the assumption:
||
|| > ||| Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein
|| than our > ||| body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest
|| is converted to > ||| carbs/glucose.
||
|| The "rest" is not coverted to carbs/glucose.
||

What happens to it?

Not all the rest is converted to carbs/glucose, as the OP inferred.

Some are broken down into building blocks known as peptides.

Then, it is further broken down and it becomes amino acids.

The amino acids are absorbed through the small intestine's lining and
enter the blood stream.

From here, some of the amino acids build the body's protein stores.

Excess protein, which is absorbed, but not utilized may be excreted in the
form of urea and other carbon containing compounds. And some if eaten
in the extreme can be stored as fat.

Jennifer

Quoted message said:

||
|||||
||||| Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat,
||||| about 58 grams of it becomes sugar.
|||||
||||| But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of
||||| the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food.
|||||
||||| A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains
||||| about 20 or 25 grams of protein.
|||||
||||| The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
||||| carbohydrates, not 58 grams.
|||
||| Thanks for the math and breakdown, but that point was not in
||| question. I guess what I'm wanting to know is what you mean by "Not
||| exactly".
|||
|||||
||||| And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about
||||| 6 - 8g
||||| of carbs.
|||
|||
||| But if I eat enough protein food to get 200 g of protein, than that
||| is 116 g of carbs just from protein-rich foods. That is certainly
||| possible to do since that only represents 800 kcals of foodj.
||
|| To eat 200g of protein you'd be eating approx. 800g - 1000g of actual
|| food... remember it's not the weight of the food, it's the grams of
|| protein in that food. Every 100g of a protein food is comprised of
|| approx. 20 -25g of protein.
||

If you notice I said "to get 200g of protein". it is very easy to do that
just by tracking the amount of protein in various food sources, so I'm not
sure why you felt the need to explain that again, as if I didn't know.

|| And of course, yes it's possible to eat that much.

I know it is because I've done it.

Roger Zoul said:

I wonder how this fits in with that protein power plan? They consider their
diet LC and high protein, correct?

Not according to their website... they say:

"The Protein Power plan is a nutritional strategy involving lower
carbohydrate, adequate protein and healthy fat choices."

Jennifer

Jennifer said:

Not exactly.

First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein than
before.

Not in amount, but the overall percentage of what a person eats in protein
and/or fat changes with low carb.

Jennifer wrote.

Quoted message said:

A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains about
20 or 25 grams of protein.

The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
carbohydrates, not 58 grams.

And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6 - 8g
of carbs.

Hi Jennifer,

haven't you applied the 58% conversion factor twice?
(58% of 25g is app. 14g and then 58% of 14g yields app. 8g ?)

Also, I am not quite clear about what happens to the amount of protein
the body needs for tissue repair - is that partially converted to glucose as
well
or does the glucose conversion only take place when consuming protein
above that level?

Your very informative website on protein needs
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/proteincalc.htm
seems to indicate that. In that case - what happens to the
42% of the amino acids that cannot be converted to glucose?
Are they all excreeted?

BTW - thanks very much for compiling your excellent websites -
they have really helped me a lot ! (especially your page on "protein breath"
was an eye opener for me - whenever I notice protein breath now
I cut down on protein and it goes away.. )

Take care,
Hamburger

Jennifer wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||| Jennifer wrote:
||||| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||||
|||||| Jennifer wrote:
|||||||| Not exactly.
||||||
|||||| Not exactly what? I confused by that.
|||||
||||| The "not exactly" referred to the OP comment:
|||||
||||| > ||| So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest
||||| amount of > ||| protein, and not a gross excess of protein.
||||| Otherwise it is not > ||| really low carb.
||||| > |||
||||| > ||| Makes sense?
|||
||| So what does not exactly mean? Are you saying that most LCers
||| don't eat modest amounts of protein or that eating a gross excess
||| of protein is really low carb? I guess it is the latter...
||
||
|| The "not exactly", was an answer to "Makes sense"... it doesn't
|| *exactly* make sense.
||

Okay....man! Makes sense 🙂

Jennifer wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||
||| I wonder how this fits in with that protein power plan? They
||| consider their diet LC and high protein, correct?
||
|| Not according to their website... they say:
||
|| "The Protein Power plan is a nutritional strategy involving lower
|| carbohydrate, adequate protein and healthy fat choices."

