Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:37:32 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sep 1, 3:45 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:39:27 GMT, Mike Vandeman
>> <[email protected]> said in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>> >What's a ******?
>>
>> One who makes a repellant mess while giving pleasure to none but
>> himself.
>
>IOW, it's Guy Chapman!

Or any other mountain biker....

>> Guy
>> --
>> May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
>>
>> 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
>
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[Mike Vandeman]

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:56:00 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:37:32 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
><[email protected]> said in
><[email protected]>:
>
>>> >What's a ******?
>>> One who makes a repellant mess while giving pleasure to none but
>>> himself.
>>IOW, it's Guy Chapman!
>
>So you say. But it's Vandeman who is the sick, perverted poster of
>gleeful death reports, not me.

What's sick is trying to sweep the harm that mountain biking does
under the carpet. I'm actually doing mountain bikers a favor by
exposing the truth. It's YOU who are sick, trying to hide the truth.
That only causes more tragedies.

>Guy
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[Mike Vandeman]

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:34:36 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sep 1, 4:56 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:37:32 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>> <[email protected]> said in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>> >> >What's a ******?
>> >> One who makes a repellant mess while giving pleasure to none but
>> >> himself.
>> >IOW, it's Guy Chapman!
>>
>> So you say.
>
>Chapman grasps the obvious!
>
>
>> But it's Vandeman who is the sick, perverted poster of
>> gleeful death reports, not me.
>
>
>The subject was "wankers", simpleton; you are a giant amongst wankers.

Careful, he'll probably take that the wrong way.
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[Mike Vandeman]

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:46:35 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:18:42 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
><[email protected]> said in
><[email protected]>:
>
>>Here's one definition: a little Limey pudpuller who is obsessed with
>>bicycle helmets. IOW, Guy Chapman is the very definition of a ******.
>
>Welcome to the Michael Vandeman fan club, you just increased the
>membership to one.

Don't change the subject. It's YOU.

>Guy
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[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:15:28 -0700, Mike Vandeman
<[email protected]> said in
<[email protected]>:

>>Welcome to the Michael Vandeman fan club, you just increased the
>>membership to one.

>Don't change the subject. It's YOU.

No, I'm not the Mike Vandeman fan club, I think you're a pathetic
loser, but you're funny to watch because yo are so ineffectual that
you pose no risk of actually achieving the ain of your Holy Jihad.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:13:48 -0700, Mike Vandeman
<[email protected]> said in
<[email protected]>:

>What's sick is trying to sweep the harm that mountain biking does
>under the carpet.

LOL! Funny how there are no sources for that supposed harm outside
of your own deranged papers, isn't it? The one independent source
you pretended did support you, turned out not to!

You are a hoot!

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

 

[Tim McNamara]

A better question is "why do people cross-post and propagate Vandeman's
******** for him?"


Followups set.

 

[Tim McNamara]

A better question is "why do people cross-post and propagate Vandeman's
******** for him?"


Followups set.

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:34:59 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:13:48 -0700, Mike Vandeman
><[email protected]> said in
><[email protected]>:
>
>>What's sick is trying to sweep the harm that mountain biking does
>>under the carpet.
>
>LOL! Funny how there are no sources for that supposed harm outside
>of your own deranged papers, isn't it? The one independent source
>you pretended did support you, turned out not to!

Lie on.

>You are a hoot!
>
>Guy
--
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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[Mike Vandeman]

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:33:51 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:15:28 -0700, Mike Vandeman
><[email protected]> said in
><[email protected]>:
>
>>>Welcome to the Michael Vandeman fan club, you just increased the
>>>membership to one.
>
>>Don't change the subject. It's YOU.
>
>No, I'm not the Mike Vandeman fan club, I think you're a pathetic
>loser, but you're funny to watch because yo are so ineffectual that
>you pose no risk of actually achieving the ain of your Holy Jihad.
>
>Guy

Double-yawn.
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[Mike Vandeman]

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:02:53 -0500, Tim McNamara
<[email protected]> wrote:

>A better question is "why do people cross-post and propagate Vandeman's
>******** for him?"
>
>
>Followups set.

