Re: Aggressive cows

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"W. D. Grey" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Presumably that would give the farmer the right to shoot the dog for
"worrying " his cattle!

Bit one sided that isn't it? Presumably you're not allowed to shoot cows
for worrying your dog.

Quite !

Can you shoot the farmer?

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Please stay on topic. We were discussing cows not donkeys.....

Ewe're quite right of course.:-)

A suitably sheepish response, if I may say so.

Can't pull the wool over your eyes eh?
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In article <[email hidden]>, Malcolm
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In article <[email hidden]>, Malcolm
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> But then we all know the "The Law is a ASS"

Please stay on topic. We were discussing cows not donkeys.....

Ewe're quite right of course.:-)

Well, at least I didn't have to ram it home.

Fell for that - like a lamb to the slaughter.
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In article <[email hidden]>, Martin Richardson
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Ewe're quite right of course.:-)

And there was no need to shout, it'll only make him hoarse.

Close Martin :-)
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In article <[email hidden]>, AndyP
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"Tim Jackson" <[email hidden]> wrote

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A cow once jumped over my parents' garden fence.

Father (on phone to police at about 2am on a Saturday night):
"There's a cow in our back garden."

Policeman: "Oh, yes, sir?"

try Policeman "Oh yes Sir - what does it look like"...

That opens up the scope for more comment:-)

Vegetables on one side and flowers on the other with a path up the
middle :-)
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Robin said:

If you are walking on a public right of way over farm land, the farmer has a
responsibility not to graze potentially aggressive stock in such pastures.
I also think the farmers has to place signage at field entry points if bulls
are in fields with P.R.O.W. crossing them

I seem to remember reading somewhere that a bull is only a threat if it's
in a field with cows, and a bull in a field on it's own is ok. Does this
make any sense?

No, I think you've probably got that exactly backwards. See:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/ais17.pdf

Basically non-dairy bulls are allowed in p.r.o.w. fields =only= if they
are kept with cows of heifers .. on their own they are bad news. Dairy
breeds are bad news, period.

The quoted document also details the incident rate - ~1 death/year,
which demonstrates that while you can get killed that way, there are
much easier options.

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W. D. Grey <[email hidden]> wrote

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In article <[email hidden]>, AndyP
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"Tim Jackson" <[email hidden]> wrote

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A cow once jumped over my parents' garden fence.

Father (on phone to police at about 2am on a Saturday night):
"There's a cow in our back garden."

Policeman: "Oh, yes, sir?"

try Policeman "Oh yes Sir - what does it look like"...

That opens up the scope for more comment:-)

Vegetables on one side and flowers on the other with a path up the
middle :-)

"What's it doing"?

"Eating the flowers".
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if they were sheep I'd keep my mouth shut until they'd trimmed the
grass.

Last summer I noticed the Leisure Centre in Fort William had employed a few
sheep to do just that on their footy pitch. All of our kitchen waste and
lawn clippings used to get chucked over the road for the sheep. Excellent
doorstep recycling scheme.

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The golden rule is, if you are threatened by cows and have a dog with you
let the dog off the lead,

Eh? And frighten the cows? I don't think so

Actually, Fran, this is to all intents and purposes now the DEFRA
recommendation.

Is it really? I'd have thought it would be against the wishes of
just about every farmer in the land. I suppose it just means
that the times they are a-changing, 'cos I always thought dogs
were meant to be kept on leads and led quickly but calmly away.
Not that it really has any relevance to me - I don't have a dog.
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"Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote

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if they were sheep I'd keep my mouth shut until they'd trimmed the
grass.

Last summer I noticed the Leisure Centre in Fort William had employed a few
sheep to do just that on their footy pitch. All of our kitchen waste and
lawn clippings used to get chucked over the road for the sheep. Excellent
doorstep recycling scheme.

I've been threatening to kidnap a sheep since we moved into this
house 5 years ago, just to keep the 'lawn' under some sort of
control. Still haven't done it though.
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AndyP wrote on Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:12:55 +0100....

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Sorry, that had nothing to do with the discussion did it.

Neither did much of the thread :-)

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Actually, Fran, this is to all intents and purposes now the DEFRA
recommendation.

Is it really? I'd have thought it would be against the wishes of
just about every farmer in the land.

