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  1. I don't think seeing 140 for me is in the cards which may be why trying to get lower without a SOLID
    goal does not work. Accepting a half decade is probably just not magical enough. And you have
    pointed out the one real issue - the rewards for Maintenance have to be just maintaining. Hover. Up.
    Hover. Down. Hover, Hover, waffle, wiffle.... Oh, and the thrill of still seeing myself in a new
    light - it is still terrific but so UNconcrete.

    Prairie Roots said:

    Even as a lifetimer, seeing a new decade lower on the scale must still be a thrill. Congrats! I
    love reading your stats, especially as I'm getting closer to my WW goal and beginning to entertain
    thoughts about my personal goal. Thanks so much for sticking around and sharing your experience.

    Prairie Roots On Sat said:

    Well, they weren't nearly as exciting as the unofficial results. Up a pound from what it was on
    Wednesday - wouldn't ya just know it. <sigh> Since I only weighed myself twice in the week ... on
    wednesday and on friday ... I decided to not use the average, just went with the actual reading of
    129.5 ... one tenth of a pound higher than my all-time low since joining ww (which I hit sometime
    in december). But it's still well within my maintainence game plan, so I am a happy camper.

    Joyce started ww 2/5/02 ---> 228.8/129.5/150ww goal/140ish personal goal WW GOAL!!! 2/21/03 --->
    LIFETIME 4/4/03 PERSONAL GOAL: 5/16/03

    Fred said:

    Well, I await the OFFICIAL results

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:25:14 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized spare tires too.
    ><G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had something to do with the
    > measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week and the measurement changed by more
    > than a full inch ... thus moving me into the fit range, 1% away from the athletic ... which
    > I don't buy either (the athletic part). I think nothing is gonna please me. <G>
    >
    >On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very interesting tomorrow. I have avoided
    >the scale the entire week, just not in the mood to face the music, so to speak - also hasn't
    >been forefront on my mind. Hiked down there Wednesday morning, stepped up, stepped off. Slid the
    >bar thing down to zero to make sure it was still well calibrated, thinking the boys must have
    >moved it around when moving things in the basement. Nope, was still where it should be. Stepped
    >back up, same reading ... a new all time low for me - at least all time low since I was ill in
    >the early '80's. And this after finally making that decision to stick with 130 for maintanence.
    >We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games with me.
    >
    >Joyce
    >
    >On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:52:55 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with undersized sparetires, you'd think
    >>us guys would be able to have undersized spare tires, too! (G)
    >>
    >>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me ... maybe my brain is just
    >>>tired today. This method definitely does seem to favor those women with distinctive waists ...
    >>>not those that have little to no waistline. But I do know my own flaws and I can't argue that.
    >>>I also know I'm never gonna have a tiny waistline - never have so why would I think I would
    >>>down the road? I'm also interested to see what next week's measurements will be ... after TOM
    >>>.. if any difference at all. LOL Us women sure have a lot of baggage to deal with.
    >>>
    >>>Joyce
    >>>
    >>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:12:10 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Well if you Were M, then that would be a very small WAIST measurement that you had there.
    >>>>This thing is using that tool the docs' came up with a couple of years ago using the waist
    >>>>measurement to figure cardiac risk factors? The ole apple shaped thing? I am going to go see
    >>>>what I come out with if I go minimal...
    >>>>
    >>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>> Now this I find really bizarre. I enter the exact same stats but use
    >>>>minimal for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>thing and
    >>>>> get slammed with 25.3%. Why the huge difference? I know women carry more
    >>>>natural
    >>>>> fatty tissue, but c'mon - I find it pretty dang hard to believe there is
    >>>>THAT much
    >>>>> of a difference. And what if you fall somewhere in between? Like I swear
    >>>>I was
    >>>>> supposed to be born a male, but came out a female ... super wide
    >>>>shoulders, monkey
    >>>>> arms (really need more of a mens sizing shirts as womens are too short in
    >>>>length
    >>>>> and sleeve length, and too narrow in the shoulders). And vice versa ... I
    >>>>know a
    >>>>> few men whose bone/body structure is actually more feminine than my own.
    >>>><G>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I have what I think of as a normal wrist measurement, but according to
    >>>>charts it
    >>>>> puts me right on the edge of medium/large framed (6.5 inches) - and my
    >>>>wrist bone
    >>>>> really sticks out! I also seem to be blessed with those longer hands -
    >>>>probably
    >>>>> not as long as yours, but not near as tiny as my *petite* daughter ... who
    >>>>happens
    >>>>> to be only 1 inch shorter than me. So where do those of us *tweeners*
    >>>>fall? Or
    >>>>> is this just another one of those *take your best guess* type of things?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> One of these days I am going to get out and buy those weights, just have
    >>>>some
    >>>>> other [censored] to straighten out first. I do have quite a bit of muscle,
    >>>>always have,
    >>>>> probably always will ... just not as much as I'd like. <G> I think I need
    >>>>to
    >>>>> build the muscles in the stomach area - everything else is doin' pretty
    >>>>well. <G>
    >>>>> And yikes ... if I lose more in any area - will it mean going down to even
    >>>>smaller
    >>>>> sizes? I'm in some 6's, some 8's ... depending ... pants already - and
    >>>>those 6's
    >>>>> tend to be pretty hard to find.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I have no idea as to what calorie count I should be consuming - think my
    >>>>daily
    >>>>> trends tend to flucuate way too much right now to even try and figure it
    >>>>out. I
    >>>>> may just have to take a stab at the program you like ... is always fun to
    >>>>play
    >>>>> with new things. <G>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Joyce
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:03 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> >Thanks Joyce. I know muscle weighs. And Burns calories. I have slender "bones" but long
    >>>>> >ones? My hands are larger than almost any woman I know, but I have a tiny wrist
    >>>>> >measurement. It is hard to use many of the indicators of frame size. And taller women
    >>>>> >don't fit right into the recommended averages as far as calorie consumption goes either. I
    >>>>> >am religiously logging every bite right now into diet power to see what my metabolic rate
    >>>>> >is, and at this moment it is telling me I am burning 2300 calories a day. I expect that to
    >>>>> >come down some when I stay at a stable weight for a couple of weeks. I don't even Want to
    >>>>> >eat that much. It is reacting right now to me losing from that evil one six place.
    >>>>> >
    >>>>> >I think you are at a great weight, now build some muscles and those will burn off any
    >>>>> >tummy fat that is hanging around ๐Ÿ™‚. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>> >> Wow Lesanne, sometimes those other indicators tell us much more than
    >>>>just
    >>>>> >the
    >>>>> >> number seen on the scale. Being considered *athletic* is wonderful! I
    >>>>> >checked
    >>>>> >> the website out, found out I am *acceptable* according to his little
    >>>>quiz.
    >>>>> >I'm
    >>>>> >> not sure if there would be any difference in the reading since it
    >>>>> >currently is TOM
    >>>>> >> (ugh!) and chinese dinner last night. <G> Regardless, there was
    >>>>something
    >>>>> >else
    >>>>> >> there that opened my eyes up a bit more ... acceptable weight ...
    >>>>129-158.
    >>>>> >So why
    >>>>> >> should I keep hoping for 125? Like you, I think I'm going to quit
    >>>>> >worrying about
    >>>>> >> the possibility of seeing the 120's again and work on staying in the
    >>>>low
    >>>>> >to mid
    >>>>> >> 130's. And work on that body fat that just won't go away. <G>
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long way!!!
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> Joyce
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:24:42 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >>>>wrote:
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> >My average for the week was 160. At least I am fairly sure next week
    >>>>> >will
    >>>>> >> >be a loss. My leader at my meeting (where I was at 159.5) said that
    >>>>it
    >>>>> >is
    >>>>> >> >probably not realistic for me to try to get to 155 anyway. I put my measurements into a
    >>>>> >> >site that Bob Greene has up, and came out with "athletic" category at 19. something
    >>>>> >> >percent body fat. I am going to
    >>>>> >quit
    >>>>> >> >trying to lose more and just concentrate on staying in the high one
    >>>>> >fifties,
    >>>>> >> >y Ya as they say here
    >>>>> >> >
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >
    >>>>>
    >>

  2. HA! I was thinking the same thoughts on Friday when I hit the scales. Not trying to lose, but still
    happy to see the numbers down ... then eat more and make up for it after weighin ... only to cut
    back down the following days/week to make sure everything is back where it is supposed to be. Is it
    us playing games with our minds, or our minds playing games with us, or is there any difference
    between the two? <G> I THINK I have finally realized that I am where I should be. It APPEARS to be
    not overly difficult to maintain. Yes, I have to pay attention - but it is doable. I think I'm
    thwarting this week. <G>

    I've never been into camping, sad to say. My idea of camping is a hotel room somewhere, with a nice
    bed and warm, running water. On the rare occassion that I get a vacation, I'm taking one ... not
    working harder than I already do at home!
    <G> Hub never got into it either, tells the kids he had his fill of camping in Viet Nam.

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    You do realize that we are all playing at this like we are trying to still lose but also NOT lose
    while maybe losing is okay but not a good idea which we then thwart again the next week, etc, etc
    and who knows what (G)

    Ah, camping - almost getting to be time for that again - in JULY~! (G) Actually, a Hells Canyon
    trip may be in the offing in a month or so. Then again, may save the vacation for other things.

    Joyce said:

    Well, they weren't nearly as exciting as the unofficial results. Up a pound from what it was on
    Wednesday - wouldn't ya just know it. <sigh> Since I only weighed myself twice in the week ... on
    wednesday and on friday ... I decided to not use the average, just went with the actual reading of
    129.5 ... one tenth of a pound higher than my all-time low since joining ww (which I hit sometime
    in december). But it's still well within my maintainence game plan, so I am a happy camper.

    Joyce started ww 2/5/02 ---> 228.8/129.5/150ww goal/140ish personal goal WW GOAL!!! 2/21/03 --->
    LIFETIME 4/4/03 PERSONAL GOAL: 5/16/03

    Fred said:

    Well, I await the OFFICIAL results

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:25:14 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized spare tires too.
    ><G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had something to do with the
    > measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week and the measurement changed by more
    > than a full inch ... thus moving me into the fit range, 1% away from the athletic ... which
    > I don't buy either (the athletic part). I think nothing is gonna please me. <G>
    >
    >On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very interesting tomorrow. I have avoided
    >the scale the entire week, just not in the mood to face the music, so to speak - also hasn't
    >been forefront on my mind. Hiked down there Wednesday morning, stepped up, stepped off. Slid the
    >bar thing down to zero to make sure it was still well calibrated, thinking the boys must have
    >moved it around when moving things in the basement. Nope, was still where it should be. Stepped
    >back up, same reading ... a new all time low for me - at least all time low since I was ill in
    >the early '80's. And this after finally making that decision to stick with 130 for maintanence.
    >We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games with me.
    >
    >Joyce
    >
    >On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:52:55 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with undersized sparetires, you'd think
    >>us guys would be able to have undersized spare tires, too! (G)
    >>
    >>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me ... maybe my brain is just
    >>>tired today. This method definitely does seem to favor those women with distinctive waists ...
    >>>not those that have little to no waistline. But I do know my own flaws and I can't argue that.
    >>>I also know I'm never gonna have a tiny waistline - never have so why would I think I would
    >>>down the road? I'm also interested to see what next week's measurements will be ... after TOM
    >>>.. if any difference at all. LOL Us women sure have a lot of baggage to deal with.
    >>>
    >>>Joyce
    >>>
    >>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:12:10 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Well if you Were M, then that would be a very small WAIST measurement that you had there.
    >>>>This thing is using that tool the docs' came up with a couple of years ago using the waist
    >>>>measurement to figure cardiac risk factors? The ole apple shaped thing? I am going to go see
    >>>>what I come out with if I go minimal...
    >>>>
    >>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>> Now this I find really bizarre. I enter the exact same stats but use
    >>>>minimal for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>thing and
    >>>>> get slammed with 25.3%. Why the huge difference? I know women carry more
    >>>>natural
    >>>>> fatty tissue, but c'mon - I find it pretty dang hard to believe there is
    >>>>THAT much
    >>>>> of a difference. And what if you fall somewhere in between? Like I swear
    >>>>I was
    >>>>> supposed to be born a male, but came out a female ... super wide
    >>>>shoulders, monkey
    >>>>> arms (really need more of a mens sizing shirts as womens are too short in
    >>>>length
    >>>>> and sleeve length, and too narrow in the shoulders). And vice versa ... I
    >>>>know a
    >>>>> few men whose bone/body structure is actually more feminine than my own.
    >>>><G>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I have what I think of as a normal wrist measurement, but according to
    >>>>charts it
    >>>>> puts me right on the edge of medium/large framed (6.5 inches) - and my
    >>>>wrist bone
    >>>>> really sticks out! I also seem to be blessed with those longer hands -
    >>>>probably
    >>>>> not as long as yours, but not near as tiny as my *petite* daughter ... who
    >>>>happens
    >>>>> to be only 1 inch shorter than me. So where do those of us *tweeners*
    >>>>fall? Or
    >>>>> is this just another one of those *take your best guess* type of things?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> One of these days I am going to get out and buy those weights, just have
    >>>>some
    >>>>> other [censored] to straighten out first. I do have quite a bit of muscle,
    >>>>always have,
    >>>>> probably always will ... just not as much as I'd like. <G> I think I need
    >>>>to
    >>>>> build the muscles in the stomach area - everything else is doin' pretty
    >>>>well. <G>
    >>>>> And yikes ... if I lose more in any area - will it mean going down to even
    >>>>smaller
    >>>>> sizes? I'm in some 6's, some 8's ... depending ... pants already - and
    >>>>those 6's
    >>>>> tend to be pretty hard to find.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I have no idea as to what calorie count I should be consuming - think my
    >>>>daily
    >>>>> trends tend to flucuate way too much right now to even try and figure it
    >>>>out. I
    >>>>> may just have to take a stab at the program you like ... is always fun to
    >>>>play
    >>>>> with new things. <G>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Joyce
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:03 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> >Thanks Joyce. I know muscle weighs. And Burns calories. I have slender "bones" but long
    >>>>> >ones? My hands are larger than almost any woman I know, but I have a tiny wrist
    >>>>> >measurement. It is hard to use many of the indicators of frame size. And taller women
    >>>>> >don't fit right into the recommended averages as far as calorie consumption goes either. I
    >>>>> >am religiously logging every bite right now into diet power to see what my metabolic rate
    >>>>> >is, and at this moment it is telling me I am burning 2300 calories a day. I expect that to
    >>>>> >come down some when I stay at a stable weight for a couple of weeks. I don't even Want to
    >>>>> >eat that much. It is reacting right now to me losing from that evil one six place.
    >>>>> >
    >>>>> >I think you are at a great weight, now build some muscles and those will burn off any
    >>>>> >tummy fat that is hanging around ๐Ÿ™‚. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>> >> Wow Lesanne, sometimes those other indicators tell us much more than
    >>>>just
    >>>>> >the
    >>>>> >> number seen on the scale. Being considered *athletic* is wonderful! I
    >>>>> >checked
    >>>>> >> the website out, found out I am *acceptable* according to his little
    >>>>quiz.
    >>>>> >I'm
    >>>>> >> not sure if there would be any difference in the reading since it
    >>>>> >currently is TOM
    >>>>> >> (ugh!) and chinese dinner last night. <G> Regardless, there was
    >>>>something
    >>>>> >else
    >>>>> >> there that opened my eyes up a bit more ... acceptable weight ...
    >>>>129-158.
    >>>>> >So why
    >>>>> >> should I keep hoping for 125? Like you, I think I'm going to quit
    >>>>> >worrying about
    >>>>> >> the possibility of seeing the 120's again and work on staying in the
    >>>>low
    >>>>> >to mid
    >>>>> >> 130's. And work on that body fat that just won't go away. <G>
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long way!!!
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> Joyce
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:24:42 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >>>>wrote:
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> >My average for the week was 160. At least I am fairly sure next week
    >>>>> >will
    >>>>> >> >be a loss. My leader at my meeting (where I was at 159.5) said that
    >>>>it
    >>>>> >is
    >>>>> >> >probably not realistic for me to try to get to 155 anyway. I put my measurements into a
    >>>>> >> >site that Bob Greene has up, and came out with "athletic" category at 19. something
    >>>>> >> >percent body fat. I am going to
    >>>>> >quit
    >>>>> >> >trying to lose more and just concentrate on staying in the high one
    >>>>> >fifties,
    >>>>> >> >y Ya as they say here
    >>>>> >> >
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >
    >>>>>
    >>

  3. I know we've talked the numbers thing before, and I know that there really isn't a firm number out
    there for maintaining. It changes constantly due to many factors. Yet I still want that firm number!
    I would feel better with it! Guess that's what I meant by *playing*. I seem to change that target
    number week by week, results don't appear to change at all. Guess that is a good thing?