I'm not sure what that means....but then again, no one ever defines what is
meant by high protein, either. I'm beginning to read the book now, though.

Hamburger wrote:
|| Jennifer wrote.
||
||| A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains
||| about 20 or 25 grams of protein.
|||
||| The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
||| carbohydrates, not 58 grams.
|||
||| And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6
||| - 8g of carbs.
||
||
|| Hi Jennifer,
||
|| haven't you applied the 58% conversion factor twice?
|| (58% of 25g is app. 14g and then 58% of 14g yields app. 8g ?)
||
|| Also, I am not quite clear about what happens to the amount of
|| protein
|| the body needs for tissue repair - is that partially converted to
|| glucose as well
|| or does the glucose conversion only take place when consuming protein
|| above that level?
||
|| Your very informative website on protein needs
|| http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/proteincalc.htm
|| seems to indicate that. In that case - what happens to the
|| 42% of the amino acids that cannot be converted to glucose?
|| Are they all excreeted?
||
|| BTW - thanks very much for compiling your excellent websites -
|| they have really helped me a lot ! (especially your page on "protein
|| breath" was an eye opener for me - whenever I notice protein breath
|| now
|| I cut down on protein and it goes away.. )

Jennifer and Jenny are not the same person. 🙂

Hamburger said:

Jennifer wrote.

Quoted message said:

A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains about
20 or 25 grams of protein.

The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
carbohydrates, not 58 grams.

And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6 - 8g
of carbs.

Hi Jennifer,

haven't you applied the 58% conversion factor twice?
(58% of 25g is app. 14g and then 58% of 14g yields app. 8g ?)

Also, I am not quite clear about what happens to the amount of protein
the body needs for tissue repair - is that partially converted to glucose as
well
or does the glucose conversion only take place when consuming protein
above that level?

Your very informative website on protein needs
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/proteincalc.htm
seems to indicate that. In that case - what happens to the
42% of the amino acids that cannot be converted to glucose?
Are they all excreeted?

BTW - thanks very much for compiling your excellent websites -
they have really helped me a lot ! (especially your page on "protein breath"
was an eye opener for me - whenever I notice protein breath now
I cut down on protein and it goes away.. )

Take care,
Hamburger

In reference to the website, which is good, why is it not mentioned that
the fat,carb,pro/bodyweight means lean bodyweight not total bodyweight?

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Rusty wrote:
|| Jennifer wrote:
||
||| Not exactly.
|||
||| First of all, most of us are not eating that much more protein than
||| before.
|||
||| Here's an example: I went to lunch with friends yesterday. We all
||| ordered the same thing, a cheeseburger plate. I asked for no bun
||| and
||| had a salad instead of the fries. Since we all had the same
||| hamburger patty... our protein content was the same... mine was a
||| higher "percentage" of my meal, but the grams were the same as my
||| friends.
|||
||| Also, protein does not convert to glucose the way you assume.
|||
||| Of every 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces by weight) of protein you eat,
||| about 58 grams of it becomes sugar.
|||
||| But it's important to note that we are talking about the weight of
||| the protein itself, not the weight of the protein food.
|||
||| A 3 1/2-ounce piece of meat weighs 100 grams, but it only contains
||| about 20 or 25 grams of protein.
|||
||| The piece of meat would give about 10 to 14 grams of actual
||| carbohydrates, not 58 grams.
|||
||| And only 58% of that 10 to 14g will convert to glucose, or about 6
||| - 8g
||| of carbs.
|||
||| Jennifer
|||
|||
||| Ignoramus26161 wrote:
|||
|||| Here's what I am thinking about... If we eat more protein than our
|||| body requires for repairing body tissues, the rest is converted to
|||| carbs/glucose.
||||
|||| If so, then a high protein diet actually supplies us with a lot of
|||| carbs, right?
||||
|||| So, then, real low carbing should involve eating modest amount of
|||| protein, and not a gross excess of protein. Otherwise it is not
|||| really low carb.
||||
|||| Makes sense?
||||
|||| i
|||
|||
|| How do you explain bodybuilders that taper the carbs and increase the
|| protein during cutting? If all that protein was converted to sugar,
|| how would they ever drop the extra pounds?

easy....eat below a maintenance level of calories.

