Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness



On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:42:11 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:56:18 -0700, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:32:18 -0700, Bill C <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>
>>> The kindest thing I could call you is a hypocritical elitist.
>>>What democracy needs, is to be saved from fascists like you who KNOW
>>>what we all need, and want to mandate, using our money.
>>>Free trails for free people!
>>>
>>>Bill C
>>
>>I have no interest in your trails. I only want to protect the wildlife
>>from you and your ilk. They don't deserve the destruction that people
>>like you are wreaking on the Earth. 99% of the extinctions that have
>>happened since we evolved have been due to us.
>
>And you really, really think that mountain bike trails are a part of these
>exinctions you claim. You are either dumber than shoe leather that steps in ****
>or you are deranged.
>
>Mountain bikes ain't the problem.

They sure are. Read, for example, _A Primer of Conservation Biology_,
by Richard B. Primack, and then come back after you know something.
Pay particular attention to the discussion of habitat fragmentation.
And the discussion of how the presence of humans drives away the
wildlife. (Sorry, I'm not aware of a translation into words of one
syl-la-ble.)
--
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:57:40 +0100, Peter Clinch
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>[Of Vandespam]
>> And you really, really think <snip>
>
>No, he really, really and most emphatically does *not* think, he just
>spontaneously spews out poison at anyone riding a bike away from
>pavement, and he doesn't do /anything/ else.

The fact that YOU can't understand me is a feather in my cap.

>> You are either dumber than shoe leather that steps in ****
>> or you are deranged.
>
>That'll be an inclusive "or", of course.
>
>There is no point trying to engage in dialogue with Vandeman; he doesn't
>do reason, he just does tirades. Since it's obvious he doesn't do
>reason it's best to just put him in the Bozo Bin where he so richly
>deserves to be.
>
>Pete.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
It's odd, around here it seems to work the other way around. I go
mountain biking at the weekends and train on roads during the week. The
trails I mountain bike on have been purpose built and maintained by a
big group of keep bikers, they have received permission of the local
Foresty Commision. The trail covers about a 5 square mile area of the
wood land and people rarely deviate from this (when they do it's blocked
up by the trail builders).

With money from the car parking (well out of the war of the rest of the
wood land), the Café and sponsors the Foresty Commision keeps the rest
of the area in check, an area probably 20x the area of the track I ride
around. It's a sad fact that nature reserves today cost money but they
do, this sort of funding is perfect.

The Council have recently decided to build a big walking path through
the middle of the trail, probably using the money they recieved from all
the cyclists (the car park is always crammed). The area is already
covered in walking routes. Ho hum.
 
It's odd, around here it seems to work the other way around. I go
mountain biking at the weekends and train on roads during the week. The
trails I mountain bike on have been purpose built and maintained by a
big group of keen bikers, they have received permission of the local
Foresty Commision. The trail covers about a 5 square mile area of the
wood land and people rarely deviate from this (when they do it's blocked
up by the trail builders).

With money from the car parking (well out of the way of the rest of the
woodland), the Café and sponsors the Foresty Commision keeps the rest of
the area in check, an area probably 20x the area of the track I ride
around. It's a sad fact that nature reserves today cost money but they
do, this sort of funding is perfect.

The Council have recently decided to build a big walking path through
the middle of the trail, probably using the money they recieved from all
the cyclists (the car park is always crammed). The area is already
covered in walking routes. Ho hum.

I work as a programmer during the week, it's nice having a blast through
the woods to get the blood pumping. Still, it's probably greedy of me to
ask this. I'm sure the selfless walkers never deviate from their many
tracks, I can't say for sure as I rarely see any, they're normally
strolling down the middle of the cycling only trail when I do. Rules
don't actually seem to apply to ramblers and they REALLY resent moving
when they're in the way.
 
On Sep 4, 11:27 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:57:40 +0100, Peter Clinch
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
> >[Of Vandespam]
> >> And you really, really think <snip>
>
> >No, he really, really and most emphatically does *not* think, he just
> >spontaneously spews out poison at anyone riding a bike away from
> >pavement, and he doesn't do /anything/ else.
>
> The fact that YOU can't understand me is a feather in my cap.
>
> >> You are either dumber than shoe leather that steps in ****
> >> or you are deranged.
>
> >That'll be an inclusive "or", of course.
>
> >There is no point trying to engage in dialogue with Vandeman; he doesn't
> >do reason, he just does tirades. Since it's obvious he doesn't do
> >reason it's best to just put him in the Bozo Bin where he so richly
> >deserves to be.
>
> >Pete.
>
> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

More elitist BS. "I'm so advanced that none of you can undestand me!"
Heard from lots of really pathetic people who've failed miserably at
life, and their attempts to drag others down.
I'd bet your one of those folks who think a colossal plague, or war
that wipes out most of humanity would be a great thing too.
It's really too bad that loonies like you are actually taken
seriously by some people. Let's just mandate that nay technology post
1700 is banned on pain of death, the population is to be reduced by
75% and those selected are to be rounded up and composted.
I can see you supporting that agenda.
Bill C
 
