Question about Race Tradition

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> Mr. LVM-L Stalker/Name Butcher seems to think the second five-time

TdF

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> winner was Merck.

Stalker nah, name butcher not true. Merckx and Maso wasn't

intentional.

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Second five time winner... I don't where you get this stuff but if you

got

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anymore problems with me I guess we could get together and sort it

out.

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Bruce: Not trying to incite a riot here but what makes you think that

you

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can kick everyone's ass?

Being a black belt in Karate doesn't mean diddly, anyone with any boxing experience would kick
your ass without a problem.

Yes, true, just a black belt doesn't mean much. It really takes years and years of both Karate,
boxing and kick boxing helps a lot. Like I said, I

am

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the first to admit I am not that tuff. But considering if you are training to defend yourself in
everyday life, then basic black belt usually carries pretty good edge except against a gun. Knifes
never scared me that much. I have had gang members pull knifes on me and I talked my way out,
because they were too young to get in a serious fight with. The other day a guy at Taco Bell
threatened to kick my ass for looking at his girlfriend. He was just a young kid, and I just
talked to him a while. I usually avoid confrontations, I don't have the time for such nonsense
unless you get jumped in the streets then you have to scrap.

OK Bruce, just trying to understand where you are coming from.

Dashii

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I am not arguing that - but it won't be a parade. If one is behind the

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by less than 20" they will die trying.

These GC guys have no hope on the Champs Elysees and the time bonuses

for

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the intermediate sprints are too small (IIRC - 6,4,2).

If the time gaps were small enough for the intermediate sprints to be a difference, then all the
1st place team needs to do is pay a few

sprinters

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to eat up the bonuses.

So, your saying that if you are Lance or Jan and you are down by 15" going into the final stage
that you walk onto the team bus and announce it's

over?

What if the last stage was a mountaintop finish and your sprinter is behind by one point in the
green jersey competition?

What is he to do, say "I'm going to score points in the mountains!"? Not going to happen.

The race will be over after the ITT.

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> "benjo maso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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leave

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> Mr. LVM-L Stalker/Name Butcher seems to think the second five-time TdF winner was Merck.

Stalker nah, name butcher not true. Merckx and Maso wasn't intentional. Second five time
winner... I don't where you get this stuff but if you

got

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anymore problems with me I guess we could get together and sort it out.

B-

In a Texas second, Tuff Guy?

I have had my ass kicked plenty of times, knifes and guns pulled on me. My best friend was navy
seal, his name was Joe Franco from Livingston California. We used to kick the [censored] out of each
other. I also trained another guy who was full contact fighter in Marines. I trained in Tae Kwon
Do, kick boxing and chinese arts for about 12 years. I'm not that tuff, at least not in Fresno.
I was second degree black, but i'm rusty now. I just don't deserve the constant [censored] from you
and I reacted.

Then have I got a guy you need to meet - he hangs out over on rec.skiing.alpine and it sounds like
you two are made for each other.

JP

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"Bruce Johnston" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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> > Mr. LVM-L Stalker/Name Butcher seems to think the second five-time

TdF

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> > winner was Merck.
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> Stalker nah, name butcher not true. Merckx and Maso wasn't

intentional.

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> Second five time winner... I don't where you get this stuff but if

you

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got

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> anymore problems with me I guess we could get together and sort it

out.

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In a Texas second, Tuff Guy?

I have had my ass kicked plenty of times, knifes and guns pulled on me.

My

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best friend was navy seal, his name was Joe Franco from Livingston California. We used to kick
the [censored] out of each other. I also trained another guy who was full contact fighter in Marines. I
trained in Tae

Kwon

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Do, kick boxing and chinese arts for about 12 years. I'm not that tuff,

at

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least not in Fresno. I was second degree black, but i'm rusty now. I just don't deserve the
constant [censored] from you and I reacted.

Then have I got a guy you need to meet - he hangs out over on rec.skiing.alpine and it sounds like
you two are made for each other.