Terminal laziness. The same reason mountain bikers refiuse to WALK.
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[Hobbes@spnb&s.com]

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07 -0700, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:34:59 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:13:48 -0700, Mike Vandeman
>><[email protected]> said in
>><[email protected]>:
>>
>>>What's sick is trying to sweep the harm that mountain biking does
>>>under the carpet.
>>
>>LOL! Funny how there are no sources for that supposed harm outside
>>of your own deranged papers, isn't it? The one independent source
>>you pretended did support you, turned out not to!
>
> Lie on.
>
>>You are a hoot!
>>
>>Guy
>--
>I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
>Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

You would be thanked to confine your blithering obsession to newsgroups that
might possibly care. Humans are a part of the habitat, when you remove them and
the changes they make you have no natural habitat. It's like removing beavers
because they damage the habitat. They ARE the habitat. Same thing with humans.
We've been cultivating forests and plains for thousands of years. we've built
paths through the wilderness since the very beginning. The lands without our
work is not "natural."

Now quit acting like a tenured retard and get out in the woods and enjoy them
the way you're supposed to.

 

[[email protected]]

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:05:29 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:

>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07 -0700, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:34:59 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:13:48 -0700, Mike Vandeman
>>><[email protected]> said in
>>><[email protected]>:
>>>
>>>>What's sick is trying to sweep the harm that mountain biking does
>>>>under the carpet.
>>>
>>>LOL! Funny how there are no sources for that supposed harm outside
>>>of your own deranged papers, isn't it? The one independent source
>>>you pretended did support you, turned out not to!
>>
>> Lie on.
>>
>>>You are a hoot!
>>>
>>>Guy
>>--
>>I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>>Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
>You would be thanked to confine your blithering obsession to newsgroups that
>might possibly care. Humans are a part of the habitat, when you remove them and
>the changes they make you have no natural habitat. It's like removing beavers
>because they damage the habitat. They ARE the habitat. Same thing with humans.
>We've been cultivating forests and plains for thousands of years. we've built
>paths through the wilderness since the very beginning. The lands without our
>work is not "natural."
>
>Now quit acting like a tenured retard and get out in the woods and enjoy them
>the way you're supposed to.

Yeah, loggers, diamond miners and big oil along with nuclear power
plants are as much a part of the natural habitat and do about as much
damage as beavers. However, "The lands without our work is not
natural" was most likely written by your undeniably more intelligent
mongoloid brother.

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:05:29 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:

>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07 -0700, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:34:59 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:13:48 -0700, Mike Vandeman
>>><[email protected]> said in
>>><[email protected]>:
>>>
>>>>What's sick is trying to sweep the harm that mountain biking does
>>>>under the carpet.
>>>
>>>LOL! Funny how there are no sources for that supposed harm outside
>>>of your own deranged papers, isn't it? The one independent source
>>>you pretended did support you, turned out not to!
>>
>> Lie on.
>>
>>>You are a hoot!
>>>
>>>Guy
>>--
>>I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>>Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
>You would be thanked to confine your blithering obsession to newsgroups that
>might possibly care. Humans are a part of the habitat,

Humans, as a species, are native to Africa. Period. Everywhere else,
we are a newcomer, and hence an invasive exotic, like zebra mussels or
purple loosestrife. But, hey, thanks for sharing your ignorance and
arrogance with us all.

when you remove them and
>the changes they make you have no natural habitat. It's like removing beavers
>because they damage the habitat. They ARE the habitat. Same thing with humans.
>We've been cultivating forests and plains for thousands of years. we've built
>paths through the wilderness since the very beginning. The lands without our
>work is not "natural."
>
>Now quit acting like a tenured retard and get out in the woods and enjoy them
>the way you're supposed to.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Hobbes@spnb&s.com]

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:55:11 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:05:29 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07 -0700, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>

>>You would be thanked to confine your blithering obsession to newsgroups that
>>might possibly care. Humans are a part of the habitat, when you remove them and
>>the changes they make you have no natural habitat. It's like removing beavers
>>because they damage the habitat. They ARE the habitat. Same thing with humans.
>>We've been cultivating forests and plains for thousands of years. we've built
>>paths through the wilderness since the very beginning. The lands without our
>>work is not "natural."
>>
>>Now quit acting like a tenured retard and get out in the woods and enjoy them
>>the way you're supposed to.
>
>Yeah, loggers, diamond miners and big oil along with nuclear power
>plants are as much a part of the natural habitat and do about as much
>damage as beavers. However, "The lands without our work is not
>natural" was most likely written by your undeniably more intelligent
>mongoloid brother.