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:44:57 -0700, Bill C <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sep 4, 11:27 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:57:40 +0100, Peter Clinch
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>> >[Of Vandespam]
>> >> And you really, really think <snip>
>>
>> >No, he really, really and most emphatically does *not* think, he just
>> >spontaneously spews out poison at anyone riding a bike away from
>> >pavement, and he doesn't do /anything/ else.
>>
>> The fact that YOU can't understand me is a feather in my cap.
>>
>> >> You are either dumber than shoe leather that steps in ****
>> >> or you are deranged.
>>
>> >That'll be an inclusive "or", of course.
>>
>> >There is no point trying to engage in dialogue with Vandeman; he doesn't
>> >do reason, he just does tirades. Since it's obvious he doesn't do
>> >reason it's best to just put him in the Bozo Bin where he so richly
>> >deserves to be.
>>
>> >Pete.
>>
>> --
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
>More elitist BS. "I'm so advanced that none of you can undestand me!"
>Heard from lots of really pathetic people who've failed miserably at
>life, and their attempts to drag others down.
>I'd bet your one of those folks who think a colossal plague, or war
>that wipes out most of humanity would be a great thing too.
> It's really too bad that loonies like you are actually taken
>seriously by some people. Let's just mandate that nay technology post
>1700 is banned on pain of death, the population is to be reduced by
>75% and those selected are to be rounded up and composted.
> I can see you supporting that agenda.
>Bill C

Yawn.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:05:16 +0100, Toasty <Toasty> wrote:

>It's odd, around here it seems to work the other way around. I go
>mountain biking at the weekends and train on roads during the week. The
>trails I mountain bike on have been purpose built and maintained by a
>big group of keep bikers, they have received permission of the local
>Foresty Commision. The trail covers about a 5 square mile area of the
>wood land and people rarely deviate from this (when they do it's blocked
>up by the trail builders).
>
>With money from the car parking (well out of the war of the rest of the
>wood land), the Café and sponsors the Foresty Commision keeps the rest
>of the area in check, an area probably 20x the area of the track I ride
>around. It's a sad fact that nature reserves today cost money but they
>do, this sort of funding is perfect.
>
>The Council have recently decided to build a big walking path through
>the middle of the trail, probably using the money they recieved from all
>the cyclists (the car park is always crammed). The area is already
>covered in walking routes. Ho hum.

Hey, that's just how it works here. Our Parks and Wildlife service considers
mountain bikers to be a significant and very welcome constituency.

Ron
 
On Sep 5, 12:04 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Yawn.
> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yep, you are an eco-terrorist wannabe version of George Bush who is
on his own deluded crusade, and noone else's opinion or research
matters because YOU are god, or God has given you your mission.
Just like his buddies he only had actual conversaqtion and exchange
of ideas with people of like mind.
We need to be saved from both you, your friends, him, and his
friends.
Bill C
 
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:04:17 -0700, Bill C <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sep 5, 12:04 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yawn.
>> --
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Yep, you are an eco-terrorist

Proof?

wannabe version of George Bush who is
>on his own deluded crusade, and noone else's opinion or research
>matters because YOU are god, or God has given you your mission.
> Just like his buddies he only had actual conversaqtion and exchange
>of ideas with people of like mind.
> We need to be saved from both you, your friends, him, and his
>friends.
> Bill C
>
>
>
>
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Sep 6, 11:27 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:

> Proof?
>
>
> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande- Hide quoted text -
>

Your own words!

It's Fun tweaking arrogant, know it all twits like you.

Thanks for providing a brief amusement.

Bill C
 
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:43:35 -0700, Bill C <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sep 6, 11:27 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Proof?
>>
>>
>> --
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
>Your own words!

How does that prove I'm an eco-terrorist?

>It's Fun tweaking arrogant, know it all twits like you.
>
>Thanks for providing a brief amusement.
>
>Bill C
>
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Sep 9, 12:39 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:02:29 -0700, Mike Vandeman
> <[email protected]> said in
> <[email protected]>:
>
> >Double-yawn.
>
> Capitulation noted.
>
> Guy
> --
> May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
>
> 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

For someone who claims to be the worlds most excellent genius, or
something like that, Mikey's ability to respond intelligently is
pretty weak. This is understandable in real time conversation, as that
isn't a skill that everyone has, but "yawn" as a cogent response after
given plenty of time for consideration of the discussion, just shows
what he is as a human being.
He's Wiley Coyote, "The Worlds Most Excellent Genius". Just proof
that in many cases PHD stand for "Piled Higher and Deeper".
Anonymous Bill C
 
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:43:16 -0700, Bill C <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sep 9, 12:39 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:02:29 -0700, Mike Vandeman
>> <[email protected]> said in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>> >Double-yawn.
>>
>> Capitulation noted.
>>
>> Guy
>> --
>> May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
>>
>> 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
>
>For someone who claims to be the worlds most excellent genius, or
>something like that, Mikey's ability to respond intelligently is
>pretty weak. This is understandable in real time conversation, as that
>isn't a skill that everyone has, but "yawn" as a cogent response after
>given plenty of time for consideration of the discussion, just shows
>what he is as a human being.
> He's Wiley Coyote, "The Worlds Most Excellent Genius". Just proof
>that in many cases PHD stand for "Piled Higher and Deeper".
>Anonymous Bill C

Anyone unwilling to give his real name isn't worth listening to,
OBVIOUSLY.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
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