    A year ago, on the button, I was 151.5 - just above my goal (which I reached the following week).
    Geeeesh, next week will be my 1 year at ww goal anniversary! I've lost 20 pounds since then, but
    yes - overall I have been very steady. I just realized I need to do some major update work on my
    weightloss chart - hasn't been updated since the end of may last year! But I do know that it fell
    by the wayside because I was staying on the right path ... seesawing here and there, but overall
    ... steady.

    You're right, as always. I am maintaining ... very happily.

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    No you are not. You ARE MAINTAINING. Where were you a year ago? Where now? And where in between?
    You lost a bit below but have been pretty steady, no?

    Joyce said:

    That's pretty much exactly what I said when I stepped on the scale ... go figure! I ate more this
    last week, exercised less, stayed away from the scale. I also did away with the flexpoints way of
    journalling, and went back 100% to the old ww plan ... upped my daily point range and
    banked/reversed banked away. It makes no sense to me at all. It could very well be just a shift in
    water weight. It does confuse me though as to how the heck I find a firm number where I can
    maintain. <sigh> Close to a year into the maintainence game and I'm still playing with numbers.

    Joyce

    Connie walshclan@nospam_primus.ca said:

    I love it ... an all-time low and she wasn't even trying... ain't that the way life goes.

    Connie

    Joyce wrote:
    > Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized spare tires too.
    > <G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had something to do with the
    > measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week and the measurement changed by more
    > than a full inch ... thus moving me into the fit range, 1% away from the athletic ...
    > which I don't buy either (the athletic part). I think nothing is gonna please me. <G>
    >
    > On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very interesting tomorrow. I have avoided
    > the scale the entire week, just not in the mood to face the music, so to speak - also hasn't
    > been forefront on my mind. Hiked down there Wednesday morning, stepped up, stepped off. Slid
    > the bar thing down to zero to make sure it was still well calibrated, thinking the boys must
    > have moved it around when moving things in the basement. Nope, was still where it should be.
    > Stepped back up, same reading ... a new all time low for me - at least all time low since I was
    > ill in the early '80's. And this after finally making that decision to stick with 130 for
    > maintanence. We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games with me.
    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:52:55 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with undersized sparetires, you'd think
    >>us guys would be able to have undersized spare tires, too! (G)
    >>
    >>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me ... maybe my brain is just
    >>>tired today. This method definitely does seem to favor those women with distinctive waists ...
    >>>not those that have little to no waistline. But I do know my own flaws and I can't argue that.
    >>>I also know I'm never gonna have a tiny waistline - never have so why would I think I would
    >>>down the road? I'm also interested to see what next week's measurements will be ... after TOM
    >>>.. if any difference at all. LOL Us women sure have a lot of baggage to deal with.
    >>>
    >>>Joyce
    >>>
    >>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:12:10 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Well if you Were M, then that would be a very small WAIST measurement that you had there.
    >>>>This thing is using that tool the docs' came up with a couple of years ago using the waist
    >>>>measurement to figure cardiac risk factors? The ole apple shaped thing? I am going to go see
    >>>>what I come out with if I go minimal...
    >>>>
    >>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>
    >>>>>Now this I find really bizarre. I enter the exact same stats but use
    >>>>
    >>>>minimal for
    >>>>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>
    >>>>thing and
    >>>>
    >>>>>get slammed with 25.3%. Why the huge difference? I know women carry more
    >>>>
    >>>>natural
    >>>>
    >>>>>fatty tissue, but c'mon - I find it pretty dang hard to believe there is
    >>>>
    >>>>THAT much
    >>>>
    >>>>>of a difference. And what if you fall somewhere in between? Like I swear
    >>>>
    >>>>I was
    >>>>
    >>>>>supposed to be born a male, but came out a female ... super wide
    >>>>
    >>>>shoulders, monkey
    >>>>
    >>>>>arms (really need more of a mens sizing shirts as womens are too short in
    >>>>
    >>>>length
    >>>>
    >>>>>and sleeve length, and too narrow in the shoulders). And vice versa ... I
    >>>>
    >>>>know a
    >>>>
    >>>>>few men whose bone/body structure is actually more feminine than my own.
    >>>>
    >>>><G>
    >>>>
    >>>>>I have what I think of as a normal wrist measurement, but according to
    >>>>
    >>>>charts it
    >>>>
    >>>>>puts me right on the edge of medium/large framed (6.5 inches) - and my
    >>>>
    >>>>wrist bone
    >>>>
    >>>>>really sticks out! I also seem to be blessed with those longer hands -
    >>>>
    >>>>probably
    >>>>
    >>>>>not as long as yours, but not near as tiny as my *petite* daughter ... who
    >>>>
    >>>>happens
    >>>>
    >>>>>to be only 1 inch shorter than me. So where do those of us *tweeners*
    >>>>
    >>>>fall? Or
    >>>>
    >>>>>is this just another one of those *take your best guess* type of things?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>One of these days I am going to get out and buy those weights, just have
    >>>>
    >>>>some
    >>>>
    >>>>>other [censored] to straighten out first. I do have quite a bit of muscle,
    >>>>
    >>>>always have,
    >>>>
    >>>>>probably always will ... just not as much as I'd like. <G> I think I need
    >>>>
    >>>>to
    >>>>
    >>>>>build the muscles in the stomach area - everything else is doin' pretty
    >>>>
    >>>>well. <G>
    >>>>
    >>>>>And yikes ... if I lose more in any area - will it mean going down to even
    >>>>
    >>>>smaller
    >>>>
    >>>>>sizes? I'm in some 6's, some 8's ... depending ... pants already - and
    >>>>
    >>>>those 6's
    >>>>
    >>>>>tend to be pretty hard to find.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>I have no idea as to what calorie count I should be consuming - think my
    >>>>
    >>>>daily
    >>>>
    >>>>>trends tend to flucuate way too much right now to even try and figure it
    >>>>
    >>>>out. I
    >>>>
    >>>>>may just have to take a stab at the program you like ... is always fun to
    >>>>
    >>>>play
    >>>>
    >>>>>with new things. <G>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Joyce
    >>>>>
    >>>>>On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:03 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Thanks Joyce. I know muscle weighs. And Burns calories. I have slender "bones" but long
    >>>>>>ones? My hands are larger than almost any woman I know, but I have a tiny wrist
    >>>>>>measurement. It is hard to use many of the indicators of frame size. And taller women don't
    >>>>>>fit right into the recommended averages as far as calorie consumption goes either. I am
    >>>>>>religiously logging every bite right now into diet power to see what my metabolic rate is,
    >>>>>>and at this moment it is telling me I am burning 2300 calories a day. I expect that to come
    >>>>>>down some when I stay at a stable weight for a couple of weeks. I don't even Want to eat
    >>>>>>that much. It is reacting right now to me losing from that evil one six place.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>I think you are at a great weight, now build some muscles and those will burn off any tummy
    >>>>>>fat that is hanging around ๐Ÿ™‚. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Wow Lesanne, sometimes those other indicators tell us much more than
    >>>>>>
    >>>>just
    >>>>
    >>>>>>the
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>number seen on the scale. Being considered *athletic* is wonderful! I
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>checked
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>the website out, found out I am *acceptable* according to his little
    >>>>>>
    >>>>quiz.
    >>>>
    >>>>>>I'm
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>not sure if there would be any difference in the reading since it
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>currently is TOM
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>(ugh!) and chinese dinner last night. <G> Regardless, there was
    >>>>>>
    >>>>something
    >>>>
    >>>>>>else
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>there that opened my eyes up a bit more ... acceptable weight ...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>129-158.
    >>>>
    >>>>>>So why
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>should I keep hoping for 125? Like you, I think I'm going to quit
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>worrying about
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>the possibility of seeing the 120's again and work on staying in the
    >>>>>>
    >>>>low
    >>>>
    >>>>>>to mid
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>130's. And work on that body fat that just won't go away. <G>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long way!!!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Joyce
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:24:42 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>>>>My average for the week was 160. At least I am fairly sure next week
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>will
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>be a loss. My leader at my meeting (where I was at 159.5) said that
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>it
    >>>>
    >>>>>>is
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>probably not realistic for me to try to get to 155 anyway. I put my measurements into a
    >>>>>>>>site that Bob Greene has up, and came out with "athletic" category at 19. something
    >>>>>>>>percent body fat. I am going to
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>quit
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>trying to lose more and just concentrate on staying in the high one
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>fifties,
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>y Ya as they say here
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>


  4. It is a thrill, even if it is a short lived one. <G> I know it won't stay long, I'm not actively
    trying to keep it at that point. But yes ... it sure is nice to see it pop up once in a great while.
    I'm a bit selfish on sticking around too. It helps ME stay where I want to be. I am so afraid that
    if I ventured off it would be much too easy to let things go totally out of control again. Guess
    it's much like those that continue going to meetings when reaching goal and lifetime ... maybe that
    accountability issue? I know I'm less active in the newsgroup now, have a hard time keeping up with
    everything. But I'm always here reading. I think it keeps my head in a good place.

    Joyce

    Prairie Roots said:

    Even as a lifetimer, seeing a new decade lower on the scale must still be a thrill. Congrats! I
    love reading your stats, especially as I'm getting closer to my WW goal and beginning to entertain
    thoughts about my personal goal. Thanks so much for sticking around and sharing your experience.

    Prairie Roots On Sat said:

    Well, they weren't nearly as exciting as the unofficial results. Up a pound from what it was on
    Wednesday - wouldn't ya just know it. <sigh> Since I only weighed myself twice in the week ... on
    wednesday and on friday ... I decided to not use the average, just went with the actual reading of
    129.5 ... one tenth of a pound higher than my all-time low since joining ww (which I hit sometime
    in december). But it's still well within my maintainence game plan, so I am a happy camper.

    Joyce started ww 2/5/02 ---> 228.8/129.5/150ww goal/140ish personal goal WW GOAL!!! 2/21/03 --->
    LIFETIME 4/4/03 PERSONAL GOAL: 5/16/03

    Fred said:

    Well, I await the OFFICIAL results

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:25:14 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized spare tires too.
    ><G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had something to do with the
    > measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week and the measurement changed by more
    > than a full inch ... thus moving me into the fit range, 1% away from the athletic ... which
    > I don't buy either (the athletic part). I think nothing is gonna please me. <G>
    >
    >On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very interesting tomorrow. I have avoided
    >the scale the entire week, just not in the mood to face the music, so to speak - also hasn't
    >been forefront on my mind. Hiked down there Wednesday morning, stepped up, stepped off. Slid the
    >bar thing down to zero to make sure it was still well calibrated, thinking the boys must have
    >moved it around when moving things in the basement. Nope, was still where it should be. Stepped
    >back up, same reading ... a new all time low for me - at least all time low since I was ill in
    >the early '80's. And this after finally making that decision to stick with 130 for maintanence.
    >We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games with me.
    >
    >Joyce
    >
    >On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:52:55 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with undersized sparetires, you'd think
    >>us guys would be able to have undersized spare tires, too! (G)
    >>
    >>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me ... maybe my brain is just
    >>>tired today. This method definitely does seem to favor those women with distinctive waists ...
    >>>not those that have little to no waistline. But I do know my own flaws and I can't argue that.
    >>>I also know I'm never gonna have a tiny waistline - never have so why would I think I would
    >>>down the road? I'm also interested to see what next week's measurements will be ... after TOM
    >>>.. if any difference at all. LOL Us women sure have a lot of baggage to deal with.
    >>>
    >>>Joyce
    >>>
    >>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:12:10 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Well if you Were M, then that would be a very small WAIST measurement that you had there.
    >>>>This thing is using that tool the docs' came up with a couple of years ago using the waist
    >>>>measurement to figure cardiac risk factors? The ole apple shaped thing? I am going to go see
    >>>>what I come out with if I go minimal...
    >>>>
    >>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>> Now this I find really bizarre. I enter the exact same stats but use
    >>>>minimal for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>thing and
    >>>>> get slammed with 25.3%. Why the huge difference? I know women carry more
    >>>>natural
    >>>>> fatty tissue, but c'mon - I find it pretty dang hard to believe there is
    >>>>THAT much
    >>>>> of a difference. And what if you fall somewhere in between? Like I swear
    >>>>I was
    >>>>> supposed to be born a male, but came out a female ... super wide
    >>>>shoulders, monkey
    >>>>> arms (really need more of a mens sizing shirts as womens are too short in
    >>>>length
    >>>>> and sleeve length, and too narrow in the shoulders). And vice versa ... I
    >>>>know a
    >>>>> few men whose bone/body structure is actually more feminine than my own.
    >>>><G>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I have what I think of as a normal wrist measurement, but according to
    >>>>charts it
    >>>>> puts me right on the edge of medium/large framed (6.5 inches) - and my
    >>>>wrist bone
    >>>>> really sticks out! I also seem to be blessed with those longer hands -
    >>>>probably
    >>>>> not as long as yours, but not near as tiny as my *petite* daughter ... who
    >>>>happens
    >>>>> to be only 1 inch shorter than me. So where do those of us *tweeners*
    >>>>fall? Or
    >>>>> is this just another one of those *take your best guess* type of things?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> One of these days I am going to get out and buy those weights, just have
    >>>>some
    >>>>> other [censored] to straighten out first. I do have quite a bit of muscle,
    >>>>always have,
    >>>>> probably always will ... just not as much as I'd like. <G> I think I need
    >>>>to
    >>>>> build the muscles in the stomach area - everything else is doin' pretty
    >>>>well. <G>
    >>>>> And yikes ... if I lose more in any area - will it mean going down to even
    >>>>smaller
    >>>>> sizes? I'm in some 6's, some 8's ... depending ... pants already - and
    >>>>those 6's
    >>>>> tend to be pretty hard to find.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I have no idea as to what calorie count I should be consuming - think my
    >>>>daily
    >>>>> trends tend to flucuate way too much right now to even try and figure it
    >>>>out. I
    >>>>> may just have to take a stab at the program you like ... is always fun to
    >>>>play
    >>>>> with new things. <G>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Joyce
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:03 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> >Thanks Joyce. I know muscle weighs. And Burns calories. I have slender "bones" but long
    >>>>> >ones? My hands are larger than almost any woman I know, but I have a tiny wrist
    >>>>> >measurement. It is hard to use many of the indicators of frame size. And taller women
    >>>>> >don't fit right into the recommended averages as far as calorie consumption goes either. I
    >>>>> >am religiously logging every bite right now into diet power to see what my metabolic rate
    >>>>> >is, and at this moment it is telling me I am burning 2300 calories a day. I expect that to
    >>>>> >come down some when I stay at a stable weight for a couple of weeks. I don't even Want to
    >>>>> >eat that much. It is reacting right now to me losing from that evil one six place.
    >>>>> >
    >>>>> >I think you are at a great weight, now build some muscles and those will burn off any
    >>>>> >tummy fat that is hanging around ๐Ÿ™‚. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>> >> Wow Lesanne, sometimes those other indicators tell us much more than
    >>>>just
    >>>>> >the
    >>>>> >> number seen on the scale. Being considered *athletic* is wonderful! I
    >>>>> >checked
    >>>>> >> the website out, found out I am *acceptable* according to his little
    >>>>quiz.
    >>>>> >I'm
    >>>>> >> not sure if there would be any difference in the reading since it
    >>>>> >currently is TOM
    >>>>> >> (ugh!) and chinese dinner last night. <G> Regardless, there was
    >>>>something
    >>>>> >else
    >>>>> >> there that opened my eyes up a bit more ... acceptable weight ...
    >>>>129-158.
    >>>>> >So why
    >>>>> >> should I keep hoping for 125? Like you, I think I'm going to quit
    >>>>> >worrying about
    >>>>> >> the possibility of seeing the 120's again and work on staying in the
    >>>>low
    >>>>> >to mid
    >>>>> >> 130's. And work on that body fat that just won't go away. <G>
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long way!!!
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> Joyce
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:24:42 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >>>>wrote:
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> >My average for the week was 160. At least I am fairly sure next week
    >>>>> >will
    >>>>> >> >be a loss. My leader at my meeting (where I was at 159.5) said that
    >>>>it
    >>>>> >is
    >>>>> >> >probably not realistic for me to try to get to 155 anyway. I put my measurements into a
    >>>>> >> >site that Bob Greene has up, and came out with "athletic" category at 19. something
    >>>>> >> >percent body fat. I am going to
    >>>>> >quit
    >>>>> >> >trying to lose more and just concentrate on staying in the high one
    >>>>> >fifties,
    >>>>> >> >y Ya as they say here
    >>>>> >> >
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >
    >>>>>
    >>

  5. Ahhhhhhh, the journal was a tough one. I used the online journal and set my target point at the
    highest number in my point range ... then totally ignored the flexpoint number. In the notes section
    I set up a list for activity points, for banked or overage food points, and one more for a daily log
    of where I was for the week ... over or under points. It worked fantastically! I had to manually
    figure out the numbers, but it wasn't difficult at all. And it really does work much better for ME
    than the flexpoint thing.