I haven't fought in Karate Tournaments for a while. I am not up to the level of competition in my
division since I dislocated both knees several times in matches. I took up cycling for rehab back in
my 20's. We had plenty of black belts here to train with. I used to go Moores Karate quite a bit and
spar with their instructors. It does bother me when people constantly go around trashing the same
posters when they don't deserve it. I just speak out when they goat me into it. Pappy is probably
the nicest guy in this group and he takes the most [censored]. Why is that? I don't know but I do speak
out from time to time.

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> "benjo maso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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will

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leave

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five-time TdF

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> winner was Merck.

Stalker nah, name butcher not true. Merckx and Maso wasn't =

intentional.

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Second five time winner... I don't where you get this stuff but if =

you

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got

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anymore problems with me I guess we could get together and sort it =

out.

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B-

In a Texas second, Tuff Guy?

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I have had my ass kicked plenty of times, knifes and guns pulled on =

me. My

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best friend was navy seal, his name was Joe Franco from Livingston California. We used to kick the
[censored] out of each other. I also trained another guy who was full contact fighter in Marines. I
trained in Tae =

Kwon

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Do, kick boxing and chinese arts for about 12 years. I'm not that =

tuff, at

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least not in Fresno. I was second degree black, but i'm rusty now. I =

just

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don't deserve the constant [censored] from you and I reacted.
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My un-intentional name assassination verses your character =

assassination.

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Seems like there is a gauntlet, usually you or Henry. Why don't you =

two guys

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look into seeing if usenet would change the rules for RBR and then you =

guys

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could decide who enters or leaves RBR. Moderator, you and Henry can =

take

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turns. I mean really, what is the problem Carl? I don't go around =

trashing

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you like some do to Pappy. I happen to think Pappy is cool, he takes a =

lot

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of heat but he is never uncivil. Sorry Carl if I rubbed you the wrong =

way, I

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never meant to.
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Over the past year, I've called you a name butcher, long-winded, and a = stalker. If you consider
that constant, I can't help that.=20

Unintentional or not, you can't deny the name butchering:

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Here are some of your discussions about Leontien Zijlaard-Van Moorsel = (whose name you *never*
butcher) tinyurl.comhjfkOpen ↗

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IIRC, it was also said that you had been inquiring on a speed skating = newsgroup how to contact
her, but Google doesn't bring up anything.

BTW, someone (not Henry) emailed me regarding an earlier time when I = called you a stalker and said
that your mpg videos 'were creepy'.

Carl
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> one for = Masso.<BR>> >=20 > > ><BR>> > > >

<BR>> > > > > = Although=20 my name isn't Masso, I can answer the

question.<BR>> > > > = >=20 Benjo Maso<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > >

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<BR>> = > >=20 > We understand.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Mr. =

LVM-L=20 Stalker/Name Butcher seems to think the second five-time TdF<BR>> = > >=20 >
winner was Merck.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Stalker nah, = name=20 butcher not true.
Merckx and Maso wasn't intentional.<BR>> > > = Second=20 five time winner... I don't where
you get this stuff but if you<BR>>=20 got<BR>> > > anymore problems with me I guess we
could get = together and=20 sort it out.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > B-<BR>> > =

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<BR>>=20 > ><BR>> ><BR>> > In a Texas second, Tuff Guy?<BR>> =

