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  1. "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    The wars of the past century, WW I and WW II, were essentially European
    civil wars and should never have been fought. The West nearly destroyed
    itself. If those wars could have been avoided, the world civilization


    would

    Quoted message said:

    now be Western Civilization and the Arab Muslims would be regarded as the
    equivalent of the stone age inhabitants of New Guinea. Well, this is what
    you do when you get old - you think about what could have been.

    Your history is flawed, a civil war is defined by rival parties fighting
    within the same state whereas WWI was started by a conflict between Serbia
    and Austria. WWII was started by a conflict between Germany and France
    (unless you want to go over the countries Germany occupied by force before
    that)

  2. "Mark Leuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    The wars of the past century, WW I and WW II, were essentially European
    civil wars and should never have been fought. The West nearly destroyed
    itself. If those wars could have been avoided, the world civilization


    would

    Quoted message said:

    now be Western Civilization and the Arab Muslims would be regarded as the
    equivalent of the stone age inhabitants of New Guinea. Well, this is what
    you do when you get old - you think about what could have been.

    Your history is flawed, a civil war is defined by rival parties fighting
    within the same state whereas WWI was started by a conflict between Serbia
    and Austria. WWII was started by a conflict between Germany and France
    (unless you want to go over the countries Germany occupied by force before
    that)

    Who cares how the wars were started? They were mainly fought in Europe among
    European nations. Do you not recognize that there are strong similarities
    among the European nations (Christianity for instance) as compared to the
    savages of New Guinea or to the even greater savages of Japan - or is it
    just all one to you?

    I am thinking outside the box. The Europeans should have been intent on
    subduing and bringing into the European orbit all the lesser peoples of the
    globe, but instead they began to quarrel among themselves and nearly brought
    down the House of Europe, otherwise known as Western Civilization. I think
    if looked at in this light it can be fairly called a civil war.

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  3. On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:57:36 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

    wrote in message : said:

    The wars of the past century, WW I and WW II, were essentially European
    civil wars and should never have been fought. The West nearly destroyed
    itself. If those wars could have been avoided, the world civilization would
    now be Western Civilization and the Arab Muslims would be regarded as the
    equivalent of the stone age inhabitants of New Guinea.

    I think you will find that the cradle of civilisation is considered to
    lie rather further south than the borders of Europe.

    I believe we recently bombed the [censored] out of it.

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  4. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:57:36 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

    wrote in message : said:

    The wars of the past century, WW I and WW II, were essentially European
    civil wars and should never have been fought. The West nearly destroyed
    itself. If those wars could have been avoided, the world civilization
    would
    now be Western Civilization and the Arab Muslims would be regarded as the
    equivalent of the stone age inhabitants of New Guinea.

    I think you will find that the cradle of civilisation is considered to
    lie rather further south than the borders of Europe.

    I believe we recently bombed the [censored] out of it.

    Iraq has nothing to do with ancient Mesopotamia, other then occupying the
    same ground. The Arab Muslims of today that reside in the Middle East are
    savages, mainly because of their abominable religion which keeps them in the
    Middle Ages.

    However, despite the European civil wars of the past century, Western
    Civilization is taking over the world and will in fact soon be the
    civilization of all mankind on this planet. Isn't it nice to be on the
    winning side.

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  5. Edward Dolan said:

    Iraq has nothing to do with ancient Mesopotamia, other then occupying the
    same ground. The Arab Muslims of today that reside in the Middle East are
    savages, mainly because of their abominable religion which keeps them in the
    Middle Ages.

    Not like Proper Religions, which can have people passing legislation in
    the World's Most Advanced Country (TM) to set in law that Pi = 3.0...

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  6. On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:22:00 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Iraq has nothing to do with ancient Mesopotamia, other then occupying the
    same ground. The Arab Muslims of today that reside in the Middle East are
    savages, mainly because of their abominable religion which keeps them in the
    Middle Ages.

    Whereas our wonderful religion has brought nothing but peace and
    harmony, apart form the occasional crusade, the Inquisition, the KKK,
    witch-burning and of course murdering abortion doctors because life is
    sacred (which always puzzles me a bit). You might want to check the
    conditions at the average Nike factory against he dictionary
    definition of "feudal" some time as well, to say nothign of the way
    many illegals are treated by their employers. The fact is, the South
    has never accepted that they lost the Civil War, and over time the
    liberal views you claim as representative of Western civilisation are
    being eroded in favour of Southern values which are in many ways
    indistinguishable from the Muslim values you lambast.

    Of course the West has done nothing to antagonise the Muslim world at
    all, other than exploit them, bomb them, starve them, insult them and
    invade them, and those things hardly count at all.

    Quoted message said:

    However, despite the European civil wars of the past century,

    You had a civil war rather more recently than we or the French did, I
    think. Our civil war was a bit of a damp squib anyway, settled with a
    typically British fudge.

    Quoted message said:

    Western
    Civilization is taking over the world and will in fact soon be the
    civilization of all mankind on this planet. Isn't it nice to be on the
    winning side.

    As long civilised is defined to include only those things which agree
    with your personal ideology, you will never achieve the hegemony you
    seek. Maybe you haven't noticed the extent to which Western
    civilisation is influenced by the East these days.

    I recently visited the British Museum and saw Persian artefacts of
    exquisite beauty from the time of the Dark Ages when our ancestors -
    yours and mine - were living in mud huts and dressed in animal skins.
    Glass cups as thin as Waterford crystal, fine filligree metalwork, all
    sorts. And fantastically illuminated copies of the Qu'ran, but they
    must have been fakes, mustn't they, because all Muslims are bestial
    and violent according to you.

    But there you go. The American dictionary has always defined
    compromise as "do it my way, by force if necessary"

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  7. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:22:00 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Iraq has nothing to do with ancient Mesopotamia, other then occupying the
    same ground. The Arab Muslims of today that reside in the Middle East are
    savages, mainly because of their abominable religion which keeps them in
    the
    Middle Ages.

    Whereas our wonderful religion has brought nothing but peace and
    harmony, apart form the occasional crusade, the Inquisition, the KKK,
    witch-burning and of course murdering abortion doctors because life is
    sacred (which always puzzles me a bit). You might want to check the
    conditions at the average Nike factory against he dictionary
    definition of "feudal" some time as well, to say nothign of the way
    many illegals are treated by their employers. The fact is, the South
    has never accepted that they lost the Civil War, and over time the
    liberal views you claim as representative of Western civilisation are
    being eroded in favour of Southern values which are in many ways
    indistinguishable from the Muslim values you lambast.

    Of course the West has done nothing to antagonise the Muslim world at
    all, other than exploit them, bomb them, starve them, insult them and
    invade them, and those things hardly count at all.

    Quoted message said:

    However, despite the European civil wars of the past century,

    You had a civil war rather more recently than we or the French did, I
    think. Our civil war was a bit of a damp squib anyway, settled with a
    typically British fudge.

    Quoted message said:

    Western
    Civilization is taking over the world and will in fact soon be the
    civilization of all mankind on this planet. Isn't it nice to be on the
    winning side.

    As long civilised is defined to include only those things which agree
    with your personal ideology, you will never achieve the hegemony you
    seek. Maybe you haven't noticed the extent to which Western
    civilisation is influenced by the East these days.

    I recently visited the British Museum and saw Persian artefacts of
    exquisite beauty from the time of the Dark Ages when our ancestors -
    yours and mine - were living in mud huts and dressed in animal skins.
    Glass cups as thin as Waterford crystal, fine filligree metalwork, all
    sorts. And fantastically illuminated copies of the Qu'ran, but they
    must have been fakes, mustn't they, because all Muslims are bestial
    and violent according to you.

    But there you go. The American dictionary has always defined
    compromise as "do it my way, by force if necessary"

    As I peruse this long rambling message of Guy's, I began to realize one
    thing: he is not been properly educated. Instead he is most likely a
    self-educated person. This would account for his lapses in every category of
    rigorous thinking. It is all a mish-mash with him. He runs everything
    together. One thought occasions another thought and it all seems connected
    in his own mind.

    But to the outsider looking in it appears that he may be slightly insane.
    His mind is like a room full of furniture scattered all about with no
    semblance of order. If and when he can get focused one item and only one
    item, then and only then will I be able to muster enough courage to take on
    this cacophony of a mind.

    When I ramble it is just a side dish, but with Guy it is the main dish. I
    require some lucidity above all else.

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  8. On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:16:15 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    As I peruse this long rambling message of Guy's, I began to realize one
    thing: he is not been properly educated.

    Yet another demonstration of Dolanesque ignorance. I went to a school
    which not only taught history, it was part of it. Our oldest building
    dated back to around 1077 and the school had already been going for
    over a century then.

    I think you will find that the USA is unusual in being prepared to
    allow its supreme court to appoint a leader who had almost never
    travelled outside your own borders.

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  9. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:16:15 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    As I peruse this long rambling message of Guy's, I began to realize one
    thing: he is not been properly educated.

    Yet another demonstration of Dolanesque ignorance. I went to a school
    which not only taught history, it was part of it. Our oldest building
    dated back to around 1077 and the school had already been going for
    over a century then.

    I think you will find that the USA is unusual in being prepared to
    allow its supreme court to appoint a leader who had almost never
    travelled outside your own borders.

    The US is a continental size nation, unlike all those very small
    mini-European nations. Hells Bells! If I were from the little island kingdom
    of Great Britain, I would want to travel too so as to see something of the
    world.

    The fact is that we Americans are to be found in every nation in the world
    these days. That is because we are the sole remaining super power and now
    have global responsibilities. You Brits blew it with your civil wars (WW I
    and WW II). When European diplomacy fails, it fails really big time.

    Guy should try to get used to having come down in the world. It ill becomes
    him to attempt any comparisons with us Americans.

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  10. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:16:15 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    As I peruse this long rambling message of Guy's, I began to realize one
    thing: he is not been properly educated.

    Yet another demonstration of Dolanesque ignorance. I went to a school
    which not only taught history, it was part of it. Our oldest building
    dated back to around 1077 and the school had already been going for
    over a century then.

    I think you will find that the USA is unusual in being prepared to
    allow its supreme court to appoint a leader who had almost never
    travelled outside your own borders.

    Guy

    If you look at the conclusion of that election you will find they did not do
    that although many on the left would have people believe that

  11. Just zis Guy said:

    ...
    I recently visited the British Museum and saw Persian artefacts of
    exquisite beauty from the time of the Dark Ages when our ancestors -
    yours and mine - were living in mud huts and dressed in animal skins.
    Glass cups as thin as Waterford crystal...

    I did not see any crystal on this site:
    <http://www.waterfordbikes.com/2004/index.php>. 😉

    They do make the frames for some recumbents, however:
    <http://www.volaerecumbents.com/>.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

  12. Just zis Guy said:

    ...
    I think you will find that the USA is unusual in being prepared to
    allow its supreme court to appoint a leader who had almost never
    travelled outside your own borders.

    The sad part is that many in the US like Bush II precisely because he is
    provincial, un-intellectual, and closed-minded.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

  13. Quoted message said:

    The sad part is that many in the US like Bush II precisely because he is
    provincial, un-intellectual, and closed-minded.

    I find it rather amusing that so many people refer to Americans in this way.

    Very recently, a film crew went round Britain asking 'young people' about their
    own history, asking many 'common sense' questions. About 2 percent admitted to
    any knowlege whatosever of the Battle of Britain, etc.

    Perhaps the U.S. isn't the sole depository of provincialism,
    anti-intellectualism, and closed-mindedness.

    James S. Prine

    "Colonel David Crockett...would *not* have supported Kerry."

    http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

  14. "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Just zis Guy said:

    ...
    I think you will find that the USA is unusual in being prepared to
    allow its supreme court to appoint a leader who had almost never
    travelled outside your own borders.

    The sad part is that many in the US like Bush II precisely because he is
    provincial, un-intellectual, and closed-minded.

    Mr. Sherman has just described himself to perfection. Ideology is no
    substitute for thinking.

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  15. "James S. Prine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The sad part is that many in the US like Bush II precisely because he is
    provincial, un-intellectual, and closed-minded.

    I find it rather amusing that so many people refer to Americans in this


    way.

    Quoted message said:


    Very recently, a film crew went round Britain asking 'young people' about


    their

    Quoted message said:

    own history, asking many 'common sense' questions. About 2 percent


    admitted to

    Quoted message said:

    any knowlege whatosever of the Battle of Britain, etc.

    Perhaps the U.S. isn't the sole depository of provincialism,
    anti-intellectualism, and closed-mindedness.

    The more informed we are the less we really know 🙂

  16. James S. Prine said:

    Perhaps the U.S. isn't the sole depository of provincialism,
    anti-intellectualism, and closed-mindedness.

    Absolutely not. Anyone who rides a recumbent is most probably aware of
    it - be it whatever country he lives in. I always found it very
    revealing how people react to recumbents - or more general - to
    something new or strange.
    Will they laugh or making derogatory remarks before even knowing what's
    really going on? That's not exactly what I would call intelligent.
    Will they ask dumb or stupid questions? And yes, there _are_ stupid
    questions, I've heard a lot in the last 14 years. ;-)
    Will they react aggressive, feel offended? Also not very intelligent and
    very revealing about their actual state of mind.

    Riding a recumbent in fact can lead to major disillusions. Of course I
    knew before that there are a lot of dumb and aggressive people around,
    but it was only theoretical, by riding a recumbent it became a painful
    certainty and a very realistic experience.

    Disclaimer: Of course I'm not intending to say that _everyone_ who rides
    a recumbent is overmuch intelligent. I know several very intelligent
    persons who don't ride recumbents or even bicycles - but their reactions
    to recumbents _never_ were aggressive or offending. They were mostly
    interested or at least neutral and posed valuable questions.

    Thus a closed mind for me has nothing to do with nationality, but a lot
    with intelligence. YMMV, of course. ;-)

    Kurt

  17. On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:12:40 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Guy should try to get used to having come down in the world. It ill becomes
    him to attempt any comparisons with us Americans.

    Comparisons with Americans like you? No, I'm not ready to come /that/
    far down in the world yet...

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  18. Tom Sherman said:

    I did not see any crystal on this site:
    <http://www.waterfordbikes.com/2004/index.php>. 😉

    For shame, Tom, trying to drag a Dolan thread on-topic!

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  19. Quoted message said:

    The more informed we are the less we really know 🙂

    LOL...I believe it was Einstein who once stated, "The more I learn, the less I
    understand."
    James S. Prine

    "Colonel David Crockett...would *not* have supported Kerry."

    http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

  20. Quoted message said:

    Thus a closed mind for me has nothing to do with nationality, but a lot
    with intelligence. YMMV, of course. ;-)

    You raise sime excellent and thought-provoking points, Kurt. and my experience
    has been similar to yours...the youngsters, in particular, that I encounter
    when I'm "riding 'bent" point out to the machine's 'coolness factor', most
    people just regard it with amazement (or befuddlement), and then there ard
    those who ask me to stop so they can ask serious questions. That latter group
    is *always* interesting to chat with.

    James S. Prine

    "Colonel David Crockett...would *not* have supported Kerry."

    http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

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