For those curious about BB's diets designed to loose fat and "cut", read this as this is typical of their pre-comp diet. It makes your head spin:

Meal One ( Breakfast )- Extremely Complex and Fibrous Starchy Carbohydrates and Proteins. The goal here is to induce the release of a low amount of insulin, but in no way
an overproduction of it. This will suppress cortisol and bring amino acids to your muscles cells for their maintenance and reparation.

supplementation: One gram of Vitamin C, a Multi-Vitamin/Multi Mineral if taking. 10 grams of glutamine recommended.

Meal Two Weight Lifting Day ( Post Workout Meal ) - Read, The Window of Opportunity

Meal Two Cardio Day - On this day I suggest a complex starchy carb, rather than a sugar spike. Just enough carbs to lower cortisol. So rather than have punch, eat a baked
sweet potato with some splenda and a protein source such as whey protein or lean chicken.

Meal Two Day Off - This meal on your off day will reflect meal three exactly, except, I would like you to cut your starchy carb intake in half here and double your fibrous green
intake.

Meal Three - Complex and Fibrous Starchy Carbohydrates, and Protein. The carb source will be extremely complex and will only stimulate a small insulin release from the
pancreas. The protein will repair and maintain your muscular network.

supplementation: One gram of Vitamin C, 5 grams of glutamine recommended.

Meal Four - Essential Fatty Acids Combined With a Protein Source, and leafy greens. The goal here is to simply give our bodies an adequate supply of omega 3's and omega
6's, keep insulin levels low, and still provide an energy source in the form of fat. The vegetables will strengthen your immune system, increase nutrient uptake and slow
digestion. Last but not least our intensions are to maintain a high level of amino acids in the blood stream for muscular and immune system benefits.

Meal Five - Fibrous Green Veggies, Essential Fatty Acids and Protein Source. Insulin resistance is higher at night, which is why you will avoid starchier carbs. The greens
will still provide an adequate energy source and the essential fatty acids will do their endless jobs along with the amino acids broken down from the protein.

Meal Six - Essential Fatty Acids Combined With a Protein Source. Our goal here is to simply give our bodies an adequate supply of omega 3's and omega 6's, keep insulin
levels low, and still provide an energy source in the form of fat. Last but not least our intensions are to maintain a high level of amino acids in the blood stream for muscular
and immune system benefits.

supplementation: 5 -10 grams of glutamine recommended.

Sample Calorie Cycling Period

I will outline how your caloric intake should look, try and stay within these guidelines.

Sample 2, 500 calorie day

meal 1 = 500 calories

meal 2 = 300 calories

meal 3 = 500 calories

meal 4 = 500 calories post workout

meal 5 = 400 calories

meal 6 = 300 calories

Guidelines Brought To Life! - Sample Meal Plan

Below I will outline a sample meal plan. For an example, we will again use a person who is currently consuming 2, 500 calories a day.

Breakfast:

1 1/2 servings of Oatmeal 250 calories
50 grams of Whey Protein 250 calories
Two Glasses Of Water

total: 500 calories, 50 grams of quality protein

One hour before your workout drink 2-3 tall glasses of water.

workout ( This is what its all about, so give me 200 percent effort! )

meal two post workout meal

Follow the Window Of Opportunity guidelines here.

meal three

a baked or steamed sweet potato 115 calories
small tossed green salad with safflower oil 185 calories
broiled chicken breast 200 calories
two tall glasses of water

total 500 calories, 40 grams of protein

meal two:

broiled Salmon 200 calories
One heaping Spoonful of a mixture of Flax Seed & Safflower Oil (150 calories), A glass of water

total: 350 calories, 40 grams of quality protein

Meal Five

Mixture of Efa's - 100 calories

Lean Tri-Tip Steak - 300 calories
Steamed Spinach - 100 calories
glass of ice water

total 500 calories, 60 grams of protein

Meal Six

30 grams of Cottage Cheese - 150 calories
One Spoonful of A mixture of Flax Seed Oil and Safflower Oil - 150 calories

Steamed Spinach - 50 calories
A glass of water