    Joyce

    Miss Violette said:

    What did you settle on for a journal then? Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That's pretty much exactly what I said when I stepped on the scale ... go


    figure!

    Quoted message said:

    I ate more this last week, exercised less, stayed away from the scale. I


    also did

    Quoted message said:

    away with the flexpoints way of journalling, and went back 100% to the old


    ww plan

    Quoted message said:

    ... upped my daily point range and banked/reversed banked away. It


    makes no

    Quoted message said:

    sense to me at all. It could very well be just a shift in water weight.


    It does

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    confuse me though as to how the heck I find a firm number where I can


    maintain.

    Quoted message said:

    <sigh> Close to a year into the maintainence game and I'm still playing


    with

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    numbers.

    Joyce

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:30:28 -0500, Connie <walshclan@nospam_primus.ca>


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I love it ... an all-time low and she wasn't even trying... ain't that the way life goes.

    Connie

    Joyce wrote:
    > Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized spare


    tires too.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > <G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had


    something to do

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > with the measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week and the measurement changed by
    > more than a full inch ... thus moving me into


    the fit

    Quoted message said:
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    > range, 1% away from the athletic ... which I don't buy either (the


    athletic part).

    Quoted message said:
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    > I think nothing is gonna please me. <G>
    >
    > On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very interesting


    tomorrow. I

    Quoted message said:
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    > have avoided the scale the entire week, just not in the mood to face


    the music, so

    Quoted message said:
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    > to speak - also hasn't been forefront on my mind. Hiked down there


    Wednesday

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > morning, stepped up, stepped off. Slid the bar thing down to zero to


    make sure it

    Quoted message said:
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    > was still well calibrated, thinking the boys must have moved it around


    when moving

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > things in the basement. Nope, was still where it should be. Stepped


    back up,

    Quoted message said:
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    > same reading ... a new all time low for me - at least all time low


    since I was ill

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > in the early '80's. And this after finally making that decision to


    stick with 130

    Quoted message said:
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    > for maintanence. We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games with


    me.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:52:55 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    >
    >>Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with undersized sparetires, you'd think
    >>us guys would be able to have undersized spare tires, too! (G)
    >>
    >>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me ...


    maybe my brain

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>is just tired today. This method definitely does seem to favor those


    women with

    Quoted message said:
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    >>>distinctive waists ... not those that have little to no waistline.


    But I do know

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>my own flaws and I can't argue that. I also know I'm never gonna have


    a tiny

    Quoted message said:
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    >>>waistline - never have so why would I think I would down the road?


    I'm also

    Quoted message said:
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    >>>interested to see what next week's measurements will be ... after TOM


    .. if any

    Quoted message said:
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    >>>difference at all. LOL Us women sure have a lot of baggage to deal


    with.

    Quoted message said:
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    >>>
    >>>Joyce
    >>>
    >>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:12:10 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Well if you Were M, then that would be a very small WAIST measurement


    that

    Quoted message said:
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    >>>>you had there. This thing is using that tool the docs' came up with


    a

    Quoted message said:
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    >>>>couple of years ago using the waist measurement to figure cardiac


    risk

    Quoted message said:
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    >>>>factors? The ole apple shaped thing? I am going to go see what I


    come out

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    Quoted message said:

    >>>>with if I go minimal...
    >>>>
    >>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>
    >>>>>Now this I find really bizarre. I enter the exact same stats but


    use

    Quoted message said:
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    >>>>
    >>>>minimal for
    >>>>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    >>>>
    >>>>thing and
    >>>>
    >>>>>get slammed with 25.3%. Why the huge difference? I know women


    carry more

    Quoted message said:
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    >>>>
    >>>>natural
    >>>>
    >>>>>fatty tissue, but c'mon - I find it pretty dang hard to believe


    there is

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    >>>>
    >>>>THAT much
    >>>>
    >>>>>of a difference. And what if you fall somewhere in between? Like I


    swear

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    >>>>
    >>>>I was
    >>>>
    >>>>>supposed to be born a male, but came out a female ... super wide
    >>>>
    >>>>shoulders, monkey
    >>>>
    >>>>>arms (really need more of a mens sizing shirts as womens are too


    short in

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    >>>>
    >>>>length
    >>>>
    >>>>>and sleeve length, and too narrow in the shoulders). And vice versa


    ... I

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    >>>>
    >>>>know a
    >>>>
    >>>>>few men whose bone/body structure is actually more feminine than my


    own.

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    >>>>
    >>>><G>
    >>>>
    >>>>>I have what I think of as a normal wrist measurement, but according


    to

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    >>>>
    >>>>charts it
    >>>>
    >>>>>puts me right on the edge of medium/large framed (6.5 inches) - and


    my

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    >>>>
    >>>>wrist bone
    >>>>
    >>>>>really sticks out! I also seem to be blessed with those longer


    hands -

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    >>>>
    >>>>probably
    >>>>
    >>>>>not as long as yours, but not near as tiny as my *petite* daughter


    ... who

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    >>>>
    >>>>happens
    >>>>
    >>>>>to be only 1 inch shorter than me. So where do those of us


    *tweeners*

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    >>>>
    >>>>fall? Or
    >>>>
    >>>>>is this just another one of those *take your best guess* type of


    things?

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    >>>>>
    >>>>>One of these days I am going to get out and buy those weights, just


    have

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    >>>>
    >>>>some
    >>>>
    >>>>>other [censored] to straighten out first. I do have quite a bit of


    muscle,

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    >>>>
    >>>>always have,
    >>>>
    >>>>>probably always will ... just not as much as I'd like. <G> I think


    I need

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    >>>>
    >>>>to
    >>>>
    >>>>>build the muscles in the stomach area - everything else is doin'


    pretty

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    >>>>
    >>>>well. <G>
    >>>>
    >>>>>And yikes ... if I lose more in any area - will it mean going down


    to even

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    >>>>
    >>>>smaller
    >>>>
    >>>>>sizes? I'm in some 6's, some 8's ... depending ... pants already -


    and

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    >>>>
    >>>>those 6's
    >>>>
    >>>>>tend to be pretty hard to find.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>I have no idea as to what calorie count I should be consuming -


    think my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>
    >>>>daily
    >>>>
    >>>>>trends tend to flucuate way too much right now to even try and


    figure it

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    >>>>
    >>>>out. I
    >>>>
    >>>>>may just have to take a stab at the program you like ... is always


    fun to

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    >>>>
    >>>>play
    >>>>
    >>>>>with new things. <G>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Joyce
    >>>>>
    >>>>>On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:03 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:
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    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Thanks Joyce. I know muscle weighs. And Burns calories. I have


    slender

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    >>>>>>"bones" but long ones? My hands are larger than almost any woman I


    know,

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    >>>>>>but I have a tiny wrist measurement. It is hard to use many of the indicators of frame
    >>>>>>size. And taller women don't fit right into


    the

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    >>>>>>recommended averages as far as calorie consumption goes either. I


    am

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    >>>>>>religiously logging every bite right now into diet power to see


    what my

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    >>>>>>metabolic rate is, and at this moment it is telling me I am burning


    2300

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    >>>>>>calories a day. I expect that to come down some when I stay at a


    stable

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    >>>>>>weight for a couple of weeks. I don't even Want to eat that much.


    It is

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    >>>>>>reacting right now to me losing from that evil one six place.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>I think you are at a great weight, now build some muscles and those


    will

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>>>burn off any tummy fat that is hanging around ๐Ÿ™‚. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Wow Lesanne, sometimes those other indicators tell us much more


    than

    Quoted message said:
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    >>>>>>
    >>>>just
    >>>>
    >>>>>>the
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>number seen on the scale. Being considered *athletic* is


    wonderful! I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>checked
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>the website out, found out I am *acceptable* according to his


    little

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    >>>>>>
    >>>>quiz.
    >>>>
    >>>>>>I'm
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>not sure if there would be any difference in the reading since it
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>currently is TOM
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>(ugh!) and chinese dinner last night. <G> Regardless, there was
    >>>>>>
    >>>>something
    >>>>
    >>>>>>else
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>there that opened my eyes up a bit more ... acceptable weight ...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>129-158.
    >>>>
    >>>>>>So why
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>should I keep hoping for 125? Like you, I think I'm going to quit
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>worrying about
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>the possibility of seeing the 120's again and work on staying in


    the

    Quoted message said:
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    >>>>>>
    >>>>low
    >>>>
    >>>>>>to mid
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>130's. And work on that body fat that just won't go away. <G>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long way!!!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Joyce
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:24:42 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>>>>My average for the week was 160. At least I am fairly sure next


    week

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>will
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>be a loss. My leader at my meeting (where I was at 159.5) said


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>>>>
    >>>>it
    >>>>
    >>>>>>is
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>probably not realistic for me to try to get to 155 anyway. I put


    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>>>>>measurements into a site that Bob Greene has up, and came out


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>>>>>"athletic" category at 19. something percent body fat. I am


    going to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>quit
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>trying to lose more and just concentrate on staying in the high


    one

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>fifties,
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>y Ya as they say here
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >


  6. LOL! Thanks Connie. And next month when TOM rolls around again, I know I will once again be
    *normal*. <G>

    Joyce

    Connie walshclan@nospam_primus.ca said:

    Excellent results, Joyce, you fit almost athletic person you!!

    Connie

    Joyce said:

    Well, they weren't nearly as exciting as the unofficial results. Up a pound from what it was on
    Wednesday - wouldn't ya just know it. <sigh> Since I only weighed myself twice in the week ... on
    wednesday and on friday ... I decided to not use the average, just went with the actual reading
    of 129.5 ... one tenth of a pound higher than my all-time low since joining ww (which I hit
    sometime in december). But it's still well within my maintainence game plan, so I am a happy
    camper.

    Joyce started ww 2/5/02 ---> 228.8/129.5/150ww goal/140ish personal goal WW GOAL!!! 2/21/03 --->
    LIFETIME 4/4/03 PERSONAL GOAL: 5/16/03

    Fred said:

    Well, I await the OFFICIAL results

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:25:14 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized spare tires too.
    ><G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had something to do with the
    > measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week and the measurement changed by more
    > than a full inch ... thus moving me into the fit range, 1% away from the athletic ... which
    > I don't buy either (the athletic part). I think nothing is gonna please me. <G>
    >
    >On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very interesting tomorrow. I have avoided
    >the scale the entire week, just not in the mood to face the music, so to speak - also hasn't
    >been forefront on my mind. Hiked down there Wednesday morning, stepped up, stepped off. Slid the
    >bar thing down to zero to make sure it was still well calibrated, thinking the boys must have
    >moved it around when moving things in the basement. Nope, was still where it should be. Stepped
    >back up, same reading ... a new all time low for me - at least all time low since I was ill in
    >the early '80's. And this after finally making that decision to stick with 130 for maintanence.
    >We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games with me.
    >
    >Joyce
    >
    >On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:52:55 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with undersized sparetires, you'd think
    >>us guys would be able to have undersized spare tires, too! (G)
    >>
    >>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me ... maybe my brain is just
    >>>tired today. This method definitely does seem to favor those women with distinctive waists ...
    >>>not those that have little to no waistline. But I do know my own flaws and I can't argue that.
    >>>I also know I'm never gonna have a tiny waistline - never have so why would I think I would
    >>>down the road? I'm also interested to see what next week's measurements will be ... after TOM
    >>>.. if any difference at all. LOL Us women sure have a lot of baggage to deal with.
    >>>
    >>>Joyce
    >>>
    >>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:12:10 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Well if you Were M, then that would be a very small WAIST measurement that you had there.
    >>>>This thing is using that tool the docs' came up with a couple of years ago using the waist
    >>>>measurement to figure cardiac risk factors? The ole apple shaped thing? I am going to go see
    >>>>what I come out with if I go minimal...
    >>>>
    >>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>
    >>>>>Now this I find really bizarre. I enter the exact same stats but use
    >>>>
    >>>>minimal for
    >>>>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>
    >>>>thing and
    >>>>
    >>>>>get slammed with 25.3%. Why the huge difference? I know women carry more
    >>>>
    >>>>natural
    >>>>
    >>>>>fatty tissue, but c'mon - I find it pretty dang hard to believe there is
    >>>>
    >>>>THAT much
    >>>>
    >>>>>of a difference. And what if you fall somewhere in between? Like I swear
    >>>>
    >>>>I was
    >>>>
    >>>>>supposed to be born a male, but came out a female ... super wide
    >>>>
    >>>>shoulders, monkey
    >>>>
    >>>>>arms (really need more of a mens sizing shirts as womens are too short in
    >>>>
    >>>>length
    >>>>
    >>>>>and sleeve length, and too narrow in the shoulders). And vice versa ... I
    >>>>
    >>>>know a
    >>>>
    >>>>>few men whose bone/body structure is actually more feminine than my own.
    >>>>
    >>>><G>
    >>>>
    >>>>>I have what I think of as a normal wrist measurement, but according to
    >>>>
    >>>>charts it
    >>>>
    >>>>>puts me right on the edge of medium/large framed (6.5 inches) - and my
    >>>>
    >>>>wrist bone
    >>>>
    >>>>>really sticks out! I also seem to be blessed with those longer hands -
    >>>>
    >>>>probably
    >>>>
    >>>>>not as long as yours, but not near as tiny as my *petite* daughter ... who
    >>>>
    >>>>happens
    >>>>
    >>>>>to be only 1 inch shorter than me. So where do those of us *tweeners*
    >>>>
    >>>>fall? Or
    >>>>
    >>>>>is this just another one of those *take your best guess* type of things?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>One of these days I am going to get out and buy those weights, just have
    >>>>
    >>>>some
    >>>>
    >>>>>other [censored] to straighten out first. I do have quite a bit of muscle,
    >>>>
    >>>>always have,
    >>>>
    >>>>>probably always will ... just not as much as I'd like. <G> I think I need
    >>>>
    >>>>to
    >>>>
    >>>>>build the muscles in the stomach area - everything else is doin' pretty
    >>>>
    >>>>well. <G>
    >>>>
    >>>>>And yikes ... if I lose more in any area - will it mean going down to even
    >>>>
    >>>>smaller
    >>>>
    >>>>>sizes? I'm in some 6's, some 8's ... depending ... pants already - and
    >>>>
    >>>>those 6's
    >>>>
    >>>>>tend to be pretty hard to find.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>I have no idea as to what calorie count I should be consuming - think my
    >>>>
    >>>>daily
    >>>>
    >>>>>trends tend to flucuate way too much right now to even try and figure it
    >>>>
    >>>>out. I
    >>>>
    >>>>>may just have to take a stab at the program you like ... is always fun to
    >>>>
    >>>>play
    >>>>
    >>>>>with new things. <G>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Joyce
    >>>>>
    >>>>>On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:03 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Thanks Joyce. I know muscle weighs. And Burns calories. I have slender "bones" but long
    >>>>>>ones? My hands are larger than almost any woman I know, but I have a tiny wrist
    >>>>>>measurement. It is hard to use many of the indicators of frame size. And taller women don't
    >>>>>>fit right into the recommended averages as far as calorie consumption goes either. I am
    >>>>>>religiously logging every bite right now into diet power to see what my metabolic rate is,
    >>>>>>and at this moment it is telling me I am burning 2300 calories a day. I expect that to come
    >>>>>>down some when I stay at a stable weight for a couple of weeks. I don't even Want to eat
    >>>>>>that much. It is reacting right now to me losing from that evil one six place.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>I think you are at a great weight, now build some muscles and those will burn off any tummy
    >>>>>>fat that is hanging around ๐Ÿ™‚. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Wow Lesanne, sometimes those other indicators tell us much more than
    >>>>>>
    >>>>just
    >>>>
    >>>>>>the
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>number seen on the scale. Being considered *athletic* is wonderful! I
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>checked
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>the website out, found out I am *acceptable* according to his little
    >>>>>>
    >>>>quiz.
    >>>>
    >>>>>>I'm
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>not sure if there would be any difference in the reading since it
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>currently is TOM
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>(ugh!) and chinese dinner last night. <G> Regardless, there was
    >>>>>>
    >>>>something
    >>>>
    >>>>>>else
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>there that opened my eyes up a bit more ... acceptable weight ...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>129-158.
    >>>>
    >>>>>>So why
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>should I keep hoping for 125? Like you, I think I'm going to quit
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>worrying about
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>the possibility of seeing the 120's again and work on staying in the
    >>>>>>
    >>>>low
    >>>>
    >>>>>>to mid
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>130's. And work on that body fat that just won't go away. <G>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long way!!!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Joyce
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:24:42 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>>>>My average for the week was 160. At least I am fairly sure next week
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>will
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>be a loss. My leader at my meeting (where I was at 159.5) said that
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>it
    >>>>
    >>>>>>is
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>probably not realistic for me to try to get to 155 anyway. I put my measurements into a
    >>>>>>>>site that Bob Greene has up, and came out with "athletic" category at 19. something
    >>>>>>>>percent body fat. I am going to
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>quit
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>trying to lose more and just concentrate on staying in the high one
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>fifties,
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>y Ya as they say here
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>

  7. Hey, an anniversary to celebrate - Mudslide or sling or fling is due
    (G)

    Maybe I will find it and toast you from here. Kind of as I wrote above in the ski thread, where I
    don't think I'm earning as many activity points - there is NO FIXED number. More walking one week,
    more stairs doing laundry, a birthday party, a dinner with friends, a shorter walk, a mudslide, a
    new offering from Trader Joes, a long vacation. Each thing will cause the point values to change,
    weekly or daily.

    Joyce said:

    I know we've talked the numbers thing before, and I know that there really isn't a firm number out
    there for maintaining. It changes constantly due to many factors. Yet I still want that firm
    number! I would feel better with it! Guess that's what I meant by *playing*. I seem to change that
    target number week by week, results don't appear to change at all. Guess that is a good thing?

    A year ago, on the button, I was 151.5 - just above my goal (which I reached the following week).
    Geeeesh, next week will be my 1 year at ww goal anniversary! I've lost 20 pounds since then, but
    yes - overall I have been very steady. I just realized I need to do some major update work on my
    weightloss chart - hasn't been updated since the end of may last year! But I do know that it fell
    by the wayside because I was staying on the right path ... seesawing here and there, but overall
    ... steady.

    You're right, as always. I am maintaining ... very happily.

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    No you are not. You ARE MAINTAINING. Where were you a year ago? Where now? And where in between?
    You lost a bit below but have been pretty steady, no?

    Joyce said:

    That's pretty much exactly what I said when I stepped on the scale ... go figure! I ate more this
    last week, exercised less, stayed away from the scale. I also did away with the flexpoints way of
    journalling, and went back 100% to the old ww plan ... upped my daily point range and
    banked/reversed banked away. It makes no sense to me at all. It could very well be just a shift
    in water weight. It does confuse me though as to how the heck I find a firm number where I can
    maintain. <sigh> Close to a year into the maintainence game and I'm still playing with numbers.

    Joyce

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:30:28 -0500, Connie <walshclan@nospam_primus.ca> wrote:

    >I love it ... an all-time low and she wasn't even trying... ain't that the way life goes.
    >
    >Connie
    >
    >Joyce wrote:
    >> Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized spare tires too.
    >> <G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had something to do with the
    >> measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week and the measurement changed by
    >> more than a full inch ... thus moving me into the fit range, 1% away from the athletic
    >> ... which I don't buy either (the athletic part). I think nothing is gonna please me. <G>
    >>
    >> On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very interesting tomorrow. I have avoided
    >> the scale the entire week, just not in the mood to face the music, so to speak - also hasn't
    >> been forefront on my mind. Hiked down there Wednesday morning, stepped up, stepped off. Slid
    >> the bar thing down to zero to make sure it was still well calibrated, thinking the boys must
    >> have moved it around when moving things in the basement. Nope, was still where it should be.
    >> Stepped back up, same reading ... a new all time low for me - at least all time low since I
    >> was ill in the early '80's. And this after finally making that decision to stick with 130 for
    >> maintanence. We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games with me.
    >>
    >> Joyce
    >>
    >> On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:52:55 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with undersized sparetires, you'd think
    >>>us guys would be able to have undersized spare tires, too! (G)
    >>>
    >>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me ... maybe my brain is just
    >>>>tired today. This method definitely does seem to favor those women with distinctive waists
    >>>>... not those that have little to no waistline. But I do know my own flaws and I can't argue
    >>>>that. I also know I'm never gonna have a tiny waistline - never have so why would I think I
    >>>>would down the road? I'm also interested to see what next week's measurements will be ...
    >>>>after TOM .. if any difference at all. LOL Us women sure have a lot of baggage to deal with.
    >>>>
    >>>>Joyce
    >>>>
    >>>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:12:10 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Well if you Were M, then that would be a very small WAIST measurement that you had there.
    >>>>>This thing is using that tool the docs' came up with a couple of years ago using the waist
    >>>>>measurement to figure cardiac risk factors? The ole apple shaped thing? I am going to go see
    >>>>>what I come out with if I go minimal...
    >>>>>
    >>>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Now this I find really bizarre. I enter the exact same stats but use
    >>>>>
    >>>>>minimal for
    >>>>>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>>
    >>>>>thing and
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>get slammed with 25.3%. Why the huge difference? I know women carry more
    >>>>>
    >>>>>natural
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>fatty tissue, but c'mon - I find it pretty dang hard to believe there is
    >>>>>
    >>>>>THAT much
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>of a difference. And what if you fall somewhere in between? Like I swear
    >>>>>
    >>>>>I was
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>supposed to be born a male, but came out a female ... super wide
    >>>>>
    >>>>>shoulders, monkey
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>arms (really need more of a mens sizing shirts as womens are too short in
    >>>>>
    >>>>>length
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>and sleeve length, and too narrow in the shoulders). And vice versa ... I
    >>>>>
    >>>>>know a
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>few men whose bone/body structure is actually more feminine than my own.
    >>>>>
    >>>>><G>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>I have what I think of as a normal wrist measurement, but according to
    >>>>>
    >>>>>charts it
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>puts me right on the edge of medium/large framed (6.5 inches) - and my
    >>>>>
    >>>>>wrist bone
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>really sticks out! I also seem to be blessed with those longer hands -
    >>>>>
    >>>>>probably
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>not as long as yours, but not near as tiny as my *petite* daughter ... who
    >>>>>
    >>>>>happens
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>to be only 1 inch shorter than me. So where do those of us *tweeners*
    >>>>>
    >>>>>fall? Or
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>is this just another one of those *take your best guess* type of things?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>One of these days I am going to get out and buy those weights, just have
    >>>>>
    >>>>>some
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>other [censored] to straighten out first. I do have quite a bit of muscle,
    >>>>>
    >>>>>always have,
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>probably always will ... just not as much as I'd like. <G> I think I need
    >>>>>
    >>>>>to
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>build the muscles in the stomach area - everything else is doin' pretty
    >>>>>
    >>>>>well. <G>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>And yikes ... if I lose more in any area - will it mean going down to even
    >>>>>
    >>>>>smaller
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>sizes? I'm in some 6's, some 8's ... depending ... pants already - and
    >>>>>
    >>>>>those 6's
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>tend to be pretty hard to find.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>I have no idea as to what calorie count I should be consuming - think my
    >>>>>
    >>>>>daily
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>trends tend to flucuate way too much right now to even try and figure it
    >>>>>
    >>>>>out. I
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>may just have to take a stab at the program you like ... is always fun to
    >>>>>
    >>>>>play
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>with new things. <G>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Joyce
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:03 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Thanks Joyce. I know muscle weighs. And Burns calories. I have slender "bones" but long
    >>>>>>>ones? My hands are larger than almost any woman I know, but I have a tiny wrist
    >>>>>>>measurement. It is hard to use many of the indicators of frame size. And taller women
    >>>>>>>don't fit right into the recommended averages as far as calorie consumption goes either. I
    >>>>>>>am religiously logging every bite right now into diet power to see what my metabolic rate
    >>>>>>>is, and at this moment it is telling me I am burning 2300 calories a day. I expect that to
    >>>>>>>come down some when I stay at a stable weight for a couple of weeks. I don't even Want to
    >>>>>>>eat that much. It is reacting right now to me losing from that evil one six place.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>I think you are at a great weight, now build some muscles and those will burn off any
    >>>>>>>tummy fat that is hanging around ๐Ÿ™‚. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Wow Lesanne, sometimes those other indicators tell us much more than
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>just
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>>the
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>number seen on the scale. Being considered *athletic* is wonderful! I
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>checked
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>the website out, found out I am *acceptable* according to his little
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>quiz.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>>I'm
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>not sure if there would be any difference in the reading since it
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>currently is TOM
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>(ugh!) and chinese dinner last night. <G> Regardless, there was
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>something
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>>else
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>there that opened my eyes up a bit more ... acceptable weight ...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>129-158.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>>So why
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>should I keep hoping for 125? Like you, I think I'm going to quit
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>worrying about
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>the possibility of seeing the 120's again and work on staying in the
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>low
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>>to mid
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>130's. And work on that body fat that just won't go away. <G>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long way!!!
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Joyce
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:24:42 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>My average for the week was 160. At least I am fairly sure next week
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>will
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>be a loss. My leader at my meeting (where I was at 159.5) said that
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>it
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>>is
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>probably not realistic for me to try to get to 155 anyway. I put my measurements into a
    >>>>>>>>>site that Bob Greene has up, and came out with "athletic" category at 19. something
    >>>>>>>>>percent body fat. I am going to
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>quit
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>trying to lose more and just concentrate on staying in the high one
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>fifties,
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>y Ya as they say here
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>

  8. happy anniversary!!! Maybe going into game mode with yourself is how you
    maintain? Lee
    Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I know we've talked the numbers thing before, and I know that there really


    isn't a

    Quoted message said:

    firm number out there for maintaining. It changes constantly due to many


    factors.

    Quoted message said:

    Yet I still want that firm number! I would feel better with it! Guess


    that's

    Quoted message said:

    what I meant by *playing*. I seem to change that target number week by


    week,

    Quoted message said:

    results don't appear to change at all. Guess that is a good thing?

    A year ago, on the button, I was 151.5 - just above my goal (which I


    reached the

    Quoted message said:

    following week). Geeeesh, next week will be my 1 year at ww goal


    anniversary!

    Quoted message said:

    I've lost 20 pounds since then, but yes - overall I have been very steady.


    I just

    Quoted message said:

    realized I need to do some major update work on my weightloss chart -


    hasn't been

    Quoted message said:

    updated since the end of may last year! But I do know that it fell by the


    wayside

    Quoted message said:

    because I was staying on the right path ... seesawing here and there, but


    overall

    Quoted message said:

    ... steady.

    You're right, as always. I am maintaining ... very happily.

    Joyce

    On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:55:30 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    No you are not. You ARE MAINTAINING. Where were you a year ago? Where now? And where in between?
    You lost a bit below but have been pretty steady, no?

    Joyce said:

    That's pretty much exactly what I said when I stepped on the scale ...


    go figure!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I ate more this last week, exercised less, stayed away from the scale.


    I also did

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    away with the flexpoints way of journalling, and went back 100% to the


    old ww plan

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ... upped my daily point range and banked/reversed banked away. It


    makes no

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    sense to me at all. It could very well be just a shift in water weight.


    It does

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    confuse me though as to how the heck I find a firm number where I can


    maintain.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <sigh> Close to a year into the maintainence game and I'm still playing


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    numbers.

    Joyce

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:30:28 -0500, Connie <walshclan@nospam_primus.ca>


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    >I love it ... an all-time low and she wasn't even trying... ain't that the way life goes.
    >
    >Connie
    >
    >Joyce wrote:
    >> Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized


    spare tires too.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> <G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had


    something to do

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> with the measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week and


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> measurement changed by more than a full inch ... thus moving me into


    the fit

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    >> range, 1% away from the athletic ... which I don't buy either (the


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  9. This is exactly why I love WW. The flex does work better for me but I have
    had an ongoing problem with the concept of a "day" due to the way we work
    and the stuff going on if I picked a specific 24 hours I would just be
    screwed, I can go for a long time awake then sleep for my big sleep time
    four hours and go again for another twenty so I decided that since I eat at
    least every two hours when I can and I eat just a few points at a time, my
    new day would start when I reached the end of the day's points, plus three
    hours. Three hours is one more than I like to go without eating and about
    the amount of time I sleep on average. Since I have done this I have had no
    trouble at all sticking to points. Lee
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    Joyce

    On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:38:38 -0600, "Miss Violette"


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    That's pretty much exactly what I said when I stepped on the scale ...


    go

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    tomorrow. I

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    Wednesday

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    since I was ill

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    >> On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:52:55 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>


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    spare

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    >>>tires, too! (G)
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    TOM

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    >>>>>>>>Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long way!!!
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    >>>>>>>>Joyce
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  10. Heaven only knows what goes on in my mind, Lee. LOL But whatever it is, it so far appears to work
    for me, and that's what is important. I go up, I come down, I hover. I think my body shape is
    changing again also. I found a pair of pants I purchased on sale last month, tucked them into my
    closet and forgot about them. Pulled them out yesterday, tags still on so I know they were unworn
    ... put them on and the dang things are saggy in the behind and waist. <sigh> I'm hoping they will
    shrink in the wash. DANG! I don't think I've ever said that before. LOL I also had purchased a
    stretchy t-shirt for my mom, which was too small for her. I got lazy and never returned it, so
    figured I would go ahead and wear it. It's a cheapie from Wal-Mart, misses size Large, which is what
    I usually reach for because of my danged shoulders. Threw the thing on this morning and it's huge.
    Oh well, I'm wearing it anyway.

    Joyce

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    happy anniversary!!! Maybe going into game mode with yourself is how you maintain? Lee Joyce
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    what I meant by *playing*. I seem to change that target number week by


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    results don't appear to change at all. Guess that is a good thing?

    A year ago, on the button, I was 151.5 - just above my goal (which I


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    following week). Geeeesh, next week will be my 1 year at ww goal


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    I've lost 20 pounds since then, but yes - overall I have been very steady.


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    realized I need to do some major update work on my weightloss chart -


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    updated since the end of may last year! But I do know that it fell by the


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    because I was staying on the right path ... seesawing here and there, but


    overall

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    ... steady.

    You're right, as always. I am maintaining ... very happily.

    Joyce

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    No you are not. You ARE MAINTAINING. Where were you a year ago? Where now? And where in between?
    You lost a bit below but have been pretty steady, no?

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    >That's pretty much exactly what I said when I stepped on the scale ...


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    >away with the flexpoints way of journalling, and went back 100% to the


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    >... upped my daily point range and banked/reversed banked away. It


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    >confuse me though as to how the heck I find a firm number where I can


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    ><sigh> Close to a year into the maintainence game and I'm still playing


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    >Joyce
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    >On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:30:28 -0500, Connie <walshclan@nospam_primus.ca>


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    >>I love it ... an all-time low and she wasn't even trying... ain't that the way life goes.
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    >>Connie
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    >>> Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized


    spare tires too.

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    >>> <G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had


    something to do

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    >>> range, 1% away from the athletic ... which I don't buy either (the


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    >>> On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very interesting


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    >>> things in the basement. Nope, was still where it should be. Stepped


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    >>> for maintanence. We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games with


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    >>>>Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with


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    >>>>>I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me ...


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    those women with

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    slender

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    I know,

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    the

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    I am

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    what my

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    much. It is

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    those will

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    >>>>>>>>burn off any tummy fat that is hanging around ๐Ÿ™‚. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    >>>>>>>>>Wow Lesanne, sometimes those other indicators tell us much more


    than

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    wonderful! I

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    little

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    it

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    >>>>>>>>currently is TOM
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    >>>>>>>>>(ugh!) and chinese dinner last night. <G> Regardless, there was
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    quit

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    the

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    >>>>>>>>>Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long way!!!
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    >>>>>>>>>Joyce
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    <[email hidden]>

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    next week

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  11. Ummmmmmm, trekking away in sticky snow flurries and fog is not MY idea of fun. Glad you enjoyed it
    though. <G> I have no good advise to offer you in how to determine those activity points. I know in
    the past we discussed listening to our bodies, refeed/refuel as we feel the necessity. But sometimes
    that is just plain old tricky - such as what I've gone through this past week. I've been constantly
    hungry - and real hunger, not bored hunger. I know it isn't from over exertion by any means. Does
    our body just get into occassional cycles where it demands more food? Or are those old demons trying
    hard to come out? Or could the body also be trying to make up for weeks prior when we didn't give it
    enough? I haven't quite figured any of this out, and have a feeling I never will.

    Well, I have no mountains anywhere near me to look at ... and I can go in my backyard and look at
    the stars. I'll also admit to being able to forego the hot water and shower daily, but it's still
    nice to have access to it when the need or desire arises ... as well as an indoor potty (which I do
    need on a daily basis). You aren't going to talk me into camping. <G>

    Joyce

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    I am beginning to think that I am not earning as many points for my exercise as I use to. It makes
    sense but I don't like the idea - how the heck will I earn my DESSERT points. Today's ski trip just
    did not seem like enough points. Oh, it was a hell of trip. Sticky snow dragging on the bottoms of
    my skis and it snow flurried the entire time while foggy. Gee, doesn't it sound like fun (G)

    I am doing sushi tonight - forced good food and narrow points.

    Camping is generally terrific although there have been days or nights that were less so. I just
    love looking up at the stars and being in the clean mountains altho, there have been days when
    the amount of work was extraordinary. Should I admit I can do without the hot water and shower
    every day (g)

    Joyce said:

    HA! I was thinking the same thoughts on Friday when I hit the scales. Not trying to lose, but
    still happy to see the numbers down ... then eat more and make up for it after weighin ... only to
    cut back down the following days/week to make sure everything is back where it is supposed to be.
    Is it us playing games with our minds, or our minds playing games with us, or is there any
    difference between the two? <G> I THINK I have finally realized that I am where I should be. It
    APPEARS to be not overly difficult to maintain. Yes, I have to pay attention - but it is doable. I
    think I'm thwarting this week. <G>

    I've never been into camping, sad to say. My idea of camping is a hotel room somewhere, with a
    nice bed and warm, running water. On the rare occassion that I get a vacation, I'm taking one ...
    not working harder than I already do at home!
    <G> Hub never got into it either, tells the kids he had his fill of camping in Viet Nam.

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    You do realize that we are all playing at this like we are trying to still lose but also NOT lose
    while maybe losing is okay but not a good idea which we then thwart again the next week, etc, etc
    and who knows what (G)

    Ah, camping - almost getting to be time for that again - in JULY~! (G) Actually, a Hells Canyon
    trip may be in the offing in a month or so. Then again, may save the vacation for other things.

    On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:23:39 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Well, they weren't nearly as exciting as the unofficial results. Up a pound from what it was on
    >Wednesday - wouldn't ya just know it. <sigh> Since I only weighed myself twice in the week ...
    >on wednesday and on friday ... I decided to not use the average, just went with the actual
    >reading of 129.5 ... one tenth of a pound higher than my all-time low since joining ww (which I
    >hit sometime in december). But it's still well within my maintainence game plan, so I am a happy
    >camper.
    >
    >Joyce started ww 2/5/02 ---> 228.8/129.5/150ww goal/140ish personal goal WW GOAL!!! 2/21/03 --->
    >LIFETIME 4/4/03 PERSONAL GOAL: 5/16/03
    >
    >On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:41:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>Well, I await the OFFICIAL results
    >>
    >>On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:25:14 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized spare tires too.
    >>><G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had something to do with the
    >>> measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week and the measurement changed by
    >>> more than a full inch ... thus moving me into the fit range, 1% away from the athletic
    >>> ... which I don't buy either (the athletic part). I think nothing is gonna please me. <G>
    >>>
    >>>On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very interesting tomorrow. I have avoided
    >>>the scale the entire week, just not in the mood to face the music, so to speak - also hasn't
    >>>been forefront on my mind. Hiked down there Wednesday morning, stepped up, stepped off. Slid
    >>>the bar thing down to zero to make sure it was still well calibrated, thinking the boys must
    >>>have moved it around when moving things in the basement. Nope, was still where it should be.
    >>>Stepped back up, same reading ... a new all time low for me - at least all time low since I
    >>>was ill in the early '80's. And this after finally making that decision to stick with 130 for
    >>>maintanence. We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games with me.
    >>>
    >>>Joyce
    >>>
    >>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:52:55 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with undersized sparetires, you'd
    >>>>think us guys would be able to have undersized spare tires, too! (G)
    >>>>
    >>>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me ... maybe my brain is just
    >>>>>tired today. This method definitely does seem to favor those women with distinctive waists
    >>>>>... not those that have little to no waistline. But I do know my own flaws and I can't argue
    >>>>>that. I also know I'm never gonna have a tiny waistline - never have so why would I think I
    >>>>>would down the road? I'm also interested to see what next week's measurements will be ...
    >>>>>after TOM .. if any difference at all. LOL Us women sure have a lot of baggage to deal with.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Joyce
    >>>>>
    >>>>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:12:10 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Well if you Were M, then that would be a very small WAIST measurement that you had there.
    >>>>>>This thing is using that tool the docs' came up with a couple of years ago using the waist
    >>>>>>measurement to figure cardiac risk factors? The ole apple shaped thing? I am going to go
    >>>>>>see what I come out with if I go minimal...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>> Now this I find really bizarre. I enter the exact same stats but use
    >>>>>>minimal for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>>>thing and
    >>>>>>> get slammed with 25.3%. Why the huge difference? I know women carry more
    >>>>>>natural
    >>>>>>> fatty tissue, but c'mon - I find it pretty dang hard to believe there is
    >>>>>>THAT much
    >>>>>>> of a difference. And what if you fall somewhere in between? Like I swear
    >>>>>>I was
    >>>>>>> supposed to be born a male, but came out a female ... super wide
    >>>>>>shoulders, monkey
    >>>>>>> arms (really need more of a mens sizing shirts as womens are too short in
    >>>>>>length
    >>>>>>> and sleeve length, and too narrow in the shoulders). And vice versa ... I
    >>>>>>know a
    >>>>>>> few men whose bone/body structure is actually more feminine than my own.
    >>>>>><G>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I have what I think of as a normal wrist measurement, but according to
    >>>>>>charts it
    >>>>>>> puts me right on the edge of medium/large framed (6.5 inches) - and my
    >>>>>>wrist bone
    >>>>>>> really sticks out! I also seem to be blessed with those longer hands -
    >>>>>>probably
    >>>>>>> not as long as yours, but not near as tiny as my *petite* daughter ... who
    >>>>>>happens
    >>>>>>> to be only 1 inch shorter than me. So where do those of us *tweeners*
    >>>>>>fall? Or
    >>>>>>> is this just another one of those *take your best guess* type of things?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> One of these days I am going to get out and buy those weights, just have
    >>>>>>some
    >>>>>>> other [censored] to straighten out first. I do have quite a bit of muscle,
    >>>>>>always have,
    >>>>>>> probably always will ... just not as much as I'd like. <G> I think I need
    >>>>>>to
    >>>>>>> build the muscles in the stomach area - everything else is doin' pretty
    >>>>>>well. <G>
    >>>>>>> And yikes ... if I lose more in any area - will it mean going down to even
    >>>>>>smaller
    >>>>>>> sizes? I'm in some 6's, some 8's ... depending ... pants already - and
    >>>>>>those 6's
    >>>>>>> tend to be pretty hard to find.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I have no idea as to what calorie count I should be consuming - think my
    >>>>>>daily
    >>>>>>> trends tend to flucuate way too much right now to even try and figure it
    >>>>>>out. I
    >>>>>>> may just have to take a stab at the program you like ... is always fun to
    >>>>>>play
    >>>>>>> with new things. <G>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Joyce
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:03 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> >Thanks Joyce. I know muscle weighs. And Burns calories. I have slender "bones" but long
    >>>>>>> >ones? My hands are larger than almost any woman I know, but I have a tiny wrist
    >>>>>>> >measurement. It is hard to use many of the indicators of frame size. And taller women
    >>>>>>> >don't fit right into the recommended averages as far as calorie consumption goes either.
    >>>>>>> >I am religiously logging every bite right now into diet power to see what my metabolic
    >>>>>>> >rate is, and at this moment it is telling me I am burning 2300 calories a day. I expect
    >>>>>>> >that to come down some when I stay at a stable weight for a couple of weeks. I don't
    >>>>>>> >even Want to eat that much. It is reacting right now to me losing from that evil one six
    >>>>>>> >place.
    >>>>>>> >
    >>>>>>> >I think you are at a great weight, now build some muscles and those will burn off any
    >>>>>>> >tummy fat that is hanging around ๐Ÿ™‚. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>> >> Wow Lesanne, sometimes those other indicators tell us much more than
    >>>>>>just
    >>>>>>> >the
    >>>>>>> >> number seen on the scale. Being considered *athletic* is wonderful! I
    >>>>>>> >checked
    >>>>>>> >> the website out, found out I am *acceptable* according to his little
    >>>>>>quiz.
    >>>>>>> >I'm
    >>>>>>> >> not sure if there would be any difference in the reading since it
    >>>>>>> >currently is TOM
    >>>>>>> >> (ugh!) and chinese dinner last night. <G> Regardless, there was
    >>>>>>something
    >>>>>>> >else
    >>>>>>> >> there that opened my eyes up a bit more ... acceptable weight ...
    >>>>>>129-158.
    >>>>>>> >So why
    >>>>>>> >> should I keep hoping for 125? Like you, I think I'm going to quit
    >>>>>>> >worrying about
    >>>>>>> >> the possibility of seeing the 120's again and work on staying in the
    >>>>>>low
    >>>>>>> >to mid
    >>>>>>> >> 130's. And work on that body fat that just won't go away. <G>
    >>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>> >> Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long way!!!
    >>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>> >> Joyce
    >>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>> >> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:24:42 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >>>>>>wrote:
    >>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>> >> >My average for the week was 160. At least I am fairly sure next week
    >>>>>>> >will
    >>>>>>> >> >be a loss. My leader at my meeting (where I was at 159.5) said that
    >>>>>>it
    >>>>>>> >is
    >>>>>>> >> >probably not realistic for me to try to get to 155 anyway. I put my measurements into
    >>>>>>> >> >a site that Bob Greene has up, and came out with "athletic" category at 19. something
    >>>>>>> >> >percent body fat. I am going to
    >>>>>>> >quit
    >>>>>>> >> >trying to lose more and just concentrate on staying in the high one
    >>>>>>> >fifties,
    >>>>>>> >> >y Ya as they say here
    >>>>>>> >> >
    >>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>> >
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>

  12. I wish I could say I made it through the entire weightloss process with no gains, but I can't. There
    were several blips throughout the year, gains, maintains, whooshes ... all in all the end result did
    turn out the same. I do understand what you're saying though. That first gain was very traumatic.
    After that they kind of came in stride and now they don't bug me in the least ... unless they occur
    for more than one week.

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    Amen, sister. It does mess with me, for sure.

    And I am one of the individuals who lost each and every weigh in until I reached Lifetime. So that
    first gain was a real downer. Each one since has been less apocolyptic but that, too, is scary
    since you also don't want to turn a blind eye to gains.

    Joyce said:

    Maybe that's where we have a tougher time settling into just being happy maintaining? That reward
    thing! Somehow just staying the same, floating up and down a bit, just isn't the same as that
    steady weekly decline ... even when we know we should be (and are) thrilled with it. Mentally, it
    really does mess with you.

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    I don't think seeing 140 for me is in the cards which may be why trying to get lower without a
    SOLID goal does not work. Accepting a half decade is probably just not magical enough. And you
    have pointed out the one real issue - the rewards for Maintenance have to be just maintaining.
    Hover. Up. Hover. Down. Hover, Hover, waffle, wiffle.... Oh, and the thrill of still seeing
    myself in a new light - it is still terrific but so UNconcrete.

    On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:15:03 -0600, Prairie Roots <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Even as a lifetimer, seeing a new decade lower on the scale must still be a thrill. Congrats! I
    >love reading your stats, especially as I'm getting closer to my WW goal and beginning to
    >entertain thoughts about my personal goal. Thanks so much for sticking around and sharing your
    >experience.
    >
    >Prairie Roots On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:23:39 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>Well, they weren't nearly as exciting as the unofficial results. Up a pound from what it was on
    >>Wednesday - wouldn't ya just know it. <sigh> Since I only weighed myself twice in the week ...
    >>on wednesday and on friday ... I decided to not use the average, just went with the actual
    >>reading of 129.5 ... one tenth of a pound higher than my all-time low since joining ww (which I
    >>hit sometime in december). But it's still well within my maintainence game plan, so I am a
    >>happy camper.
    >>
    >>Joyce started ww 2/5/02 ---> 228.8/129.5/150ww goal/140ish personal goal WW GOAL!!! 2/21/03 ---
    >>> LIFETIME 4/4/03 PERSONAL GOAL: 5/16/03
    >>
    >>On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:41:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Well, I await the OFFICIAL results
    >>>
    >>>On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:25:14 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized spare tires too.
    >>>><G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had something to do with the
    >>>> measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week and the measurement changed by
    >>>> more than a full inch ... thus moving me into the fit range, 1% away from the athletic
    >>>> ... which I don't buy either (the athletic part). I think nothing is gonna please me.
    >>>> <G>
    >>>>
    >>>>On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very interesting tomorrow. I have avoided
    >>>>the scale the entire week, just not in the mood to face the music, so to speak - also hasn't
    >>>>been forefront on my mind. Hiked down there Wednesday morning, stepped up, stepped off. Slid
    >>>>the bar thing down to zero to make sure it was still well calibrated, thinking the boys must
    >>>>have moved it around when moving things in the basement. Nope, was still where it should be.
    >>>>Stepped back up, same reading ... a new all time low for me - at least all time low since I
    >>>>was ill in the early '80's. And this after finally making that decision to stick with 130 for
    >>>>maintanence. We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games with me.
    >>>>
    >>>>Joyce
    >>>>
    >>>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:52:55 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with undersized sparetires, you'd
    >>>>>think us guys would be able to have undersized spare tires, too! (G)
    >>>>>
    >>>>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me ... maybe my brain is just
    >>>>>>tired today. This method definitely does seem to favor those women with distinctive waists
    >>>>>>... not those that have little to no waistline. But I do know my own flaws and I can't
    >>>>>>argue that. I also know I'm never gonna have a tiny waistline - never have so why would I
    >>>>>>think I would down the road? I'm also interested to see what next week's measurements will
    >>>>>>be ... after TOM .. if any difference at all. LOL Us women sure have a lot of baggage to
    >>>>>>deal with.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Joyce
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:12:10 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Well if you Were M, then that would be a very small WAIST measurement that you had there.
    >>>>>>>This thing is using that tool the docs' came up with a couple of years ago using the waist
    >>>>>>>measurement to figure cardiac risk factors? The ole apple shaped thing? I am going to go
    >>>>>>>see what I come out with if I go minimal...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>>> Now this I find really bizarre. I enter the exact same stats but use
    >>>>>>>minimal for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>>>>thing and
    >>>>>>>> get slammed with 25.3%. Why the huge difference? I know women carry more
    >>>>>>>natural
    >>>>>>>> fatty tissue, but c'mon - I find it pretty dang hard to believe there is
    >>>>>>>THAT much
    >>>>>>>> of a difference. And what if you fall somewhere in between? Like I swear
    >>>>>>>I was
    >>>>>>>> supposed to be born a male, but came out a female ... super wide
    >>>>>>>shoulders, monkey
    >>>>>>>> arms (really need more of a mens sizing shirts as womens are too short in
    >>>>>>>length
    >>>>>>>> and sleeve length, and too narrow in the shoulders). And vice versa ... I
    >>>>>>>know a
    >>>>>>>> few men whose bone/body structure is actually more feminine than my own.
    >>>>>>><G>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I have what I think of as a normal wrist measurement, but according to
    >>>>>>>charts it
    >>>>>>>> puts me right on the edge of medium/large framed (6.5 inches) - and my
    >>>>>>>wrist bone
    >>>>>>>> really sticks out! I also seem to be blessed with those longer hands -
    >>>>>>>probably
    >>>>>>>> not as long as yours, but not near as tiny as my *petite* daughter ... who
    >>>>>>>happens
    >>>>>>>> to be only 1 inch shorter than me. So where do those of us *tweeners*
    >>>>>>>fall? Or
    >>>>>>>> is this just another one of those *take your best guess* type of things?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> One of these days I am going to get out and buy those weights, just have
    >>>>>>>some
    >>>>>>>> other [censored] to straighten out first. I do have quite a bit of muscle,
    >>>>>>>always have,
    >>>>>>>> probably always will ... just not as much as I'd like. <G> I think I need
    >>>>>>>to
    >>>>>>>> build the muscles in the stomach area - everything else is doin' pretty
    >>>>>>>well. <G>
    >>>>>>>> And yikes ... if I lose more in any area - will it mean going down to even
    >>>>>>>smaller
    >>>>>>>> sizes? I'm in some 6's, some 8's ... depending ... pants already - and
    >>>>>>>those 6's
    >>>>>>>> tend to be pretty hard to find.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I have no idea as to what calorie count I should be consuming - think my
    >>>>>>>daily
    >>>>>>>> trends tend to flucuate way too much right now to even try and figure it
    >>>>>>>out. I
    >>>>>>>> may just have to take a stab at the program you like ... is always fun to
    >>>>>>>play
    >>>>>>>> with new things. <G>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Joyce
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:03 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> >Thanks Joyce. I know muscle weighs. And Burns calories. I have slender "bones" but long
    >>>>>>>> >ones? My hands are larger than almost any woman I know, but I have a tiny wrist
    >>>>>>>> >measurement. It is hard to use many of the indicators of frame size. And taller women
    >>>>>>>> >don't fit right into the recommended averages as far as calorie consumption goes
    >>>>>>>> >either. I am religiously logging every bite right now into diet power to see what my
    >>>>>>>> >metabolic rate is, and at this moment it is telling me I am burning 2300 calories a
    >>>>>>>> >day. I expect that to come down some when I stay at a stable weight for a couple of
    >>>>>>>> >weeks. I don't even Want to eat that much. It is reacting right now to me losing from
    >>>>>>>> >that evil one six place.
    >>>>>>>> >
    >>>>>>>> >I think you are at a great weight, now build some muscles and those will burn off any
    >>>>>>>> >tummy fat that is hanging around ๐Ÿ™‚. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>>> >> Wow Lesanne, sometimes those other indicators tell us much more than
    >>>>>>>just
    >>>>>>>> >the
    >>>>>>>> >> number seen on the scale. Being considered *athletic* is wonderful! I
    >>>>>>>> >checked
    >>>>>>>> >> the website out, found out I am *acceptable* according to his little
    >>>>>>>quiz.
    >>>>>>>> >I'm
    >>>>>>>> >> not sure if there would be any difference in the reading since it
    >>>>>>>> >currently is TOM
    >>>>>>>> >> (ugh!) and chinese dinner last night. <G> Regardless, there was
    >>>>>>>something
    >>>>>>>> >else
    >>>>>>>> >> there that opened my eyes up a bit more ... acceptable weight ...
    >>>>>>>129-158.
    >>>>>>>> >So why
    >>>>>>>> >> should I keep hoping for 125? Like you, I think I'm going to quit
    >>>>>>>> >worrying about
    >>>>>>>> >> the possibility of seeing the 120's again and work on staying in the
    >>>>>>>low
    >>>>>>>> >to mid
    >>>>>>>> >> 130's. And work on that body fat that just won't go away. <G>
    >>>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>>> >> Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long way!!!
    >>>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>>> >> Joyce
    >>>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:24:42 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >>>>>>>wrote:
    >>>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>>> >> >My average for the week was 160. At least I am fairly sure next week
    >>>>>>>> >will
    >>>>>>>> >> >be a loss. My leader at my meeting (where I was at 159.5) said that
    >>>>>>>it
    >>>>>>>> >is
    >>>>>>>> >> >probably not realistic for me to try to get to 155 anyway. I put my measurements
    >>>>>>>> >> >into a site that Bob Greene has up, and came out with "athletic" category at 19.
    >>>>>>>> >> >something percent body fat. I am going to
    >>>>>>>> >quit
    >>>>>>>> >> >trying to lose more and just concentrate on staying in the high one
    >>>>>>>> >fifties,
    >>>>>>>> >> >y Ya as they say here
    >>>>>>>> >> >
    >>>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>>> >
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>

  13. Your sleep schedule (or lack of) sounds much like mine. I'm up between 6:30 and 7 in the morning,
    hit bed between 3 and 4 - long stretch in between. Sometimes I knock out on the couch in the
    evening, sometimes I don't. I still figure my *day* from the time I get up until the time I go to
    bed. When I get up the new day, and new journal, begin ... period. If I ended the day when I ran out
    of points, I would have some days that only had 12 hours or less in them ... and also would have
    some days that never ended. LOL! Again, it's all in finding what works for US.

    Joyce

    Miss Violette said:

    This is exactly why I love WW. The flex does work better for me but I have had an ongoing problem
    with the concept of a "day" due to the way we work and the stuff going on if I picked a specific 24
    hours I would just be screwed, I can go for a long time awake then sleep for my big sleep time four
    hours and go again for another twenty so I decided that since I eat at least every two hours when I
    can and I eat just a few points at a time, my new day would start when I reached the end of the
    day's points, plus three hours. Three hours is one more than I like to go without eating and about
    the amount of time I sleep on average. Since I have done this I have had no trouble at all sticking
    to points. Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Ahhhhhhh, the journal was a tough one. I used the online journal and set


    my target

    Quoted message said:

    point at the highest number in my point range ... then totally ignored the flexpoint number. In
    the notes section I set up a list for activity


    points, for

    Quoted message said:

    banked or overage food points, and one more for a daily log of where I was


    for the

    Quoted message said:

    week ... over or under points. It worked fantastically! I had to


    manually figure

    Quoted message said:

    out the numbers, but it wasn't difficult at all. And it really does work


    much

    Quoted message said:

    better for ME than the flexpoint thing.

    Joyce

    On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:38:38 -0600, "Miss Violette"


    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What did you settle on for a journal then? Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > That's pretty much exactly what I said when I stepped on the scale ...


    go

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    figure!
    > I ate more this last week, exercised less, stayed away from the scale.


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    also did
    > away with the flexpoints way of journalling, and went back 100% to the


    old

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ww plan
    > ... upped my daily point range and banked/reversed banked away. It
    makes no
    > sense to me at all. It could very well be just a shift in water


    weight.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It does
    > confuse me though as to how the heck I find a firm number where I can
    maintain.
    > <sigh> Close to a year into the maintainence game and I'm still


    playing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    with
    > numbers.
    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:30:28 -0500, Connie <walshclan@nospam_primus.ca>
    wrote:
    >
    > >I love it ... an all-time low and she wasn't even trying... ain't that the way life goes.
    > >
    > >Connie
    > >
    > >Joyce wrote:
    > >> Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized


    spare

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    tires too.
    > >> <G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had
    something to do
    > >> with the measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week and


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> measurement changed by more than a full inch ... thus moving me into
    the fit
    > >> range, 1% away from the athletic ... which I don't buy either (the
    athletic part).
    > >> I think nothing is gonna please me. <G>
    > >>
    > >> On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very interesting
    tomorrow. I
    > >> have avoided the scale the entire week, just not in the mood to face
    the music, so
    > >> to speak - also hasn't been forefront on my mind. Hiked down there
    Wednesday
    > >> morning, stepped up, stepped off. Slid the bar thing down to zero


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    make sure it
    > >> was still well calibrated, thinking the boys must have moved it


    around

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    when moving
    > >> things in the basement. Nope, was still where it should be.


    Stepped

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    back up,
    > >> same reading ... a new all time low for me - at least all time low
    since I was ill
    > >> in the early '80's. And this after finally making that decision to
    stick with 130
    > >> for maintanence. We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games with
    me.
    > >>
    > >> Joyce
    > >>
    > >> On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:52:55 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with


    undersized

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >>>sparetires, you'd think us guys would be able to have undersized


    spare

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >>>tires, too! (G)
    > >>>
    > >>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me ...
    maybe my brain
    > >>>>is just tired today. This method definitely does seem to favor


    those

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    women with
    > >>>>distinctive waists ... not those that have little to no waistline.
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    > >>>>my own flaws and I can't argue that. I also know I'm never gonna


    have

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    a tiny
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    I'm also
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    TOM

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    .. if any
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    deal

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    > >>>>Joyce
    > >>>>
    > >>>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:12:10 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>Well if you Were M, then that would be a very small WAIST


    measurement

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    with

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    a
    > >>>>>couple of years ago using the waist measurement to figure cardiac
    risk
    > >>>>>factors? The ole apple shaped thing? I am going to go see what I
    come out
    > >>>>>with if I go minimal...
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >>>>>"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>Now this I find really bizarre. I enter the exact same stats but
    use
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    > >>>>>minimal for
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    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>thing and
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>get slammed with 25.3%. Why the huge difference? I know women
    carry more
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>natural
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>fatty tissue, but c'mon - I find it pretty dang hard to believe
    there is
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>THAT much
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    > >>>>>>of a difference. And what if you fall somewhere in between?


    Like I

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    swear
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    > >>>>>I was
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>supposed to be born a male, but came out a female ... super wide
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>shoulders, monkey
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>arms (really need more of a mens sizing shirts as womens are too
    short in
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    > >>>>>length
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>and sleeve length, and too narrow in the shoulders). And vice


    versa

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    > >>>>>>few men whose bone/body structure is actually more feminine than


    my

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    > >>>>>>really sticks out! I also seem to be blessed with those longer
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    > >>>>>>not as long as yours, but not near as tiny as my *petite*


    daughter

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    > >>>>>>to be only 1 inch shorter than me. So where do those of us
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    > >>>>>fall? Or
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    > >>>>>>is this just another one of those *take your best guess* type of
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    just

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    > >>>>>always have,
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    > >>>>>>probably always will ... just not as much as I'd like. <G> I


    think

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    pretty
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    > >>>>>well. <G>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>And yikes ... if I lose more in any area - will it mean going


    down

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    already -

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    > >>>>>those 6's
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>tend to be pretty hard to find.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>I have no idea as to what calorie count I should be consuming -
    think my
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>daily
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>trends tend to flucuate way too much right now to even try and
    figure it
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>out. I
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>may just have to take a stab at the program you like ... is


    always

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    fun to
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    > >>>>>play
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    > >>>>>>with new things. <G>
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    > >>>>>>Joyce
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:03 GMT, "Lesanne"


    <[email hidden]>

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    wrote:
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    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>Thanks Joyce. I know muscle weighs. And Burns calories. I


    have

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    slender
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    woman I

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    know,
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    the

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    > >>>>>>>indicators of frame size. And taller women don't fit right into
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    > >>>>>>>recommended averages as far as calorie consumption goes either.


    I

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    am
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    what my
    > >>>>>>>metabolic rate is, and at this moment it is telling me I am


    burning

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    2300
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    a

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    stable
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    much.

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    It is
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    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>I think you are at a great weight, now build some muscles and


    those

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    will
    > >>>>>>>burn off any tummy fat that is hanging around ๐Ÿ™‚. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    > >>>>>>>message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>Wow Lesanne, sometimes those other indicators tell us much more
    than
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>just
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>>the
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>number seen on the scale. Being considered *athletic* is
    wonderful! I
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>checked
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>the website out, found out I am *acceptable* according to his
    little
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>quiz.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>>I'm
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>not sure if there would be any difference in the reading since


    it

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    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>currently is TOM
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>(ugh!) and chinese dinner last night. <G> Regardless, there


    was

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    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>something
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>>else
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>there that opened my eyes up a bit more ... acceptable weight


    ...

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    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>129-158.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>>So why
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>should I keep hoping for 125? Like you, I think I'm going to


    quit

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    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>worrying about
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>the possibility of seeing the 120's again and work on staying


    in

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    the
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>low
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>>to mid
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>130's. And work on that body fat that just won't go away. <G>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long way!!!
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>Joyce
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:24:42 GMT, "Lesanne"


    <[email hidden]>

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    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>wrote:
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>My average for the week was 160. At least I am fairly sure


    next

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    week
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>will
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>be a loss. My leader at my meeting (where I was at 159.5)


    said

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    that
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>it
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>>is
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>probably not realistic for me to try to get to 155 anyway. I


    put

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    my
    > >>>>>>>>>measurements into a site that Bob Greene has up, and came out
    with
    > >>>>>>>>>"athletic" category at 19. something percent body fat. I am
    going to
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>quit
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>trying to lose more and just concentrate on staying in the


    high

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    one
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    > >>>>>>>>>y Ya as they say here
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    > >>
    >


  14. great clothing NSVs, Lee
    Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Heaven only knows what goes on in my mind, Lee. LOL But whatever it is,


    it so

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    far appears to work for me, and that's what is important. I go up, I come


    down, I

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    hover. I think my body shape is changing again also. I found a pair of


    pants I

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    purchased on sale last month, tucked them into my closet and forgot about


    them.

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    Pulled them out yesterday, tags still on so I know they were unworn ...


    put them

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    on and the dang things are saggy in the behind and waist. <sigh> I'm


    hoping they

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    will shrink in the wash. DANG! I don't think I've ever said that before.


    LOL I

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    also had purchased a stretchy t-shirt for my mom, which was too small for


    her. I

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    got lazy and never returned it, so figured I would go ahead and wear it.


    It's a

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    cheapie from Wal-Mart, misses size Large, which is what I usually reach


    for

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    because of my danged shoulders. Threw the thing on this morning and it's


    huge.

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    Oh well, I'm wearing it anyway.

    Joyce

    On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:01:37 -0600, "Miss Violette"


    <[email hidden]>

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    happy anniversary!!! Maybe going into game mode with yourself is how you maintain? Lee Joyce
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    I know we've talked the numbers thing before, and I know that there


    really

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    isn't a

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    firm number out there for maintaining. It changes constantly due to


    many

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    factors.

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    Yet I still want that firm number! I would feel better with it! Guess


    that's

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    what I meant by *playing*. I seem to change that target number week by


    week,

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    results don't appear to change at all. Guess that is a good thing?

    A year ago, on the button, I was 151.5 - just above my goal (which I


    reached the

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    following week). Geeeesh, next week will be my 1 year at ww goal


    anniversary!

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    I've lost 20 pounds since then, but yes - overall I have been very


    steady.

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    I just

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    realized I need to do some major update work on my weightloss chart -


    hasn't been

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    updated since the end of may last year! But I do know that it fell by


    the

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    wayside

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    because I was staying on the right path ... seesawing here and there,


    but

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    overall

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    ... steady.

    You're right, as always. I am maintaining ... very happily.

    Joyce

    On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:55:30 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>


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    >No you are not. You ARE MAINTAINING. Where were you a year ago? Where now? And where in
    >between? You lost a bit below but have been pretty steady, no?
    >
    >On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:33:34 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>That's pretty much exactly what I said when I stepped on the scale


    ...

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    go figure!

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    >>I ate more this last week, exercised less, stayed away from the


    scale.

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    I also did

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    >>away with the flexpoints way of journalling, and went back 100% to


    the

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    old ww plan

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    >>... upped my daily point range and banked/reversed banked away. It


    makes no

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    >>sense to me at all. It could very well be just a shift in water


    weight.

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    It does

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    >>confuse me though as to how the heck I find a firm number where I can


    maintain.

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    >><sigh> Close to a year into the maintainence game and I'm still


    playing

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    with

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    >>numbers.
    >>
    >>Joyce
    >>
    >>On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:30:28 -0500, Connie


    <walshclan@nospam_primus.ca>

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    >>
    >>>I love it ... an all-time low and she wasn't even trying... ain't


    that

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    >>>the way life goes.
    >>>
    >>>Connie
    >>>
    >>>Joyce wrote:
    >>>> Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized


    spare tires too.

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    >>>> <G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had


    something to do

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    >>>> with the measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week


    and

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    the

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    into

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    the fit

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    >>>> range, 1% away from the athletic ... which I don't buy either (the


    athletic part).

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    >>>> I think nothing is gonna please me. <G>
    >>>>
    >>>> On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very


    interesting

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    tomorrow. I

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    >>>> have avoided the scale the entire week, just not in the mood to


    face

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    the music, so

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    >>>> to speak - also hasn't been forefront on my mind. Hiked down


    there

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    Wednesday

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    >>>> morning, stepped up, stepped off. Slid the bar thing down to zero


    to

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    make sure it

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    >>>> was still well calibrated, thinking the boys must have moved it


    around when moving

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    >>>> things in the basement. Nope, was still where it should be.


    Stepped

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    >>>> same reading ... a new all time low for me - at least all time low


    since I was ill

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    >>>> in the early '80's. And this after finally making that decision


    to

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    stick with 130

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    >>>> for maintanence. We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games


    with

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    me.

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    >>>>
    >>>> Joyce
    >>>>
    >>>> On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:52:55 -0800, Fred


    <[email hidden]>

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    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with


    undersized

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    >>>>>sparetires, you'd think us guys would be able to have undersized


    spare

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    >>>>>tires, too! (G)
    >>>>>
    >>>>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me


    ...

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    maybe my brain

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    >>>>>>is just tired today. This method definitely does seem to favor


    those women with

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    >>>>>>distinctive waists ... not those that have little to no


    waistline.

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    But I do know

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    >>>>>>my own flaws and I can't argue that. I also know I'm never gonna


    have a tiny

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    >>>>>>waistline - never have so why would I think I would down the


    road?

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    I'm also

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    >>>>>>interested to see what next week's measurements will be ... after


    TOM .. if any

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    >>>>>>difference at all. LOL Us women sure have a lot of baggage to


    deal

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    with.

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    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Joyce
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:12:10 GMT, "Lesanne"


    <[email hidden]>

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    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Well if you Were M, then that would be a very small WAIST


    measurement that

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    >>>>>>>you had there. This thing is using that tool the docs' came up


    with a

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    cardiac

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    risk

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    >>>>>>>factors? The ole apple shaped thing? I am going to go see what


    I

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    come out

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    >>>>>>>with if I go minimal...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Now this I find really bizarre. I enter the exact same stats


    but

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    use

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>minimal for
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    that

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>thing and
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>get slammed with 25.3%. Why the huge difference? I know women


    carry more

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>natural
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>fatty tissue, but c'mon - I find it pretty dang hard to believe


    there is

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>THAT much
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>of a difference. And what if you fall somewhere in between?