Mike isn't complaining about oil refineries and power plants. He is complaining
about people making single track trails through forests.

Do YOU really think those are the same thing?

 

[Hobbes@spnb&s.com]

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:52:59 -0700, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:05:29 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07 -0700, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>

>>You would be thanked to confine your blithering obsession to newsgroups that
>>might possibly care. Humans are a part of the habitat,
>
>Humans, as a species, are native to Africa. Period. Everywhere else,
>we are a newcomer, and hence an invasive exotic, like zebra mussels or
>purple loosestrife. But, hey, thanks for sharing your ignorance and
>arrogance with us all.

Do you propose the usual extermination efforts to deal with this exotic species
infestation?

 

[Hobbes@spnb&s.com]

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:56:18 -0700, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:32:18 -0700, Bill C <[email protected]>
>wrote:

>> The kindest thing I could call you is a hypocritical elitist.
>>What democracy needs, is to be saved from fascists like you who KNOW
>>what we all need, and want to mandate, using our money.
>>Free trails for free people!
>>
>>Bill C
>
>I have no interest in your trails. I only want to protect the wildlife
>from you and your ilk. They don't deserve the destruction that people
>like you are wreaking on the Earth. 99% of the extinctions that have
>happened since we evolved have been due to us.

And you really, really think that mountain bike trails are a part of these
exinctions you claim. You are either dumber than shoe leather that steps in ****
or you are deranged.

Mountain bikes ain't the problem.

 

[Peter Clinch]

Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
[Of Vandespam]
> And you really, really think <snip>

No, he really, really and most emphatically does *not* think, he just
spontaneously spews out poison at anyone riding a bike away from
pavement, and he doesn't do /anything/ else.

> You are either dumber than shoe leather that steps in ****
> or you are deranged.

That'll be an inclusive "or", of course.

There is no point trying to engage in dialogue with Vandeman; he doesn't
do reason, he just does tirades. Since it's obvious he doesn't do
reason it's best to just put him in the Bozo Bin where he so richly
deserves to be.

Pete.
--
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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[Mike Vandeman]

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:35:59 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:55:11 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:05:29 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07 -0700, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>
>>>You would be thanked to confine your blithering obsession to newsgroups that
>>>might possibly care. Humans are a part of the habitat, when you remove them and
>>>the changes they make you have no natural habitat. It's like removing beavers
>>>because they damage the habitat. They ARE the habitat. Same thing with humans.
>>>We've been cultivating forests and plains for thousands of years. we've built
>>>paths through the wilderness since the very beginning. The lands without our
>>>work is not "natural."
>>>
>>>Now quit acting like a tenured retard and get out in the woods and enjoy them
>>>the way you're supposed to.
>>
>>Yeah, loggers, diamond miners and big oil along with nuclear power
>>plants are as much a part of the natural habitat and do about as much
>>damage as beavers. However, "The lands without our work is not
>>natural" was most likely written by your undeniably more intelligent
>>mongoloid brother.
>
>Mike isn't complaining about oil refineries and power plants. He is complaining
>about people making single track trails through forests.
>
>Do YOU really think those are the same thing?

Mountain bikers LOVE to change the subject -- to ANYTHING but their
selfish, destructive sport.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:38:03 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:52:59 -0700, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:05:29 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07 -0700, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>
>>>You would be thanked to confine your blithering obsession to newsgroups that
>>>might possibly care. Humans are a part of the habitat,
>>
>>Humans, as a species, are native to Africa. Period. Everywhere else,
>>we are a newcomer, and hence an invasive exotic, like zebra mussels or
>>purple loosestrife. But, hey, thanks for sharing your ignorance and
>>arrogance with us all.
>
>Do you propose the usual extermination efforts to deal with this exotic species
>infestation?

I propose that humans should act like the guests that they are: with
restraint. No frivolous habitat destruction.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande