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  1. alternate title: "you're welcome, rec.running insomniacs"

    And sorry, I myself am way too sleepy to edit this, or I might try to
    tighten it up. Long-ass film from 9-11:30
    (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058625/) after a long-ass day.

    - - -

    I went back and forth on how to treat this race: whether to do a substantial
    mini-taper to try and get the best possible time, or train through it. Then
    when my training was curtailed by a pretty bad and persistent cold two weeks
    ago, that resolved for me that I didn't want to sacrifice training milage
    this week, so I'd run easy a couple days beforehand and hope for the best.

    It's a good race, and it's surely the fastest course of the 6 or 7 half
    marathons NYRR puts on, with only one hill worth mentioning, few turns, and
    cool weather. OTOH it comes at a time of year when about the only people in
    top form are those who diligently trained all winter for a spring marathon.

    Me? I didn't. I averaged something like 35 MPW in Nov/Dec/Jan, nearly all
    of it slow and relaxed. Although blowing away my (very soft, certainly) 4
    mile PR, twice, leads me to believe these easy miles must've been enough to
    keep me in touch with most of my 2005 aerobic base. That, and surely the
    strides a couple times a week have helped.

    Last two weeks, aside from spending half of it with the virus, I've done a
    couple sessions of 200m/400m reps and one of unstructured short interval
    type running. I hope these sorts of workouts will help tremendously in
    weeks and months ahead but for now I figure they're likely to have done more
    to wipe me out than to speed me up, especially in something as long as 21
    km. And I'm not feeling endurance trained at all, slowly jogging piddly
    little 13 milers on Sunday of late. Essentially no tempo type work, that'll
    come later. And I've been getting an hour less sleep than I'd prefer at
    least a week running, maybe two.

    So not sure exactly where I stand coming in, I bring more goals with me than
    usual, four in all:

    [a] avoiding total humiliation: course PR (1:39:12 - see point above about
    coming off a relatively idle winter)
    [b] challenging but plausible: distance PR (1:31:57)
    [c] more challenge: McMillan's calculator's equivalent to recent 4M PR
    (1:30:53)
    [d] unlikely: 1:30

    More on the course. First ~3 miles are on the Coney Island (yes, that one)
    boardwalk. Terrific forgiving running surface.

    Then six miles straight up Ocean Parkway (http://tinyurl.com/htbxv), a broad
    boulevard with a smaller side street on each side, grassy medians with
    pedestrian paths and benches between each parallel roadway. The Parkway was
    designed by Frederick Law Olmsted and Calvert Vaux, the same dynamic duo
    behind Central and Prospect Parks. Big fairly handsome apartment buildings
    line most of it, and most residents along its length are jewish, running a
    gamut from liberal to orthodox and Hasidic. Just a few blocks over running
    parallel is Coney Island Avenue, with a sizable muslim presence, and one of
    NY's top ten great ethnic food streets, especially great Pakistani, Turkish,
    Israeli, and Afghan restaurants.

    Then a loop of Prospect Park, my regular stomping ground. There's a hill, a
    little over a hundred feet gain in about half a mile - no it ain't
    Peekamoose or Griffith Park, but it'll get your attention in a race.

    So it's 33F and windy. I wait an unreasonable span for a subway and arrive
    with too little time for a leisurely warmup, or for waiting in the enormous
    porta-potty lines - we're talking 4000 runners, typical for a NYRR gig. I
    jog half a mile with a few strides and make alternate bathroom arrangements.
    I also bang my left knee pretty good dropping off my bag on the baggage bus,
    when a young woman behind me refuses to acknowledge that she and I must both
    occupy distinct physical space, and insists on entering while I'm trying to
    exit. Don't think it became a factor in the race but a few hours afterward
    it was more sore than any other part of my legs.

    Finally, the race.

    So I figure, even if 1:30 is unlikely I'm gonna aim for it, tell myself it's
    possible, and if I can't hold 6:52 pace for 13 miles then, by golly, I'll
    just have to hope I merely slow down rather than, say, explode.

    Eat a gel and wash it down at 7:50, 10 minutes before the start, and line up
    closer to the front than my usual. Maybe 20 rows back? By the 6'/mile
    banner. I'm wearing my Saucony Fastwitch, whose upper has been slowly
    separating from the sole. They've still got a few races/runs left in 'em
    though. Filthy dirty from running dirt trails in Prospect Park.

    Gun fires, I get to line 20 seconds later. Glad I wasn't further back. I
    still have to pass a handful and don't get passed by more than a few, but
    it's not so bad. Feels great, my estimated 6:52 pace feels quite relaxed.

    Hit first mile marker and find I've just run 6:30. Holy [censored]! Slow down!
    But also feel kinda gratified that 6:30 felt that easy. Guess I've gotten
    accustomed to letting the sizable crowd in front of me keep my first mile
    slower, as I work my way up.

    Next five miles I'm easily able to keep a more reasonable pace in the
    6:50's. I hope to maybe shelter from the wind a bit by sticking in a pack,
    but packs aren't really forming and sticking together, and the wind seems to
    be shifting too much to avoid effectively anyhow. Eat another gel somewhere
    around mile 5 or 6. Don't know if two gels really helps with a 13 mile race
    but I figure they can't hurt, as long as I can digest 'em without incident.

    At about the halfway point my shoe comes untied. Damn! I had double
    knotted it but I think the shoelaces have become smoother with use and lost
    some knot-keeping friction, and maybe some of the dirt also acts as a
    lubricant. I reckon pulling over and tying and getting back took me nearly
    twenty seconds. Probably get a few of those seconds back, from the slight
    rest, but not all of them.

    I'm starting to tire a bit as we near the park. There's a little uphill and
    it's not as easy as I'd like. Mile ten is slightly tougher still, and the
    next one includes that big lump in the ground which is no longer looking so
    much like a molehill. I'm willing to tackle more discomfort than I'm
    feeling, I just can't move my heavy legs very fast. And the last two or
    three miles it feels like my hamstrings are going to start cramping any
    time, but they never quite do. They just feel kinda, I dunno, twinge-y.
    Again, I don't really slow down to try and head off the cramping, I'm just
    pretty much unable to get the damn things to move any faster. I guess I'm
    just running out of gas, courtesy my lack of endurance training coupled with
    the fast first mile.

    Manage to at least not lose too much pace the last 2.1 miles. Catch some
    people in the final .1. In general though I am probably about even on
    passing vs. being passed for the second half. I've run this race a lot more
    like the majority at my pace, rather than negative/even splitting and
    passing people the whole way. I prefer the latter but am willing to accept
    the former today as a not-unexpected consequence of trying to pace a little
    more aggressively. I don't think I'll do this - start faster than I think
    I'll be able to maintain - every time, but will come back to it now and
    again, and sooner or later surprise myself with a breakthrough race.

    In the meantime I'm happy with my 1:30:35 (67% WAVA, 2nd behind recent 4M
    PR, though ahead of that one on McMillan's calculator). Accomplished all my
    goals except the sub-1:30, and came fairly close to that one... and expect
    to surpass that mark easily come fall, after some months of good volume,
    more quality, more relevent training for the distance, the loss of a few
    more kg, and reliable shoelaces.

    Put in probably 4 miles walking between getting home and shopping and
    haircut later in the day, and 3.75 mile recovery jog just because I felt
    pretty good seven hours and hundreds of calories later and was curious how
    that'd feel (A: fine, as long as I kept it slow) and probably wanted an
    excuse for more "recovery food" (ovaltine and bagel after race, spinach &
    apple & carrot & wheatgrass juice and half a fancy dark chocolate bar with a
    cool picture of a bat after the recovery run).

    I look forward to the 10k in two weeks. I'll aim for decent volume (~60
    miles) this coming week (although a few days of easy miles before I even
    think about quality workouts), then cut back a little the week before the
    race. Between continuing to get fitter and the shorter distance for which
    I'm hopefully better trained, maybe I can get pretty close to 40:00.
    Which - having only raced that distance once, in my first year - would be
    over a 7:00 PR!


    splits
    ======
    6:32
    6:53
    13:43 (x2, missed mile 3 marker)
    6:42
    6:58
    7:15 (tied shoelace)
    6:50
    6:57
    7:01
    7:19 (uphill)
    6:42 (downhill)
    7:00
    :43 (.1)

  2. LOSER only did half. LOSER QUITTER

    [quote="'Charlie Pendejo'"]alternate title: "you're welcome, rec.running insomniacs"

    And sorry, I myself am way too sleepy to edit this, or I might try to
    tighten it up. Long-ass film from 9-11:30
    (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058625/) after a long-ass day.

    - - -

    I went back and forth on how to treat this race: whether to do a substantial
    mini-taper to try and get the best possible time, or train through it. Then
    when my training was curtailed by a pretty bad and persistent cold two weeks
    ago, that resolved for me that I didn't want to sacrifice training milage
    this week, so I'd run easy a couple days beforehand and hope for the best.

    It's a good race, and it's surely the fastest course of the 6 or 7 half
    marathons NYRR puts on, with only one hill worth mentioning, few turns, and
    cool weather. OTOH it comes at a time of year when about the only people in
    top form are those who diligently trained all winter for a spring marathon.

    Me? I didn't. I averaged something like 35 MPW in Nov/Dec/Jan, nearly all
    of it slow and relaxed. Although blowing away my (very soft, certainly) 4
    mile PR, twice, leads me to believe these easy miles must've been enough to
    keep me in touch with most of my 2005 aerobic base. That, and surely the
    strides a couple times a week have helped.

    Last two weeks, aside from spending half of it with the virus, I've done a
    couple sessions of 200m/400m reps and one of unstructured short interval
    type running. I hope these sorts of workouts will help tremendously in
    weeks and months ahead but for now I figure they're likely to have done more
    to wipe me out than to speed me up, especially in something as long as 21
    km. And I'm not feeling endurance trained at all, slowly jogging piddly
    little 13 milers on Sunday of late. Essentially no tempo type work, that'll
    come later. And I've been getting an hour less sleep than I'd prefer at
    least a week running, maybe two.

    So not sure exactly where I stand coming in, I bring more goals with me than
    usual, four in all:

    [a] avoiding total humiliation: course PR (1:39:12 - see point above about
    coming off a relatively idle winter)
    [b] challenging but plausible: distance PR (1:31:57)
    [c] more challenge: McMillan's calculator's equivalent to recent 4M PR
    (1:30:53)
    [d] unlikely: 1:30

    More on the course. First ~3 miles are on the Coney Island (yes, that one)
    boardwalk. Terrific forgiving running surface.

    Then six miles straight up Ocean Parkway (http://tinyurl.com/htbxv), a broad
    boulevard with a smaller side street on each side, grassy medians with
    pedestrian paths and benches between each parallel roadway. The Parkway was
    designed by Frederick Law Olmsted and Calvert Vaux, the same dynamic duo
    behind Central and Prospect Parks. Big fairly handsome apartment buildings
    line most of it, and most residents along its length are jewish, running a
    gamut from liberal to orthodox and Hasidic. Just a few blocks over running
    parallel is Coney Island Avenue, with a sizable muslim presence, and one of
    NY's top ten great ethnic food streets, especially great Pakistani, Turkish,
    Israeli, and Afghan restaurants.

    Then a loop of Prospect Park, my regular stomping ground. There's a hill, a
    little over a hundred feet gain in about half a mile - no it ain't
    Peekamoose or Griffith Park, but it'll get your attention in a race.

    So it's 33F and windy. I wait an unreasonable span for a subway and arrive
    with too little time for a leisurely warmup, or for waiting in the enormous
    porta-potty lines - we're talking 4000 runners, typical for a NYRR gig. I
    jog half a mile with a few strides and make alternate bathroom arrangements.
    I also bang my left knee pretty good dropping off my bag on the baggage bus,
    when a young woman behind me refuses to acknowledge that she and I must both
    occupy distinct physical space, and insists on entering while I'm trying to
    exit. Don't think it became a factor in the race but a few hours afterward
    it was more sore than any other part of my legs.

    Finally, the race.

    So I figure, even if 1:30 is unlikely I'm gonna aim for it, tell myself it's
    possible, and if I can't hold 6:52 pace for 13 miles then, by golly, I'll
    just have to hope I merely slow down rather than, say, explode.

    Eat a gel and wash it down at 7:50, 10 minutes before the start, and line up
    closer to the front than my usual. Maybe 20 rows back? By the 6'/mile
    banner. I'm wearing my Saucony Fastwitch, whose upper has been slowly
    separating from the sole. They've still got a few races/runs left in 'em
    though. Filthy dirty from running dirt trails in Prospect Park.

    Gun fires, I get to line 20 seconds later. Glad I wasn't further back. I
    still have to pass a handful and don't get passed by more than a few, but
    it's not so bad. Feels great, my estimated 6:52 pace feels quite relaxed.

    Hit first mile marker and find I've just run 6:30. Holy [censored]! Slow down!
    But also feel kinda gratified that 6:30 felt that easy. Guess I've gotten
    accustomed to letting the sizable crowd in front of me keep my first mile
    slower, as I work my way up.

    Next five miles I'm easily able to keep a more reasonable pace in the
    6:50's. I hope to maybe shelter from the wind a bit by sticking in a pack,
    but packs aren't really forming and sticking together, and the wind seems to
    be shifting too much to avoid effectively anyhow. Eat another gel somewhere
    around mile 5 or 6. Don't know if two gels really helps with a 13 mile race
    but I figure they can't hurt, as long as I can digest 'em without incident.

    At about the halfway point my shoe comes untied. Damn! I had double
    knotted it but I think the shoelaces have become smoother with use and lost
    some knot-keeping friction, and maybe some of the dirt also acts as a
    lubricant. I reckon pulling over and tying and getting back took me nearly
    twenty seconds. Probably get a few of those seconds back, from the slight
    rest, but not all of them.

    I'm starting to tire a bit as we near the park. There's a little uphill and
    it's not as easy as I'd like. Mile ten is slightly tougher still, and the
    next one includes that big lump in the ground which is no longer looking so
    much like a molehill. I'm willing to tackle more discomfort than I'm
    feeling, I just can't move my heavy legs very fast. And the last two or
    three miles it feels like my hamstrings are going to start cramping any
    time, but they never quite do. They just feel kinda, I dunno, twinge-y.
    Again, I don't really slow down to try and head off the cramping, I'm just
    pretty much unable to get the damn things to move any faster. I guess I'm
    just running out of gas, courtesy my lack of endurance training coupled with
    the fast first mile.

    Manage to at least not lose too much pace the last 2.1 miles. Catch some
    people in the final .1. In general though I am probably about even on
    passing vs. being passed for the second half. I've run this race a lot more
    like the majority at my pace, rather than negative/even splitting and
    passing people the whole way. I prefer the latter but am willing to accept
    the former today as a not-unexpected consequence of trying to pace a little
    more aggressively. I don't think I'll do this - start faster than I think
    I'll be able to maintain - every time, but will come back to it now and
    again, and sooner or later surprise myself with a breakthrough race.

    In the meantime I'm happy with my 1:30:35 (67% WAVA, 2nd behind recent 4M
    PR, though ahead of that one on McMillan's calculator). Accomplished all my
    goals except the sub-1:30, and came fairly close to that one... and expect
    to surpass that mark easily come fall, after some months of good volume,
    more quality, more relevent training for the distance, the loss of a few
    more kg, and reliable shoelaces.

    Put in probably 4 miles walking between getting home and shopping and
    haircut later in the day, and 3.75 mile recovery jog just because I felt
    pretty good seven hours and hundreds of calories later and was curious how
    that'd feel (A: fine, as long as I kept it slow) and probably wanted an
    excuse for more "recovery food" (ovaltine and bagel after race, spinach &
    apple & carrot & wheatgrass juice and half a fancy dark chocolate bar with a
    cool picture of a bat after the recovery run).

    I look forward to the 10k in two weeks. I'll aim for decent volume (~60
    miles) this coming week (although a few days of easy miles before I even
    think about quality workouts), then cut back a little the week before the
    race. Between continuing to get fitter and the shorter distance for which
    I'm hopefully better trained, maybe I can get pretty close to 40:00.
    Which - having only raced that distance once, in my first year - would be
    over a 7:00 PR!


    splits
    ======
    6:32
    6:53
    13:43 (x2, missed mile 3 marker)
    6:42
    6:58
    7:15 (tied shoelace)
    6:50
    6:57
    7:01
    7:19 (uphill)
    6:42 (downhill)
    7:00
    :43 (.1)
    [/quote]

  3. Charlie Pendejo said:

    alternate title: "you're welcome, rec.running insomniacs"

    Not the folks on the West Coast 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    And sorry, I myself am way too sleepy to edit this, or I might try to
    tighten it up. Long-ass film from 9-11:30
    (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058625/) after a long-ass day.

    Just last week I saw Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress - slightly older and longer.

    .....

    Quoted message said:

    Just a few blocks over running
    parallel is Coney Island Avenue, with a sizable muslim presence, and one of
    NY's top ten great ethnic food streets, especially great Pakistani, Turkish,
    Israeli, and Afghan restaurants.

    Glad that we didn't have to wait till the end of the report
    for the culinary part ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    So it's 33F and windy. I wait an unreasonable span for a subway and arrive
    with too little time for a leisurely warmup, or for waiting in the enormous
    porta-potty lines - we're talking 4000 runners, typical for a NYRR gig. I

    4000 folks in 33F. That's pretty impressive.

    Quoted message said:

    Finally, the race.


    .....

    Quoted message said:


    Gun fires, I get to line 20 seconds later. Glad I wasn't further back. I
    still have to pass a handful and don't get passed by more than a few, but
    it's not so bad. Feels great, my estimated 6:52 pace feels quite relaxed.

    Hit first mile marker and find I've just run 6:30. Holy [censored]! Slow down!
    But also feel kinda gratified that 6:30 felt that easy. Guess I've gotten
    accustomed to letting the sizable crowd in front of me keep my first mile
    slower, as I work my way up.

    Looking at your splits, 6:30 was your fastest mile.

    Quoted message said:

    At about the halfway point my shoe comes untied. Damn! I had double
    knotted it but I think the shoelaces have become smoother with use and lost
    some knot-keeping friction, and maybe some of the dirt also acts as a
    lubricant. I reckon pulling over and tying and getting back took me nearly
    twenty seconds. Probably get a few of those seconds back, from the slight
    rest, but not all of them.

    Ever consider using one of those lace locks?

    Quoted message said:

    In the meantime I'm happy with my 1:30:35 (67% WAVA, 2nd behind recent 4M
    PR, though ahead of that one on McMillan's calculator). Accomplished all my
    goals except the sub-1:30, and came fairly close to that one... and expect
    to surpass that mark easily come fall, after some months of good volume,
    more quality, more relevent training for the distance, the loss of a few
    more kg, and reliable shoelaces.

    Nice result, Charlie.

    Is the 1:30:35 gun time or chip time?
    Either way, it's pretty good.

    Quoted message said:

    I look forward to the 10k in two weeks. I'll aim for decent volume (~60
    miles) this coming week (although a few days of easy miles before I even
    think about quality workouts), then cut back a little the week before the
    race. Between continuing to get fitter and the shorter distance for which
    I'm hopefully better trained, maybe I can get pretty close to 40:00.
    Which - having only raced that distance once, in my first year - would be
    over a 7:00 PR!

    Looks like you are in good shape for that 10K. Good luck.

    Thanks for the nice race report.
    jobs

  4. I ran some good Fatleks today.

  5. Charlie Pendejo said:

    alternate title: "you're welcome, rec.running insomniacs"

    <snip>

    Well done Charlie! Tantalisingly close to the magic sub-1:30 but you'll
    surely get there soon. (My own pb is sitting irritatingly at 1:31). I'm
    struggling to get faster than I'm getting older but I reckon you have age on
    your side. ;-)

    Do your shoe laces up properly next time!

    Tim

  6. "Charlie Pendejo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    [quote="Quoted message"]alternate title: "you're welcome, rec.running insomniacs"

    And sorry, I myself am way too sleepy to edit this, or I might try to
    tighten it up. Long-ass film from 9-11:30
    (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058625/) after a long-ass day.

    - - -

    I went back and forth on how to treat this race: whether to do a
    substantial mini-taper to try and get the best possible time, or train
    through it. Then when my training was curtailed by a pretty bad and
    persistent cold two weeks ago, that resolved for me that I didn't want to
    sacrifice training milage this week, so I'd run easy a couple days
    beforehand and hope for the best.

    It's a good race, and it's surely the fastest course of the 6 or 7 half
    marathons NYRR puts on, with only one hill worth mentioning, few turns,
    and cool weather. OTOH it comes at a time of year when about the only
    people in top form are those who diligently trained all winter for a
    spring marathon.

    Me? I didn't. I averaged something like 35 MPW in Nov/Dec/Jan, nearly
    all of it slow and relaxed. Although blowing away my (very soft,
    certainly) 4 mile PR, twice, leads me to believe these easy miles must've
    been enough to keep me in touch with most of my 2005 aerobic base. That,
    and surely the strides a couple times a week have helped.

    Last two weeks, aside from spending half of it with the virus, I've done a
    couple sessions of 200m/400m reps and one of unstructured short interval
    type running. I hope these sorts of workouts will help tremendously in
    weeks and months ahead but for now I figure they're likely to have done
    more to wipe me out than to speed me up, especially in something as long
    as 21 km. And I'm not feeling endurance trained at all, slowly jogging
    piddly little 13 milers on Sunday of late. Essentially no tempo type
    work, that'll come later. And I've been getting an hour less sleep than
    I'd prefer at least a week running, maybe two.

    So not sure exactly where I stand coming in, I bring more goals with me
    than usual, four in all:

    [a] avoiding total humiliation: course PR (1:39:12 - see point above about
    coming off a relatively idle winter)
    [b] challenging but plausible: distance PR (1:31:57)
    [c] more challenge: McMillan's calculator's equivalent to recent 4M PR
    (1:30:53)
    [d] unlikely: 1:30

    More on the course. First ~3 miles are on the Coney Island (yes, that
    one) boardwalk. Terrific forgiving running surface.

    Then six miles straight up Ocean Parkway (http://tinyurl.com/htbxv), a
    broad boulevard with a smaller side street on each side, grassy medians
    with pedestrian paths and benches between each parallel roadway. The
    Parkway was designed by Frederick Law Olmsted and Calvert Vaux, the same
    dynamic duo behind Central and Prospect Parks. Big fairly handsome
    apartment buildings line most of it, and most residents along its length
    are jewish, running a gamut from liberal to orthodox and Hasidic. Just a
    few blocks over running parallel is Coney Island Avenue, with a sizable
    muslim presence, and one of NY's top ten great ethnic food streets,
    especially great Pakistani, Turkish, Israeli, and Afghan restaurants.

    Then a loop of Prospect Park, my regular stomping ground. There's a hill,
    a little over a hundred feet gain in about half a mile - no it ain't
    Peekamoose or Griffith Park, but it'll get your attention in a race.

    So it's 33F and windy. I wait an unreasonable span for a subway and
    arrive with too little time for a leisurely warmup, or for waiting in the
    enormous porta-potty lines - we're talking 4000 runners, typical for a
    NYRR gig. I jog half a mile with a few strides and make alternate
    bathroom arrangements. I also bang my left knee pretty good dropping off
    my bag on the baggage bus, when a young woman behind me refuses to
    acknowledge that she and I must both occupy distinct physical space, and
    insists on entering while I'm trying to exit. Don't think it became a
    factor in the race but a few hours afterward it was more sore than any
    other part of my legs.

    Finally, the race.

    So I figure, even if 1:30 is unlikely I'm gonna aim for it, tell myself
    it's possible, and if I can't hold 6:52 pace for 13 miles then, by golly,
    I'll just have to hope I merely slow down rather than, say, explode.

    Eat a gel and wash it down at 7:50, 10 minutes before the start, and line
    up closer to the front than my usual. Maybe 20 rows back? By the 6'/mile
    banner. I'm wearing my Saucony Fastwitch, whose upper has been slowly
    separating from the sole. They've still got a few races/runs left in 'em
    though. Filthy dirty from running dirt trails in Prospect Park.

    Gun fires, I get to line 20 seconds later. Glad I wasn't further back. I
    still have to pass a handful and don't get passed by more than a few, but
    it's not so bad. Feels great, my estimated 6:52 pace feels quite relaxed.

    Hit first mile marker and find I've just run 6:30. Holy [censored]! Slow down!
    But also feel kinda gratified that 6:30 felt that easy. Guess I've gotten
    accustomed to letting the sizable crowd in front of me keep my first mile
    slower, as I work my way up.

    Next five miles I'm easily able to keep a more reasonable pace in the
    6:50's. I hope to maybe shelter from the wind a bit by sticking in a
    pack, but packs aren't really forming and sticking together, and the wind
    seems to be shifting too much to avoid effectively anyhow. Eat another
    gel somewhere around mile 5 or 6. Don't know if two gels really helps
    with a 13 mile race but I figure they can't hurt, as long as I can digest
    'em without incident.

    At about the halfway point my shoe comes untied. Damn! I had double
    knotted it but I think the shoelaces have become smoother with use and
    lost some knot-keeping friction, and maybe some of the dirt also acts as a
    lubricant. I reckon pulling over and tying and getting back took me
    nearly twenty seconds. Probably get a few of those seconds back, from the
    slight rest, but not all of them.

    I'm starting to tire a bit as we near the park. There's a little uphill
    and it's not as easy as I'd like. Mile ten is slightly tougher still, and
    the next one includes that big lump in the ground which is no longer
    looking so much like a molehill. I'm willing to tackle more discomfort
    than I'm feeling, I just can't move my heavy legs very fast. And the last
    two or three miles it feels like my hamstrings are going to start cramping
    any time, but they never quite do. They just feel kinda, I dunno,
    twinge-y. Again, I don't really slow down to try and head off the
    cramping, I'm just pretty much unable to get the damn things to move any
    faster. I guess I'm just running out of gas, courtesy my lack of
    endurance training coupled with the fast first mile.

    Manage to at least not lose too much pace the last 2.1 miles. Catch some
    people in the final .1. In general though I am probably about even on
    passing vs. being passed for the second half. I've run this race a lot
    more like the majority at my pace, rather than negative/even splitting and
    passing people the whole way. I prefer the latter but am willing to
    accept the former today as a not-unexpected consequence of trying to pace
    a little more aggressively. I don't think I'll do this - start faster
    than I think I'll be able to maintain - every time, but will come back to
    it now and again, and sooner or later surprise myself with a breakthrough
    race.

    In the meantime I'm happy with my 1:30:35 (67% WAVA, 2nd behind recent 4M
    PR, though ahead of that one on McMillan's calculator). Accomplished all
    my goals except the sub-1:30, and came fairly close to that one... and
    expect to surpass that mark easily come fall, after some months of good
    volume, more quality, more relevent training for the distance, the loss of
    a few more kg, and reliable shoelaces.

    Put in probably 4 miles walking between getting home and shopping and
    haircut later in the day, and 3.75 mile recovery jog just because I felt
    pretty good seven hours and hundreds of calories later and was curious how
    that'd feel (A: fine, as long as I kept it slow) and probably wanted an
    excuse for more "recovery food" (ovaltine and bagel after race, spinach &
    apple & carrot & wheatgrass juice and half a fancy dark chocolate bar with
    a cool picture of a bat after the recovery run).

    I look forward to the 10k in two weeks. I'll aim for decent volume (~60
    miles) this coming week (although a few days of easy miles before I even
    think about quality workouts), then cut back a little the week before the
    race. Between continuing to get fitter and the shorter distance for which
    I'm hopefully better trained, maybe I can get pretty close to 40:00.
    Which - having only raced that distance once, in my first year - would be
    over a 7:00 PR!


    splits
    ======
    6:32
    6:53
    13:43 (x2, missed mile 3 marker)
    6:42
    6:58
    7:15 (tied shoelace)
    6:50
    6:57
    7:01
    7:19 (uphill)
    6:42 (downhill)
    7:00
    :43 (.1)
    [/quote]
    Congrats on the PR and sub 7!

    I hope to get there and beyond at some point, (qualify for NYC) but it's got
    to be soon since I'm quickly headed for 50 and I'm not going to get any
    faster. I'm not sure what I'm capable of since my best halfs have been on
    course with significant hills.

    How come you didn't remind us out of towners about this race?
    (I couldn't have made it anyway. My wife is in Boston doing a training run
    on the course.)
    Was Lance there? Did he place in his age/bmi group? 🙂

    -PR

  7. Quoted message said:

    I'm wearing my Saucony Fastwitch, whose upper has been slowly


    separating from the sole
    _

    the same exact thing with my pair, well before their time. i contacted
    saucony last week and probed, they are mailing me a form and then
    having me mail them the shoes for inspection. they then will make a
    determination if it's a manufacturing error. i asked to be emailed
    any form and they said they had to go snail mail route.

    i've got enough experience with shoes to know a defect when i see one.
    the solution would be a slightly stronger mesh coupled with just better
    stitching at the point where the mesh meets the sole.

    it's a shame because i love the shoe. i expect saucony to replace the
    shoe with a new model.

    your performance yesterday was very strong and stringing PRs is very
    rewarding.

    6:26/mile in Central Park? possible and i suspect will be determined
    by how you manage the 2 hill climbs on the northern loop. i take it
    that's the only foreign/unfamiliar racing terrain on that course for
    you. in my first 10K on that course I did 40:04. afterward all i
    thought about was 4 lousy seconds, proof positive that every stride,
    every second counts in working toward a goal.

    also i would encourage you to get rid of shoe laces and go with elastic
    strands with the little PVC clip device. beyond better security, the
    elastic allows expansion of the shoes fit with running duration (heat
    generation/swelling) and you sustain in realtime, over distance and
    heat a soothing fit.

  8. Quoted message said:

    Was Lance there? Did he place in his age/bmi group? 🙂


    _

    cute joke. not sure when i will be able to run daily, much less race
    again. i looked at a klein road bike yesterday in fact as a solution
    since my therapist does not want me running daily or for more than 1
    loop around central park (6 miles). no more than 25 mi / week for a
    while.

  9. Parker said:

    Congrats on the PR and sub 7!

    Thanks, PR (and TD, and other well-wishers).

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not sure what I'm capable of since my best halfs have been on course
    with significant hills.

    Yeah, if for some reason you were looking for a pretty fast half marathon in
    the city, Brooklyn 1/2 in spring is the fastest we've got, and maybe Grete's
    in the fall (generally 5 weeks out from NYCM) though that one gives you a
    couple laps worth of Central Park hills. There may be some fast races
    across the Hudson in Joisey.

    Quoted message said:

    How come you didn't remind us out of towners about this race?

    I had mentioned it a handful of times in prior months and didn't want to
    sound like a broken record. At one point gym.gravity may have considered
    coming but we haven't heard from him in a while, probably busy.

  10. lance said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm wearing my Saucony Fastwitch, whose upper has been slowly
    separating from the sole

    the same exact thing with my pair, well before their time.

    Yeah, if you check on letsrun (I guess you're not "sir lancealot"
    there?) a number of people reported the same thing. Design flaw.

    Quoted message said:

    it's a shame because i love the shoe. i expect saucony to replace the
    shoe with a new model.

    I think the next generation Fastwitch is out already. Haven't heard if
    it's any different or if they just fixed the separating upper.
    Saucony's also got another light shoe out recently called "type A", but
    I don't think it's as light as the FT.

    Quoted message said:

    also i would encourage you to get rid of shoe laces and go with elastic
    strands with the little PVC clip device. beyond better security, the
    elastic allows expansion of the shoes fit with running duration (heat
    generation/swelling) and you sustain in realtime, over distance and
    heat a soothing fit.

    Sizing up a full size over street shoes takes care of any fit issue
    even for 3 hour runs, but having the laces come untied despite a double
    knot is obnoxious. You're the second person to mention the gadget -
    maybe I will look into them. Though to outfit my entire collection
    could get expensive...

    Thanks for the congrats. Hope you're feeling 100% soon whether that
    means daily running or biking or whatever. (I bought a decent road
    bike, used, in fall 2003 and have only had it out maybe a dozen times.
    Turns out I can't stand cutting into my running time. Maybe if I
    sustain an injury that permits biking but not running, or end up at a
    job where I could commute on bike... or maybe it's just that I've
    developed a negative image of cycling weenies in this city.)

  11. Charlie Pendejo said:
    Parker said:

    Congrats on the PR and sub 7!

    Thanks, PR (and TD, and other well-wishers).


    Although frankly, I wish you just sent me $$ for more tacos, rice and
    beans. What a bunch of cheap [censored].

  12. My doppelganger said:

    Although frankly, I wish you just sent me $$ for more tacos, rice
    and beans. What a bunch of cheap [censored].

    Well said, and I couldn't agree more! rec.running, feel free to send me $$
    and/or foods in lieu of congratulations from now on. Quality tequila and
    mescal will be put to good use too. Or: congratulate me *and* send some
    moolah and food, it's all good.

    Now, doppelganger, if you'd just write my damn eleven page race reports for
    me, you'd save me plenty of time I could put to better use. C'mon Billy
    Boi, get on it. Next one's in two weeks, "Scotland Run 10km" - that ought
    to be right up yr, well, something - and no I'm not wearing a skirt - and I
    advise getting an early start on it.

  13. Charlie Pendejo said:

    and no I'm not wearing a skirt

    NAKED? OMG, that's much worse!

  14. Charlie Pendejo said:

    Well said, and I couldn't agree more! rec.running, feel free to send me $$
    and/or foods in lieu of congratulations from now on. Quality tequila and
    mescal will be put to good use too. Or: congratulate me *and* send some
    moolah and food, it's all good.

    I is sooooo poor I need food. Years of being unemployed, and homeless,
    are catching up to me.

    Quoted message said:

    Now, doppelganger,

    It's Chuck to you.

    Quoted message said:

    if you'd just write my damn eleven page race reports for
    me, you'd save me plenty of time I could put to better use. C'mon Billy
    Boi, get on it. Next one's in two weeks, "Scotland Run 10km" - that ought
    to be right up yr, well, something

    You wish.

    Quoted message said:

    and no I'm not wearing a skirt - and I
    advise getting an early start on it.

    I doubt I'll be wearing pants or shorts too.

    CP

  15. Charlie Pendejo said:

    (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058625

    Nothing like a waky Japanese film to lift the spirits.

    Quoted message said:

    OTOH it comes at a time of year when about the only people in top form
    are those who diligently trained all winter for a spring marathon.

    Maybe I should pencil this in for next year. Smoke the NY crowd with my
    year-round training. ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    More on the course. First ~3 miles are on the Coney Island (yes, that
    one) boardwalk. Terrific forgiving running surface.

    I've run on this type of surface. On some man-made trails around here
    they've built wooden paths above the swamp land. The "boardwalk" feels
    like it gives you a little extra bounce and speed.

    Quoted message said:

    Feels great, my estimated 6:52 pace feels quite relaxed.

    Doesn't it always feel great at the start? If it doesn't feel slow, then
    I'm going way too fast.

    Quoted message said:

    In the meantime I'm happy with my 1:30:35 (67% WAVA, 2nd behind recent
    4M PR, though ahead of that one on McMillan's calculator).
    Accomplished all my goals except the sub-1:30, and came fairly close
    to that one...

    Good job CP. You did say that 1:30 was unlikely. So that doesn't sound
    like a goal to me.

    Quoted message said:

    and expect to surpass that mark easily come fall, after
    some months of good volume, more quality, more relevent training for
    the distance, the loss of a few more kg, and reliable shoelaces.

    And get some more sleep.

    Quoted message said:

    I look forward to the 10k in two weeks. I'll aim for decent volume
    (~60 miles) this coming week (although a few days of easy miles before
    I even think about quality workouts), then cut back a little the week
    before the race. Between continuing to get fitter and the shorter
    distance for which I'm hopefully better trained, maybe I can get
    pretty close to 40:00.

    McMillian says 40:35. Maybe that speed training will show itself by then.

    Very well written report. Congrats on the result.

    --
    Phil M.

  16. "Charlie Pendejo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    snipped selectively<
    ...
    Last two weeks, aside from spending half of it with the virus, I've done a
    couple sessions of 200m/400m reps and one of unstructured short interval
    type running. I hope these sorts of workouts will help tremendously in
    weeks and months ahead but for now I figure they're likely to have done


    more

    Quoted message said:

    to wipe me out than to speed me up, especially in something as long as 21
    km. And I'm not feeling endurance trained at all, slowly jogging piddly
    little 13 milers on Sunday of late. Essentially no tempo type work,


    that'll

    Quoted message said:

    come later. And I've been getting an hour less sleep than I'd prefer at
    least a week running, maybe two.

    ok ok, enough excuses to explain any outcome...

    Quoted message said:

    ...
    Then a loop of Prospect Park, my regular stomping ground. There's a hill,


    a

    Quoted message said:

    little over a hundred feet gain in about half a mile - no it ain't
    Peekamoose or Griffith Park, but it'll get your attention in a race.

    I almost went up to peekamoose today, but thought better of it with temps up
    there in the 20's and recent snow. Hard to justify 4 hours of driving for a
    2+ run when you can't hang out by the stream afterwards (last time I sat IN
    the stream to cool my legs).

    Quoted message said:

    ...
    Next five miles I'm easily able to keep a more reasonable pace in the
    6:50's. I hope to maybe shelter from the wind a bit by sticking in a


    pack,

    Quoted message said:

    but packs aren't really forming and sticking together, and the wind seems


    to

    Quoted message said:

    be shifting too much to avoid effectively anyhow. Eat another gel


    somewhere

    Quoted message said:

    around mile 5 or 6. Don't know if two gels really helps with a 13 mile


    race

    Quoted message said:

    but I figure they can't hurt, as long as I can digest 'em without


    incident.

    I was going to ask you about the wind. It's been 20-30 mph out of the
    north-west just about all week up here by the TZ bridge. You shouldn't need
    gels in a race that short, but the presence of it in your system late in the
    race might keep your metabolism from shifting due to thinning glycogen
    stores. Also probably helps in recovery to have it in you.

    Quoted message said:

    At about the halfway point my shoe comes untied. Damn! I had double
    knotted it but I think the shoelaces have become smoother with use and


    lost

    Quoted message said:

    some knot-keeping friction, and maybe some of the dirt also acts as a
    lubricant. I reckon pulling over and tying and getting back took me


    nearly

    Quoted message said:

    twenty seconds. Probably get a few of those seconds back, from the slight
    rest, but not all of them.

    There goes your 1:30 right there. Do you know those little plastic cinches
    they have on jacket cords - the little spring-loaded thing the chord goes
    through that holds it? If you put your laces through one of those and then
    tie it, they won't come untied because there's no pressure on the tie. I use
    them in some of my trail shoes and they've never come untied. Either that or
    get better laces.

    Quoted message said:

    ...
    Manage to at least not lose too much pace the last 2.1 miles. Catch some
    people in the final .1...

    In the meantime I'm happy with my 1:30:35 (67% WAVA, 2nd behind recent 4M
    PR, though ahead of that one on McMillan's calculator). Accomplished all


    my

    Quoted message said:

    goals except the sub-1:30, and came fairly close to that one... and expect
    to surpass that mark easily come fall, after some months of good volume,
    more quality, more relevent training for the distance, the loss of a few
    more kg, and reliable shoelaces.

    Nice job Charlie.

    -Tony

  17. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Was Lance there? Did he place in his age/bmi group? 🙂


    _

    cute joke. not sure when i will be able to run daily, much less race
    again. i looked at a klein road bike yesterday in fact as a solution
    since my therapist does not want me running daily or for more than 1
    loop around central park (6 miles). no more than 25 mi / week for a
    while.

    Hope you have a speedy recovery. Have you done much biking? I find it great
    cross-training and I think it makes your knees stronger, but it requires
    even more stretching than running. In scenic settings with good roads to
    ride (and less traffic) biking is a fantastic experience.

    -Tony

  18. Charlie Pendejo said:


    In the meantime I'm happy with my 1:30:35 (67% WAVA, 2nd behind recent 4M
    PR, though ahead of that one on McMillan's calculator). Accomplished all my
    goals except the sub-1:30, and came fairly close to that one...

    Really nice race, Charlie. Congratulations on achieving your main goals,
    and an "almost" on one that was more on dream end. You'll get it,
    though. Enjoyed the report.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  19. jobs said:

    Just last week I saw Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress

    And the verdict? (thumbs? stars? yea or nay?)

    Tonight was his "Ikiru" courtesy of Netflix. Terrific! Wasn't long ago I
    finally saw "Seven Samurai". Now there's one for the ages.

    Quoted message said:

    4000 folks in 33F. That's pretty impressive.

    Ya gotta understand, that ain't especially cold here.

    I saw a number of folks in shorts and singlets. Of course they're either
    crazy and foolish, or metabolic freaks. Or good and sauced. Hmmm, how well
    does liquor replace glycogen on the run?

    Quoted message said:

    Is the 1:30:35 gun time or chip time?

    Chip. Gun = 1:30:54.

  20. "Charlie Pendejo" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    In the meantime I'm happy with my 1:30:35 (67% WAVA...)

    Well done, grasshoppah! I presume you were putting the hurt on?

    You have proven that PR's are possible with low mileage, sickness and
    disease, and spotty speedwork. I suspect that eating the cuisines from 43
    nations every day plays a part in this effect.

    I think you can get a lot faster, having seen that super-efficient stride of
    yours.

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