    Like

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    I swear

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>I was
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>supposed to be born a male, but came out a female ... super


    wide

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>shoulders, monkey
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>arms (really need more of a mens sizing shirts as womens are


    too

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    short in

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>length
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>and sleeve length, and too narrow in the shoulders). And vice


    versa ... I

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>know a
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>few men whose bone/body structure is actually more feminine


    than

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    my own.

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>><G>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>I have what I think of as a normal wrist measurement, but


    according to

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>charts it
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>puts me right on the edge of medium/large framed (6.5 inches) -


    and my

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>wrist bone
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>really sticks out! I also seem to be blessed with those longer


    hands -

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    >>>>>>>probably
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>not as long as yours, but not near as tiny as my *petite*


    daughter

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    ... who

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>happens
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>to be only 1 inch shorter than me. So where do those of us


    *tweeners*

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    >>>>>>>fall? Or
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>is this just another one of those *take your best guess* type


    of

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    things?

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    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>One of these days I am going to get out and buy those weights,


    just have

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>some
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>other [censored] to straighten out first. I do have quite a bit of


    muscle,

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>always have,
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>probably always will ... just not as much as I'd like. <G> I


    think I need

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>to
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>build the muscles in the stomach area - everything else is


    doin'

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    pretty

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>well. <G>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>And yikes ... if I lose more in any area - will it mean going


    down

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    to even

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>smaller
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>sizes? I'm in some 6's, some 8's ... depending ... pants


    already - and

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>those 6's
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>tend to be pretty hard to find.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>I have no idea as to what calorie count I should be consuming -


    think my

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>daily
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>trends tend to flucuate way too much right now to even try and


    figure it

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>out. I
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>may just have to take a stab at the program you like ... is


    always

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    fun to

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    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>play
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>with new things. <G>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Joyce
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:03 GMT, "Lesanne"


    <[email hidden]>

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    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Thanks Joyce. I know muscle weighs. And Burns calories. I


    have

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    slender

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    >>>>>>>>>"bones" but long ones? My hands are larger than almost any


    woman

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    those will

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    >>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:24:42 GMT, "Lesanne"


    <[email hidden]>

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    next week

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  15. The days do sometimes last a great deal less than 24 hours but this week I am actually behind, at
    this writing I have eaten very little on Tuesday's journal, I still have 13 points left and wed. is
    the last day of my week. I have 32 flex points left. This has been a stressful week. My aunt has
    been diagnosed with a fast growing form of cancer and helping my mom deal with this has caused me
    some difficulty as not only am I helping her I am thinking about my own sister. I have decided that
    I will eat something point dense to at least get to the weekly min. I already think that not eating
    is going to cause me a disappointment at the scale. The sleep is a family thing, my grandfather,
    mother, a brother and his daughter all sleep the same. I don't need much more than four if I am not
    ill. My mother sleeps about like I do and she still works full time as an EMT at the age of
    65. Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Your sleep schedule (or lack of) sounds much like mine. I'm up between


    66:30 and 7

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    in the morning, hit bed between 3 and 4 - long stretch in between.


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    knock out on the couch in the evening, sometimes I don't. I still figure


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    from the time I get up until the time I go to bed. When I get up the new


    day, and

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    new journal, begin ... period. If I ended the day when I ran out of


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    would have some days that only had 12 hours or less in them ... and also


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    have some days that never ended. LOL! Again, it's all in finding what


    works for

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    US.

    Joyce

    On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:07:42 -0600, "Miss Violette"


    <[email hidden]>

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    This is exactly why I love WW. The flex does work better for me but I


    have

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    had an ongoing problem with the concept of a "day" due to the way we work and the stuff going
    on if I picked a specific 24 hours I would just be screwed, I can go for a long time awake
    then sleep for my big sleep time four hours and go again for another twenty so I decided that
    since I eat


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    least every two hours when I can and I eat just a few points at a time,


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    hours. Three hours is one more than I like to go without eating and


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    the amount of time I sleep on average. Since I have done this I have had


    no

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    trouble at all sticking to points. Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Ahhhhhhh, the journal was a tough one. I used the online journal and


    set

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    my target

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    point at the highest number in my point range ... then totally ignored


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    flexpoint number. In the notes section I set up a list for activity


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    banked or overage food points, and one more for a daily log of where I


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    for the

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    week ... over or under points. It worked fantastically! I had to


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    out the numbers, but it wasn't difficult at all. And it really does


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    much

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    Joyce

    On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:38:38 -0600, "Miss Violette"


    <[email hidden]>

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    wrote:

    >What did you settle on for a journal then? Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >> That's pretty much exactly what I said when I stepped on the scale


    ...

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    go

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    >figure!
    >> I ate more this last week, exercised less, stayed away from the


    scale.

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    I

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    >> away with the flexpoints way of journalling, and went back 100% to


    the

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    old

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    >ww plan
    >> ... upped my daily point range and banked/reversed banked away.


    It

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    >makes no
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    weight.

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    >maintain.
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    >>
    >> Joyce
    >>
    >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:30:28 -0500, Connie


    <walshclan@nospam_primus.ca>

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    >wrote:
    >>
    >> >I love it ... an all-time low and she wasn't even trying... ain't


    that

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    >> >the way life goes.
    >> >
    >> >Connie
    >> >
    >> >Joyce wrote:
    >> >> Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized


    spare

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    >tires too.
    >> >> <G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had
    >something to do
    >> >> with the measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week


    and

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    the

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    >> >> measurement changed by more than a full inch ... thus moving me


    into

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    >the fit
    >> >> range, 1% away from the athletic ... which I don't buy either


    (the

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    >> >> I think nothing is gonna please me. <G>
    >> >>
    >> >> On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very


    interesting

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    >tomorrow. I
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    face

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    >the music, so
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    there

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    >Wednesday
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    to

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    around

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    >when moving
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    >> >> same reading ... a new all time low for me - at least all time


    low

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    >since I was ill
    >> >> in the early '80's. And this after finally making that decision


    to

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    >stick with 130
    >> >> for maintanence. We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games


    with

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    >> >>
    >> >> Joyce
    >> >>
    >> >> On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:52:55 -0800, Fred


    <[email hidden]>

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    >wrote:
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    >> >>
    >> >>>Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with


    undersized

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    >> >>>sparetires, you'd think us guys would be able to have undersized


    spare

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    >> >>>tires, too! (G)
    >> >>>
    >> >>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> >>>
    >> >>>
    >> >>>>I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me


    ...

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    >maybe my brain
    >> >>>>is just tired today. This method definitely does seem to favor


    those

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    waistline.

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    gonna

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    after

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    TOM

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    >.. if any
    >> >>>>difference at all. LOL Us women sure have a lot of baggage to


    deal

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    >with.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>Joyce
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:12:10 GMT, "Lesanne"


    <[email hidden]>

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    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>>Well if you Were M, then that would be a very small WAIST


    measurement

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    >that
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    with

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    >a
    >> >>>>>couple of years ago using the waist measurement to figure


    cardiac

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    >risk
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    what I

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    >come out
    >> >>>>>with if I go minimal...
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> >>>>>"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>Now this I find really bizarre. I enter the exact same stats


    but

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    that

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    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>thing and
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    >> >>>>>>get slammed with 25.3%. Why the huge difference? I know


    women

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    >carry more
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    >> >>>>>natural
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    >> >>>>>>fatty tissue, but c'mon - I find it pretty dang hard to


    believe

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    >> >>>>>I was
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>supposed to be born a male, but came out a female ... super


    wide

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    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>shoulders, monkey
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    too

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    versa

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    than

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    my

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    >own.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>><G>
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>I have what I think of as a normal wrist measurement, but


    according

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    >> >>>>>charts it
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    >> >>>>>>puts me right on the edge of medium/large framed (6.5


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    >> >>>>>wrist bone
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>really sticks out! I also seem to be blessed with those


    longer

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    >hands -
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    >> >>>>>probably
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>not as long as yours, but not near as tiny as my *petite*


    daughter

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    >... who
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>happens
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>to be only 1 inch shorter than me. So where do those of us
    >*tweeners*
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>fall? Or
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>is this just another one of those *take your best guess* type


    of

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    >> >>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>One of these days I am going to get out and buy those weights,


    just

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    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>some
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>other [censored] to straighten out first. I do have quite a bit of
    >muscle,
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>always have,
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>probably always will ... just not as much as I'd like. <G> I


    think

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    >> >>>>>to
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    >> >>>>>>build the muscles in the stomach area - everything else is


    doin'

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    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>And yikes ... if I lose more in any area - will it mean going


    down

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    >> >>>>>smaller
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    already -

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    >> >>>>>those 6's
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>tend to be pretty hard to find.
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    >> >>>>>>I have no idea as to what calorie count I should be


    consuming -

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    >think my
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    >> >>>>>daily
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>trends tend to flucuate way too much right now to even try and
    >figure it
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>out. I
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    >> >>>>>>may just have to take a stab at the program you like ... is


    always

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    >fun to
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    >> >>>>>play
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    >> >>>>>>with new things. <G>
    >> >>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>Joyce
    >> >>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:03 GMT, "Lesanne"


    <[email hidden]>

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    >> >>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>Thanks Joyce. I know muscle weighs. And Burns calories. I


    have

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    woman I

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    of

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    the

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    into

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    >the
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    either.

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    I

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    >am
    >> >>>>>>>religiously logging every bite right now into diet power to


    see

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    >what my
    >> >>>>>>>metabolic rate is, and at this moment it is telling me I am


    burning

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    >2300
    >> >>>>>>>calories a day. I expect that to come down some when I stay


    at

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    a

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    >> >>>>>>>weight for a couple of weeks. I don't even Want to eat that


    much.

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    >> >>>>>>>reacting right now to me losing from that evil one six place.
    >> >>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>I think you are at a great weight, now build some muscles and


    those

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    >will
    >> >>>>>>>burn off any tummy fat that is hanging around ๐Ÿ™‚. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    >> >>>>>>>message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> >>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>Wow Lesanne, sometimes those other indicators tell us much


    more

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    >> >>>>>just
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>the
    >> >>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>number seen on the scale. Being considered *athletic* is
    >wonderful! I
    >> >>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>checked
    >> >>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>the website out, found out I am *acceptable* according to


    his

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    >little
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    >> >>>>>quiz.
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    >> >>>>>>>I'm
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    >> >>>>>>>>not sure if there would be any difference in the reading


    since

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    it

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    >> >>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>currently is TOM
    >> >>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>(ugh!) and chinese dinner last night. <G> Regardless, there


    was

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    >> >>>>>something
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>else
    >> >>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>there that opened my eyes up a bit more ... acceptable


    weight

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    ...

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    >> >>>>>129-158.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>So why
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    >> >>>>>>>>should I keep hoping for 125? Like you, I think I'm going


    to

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    quit

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    >> >>>>>>>>the possibility of seeing the 120's again and work on


    staying

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    in

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    >> >>>>>low
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    >> >>>>>>>>130's. And work on that body fat that just won't go away.


    <G>

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    >> >>>>>>>>Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long


    way!!!

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    >> >>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>Joyce
    >> >>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:24:42 GMT, "Lesanne"


    <[email hidden]>

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    >> >>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>wrote:
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>My average for the week was 160. At least I am fairly sure


    next

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    >> >>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>will
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    >> >>>>>>>>>be a loss. My leader at my meeting (where I was at 159.5)


    said

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    >that
    >> >>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>it
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>is
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    >> >>>>>>>>>probably not realistic for me to try to get to 155 anyway.


    I

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    >my
    >> >>>>>>>>>measurements into a site that Bob Greene has up, and came


    out

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >with
    >> >>>>>>>>>"athletic" category at 19. something percent body fat. I


    am

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >going to
    >> >>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>quit
    >> >>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>trying to lose more and just concentrate on staying in the


    high

    Quoted message said:

    >one
    >> >>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>fifties,
    >> >>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>y Ya as they say here
    >> >>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>
    >> >>
    >>
    >

  16. Oh, I've had some remarkable outdoor potties! (G) Not much more will be said. The less campers, the
    more for me! (G)

    Joyce said:

    Ummmmmmm, trekking away in sticky snow flurries and fog is not MY idea of fun. Glad you enjoyed it
    though. <G> I have no good advise to offer you in how to determine those activity points. I know in
    the past we discussed listening to our bodies, refeed/refuel as we feel the necessity. But
    sometimes that is just plain old tricky - such as what I've gone through this past week. I've been
    constantly hungry - and real hunger, not bored hunger. I know it isn't from over exertion by any
    means. Does our body just get into occassional cycles where it demands more food? Or are those old
    demons trying hard to come out? Or could the body also be trying to make up for weeks prior when we
    didn't give it enough? I haven't quite figured any of this out, and have a feeling I never will.

    Well, I have no mountains anywhere near me to look at ... and I can go in my backyard and look at
    the stars. I'll also admit to being able to forego the hot water and shower daily, but it's still
    nice to have access to it when the need or desire arises ... as well as an indoor potty (which I do
    need on a daily basis). You aren't going to talk me into camping. <G>

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    I am beginning to think that I am not earning as many points for my exercise as I use to. It
    makes sense but I don't like the idea - how the heck will I earn my DESSERT points. Today's ski
    trip just did not seem like enough points. Oh, it was a hell of trip. Sticky snow dragging on
    the bottoms of my skis and it snow flurried the entire time while foggy. Gee, doesn't it sound
    like fun (G)

    I am doing sushi tonight - forced good food and narrow points.

    Camping is generally terrific although there have been days or nights that were less so. I just
    love looking up at the stars and being in the clean mountains altho, there have been days when
    the amount of work was extraordinary. Should I admit I can do without the hot water and shower
    every day (g)

    Joyce said:

    HA! I was thinking the same thoughts on Friday when I hit the scales. Not trying to lose, but
    still happy to see the numbers down ... then eat more and make up for it after weighin ... only
    to cut back down the following days/week to make sure everything is back where it is supposed to
    be. Is it us playing games with our minds, or our minds playing games with us, or is there any
    difference between the two? <G> I THINK I have finally realized that I am where I should be. It
    APPEARS to be not overly difficult to maintain. Yes, I have to pay attention - but it is doable.
    I think I'm thwarting this week. <G>

    I've never been into camping, sad to say. My idea of camping is a hotel room somewhere, with a
    nice bed and warm, running water. On the rare occassion that I get a vacation, I'm taking one ...
    not working harder than I already do at home!
    <G> Hub never got into it either, tells the kids he had his fill of camping in Viet Nam.

