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  1. On May 5, 2003, I wrote, in article
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Ran the Adidas Vancouver International Marathon on Sunday,
    my first marathon, and my second race. I finished in
    5:05:12. Nothing cramped up, I didn't hit the wall. I just
    ran and ran.

    I ran it again yesterday. This time, I finished in 3:55:53
    (unofficial mat-to-mat time from my chronometer).

    I'm happy that I came in under four hours, but I know I have
    the potential for a better time. Projecting from my 8 mile
    tempo runs, I can probably run in the 3:3x time range now. I
    did a few things wrong in my taper. Two weeks out, I went
    for a hard hike, climbing 2900 feet of elevation over less
    than two miles of trail, not having done that in a good 8
    months. Personal best on that one, 45:xx minutes. But the
    right knee suffered a little. About 11 days out, I went to a
    track, and did hard 400 meter repeats, in the 1:15 to 1:18
    range. I was just going crazy, not knowing what to do with
    myself! Two days after that, I ran a crazy 8 mile tempo run
    like a race, achieving a personal best time of 57:13, which
    is substantially faster than my best 10K race from last
    November! Not only did I pull my right hamstring, but in the
    remaining days to the race, I felt overall tired and run
    down. I went for some easy, slow runs, but they were hard
    anyway. I did an 8 miler some six days out, and then a 9
    miler two days before the race, and an easy 5K run the
    afternoon before: over a mile to the track, an easy four
    laps and then back. The hamstring still hurt a bit.

    The night before the marathon, I loaded up on carbs a little
    bit and had just a light dinner. In the morning, I had three
    coffees and two waffles with jam, that's it. I wanted to
    keep an empty bowel during the race, and just take in the
    pure carbs that absorb in the upper gut and leave next to
    nothing that would, err, stop you in the middle of the race,
    if you know what I mean. 🙂 I mixed up an entire bottle of
    ``power slime'' out of pure maltodextrin powder, some fruit
    and water, and that's what I consumed during the first half
    of the race, thinning it out gradually by adding water to it
    at various stations. I didn't consume any solids at all. No
    energy bars, nothing.

    It was a frantic race for me. I barely even paused at water
    stations. I opened up my bottle ahead of time, and refilled
    as fast as possible, and then hit the road immediately. At
    one point when the temperature rose, I wanted to take off
    my shirt, but I waited to get help with that from a
    supporting friend. I peeled off my shirt, turning it inside
    out, and then kept running while he, running along side me,
    reversed it for me to make the bib visible, so I could tie
    it around my waist.

    I experienced a strange, disturbing dizzy spell for about 20
    or 30 seconds at around only the 8 kilometer. I ran through
    it at a reduced pace and then it went away. I suspect that
    was the effect of the power slime spilling glucose into the
    bloodstream. I mean, I put scoops and scoops of the powder
    into that bottle, enough to give it the consistency of snot;
    just thin enough to still pour out.

    I hit the halfway mark at about 1:50. (I don't have exact
    splits because I accidentally erased them at the finish,
    darn!) I maintained
    3:40 pace until somewhere around 18 miles, when I was
    passed by the
    4:45 bunny. Argh! It must have been a dust bunny because I
    was sure eating her dust. 🙂 Other than the reduced pace,
    the last 8 miles were okay. I readjusted my objectives a
    little bit rather than to try hitting a now impossible
    target, thereby making it even worse. Only the last 4
    miles were a bit hard. I seem to recall that I hit the 22
    mile mark at around 3:13:x, slower than in training. And
    you can see what huge time delta that is to to 3:55:53.
    If I recall that split time right, that's heck of a long
    freaking time to run 4.2 miles, if you can call that
    running. I think it was that climb over a 150 foot tall
    bridge that made it long; at that stage, even a small
    hill slows you down tremendously. Finally, in the very
    last mile, I suffered from a bit of dehydration, or low
    blood sugar or something. My hands and forearms were
    tingling and I felt like lying down. I tried to sprint
    for the finish in the last few hundred meters. I seemed
    to be going way faster than anyone around me; I think I
    passed about four people in the last 100. I was lifting
    those knees, arching that back and pumping those arms
    bent at less than 90 degrees. I could hear crowd members
    cheering me on to keep it up to the finish! There will be
    an MPEG finish cam video mailed to all finishers in about
    a month, so I will get to see what my ``sprint'' *really*
    looked like.

    Past the finish line, I was in bad shape for a few minutes.
    I think I practically collapsed on top of one of the
    volunteers, and I was just groaning for water. But I
    quickly revived myself. I munched on a bagel and some
    yogurt, collected my finisher T-shirt, etc. At one point I
    climbed over a fence to avoid pushing through a crowd of
    people. I sprinted across a parking lot and jumped over a
    concrete barrier. A guy sitting there said ``Try that
    *tomorrow*!'' 🙂

  2. Big Congrats Kaz!!! That is a HUGE time difference. Yep,
    next time don't do all that crazy stuff right before the
    race. Bad. You'll undoubtedly cut your marathon time down
    next time with better planning. When's the next?? ;-)

    Teresa in AZ

    Kaz Kylheku said:

    On May 5, 2003, I wrote, in article
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Ran the Adidas Vancouver International Marathon on Sunday,
    my first marathon, and my second race. I finished in
    5:05:12. Nothing cramped up, I didn't hit the wall. I just
    ran and ran.

    I ran it again yesterday. This time, I finished in 3:55:53
    (unofficial mat-to-mat time from my chronometer).

    Past the finish line, I was in bad shape for a few
    minutes. I think I practically collapsed on top of one of
    the volunteers, and I was just groaning for water. But I
    quickly revived myself. I munched on a bagel and some
    yogurt, collected my finisher T-shirt, etc. At one point I
    climbed over a fence to avoid pushing through a crowd of
    people. I sprinted across a parking lot and jumped over a
    concrete barrier. A guy sitting there said ``Try that
    *tomorrow*!'' 🙂

  3. It was my first marathon too. I finished in 5:08:15. I guess
    thats not bad for someone who could only run 3 miles at a
    time 5 months ago, and had IT band syndrome 2 months ago. Go
    team in training!

  4. Don't tell me you guys fell for this line of BS?

    [email hidden] (Kaz Kylheku) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    On May 5, 2003, I wrote, in article
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Ran the Adidas Vancouver International Marathon on
    Sunday, my first marathon, and my second race. I
    finished in 5:05:12. Nothing cramped up, I didn't hit
    the wall. I just ran and ran.

    I ran it again yesterday. This time, I finished in 3:55:53
    (unofficial mat-to-mat time from my chronometer).

    I'm happy that I came in under four hours, but I know I
    have the potential for a better time. Projecting from my 8
    mile tempo runs, I can probably run in the 3:3x time range
    now. I did a few things wrong in my taper. Two weeks out,
    I went for a hard hike, climbing 2900 feet of elevation
    over less than two miles of trail, not having done that in
    a good 8 months. Personal best on that one, 45:xx minutes.
    But the right knee suffered a little. About 11 days out, I
    went to a track, and did hard 400 meter repeats, in the
    1:15 to 1:18 range. I was just going crazy, not knowing
    what to do with myself! Two days after that, I ran a crazy
    8 mile tempo run like a race, achieving a personal best
    time of 57:13, which is substantially faster than my best
    10K race from last November! Not only did I pull my right
    hamstring, but in the remaining days to the race, I felt
    overall tired and run down. I went for some easy, slow
    runs, but they were hard anyway. I did an 8 miler some six
    days out, and then a 9 miler two days before the race, and
    an easy 5K run the afternoon before: over a mile to the
    track, an easy four laps and then back. The hamstring
    still hurt a bit.

    The night before the marathon, I loaded up on carbs a
    little bit and had just a light dinner. In the morning, I
    had three coffees and two waffles with jam, that's it. I
    wanted to keep an empty bowel during the race, and just
    take in the pure carbs that absorb in the upper gut and
    leave next to nothing that would, err, stop you in the
    middle of the race, if you know what I mean. 🙂 I mixed up
    an entire bottle of ``power slime'' out of pure
    maltodextrin powder, some fruit and water, and that's what
    I consumed during the first half of the race, thinning it
    out gradually by adding water to it at various stations. I
    didn't consume any solids at all. No energy bars, nothing.

    It was a frantic race for me. I barely even paused at
    water stations. I opened up my bottle ahead of time, and
    refilled as fast as possible, and then hit the road
    immediately. At one point when the temperature rose, I
    wanted to take off my shirt, but I waited to get help with
    that from a supporting friend. I peeled off my shirt,
    turning it inside out, and then kept running while he,
    running along side me, reversed it for me to make the bib
    visible, so I could tie it around my waist.

    I experienced a strange, disturbing dizzy spell for
    about 20 or 30 seconds at around only the 8 kilometer. I
    ran through it at a reduced pace and then it went away.
    I suspect that was the effect of the power slime
    spilling glucose into the bloodstream. I mean, I put
    scoops and scoops of the powder into that bottle, enough
    to give it the consistency of snot; just thin enough to
    still pour out.

    I hit the halfway mark at about 1:50. (I don't have exact
    splits because I accidentally erased them at the finish,
    darn!) I maintained
    3:40 pace until somewhere around 18 miles, when I was
    passed by the
    3:45 bunny. Argh! It must have been a dust bunny because I
    was sure eating her dust. 🙂 Other than the reduced
    pace, the last 8 miles were okay. I readjusted my
    objectives a little bit rather than to try hitting a now
    impossible target, thereby making it even worse. Only
    the last 4 miles were a bit hard. I seem to recall that
    I hit the 22 mile mark at around 3:13:x, slower than in
    training. And you can see what huge time delta that is
    to to 3:55:53. If I recall that split time right, that's
    heck of a long freaking time to run 4.2 miles, if you
    can call that running. I think it was that climb over a
    150 foot tall bridge that made it long; at that stage,
    even a small hill slows you down tremendously. Finally,
    in the very last mile, I suffered from a bit of
    dehydration, or low blood sugar or something. My hands
    and forearms were tingling and I felt like lying down. I
    tried to sprint for the finish in the last few hundred
    meters. I seemed to be going way faster than anyone
    around me; I think I passed about four people in the
    last 100. I was lifting those knees, arching that back
    and pumping those arms bent at less than 90 degrees. I
    could hear crowd members cheering me on to keep it up to
    the finish! There will be an MPEG finish cam video
    mailed to all finishers in about a month, so I will get
    to see what my ``sprint'' *really* looked like.

    Past the finish line, I was in bad shape for a few
    minutes. I think I practically collapsed on top of one of
    the volunteers, and I was just groaning for water. But I
    quickly revived myself. I munched on a bagel and some
    yogurt, collected my finisher T-shirt, etc. At one point I
    climbed over a fence to avoid pushing through a crowd of
    people. I sprinted across a parking lot and jumped over a
    concrete barrier. A guy sitting there said ``Try that
    *tomorrow*!'' 🙂

  5. Kaz - congrats on the race and thanks for the
    interesting report.

    Like Tim said, it's worthwhile being careful about what you
    consume on the marathon. The recommended dosage of carbs and
    the strength of the drink.

    Good luck with the running,

    Anthony.

  6. [email hidden] (Kaz Kylheku) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I ran it again yesterday. This time, I finished in 3:55:53
    (unofficial mat-to-mat time from my chronometer).

    One hour off your marathon time is an achievement. End of
    discussion.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm happy that I came in under four hours, but I know I
    have the potential for a better time. Projecting from my
    8 mile tempo runs, I can probably run in the 3:3x time
    range now.

    You may have the potential, but a current 8 mile/10K time
    cannot be used to project what you could do in a marathon
    *now*. What you can project from it is a goal marathon
    time for a future (defined as further away than eight
    weeks) race.

    Then, if you train, taper and prepare properly, do not make
    any stupid things during the race and the gods of running
    are on your side on the day, it´s possible that you´ll
    achieve that projected time. But it could still be that your
    genes and your training in the long term have made you a 10K
    runner rather than a marathoner.

    Quoted message said:

    I did a few things wrong in my taper. Two weeks out, I
    went for a hard hike, climbing 2900 feet of elevation over
    less than two miles of trail, not having done that in a
    good 8 months. Personal best on that one, 45:xx minutes.
    But the right knee suffered a little. About 11 days out, I
    went to a track, and did hard 400 meter repeats, in the
    1:15 to 1:18 range. I was just going crazy, not knowing
    what to do with myself!

    What do you think rec.running is for? If it isn´t (among
    other things) for stopping you from doing crazy things when
    you´re going crazy in the eerie tapering zone, what then?

    You know, you remind me of myself:-) I have a habit of
    incurring nefarious injuries, stepping on rusty nails and
    cancelling my marathon plans at the whimsiest excuse, so
    that I don´t have to risk failing in my expectations - and
    it´s almost as if you rush out to do things that you know
    will hurt your race day performance for a very similar
    reason. But enough of kitchen psychology...

    BTW those 400m repeats are something I couldn´t do. (Not
    that I´d have to: for a sub-3 marathoner 80-81s would be
    about right for repeats.)

    Quoted message said:

    Two days after that, I ran a crazy 8 mile tempo run like a
    race, achieving a personal best time of 57:13, which is
    substantially faster than my best 10K race from last
    November!

    Do you usually do short track repeats and a long temp run
    within three days, and in that order? I´m not sure it´s wise
    for a modest mileage runner - and so close to the marathon
    and in conjunction with the hike...it boggles the mind.

    Quoted message said:

    I went for some easy, slow runs, but they were hard
    anyway. I did an 8 miler some six days out, and then a 9
    miler two days before the race, and an easy 5K run the
    afternoon before: over a mile to the track, an easy four
    laps and then back. The hamstring still hurt a bit.

    You know, your stop watch or your HRM can be used to make
    sure that you don´t run too hard, not only that you run hard
    enough when you have to!

    The 8-miler six days out is okay: you could even have done
    4x1600m at MRT with long (up to equal length) slow jogs (and
    maybe even 4x1000m four days out), but the other runs quite
    probably did nothing but hurt your race - especially since
    your previous week had been crazy.

    You know, I have to both congratulate you _and_ to award you
    the Darwin prize for the most idiotic preparation by an other-
    wise sane guy:-)

    Anders

  7. "Teresa Bippert-Plymate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Big Congrats Kaz!!! That is a HUGE time difference. Yep,
    next time don't do all that crazy stuff right before the
    race. Bad. You'll undoubtedly cut your marathon time down
    next time with better planning.

    In addition to the crazy stuff, I'd say you were lucky not
    to suffer more badly than you did with your power slime
    concoction. If you drink highly concentrated drinks the
    osmotic effect can pull fluid out of your circulation into
    your gut leading to cramps, low blood pressure, dizzyness
    and sometimes collapse. Given time, your fluid balance may
    sort itself out (as it did in your case) but it's risky
    thing to do. Many early marathoners collapsed through
    drinking such concoctions before the importance of
    isotonicity was realised. Now it may be that your slime
    wasn't any more concentrated than your average gel but you
    do need to take adequate fluids with them to avoid problems.

    Anyway, as Teresa says, great improvement! How are the
    legs today?

    Tim

  8. [email hidden] (_!_) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Don't tell me you guys fell for this line of BS?

    Well, there is this:

    adidasvanmarathon.camarathon2004.html

    There is my official finish time, with halfway split too.

    You can believe that I made up the rest of it, if you want;
    I don't care.

  9. A phony website does not help your cause.

    [email hidden] (Kaz Kylheku) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (_!_) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Don't tell me you guys fell for this line of BS?

    Well, there is this:

    adidassvanmarathon.camarathon2004.html

    There is my official finish time, with halfway split too.

    You can believe that I made up the rest of it, if you
    want; I don't care.

  10. Fake websites now? Pleeeeease!

    [email hidden] (Kaz Kylheku) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (_!_) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Don't tell me you guys fell for this line of BS?

    Well, there is this:

    adidasvanmarathon.camarathon2004.html

    There is my official finish time, with halfway split too.

    You can believe that I made up the rest of it, if you
    want; I don't care.

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