Technically nothing, but I find don't like the aesthetics of a backward sloping top tube. A slight backward slope might be ok. For example I find Giant compact frames ugly, but the angle of the top tube on a Focus Cayo looks good to me (it might not be 100% level, I don't have a pure side photo of that bike).
I should have added to my OP that I also don't fancy the aesthetics of curved, tapered or stepped frame tubes.
If it were it not for the Darth Vader black colour (particularly on the 2008 model), a Focus Cayo Triple would be my dream bike. Gorgeous frame shape IMO, it virtually matches the clean lines of an alu frame.
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If it were it not for the Darth Vader black colour (particularly on the 2008 model), a Focus Cayo Triple would be my dream bike. Gorgeous frame shape IMO, it virtually matches the clean lines of an alu frame.
So get one and paint it whatever colours you want.
Technically nothing, but I find don't like the aesthetics of a backward sloping top tube. A slight backward slope might be ok. For example I find Giant compact frames ugly, but the angle of the top tube on a Focus Cayo looks good to me (it might not be 100% level, I don't have a pure side photo of that bike).
With your budget you could get a decent frame and build it up yourself with mid to high end components of your exact choice. It's a very satisfying thing to do, and I'm sure you'd end up loving the way the bike looks, regardless of frame-shape, because it will be /your/ bike. If the best frames happen to have backward sloping top tubes, get one!
If it were it not for the Darth Vader black colour (particularly on the 2008 model), a Focus Cayo Triple would be my dream bike. Gorgeous frame shape IMO, it virtually matches the clean lines of an alu frame.
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So get one and paint it whatever colours you want.
I assume you are being sarcastic. If you find the question trivial, your reader should have an "Ignore thread" feature.
I'm sure you'd end up loving the way the bike looks, regardless of frame-shape, because it will be /your/ bike. If the best frames happen to have backward sloping top tubes, get one!
Only I know what works for me. No disrespect for your choice it just isn't mine. Vive la différence and all that.
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If it were it not for the Darth Vader black colour (particularly on the 2008 model), a Focus Cayo Triple would be my dream bike. Gorgeous frame shape IMO, it virtually matches the clean lines of an alu frame.
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So get one and paint it whatever colours you want.
I assume you are being sarcastic. If you find the question trivial, your reader should have an "Ignore thread" feature.
If it were it not for the Darth Vader black colour (particularly on the 2008 model), a Focus Cayo Triple would be my dream bike. Gorgeous frame shape IMO, it virtually matches the clean lines of an alu frame.
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So get one and paint it whatever colours you want.
I assume you are being sarcastic. If you find the question trivial, your reader should have an "Ignore thread" feature.
What's wrong with the respray suggestion? If you're after an object of desire then it only seems reasonable.
I'm sure you'd end up loving the way the bike looks, regardless of frame-shape, because it will be /your/ bike. If the best frames happen to have backward sloping top tubes, get one!
Only I know what works for me. No disrespect for your choice it just isn't mine. Vive la différence and all that.
You're not really encouraging people to give you advice here.
I'm sure you'd end up loving the way the bike looks, regardless of frame-shape, because it will be /your/ bike. If the best frames happen to have backward sloping top tubes, get one!
Only I know what works for me. No disrespect for your choice it just isn't mine. Vive la différence and all that.
You're not really encouraging people to give you advice here.
I didn't ask for advice on what I should like. I stipulated what I like, to then say that I shouldn't like what I like, and say that I should like what someone else likes is either terribly rude and/or arrogant by considering his choice as the only one, and any other preference therefore wrong.
More realistically it contained a price limit, the reference to a lottery win was only to reinforce the message that I am not yet in a position to buy one.
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Can be reapplied if needs be
At considerable extra cost when painted, stickers are unlikely to be available from the manufacturer.
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, but why is it important to you?
The post is about /my/ dream bike, not your's or anyone else's.
I didn't ask for advice on what I should like. I stipulated what I like, to then say that I shouldn't like what I like, and say that I should like what someone else likes is either terribly rude and/or arrogant by considering his choice as the only one, and any other preference therefore wrong.
You know what mate? As per your original request I did have a couple of bikes in mind that I would have recommended, but if you are going to shoot down anyone that comes up with anything that is off by so much as 1 point from your dream machine I can't be arsed to offer any help. Good luck on your solo search.
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Your brief included a lottery win
More realistically it contained a price limit, the reference to a lottery win was only to reinforce the message that I am not yet in a position to buy one.
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Branding will disappear
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Can be reapplied if needs be
At considerable extra cost when painted, stickers are unlikely to be available from the manufacturer.
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, but why is it important to you?
The post is about /my/ dream bike, not your's or anyone else's.
So if you want the specs for /your/ dream bike why did you ask for /our/ suggestions then rubbish them?
I didn't ask for advice on what I should like. I stipulated what I like, to then say that I shouldn't like what I like, and say that I should like what someone else likes is either terribly rude and/or arrogant by considering his choice as the only one, and any other preference therefore wrong.
You know what mate? As per your original request I did have a couple of bikes in mind that I would have recommended, but if you are going to shoot down anyone that comes up with anything that is off by so much as 1 point from your dream machine I can't be arsed to offer any help. Good luck on your solo search.
I'm sure you'd end up loving the way the bike looks, regardless of frame-shape, because it will be /your/ bike. If the best frames happen to have backward sloping top tubes, get one!
Only I know what works for me. No disrespect for your choice it just isn't mine. Vive la différence and all that.
Have you owned a bike with a backwards sloping top tube?* Until you have, you don't know what you might grow to like.
By the way, you need to cheer up a bit. My post was only meant as bit of friendly encouragement (to get a good bike, not just a good-looking bike). Not exactly heavy criticism.
* I have. I previously hated the aesthetics of sloping top tubes. Now I don't.
>I'm sure you'd end up loving the way the bike looks, >regardless of frame-shape, because it will be /your/ bike. If the best >frames happen to have backward sloping top tubes, get one!
Only I know what works for me. No disrespect for your choice it just isn't mine. Vive la différence and all that.
You're not really encouraging people to give you advice here.
I didn't ask for advice on what I should like. I stipulated what I like, to then say that I shouldn't like what I like, and say that I should like what someone else likes is either terribly rude and/or arrogant by considering his choice as the only one, and any other preference therefore wrong.
I apologise for that last sentence. It reads as if I'm lashing out at Pete Biggs. I believe that his advice was well meant and intended to be helpful.
I didn't understand why Pete recommended going for "the best frame" when I thought that by virtue of its absence of in my spec list it was clear that a factor such as the performance differences between carbon frames weren't a concern for me. I now realise that it was reasonable to think that I may not have considered it. I believe that I followed up to Pete's message in a respectful manner, although I should have mentioned to him that I had considered performance differences and did not find it relevant enough to affect my choice.
Initially after reading Pete's (and other people's) reply, I thought "Why are they arguing with my stated choice/preference?", whilst in that frame of mind, Luke's follow up caused me to lash out.