    Joyce

    On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:53:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >You do realize that we are all playing at this like we are trying to still lose but also NOT
    >lose while maybe losing is okay but not a good idea which we then thwart again the next week,
    >etc, etc and who knows what (G)
    >
    >Ah, camping - almost getting to be time for that again - in JULY~! (G) Actually, a Hells Canyon
    >trip may be in the offing in a month or so. Then again, may save the vacation for other things.
    >
    >On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:23:39 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>Well, they weren't nearly as exciting as the unofficial results. Up a pound from what it was on
    >>Wednesday - wouldn't ya just know it. <sigh> Since I only weighed myself twice in the week ...
    >>on wednesday and on friday ... I decided to not use the average, just went with the actual
    >>reading of 129.5 ... one tenth of a pound higher than my all-time low since joining ww (which I
    >>hit sometime in december). But it's still well within my maintainence game plan, so I am a
    >>happy camper.
    >>
    >>Joyce started ww 2/5/02 ---> 228.8/129.5/150ww goal/140ish personal goal WW GOAL!!! 2/21/03 ---
    >>> LIFETIME 4/4/03 PERSONAL GOAL: 5/16/03
    >>
    >>On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:41:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Well, I await the OFFICIAL results
    >>>
    >>>On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:25:14 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized spare tires too.
    >>>><G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had something to do with the
    >>>> measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week and the measurement changed by
    >>>> more than a full inch ... thus moving me into the fit range, 1% away from the athletic
    >>>> ... which I don't buy either (the athletic part). I think nothing is gonna please me.
    >>>> <G>
    >>>>
    >>>>On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very interesting tomorrow. I have avoided
    >>>>the scale the entire week, just not in the mood to face the music, so to speak - also hasn't
    >>>>been forefront on my mind. Hiked down there Wednesday morning, stepped up, stepped off. Slid
    >>>>the bar thing down to zero to make sure it was still well calibrated, thinking the boys must
    >>>>have moved it around when moving things in the basement. Nope, was still where it should be.
    >>>>Stepped back up, same reading ... a new all time low for me - at least all time low since I
    >>>>was ill in the early '80's. And this after finally making that decision to stick with 130 for
    >>>>maintanence. We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games with me.
    >>>>
    >>>>Joyce
    >>>>
    >>>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:52:55 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with undersized sparetires, you'd
    >>>>>think us guys would be able to have undersized spare tires, too! (G)
    >>>>>
    >>>>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me ... maybe my brain is just
    >>>>>>tired today. This method definitely does seem to favor those women with distinctive waists
    >>>>>>... not those that have little to no waistline. But I do know my own flaws and I can't
    >>>>>>argue that. I also know I'm never gonna have a tiny waistline - never have so why would I
    >>>>>>think I would down the road? I'm also interested to see what next week's measurements will
    >>>>>>be ... after TOM .. if any difference at all. LOL Us women sure have a lot of baggage to
    >>>>>>deal with.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Joyce
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:12:10 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Well if you Were M, then that would be a very small WAIST measurement that you had there.
    >>>>>>>This thing is using that tool the docs' came up with a couple of years ago using the waist
    >>>>>>>measurement to figure cardiac risk factors? The ole apple shaped thing? I am going to go
    >>>>>>>see what I come out with if I go minimal...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>>> Now this I find really bizarre. I enter the exact same stats but use
    >>>>>>>minimal for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>>>>thing and
    >>>>>>>> get slammed with 25.3%. Why the huge difference? I know women carry more
    >>>>>>>natural
    >>>>>>>> fatty tissue, but c'mon - I find it pretty dang hard to believe there is
    >>>>>>>THAT much
    >>>>>>>> of a difference. And what if you fall somewhere in between? Like I swear
    >>>>>>>I was
    >>>>>>>> supposed to be born a male, but came out a female ... super wide
    >>>>>>>shoulders, monkey
    >>>>>>>> arms (really need more of a mens sizing shirts as womens are too short in
    >>>>>>>length
    >>>>>>>> and sleeve length, and too narrow in the shoulders). And vice versa ... I
    >>>>>>>know a
    >>>>>>>> few men whose bone/body structure is actually more feminine than my own.
    >>>>>>><G>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I have what I think of as a normal wrist measurement, but according to
    >>>>>>>charts it
    >>>>>>>> puts me right on the edge of medium/large framed (6.5 inches) - and my
    >>>>>>>wrist bone
    >>>>>>>> really sticks out! I also seem to be blessed with those longer hands -
    >>>>>>>probably
    >>>>>>>> not as long as yours, but not near as tiny as my *petite* daughter ... who
    >>>>>>>happens
    >>>>>>>> to be only 1 inch shorter than me. So where do those of us *tweeners*
    >>>>>>>fall? Or
    >>>>>>>> is this just another one of those *take your best guess* type of things?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> One of these days I am going to get out and buy those weights, just have
    >>>>>>>some
    >>>>>>>> other [censored] to straighten out first. I do have quite a bit of muscle,
    >>>>>>>always have,
    >>>>>>>> probably always will ... just not as much as I'd like. <G> I think I need
    >>>>>>>to
    >>>>>>>> build the muscles in the stomach area - everything else is doin' pretty
    >>>>>>>well. <G>
    >>>>>>>> And yikes ... if I lose more in any area - will it mean going down to even
    >>>>>>>smaller
    >>>>>>>> sizes? I'm in some 6's, some 8's ... depending ... pants already - and
    >>>>>>>those 6's
    >>>>>>>> tend to be pretty hard to find.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I have no idea as to what calorie count I should be consuming - think my
    >>>>>>>daily
    >>>>>>>> trends tend to flucuate way too much right now to even try and figure it
    >>>>>>>out. I
    >>>>>>>> may just have to take a stab at the program you like ... is always fun to
    >>>>>>>play
    >>>>>>>> with new things. <G>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Joyce
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:03 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> >Thanks Joyce. I know muscle weighs. And Burns calories. I have slender "bones" but long
    >>>>>>>> >ones? My hands are larger than almost any woman I know, but I have a tiny wrist
    >>>>>>>> >measurement. It is hard to use many of the indicators of frame size. And taller women
    >>>>>>>> >don't fit right into the recommended averages as far as calorie consumption goes
    >>>>>>>> >either. I am religiously logging every bite right now into diet power to see what my
    >>>>>>>> >metabolic rate is, and at this moment it is telling me I am burning 2300 calories a
    >>>>>>>> >day. I expect that to come down some when I stay at a stable weight for a couple of
    >>>>>>>> >weeks. I don't even Want to eat that much. It is reacting right now to me losing from
    >>>>>>>> >that evil one six place.
    >>>>>>>> >
    >>>>>>>> >I think you are at a great weight, now build some muscles and those will burn off any
    >>>>>>>> >tummy fat that is hanging around ๐Ÿ™‚. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>>> >> Wow Lesanne, sometimes those other indicators tell us much more than
    >>>>>>>just
    >>>>>>>> >the
    >>>>>>>> >> number seen on the scale. Being considered *athletic* is wonderful! I
    >>>>>>>> >checked
    >>>>>>>> >> the website out, found out I am *acceptable* according to his little
    >>>>>>>quiz.
    >>>>>>>> >I'm
    >>>>>>>> >> not sure if there would be any difference in the reading since it
    >>>>>>>> >currently is TOM
    >>>>>>>> >> (ugh!) and chinese dinner last night. <G> Regardless, there was
    >>>>>>>something
    >>>>>>>> >else
    >>>>>>>> >> there that opened my eyes up a bit more ... acceptable weight ...
    >>>>>>>129-158.
    >>>>>>>> >So why
    >>>>>>>> >> should I keep hoping for 125? Like you, I think I'm going to quit
    >>>>>>>> >worrying about
    >>>>>>>> >> the possibility of seeing the 120's again and work on staying in the
    >>>>>>>low
    >>>>>>>> >to mid
    >>>>>>>> >> 130's. And work on that body fat that just won't go away. <G>
    >>>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>>> >> Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long way!!!
    >>>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>>> >> Joyce
    >>>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:24:42 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >>>>>>>wrote:
    >>>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>>> >> >My average for the week was 160. At least I am fairly sure next week
    >>>>>>>> >will
    >>>>>>>> >> >be a loss. My leader at my meeting (where I was at 159.5) said that
    >>>>>>>it
    >>>>>>>> >is
    >>>>>>>> >> >probably not realistic for me to try to get to 155 anyway. I put my measurements
    >>>>>>>> >> >into a site that Bob Greene has up, and came out with "athletic" category at 19.
    >>>>>>>> >> >something percent body fat. I am going to
    >>>>>>>> >quit
    >>>>>>>> >> >trying to lose more and just concentrate on staying in the high one
    >>>>>>>> >fifties,
    >>>>>>>> >> >y Ya as they say here
    >>>>>>>> >> >
    >>>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>>> >
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>

  17. NO, NOT MORE THAN ONE WEEK!!! Yikes - I may just make it today or not???

    Joyce said:

    I wish I could say I made it through the entire weightloss process with no gains, but I can't.
    There were several blips throughout the year, gains, maintains, whooshes ... all in all the end
    result did turn out the same. I do understand what you're saying though. That first gain was very
    traumatic. After that they kind of came in stride and now they don't bug me in the least ... unless
    they occur for more than one week.

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    Amen, sister. It does mess with me, for sure.

    And I am one of the individuals who lost each and every weigh in until I reached Lifetime. So that
    first gain was a real downer. Each one since has been less apocolyptic but that, too, is scary
    since you also don't want to turn a blind eye to gains.

    Joyce said:

    Maybe that's where we have a tougher time settling into just being happy maintaining? That reward
    thing! Somehow just staying the same, floating up and down a bit, just isn't the same as that
    steady weekly decline ... even when we know we should be (and are) thrilled with it. Mentally, it
    really does mess with you.

    Joyce

    On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:57:36 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >I don't think seeing 140 for me is in the cards which may be why trying to get lower without a
    >SOLID goal does not work. Accepting a half decade is probably just not magical enough. And you
    >have pointed out the one real issue - the rewards for Maintenance have to be just maintaining.
    >Hover. Up. Hover. Down. Hover, Hover, waffle, wiffle.... Oh, and the thrill of still seeing
    >myself in a new light - it is still terrific but so UNconcrete.
    >
    >On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:15:03 -0600, Prairie Roots <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>Even as a lifetimer, seeing a new decade lower on the scale must still be a thrill. Congrats! I
    >>love reading your stats, especially as I'm getting closer to my WW goal and beginning to
    >>entertain thoughts about my personal goal. Thanks so much for sticking around and sharing your
    >>experience.
    >>
    >>Prairie Roots On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:23:39 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Well, they weren't nearly as exciting as the unofficial results. Up a pound from what it was
    >>>on Wednesday - wouldn't ya just know it. <sigh> Since I only weighed myself twice in the week
    >>>... on wednesday and on friday ... I decided to not use the average, just went with the actual
    >>>reading of 129.5 ... one tenth of a pound higher than my all-time low since joining ww (which
    >>>I hit sometime in december). But it's still well within my maintainence game plan, so I am a
    >>>happy camper.
    >>>
    >>>Joyce started ww 2/5/02 ---> 228.8/129.5/150ww goal/140ish personal goal WW GOAL!!! 2/21/03
    >>>---> LIFETIME 4/4/03 PERSONAL GOAL: 5/16/03
    >>>
    >>>On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:41:31 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Well, I await the OFFICIAL results
    >>>>
    >>>>On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:25:14 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized spare tires too.
    >>>>><G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had something to do with the
    >>>>> measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week and the measurement changed by
    >>>>> more than a full inch ... thus moving me into the fit range, 1% away from the athletic
    >>>>> ... which I don't buy either (the athletic part). I think nothing is gonna please me.
    >>>>> <G>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very interesting tomorrow. I have
    >>>>>avoided the scale the entire week, just not in the mood to face the music, so to speak -
    >>>>>also hasn't been forefront on my mind. Hiked down there Wednesday morning, stepped up,
    >>>>>stepped off. Slid the bar thing down to zero to make sure it was still well calibrated,
    >>>>>thinking the boys must have moved it around when moving things in the basement. Nope, was
    >>>>>still where it should be. Stepped back up, same reading ... a new all time low for me - at
    >>>>>least all time low since I was ill in the early '80's. And this after finally making that
    >>>>>decision to stick with 130 for maintanence. We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games
    >>>>>with me.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Joyce
    >>>>>
    >>>>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:52:55 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with undersized sparetires, you'd
    >>>>>>think us guys would be able to have undersized spare tires, too! (G)
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:45:38 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me ... maybe my brain is just
    >>>>>>>tired today. This method definitely does seem to favor those women with distinctive waists
    >>>>>>>... not those that have little to no waistline. But I do know my own flaws and I can't
    >>>>>>>argue that. I also know I'm never gonna have a tiny waistline - never have so why would I
    >>>>>>>think I would down the road? I'm also interested to see what next week's measurements will
    >>>>>>>be ... after TOM .. if any difference at all. LOL Us women sure have a lot of baggage to
    >>>>>>>deal with.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Joyce
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:12:10 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Well if you Were M, then that would be a very small WAIST measurement that you had there.
    >>>>>>>>This thing is using that tool the docs' came up with a couple of years ago using the
    >>>>>>>>waist measurement to figure cardiac risk factors? The ole apple shaped thing? I am going
    >>>>>>>>to go see what I come out with if I go minimal...
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>>>> Now this I find really bizarre. I enter the exact same stats but use
    >>>>>>>>minimal for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>>>>>thing and
    >>>>>>>>> get slammed with 25.3%. Why the huge difference? I know women carry more
    >>>>>>>>natural
    >>>>>>>>> fatty tissue, but c'mon - I find it pretty dang hard to believe there is
    >>>>>>>>THAT much
    >>>>>>>>> of a difference. And what if you fall somewhere in between? Like I swear
    >>>>>>>>I was
    >>>>>>>>> supposed to be born a male, but came out a female ... super wide
    >>>>>>>>shoulders, monkey
    >>>>>>>>> arms (really need more of a mens sizing shirts as womens are too short in
    >>>>>>>>length
    >>>>>>>>> and sleeve length, and too narrow in the shoulders). And vice versa ... I
    >>>>>>>>know a
    >>>>>>>>> few men whose bone/body structure is actually more feminine than my own.
    >>>>>>>><G>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> I have what I think of as a normal wrist measurement, but according to
    >>>>>>>>charts it
    >>>>>>>>> puts me right on the edge of medium/large framed (6.5 inches) - and my
    >>>>>>>>wrist bone
    >>>>>>>>> really sticks out! I also seem to be blessed with those longer hands -
    >>>>>>>>probably
    >>>>>>>>> not as long as yours, but not near as tiny as my *petite* daughter ... who
    >>>>>>>>happens
    >>>>>>>>> to be only 1 inch shorter than me. So where do those of us *tweeners*
    >>>>>>>>fall? Or
    >>>>>>>>> is this just another one of those *take your best guess* type of things?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> One of these days I am going to get out and buy those weights, just have
    >>>>>>>>some
    >>>>>>>>> other [censored] to straighten out first. I do have quite a bit of muscle,
    >>>>>>>>always have,
    >>>>>>>>> probably always will ... just not as much as I'd like. <G> I think I need
    >>>>>>>>to
    >>>>>>>>> build the muscles in the stomach area - everything else is doin' pretty
    >>>>>>>>well. <G>
    >>>>>>>>> And yikes ... if I lose more in any area - will it mean going down to even
    >>>>>>>>smaller
    >>>>>>>>> sizes? I'm in some 6's, some 8's ... depending ... pants already - and
    >>>>>>>>those 6's
    >>>>>>>>> tend to be pretty hard to find.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> I have no idea as to what calorie count I should be consuming - think my
    >>>>>>>>daily
    >>>>>>>>> trends tend to flucuate way too much right now to even try and figure it
    >>>>>>>>out. I
    >>>>>>>>> may just have to take a stab at the program you like ... is always fun to
    >>>>>>>>play
    >>>>>>>>> with new things. <G>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Joyce
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:03 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> >Thanks Joyce. I know muscle weighs. And Burns calories. I have slender "bones" but
    >>>>>>>>> >long ones? My hands are larger than almost any woman I know, but I have a tiny wrist
    >>>>>>>>> >measurement. It is hard to use many of the indicators of frame size. And taller women
    >>>>>>>>> >don't fit right into the recommended averages as far as calorie consumption goes
    >>>>>>>>> >either. I am religiously logging every bite right now into diet power to see what my
    >>>>>>>>> >metabolic rate is, and at this moment it is telling me I am burning 2300 calories a
    >>>>>>>>> >day. I expect that to come down some when I stay at a stable weight for a couple of
    >>>>>>>>> >weeks. I don't even Want to eat that much. It is reacting right now to me losing from
    >>>>>>>>> >that evil one six place.
    >>>>>>>>> >
    >>>>>>>>> >I think you are at a great weight, now build some muscles and those will burn off any
    >>>>>>>>> >tummy fat that is hanging around ๐Ÿ™‚. "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>>>> >> Wow Lesanne, sometimes those other indicators tell us much more than
    >>>>>>>>just
    >>>>>>>>> >the
    >>>>>>>>> >> number seen on the scale. Being considered *athletic* is wonderful! I
    >>>>>>>>> >checked
    >>>>>>>>> >> the website out, found out I am *acceptable* according to his little
    >>>>>>>>quiz.
    >>>>>>>>> >I'm
    >>>>>>>>> >> not sure if there would be any difference in the reading since it
    >>>>>>>>> >currently is TOM
    >>>>>>>>> >> (ugh!) and chinese dinner last night. <G> Regardless, there was
    >>>>>>>>something
    >>>>>>>>> >else
    >>>>>>>>> >> there that opened my eyes up a bit more ... acceptable weight ...
    >>>>>>>>129-158.
    >>>>>>>>> >So why
    >>>>>>>>> >> should I keep hoping for 125? Like you, I think I'm going to quit
    >>>>>>>>> >worrying about
    >>>>>>>>> >> the possibility of seeing the 120's again and work on staying in the
    >>>>>>>>low
    >>>>>>>>> >to mid
    >>>>>>>>> >> 130's. And work on that body fat that just won't go away. <G>
    >>>>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>>>> >> Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long way!!!
    >>>>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>>>> >> Joyce
    >>>>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:24:42 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>
    >>>>>>>>wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>>>> >> >My average for the week was 160. At least I am fairly sure next week
    >>>>>>>>> >will
    >>>>>>>>> >> >be a loss. My leader at my meeting (where I was at 159.5) said that
    >>>>>>>>it
    >>>>>>>>> >is
    >>>>>>>>> >> >probably not realistic for me to try to get to 155 anyway. I put my measurements
    >>>>>>>>> >> >into a site that Bob Greene has up, and came out with "athletic" category at 19.
    >>>>>>>>> >> >something percent body fat. I am going to
    >>>>>>>>> >quit
    >>>>>>>>> >> >trying to lose more and just concentrate on staying in the high one
    >>>>>>>>> >fifties,
    >>>>>>>>> >> >y Ya as they say here
    >>>>>>>>> >> >
    >>>>>>>>> >>
    >>>>>>>>> >
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>

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