<BR>> I have had my ass kicked plenty of times, knifes and guns = pulled on me.=20 My<BR>>
best friend was navy seal, his name was Joe Franco from=20 Livingston<BR>> California. We used to
kick the [censored] out of each = other. I=20 also trained<BR>> another guy who was full contact
fighter in = Marines. I=20 trained in Tae Kwon<BR>> Do, kick boxing and chinese arts for about =
12 years.=20 I'm not that tuff, at<BR>> least not in Fresno. I was second degree = black,=20 but
i'm rusty now. I just<BR>> don't deserve the constant [censored] from = you and I=20 reacted.<BR>>
<BR>> My un-intentional name assassination = verses your=20 character
assassination.<BR>> Seems like there is a gauntlet, usually = you or=20 Henry. Why don't you two
guys<BR>> look into seeing if usenet would = change=20 the rules for RBR and then you
guys<BR>> could decide who enters or = leaves=20 RBR. Moderator, you and Henry can take<BR>>
turns. I mean really, = what is the=20 problem Carl? I don't go around trashing<BR>> you like
some do to = Pappy. I=20 happen to think Pappy is cool, he takes a lot<BR>> of heat but he is =
never=20 uncivil. Sorry Carl if I rubbed you the wrong way, I<BR>> never meant =

to.<BR>> <BR>> B-<BR>> <BR></FONT></DIV>
<DVII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Over the past year, I've called you a = name butcher,=20
long-winded, and a stalker. If you consider that constant, I can't help = that.=20
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<DIX><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Unintentional or not, you can't deny = the name=20
butchering:</FONT></DIV>
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<DXIII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here are some of your discussions about = Leontien=20
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<DVI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>IIRC, it was also said that you had = been inquiring=20 on a
speed skating newsgroup how to contact her, but Google doesn't = bring up=20
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<DVIII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, someone (not Henry) emailed me = regarding an=20 earlier
time when I called you a stalker and said that your mpg videos = 'were=20
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Actually, last year we saw an attack on the yellow jersey on the champs elysees. By Rumsas
("My mother (-in-law) does more dope than I do"😉 but he broke more rules than just some
taditions, it seems.

Anyway, if the top three are still separated by less than 15 secs before the last stage, I guess we
will see some action. Flat stage or not.

But if the difference is bigger (as usual) the GC contenteder will prefer to say that they stick to
the tradition, because it sounds a lot nicer to say than "I don't have a chance to win"!

And now I have a completely different question for the cycling history geeks: What traditions and
rules were introduced in the Tour that were later used in almost every cyling race?

Some examples on top of my head:

- Was the Tour the first stage race? Or was it just the first national tour?
- Leader's Jersey
- Special classifications: points, KOM, young, team, etc
- Special jerseys for the above
- Flamme rouge (?)
- 1km crash rule (?)
- The last stage tradition mentionned above
- Mountain top finishes (?)
- Live TV / TV motos / TV copters (?)
- ITTs ? TTTs ?
- doping controls?
- Trade Teams (??)
- Teams of 9
- the publicity caravan
- the prologue
- criterium-type circuit finish
- "neutral" mechanical support
- team cars
- feed zones
- Wildcards :-)
- ...

I have seen all the statistics in which year was the first ITT, the first KOM jersey and such IN THE
TOUR, but I am wondering if it was the Tour that introduced all these things or did the tour
organizers copy also some stuff from other races?

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"Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Over the past year, I've called you a name butcher, long-winded, and a = stalker. If you consider
that constant, I can't help that.=20

<Not constant but why the sudden outburst now?

Unintentional or not, you can't deny the name butchering:

<No more then many who mispell a name or miss a letter. It's quite = common and when you are
distracted or in a hurry, it happens but rarely = does anyone make a federal case out of it.

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Here are some of your discussions about Leontien Zijlaard-Van Moorsel = (whose name you *never*
butcher) tinyurl.comhjfkOpen ↗

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IIRC, it was also said that you had been inquiring on a speed skating = newsgroup how to contact
her, but Google doesn't bring up anything.

<That's wrong or is someone else. I am not the only one with that name. = Johnson is extremely
common. Johnston is less common. I have never = inquired into a speed skating newsgroup. Why would
you want to seach for = that stuff anyway?=20

BTW, someone (not Henry) emailed me regarding an earlier time when I = called you a stalker and said
that your mpg videos 'were creepy'.

<Not at all, everyone has an opinion. I put together a clip one time in = a swf that was a slideshow
project I did in Photoshop class. All it was = were a bunch of LZ pics with some Enya music
background. Nothing weird = about it. They know me quite well at Farm Frites and they agreed to an =
interview here if they ever come to the US. I know a sports journalist = who wants that interview. I
sent them some videos from years ago of LZ = at the games in Spain. They had never seen the coverage
that was covered = here in the US. They returned the favor by sending me some stuff.

Carl
B. Johnston stalker

Drop the stalker stuff Carl, it's getting old and it's charcater = assassination on your part. I
don't go around chanting that you are an = old lame washed up Ex-Pro with a chip on his shoulders.
Who said that? = Nobody, and I don't like the insults either coming from you.

Chill a little...

Don't stir up trouble.

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<DV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Over the past year, I've called you a = name butcher,=20
long-winded, and a stalker. If you consider that constant, I can't help = that.=20
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<DVII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><Not constant but why the sudden = outburst=20
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<DIX><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Unintentional or not, you can't deny = the name=20
butchering:</FONT></DIV>
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<DXI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><No more then many who mispell a = name or miss a=20
letter. It's quite common and when you are distracted or in a hurry, it = happens=20 but
rarely does anyone make a federal case out of it.</FONT></DIV>
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href=3D"tinyurl.comhjfqOpen ↗">tinyurl.comhjfqOpen ↗</A></FONT></DIV>=

<DXX> </DIV>
<DXXI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>IIRC, it was also said that you had = been inquiring=20 on a
speed skating newsgroup how to contact her, but Google doesn't = bring up=20
anything.</FONT></DIV>
<DXXII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DXXIII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><That's wrong or is someone else. I = am not the=20 only
one with that name. Johnson is extremely common. Johnston is less = common. I=20 have
never inquired into a speed skating newsgroup. Why would you want = to seach=20 for that
stuff anyway? </FONT></DIV>
<DXXIV> </DIV>
<DXXV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, someone (not Henry) emailed me = regarding an=20 earlier
time when I called you a stalker and said that your mpg videos = 'were=20
creepy'.</FONT></DIV>
<DXXVI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DXXVII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><Not at all, everyone has an = opinion. I put=20 together a
clip one time in a swf that was a slideshow project = I did in=20 Photoshop class.
All it was were a bunch of LZ pics with some Enya music =

background. Nothing weird about it. They know me quite well at Farm = Frites and=20 they agreed to
an interview here if they ever come to the US. I know a = sports=20 journalist who wants that
interview. I sent them some videos from years = ago of=20 LZ at the games in Spain. They had never
seen the coverage that was = covered here=20 in the US. They returned the favor by sending me some =
stuff.</FONT></DIV>
<DXXVIII> </DIV>
<DXXIX><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Carl<BR>B. Johnston = stalker</FONT></DIV>
<DXXX><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DXXXI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Drop the stalker stuff Carl, it's = getting old and=20 it's
charcater assassination on your part. I don't go around chanting = that you=20 are
an old lame washed up Ex-Pro with a chip on his shoulders. = Who=20 said that?
Nobody, and I don't like the insults either=20 coming from
you.</FONT></DIV>
<DXXXII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DXXXIII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chill a little...</FONT></DIV>
<DXXXIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DXXXV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don't stir up trouble.</FONT></DIV>
<DXXXVI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DXXXVII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>B-</FONT></DIV>
<DXXXVIII> </DIV>
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Stewart Fleming said:

TdF tradition in recent years is that the final stage into Paris is a procession and that no
serious racing takes place until the Champs-Elysees. I'm writing this before the Luz-Ardiden
stage, but...

...if the prime German Sausage doesn't lose time up the final climb on stage 15 and is sitting 15s
down on Lance, then takes a few seconds more in the last ITT on stage 19, what could happen on the
last stage? Would US Postal break with tradition and force the race on the last stage?

On the last stage in 91, Lemond was something like 15' behind Indurain and went on a solo flyer,
arriving in Paris some 10 minutes ahead of the peleton. Within a couple of laps, they had reeled him
in and Indurain went on to win the overall.

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