There have been too many incidents where the owner of the dog has been killed
or injured, so DEFRA now say "use your discretion".

Personally, I always have my dog walking alongside me off the lead when when
walking through bovines, and release her if the cattle get over-agressive or
over-curious. She then does a large semi-circle around them and waits for me on
the other side. If the cattle are in the way of a stile, she hops over the wall
and waits for me.

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I suppose it just means
that the times they are a-changing, 'cos I always thought dogs
were meant to be kept on leads and led quickly but calmly away.

The rule with dogs and footpaths is not to keep them on leads, but to keep them
under tight control. The rule for the access land under the CROW is to keep
them on a lead no longer than 2 metres when in the vicinity of stock, which
somewhat contradicts the latest DEFRA recommendations.

John
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In article <[email hidden]>, Fran
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I've been threatening to kidnap a sheep since we moved into this
house 5 years ago, just to keep the 'lawn' under some sort of
control. Still haven't done it though.

I thought Rhondda sheep lived on Coal dust and axle grease !

The ones at the Bwlch live on nicked sandwiches and ice-cream.
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In article <[email hidden]>, John Gardner
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The rule with dogs and footpaths is not to keep them on leads, but to keep them
under tight control. The rule for the access land under the CROW is to keep
them on a lead no longer than 2 metres when in the vicinity of stock, which
somewhat contradicts the latest DEFRA recommendations.

The Beacons national park sign shows a Dog Rampant attached to a lead.
Do they think ALL dogs are bad ?
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In article <[email hidden]>, Malcolm
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Other way round. A bull with cows is (supposed to be) otherwise
occupied.

I don't believe this, and have had experience of a bull leaving a herd
to walk 300 yards to see what I was up to, then he snorted and pawed the
ground in no uncertain manner. He proceeded to sniff the ground and
follow my scent back to where I had been, then he returned to do the
pawing the ground and snorting bit again.

He didn't want me there!

When I asked the farmer if he could please keep the bull out of the
field the following day as we were surveying the route of an overhead
line, he told me it wasn't his bull, it was a contract bull and was
"alright" - but he wouldn't let his wife bring him in. !!!!
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In article <[email hidden]>, Malcolm
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Other way round. A bull with cows is (supposed to be) otherwise
occupied.

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I don't believe this, and have had experience of a bull leaving a herd
to walk 300 yards to see what I was up to, then he snorted and pawed the
ground in no uncertain manner. He proceeded to sniff the ground and
follow my scent back to where I had been, then he returned to do the
pawing the ground and snorting bit again.

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He didn't want me there!

Yes, but what breed of bull. As you weren't on a PROW the farmer could
run whatever bulls he liked with his cows. Dairy bulls are acknowledged
as dangerous even with cows which is why they are banned from paths.

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In article <[email hidden]>, Malcolm
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He didn't want me there!

More like he just didn't like your smell :-)

Strange bull - the stuff on my wellies was cow [censored] anyway.

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In article <[email hidden]>, Roger
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Yes, but what breed of bull. As you weren't on a PROW the farmer could
run whatever bulls he liked with his cows. Dairy bulls are acknowledged
as dangerous even with cows which is why they are banned from paths.

I'm not sure - it was a long time ago. Brown and white probably a
Guernsey or Hereford, not that I particularly remember him being a
Hereford though.

Forget PROWs we had consent to survey and to be fair the farmer didn't
know exactly which day we would be there - for that matter neither did
I. We just proceeded along our survey line and arrived at the farm in
due course.

The farmer wasn't at all awkward, just a bit dismissive of the fact the
bull could be dangerous.
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Roger <[email hidden]> wrote

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Dairy bulls are acknowledged
as dangerous even with cows which is why they are banned from paths.

Are those the ones painted black and white?
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In article <[email hidden]>, Fran
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I've been threatening to kidnap a sheep since we moved into this
house 5 years ago, just to keep the 'lawn' under some sort of
control. Still haven't done it though.

I thought Rhondda sheep lived on Coal dust and axle grease !

The ones at the Bwlch live on nicked sandwiches and ice-cream.

Teehee, don't they just! I'll never forget the look of sheer
horror on poor old Nicky's face not long after we'd moved in
here. He was coming up to two, and we went up for an ice cream.
All went well until he realised he was just the right height for
an ovine attack on his ice cream... ;-)
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