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shinypenny said:

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/dec2006/fat_inside.html

Very interesting. Thanks.

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Yes, exercise is the way to get rid of this type of fat. Which (being
prediabetic) is a big reason why I exercise and don't just diet.

I was prediabetic for about a decade and then was classified as
diabetic. Fortunately, between diet, running, and medication, I've been
able to keep my readings in the very low range of diabetes.

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Crossing the starting line is 90%.
Crossing the finish line is the other 90%.

jen said:

And yesterday, while cleaning out my closets, I discovered an easier
way to gauge my progress!! I found a skirt that I used to wear back
during my body building/running days. I can zip it now, but it's not
quite what I'd call comfortable. When I can wear it comfortably
(another inch off my waist) I'll know that I'm back at my peak lowest
bf%.... whatever that number happens to be.

Yes, I think this is the best test.

Who cares what the BF% measurement is? Numbers, schmumbers... why
does our society not believe it's real if we can't attach a number to
something these days? Attention K-Mart Shoppers - it's the numbers
which are unreal and abstract. Reality is "how do my clothes fit" or
"how do I feel" or "how do I look".

Charlie Pendejo said:

jen said:

And yesterday, while cleaning out my closets, I discovered an easier
way to gauge my progress!! I found a skirt that I used to wear back
during my body building/running days. I can zip it now, but it's not
quite what I'd call comfortable. When I can wear it comfortably
(another inch off my waist) I'll know that I'm back at my peak lowest
bf%.... whatever that number happens to be.

Yes, I think this is the best test.

Who cares what the BF% measurement is? Numbers, schmumbers... why
does our society not believe it's real if we can't attach a number to
something these days? Attention K-Mart Shoppers - it's the numbers
which are unreal and abstract. Reality is "how do my clothes fit" or
"how do I feel" or "how do I look".

Not quite CP ...
Cholesterol & BP numbers are invisible killers ~ !

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Doug Freese wrote in article
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"Michelle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
steve common <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I dropped Higden's plans for my first marathon, despite his book
being the primary stimulus for wanting to run a marathon, cos the
daft [censored] asks you to run more than a marathon distance in
training.

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Steve, are you sure it was Higden and not Galloway? I don't remember
Hig being a big fan of extra long runs where Gal was often taken to the
wood pile. As A side bar, I was a fan of going past 26 in training but
never for the first time thoner.

I don't know about Higdon's ideas, but I did do a 27-mile run before my
first marathon, based on Galloway's ideas. IST recall that he backed
off that later, but I may be wrong. For shorter races I've always tried
to have a few runs longer than the race (never a problem except for half
marathons), but for all other marathons I ran shorter long runs, 22 or
24 miles at most and usually 18 to 20. I usually finished strong, but
not fast--mid packer overall and usually around 30th percentile in age
group.

Sort of aside to Michelle: I ran my PR 1/2 marathon at age 60, and PR
marathon at age 61, seventh in age group at Portland, OR (first marathon
was age 59). Hang in there! I like your attitude.
--
Don Kirkman

In article <[email hidden]>,

Don Kirkman said:

Sort of aside to Michelle: I ran my PR 1/2 marathon at age 60, and
PR marathon at age 61, seventh in age group at Portland, OR (first
marathon was age 59).

But how old were you when you started running?

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Hang in there! I like your attitude.

*blush* Thanks.

--
Crossing the starting line is 90%.
Crossing the finish line is the other 90%.

Twitty said:

Not quite CP ...
Cholesterol & BP numbers are invisible killers ~ !

Point taken... and yet, somehow I remain dubious it's the actual
numbers which are malicious. I'd think at most it's the actual globs
of cholesterol and the tangible pressure of the blood which are the
agents of destruction. (Even then, are they indicators rather than
agents? Or co-conspirators of mortality which require additional
puzzle pieces in place to finish the job? I dunno; I don't follow
this stuff any closer than I follow the exploits of Paris, Lindsay,
and Britney.)

Hell, I'm dubious about the "ideal numbers" being the same for
everyone anyhow. I have more faith in "ideal practices" than
measurements. I'd feel better about, well, feeling better in
conjunction with doing as well as I can on diet, exercise, sleep,
stress, et cetera than having my doctor approve of my numbers.

Or am I wrong? If I get my various numbers in order, will I cheat
death and live forever? And is that a goal I ought to be pursuing?
Sounds unnatural, inhuman, and downright ghastly to me.

P.S. Good to hear from you!

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Michelle wrote in article
<[email hidden]>:

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In article <[email hidden]>,
Don Kirkman <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Sort of aside to Michelle: I ran my PR 1/2 marathon at age 60, and
PR marathon at age 61, seventh in age group at Portland, OR (first
marathon was age 59).

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But how old were you when you started running?

Somewhere in my 50s, but sporadically. Steve Scott won my first two
10ks, and Jim Ryun took second in the second one; that was just around
the time Scott started his fantastic string of records, so it must have
been around 1978 or so when I would have been 50. I have the shirt
from the first, but there's no date on it, and my minimalist logs from
back then are scattered around somewhere.

My more regular running was after 1984 when I changed job locations and
was able to join up with a running group around mid 1985. With a
birthday late in the year I was about 57 then. My shirt collection
starts from 1986.

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Hang in there! I like your attitude.

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*blush* Thanks.

No blushes necessary. Us old starters have to stick together. :-)
--
Don Kirkman

Charlie Pendejo said:

Twitty said:

Not quite CP ...
Cholesterol & BP numbers are invisible killers ~ !

Point taken... and yet, somehow I remain dubious it's the actual
numbers which are malicious. I'd think at most it's the actual globs
of cholesterol and the tangible pressure of the blood which are the
agents of destruction. (Even then, are they indicators rather than
agents? Or co-conspirators of mortality which require additional
puzzle pieces in place to finish the job? I dunno; I don't follow
this stuff any closer than I follow the exploits of Paris, Lindsay,
and Britney.)

Hell, I'm dubious about the "ideal numbers" being the same for
everyone anyhow. I have more faith in "ideal practices" than
measurements. I'd feel better about, well, feeling better in
conjunction with doing as well as I can on diet, exercise, sleep,
stress, et cetera than having my doctor approve of my numbers.

Or am I wrong? If I get my various numbers in order, will I cheat
death and live forever? And is that a goal I ought to be pursuing?
Sounds unnatural, inhuman, and downright ghastly to me.

P.S. Good to hear from you!

Well, there are Prime Numbers ~
& then there's those Free Radicals ~ !

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Twittering One said:

Well, there are Prime Numbers ~

Just watch out for the subprime numbers; they're quite hazardous lately.

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& then there's those Free Radicals ~ !

It's time they got out of jail.

--
Crossing the starting line is 90%.
Crossing the finish line is the other 90%.

Doug Freese said:

Steve, are you sure it was Higden and not Galloway?

You right of course - it's Galloway, doh :-(

Nicholas Wolverson said:

That's interesting, as the plans on his website stop at 20 miles

See my reply to Doug. I goofed.

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On 2007-09-16, Doug Freese <[email hidden]> wrote:
If your caliper measurements indicate dropping numbers, chances are
you're
losing body fat.

Agree.

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Where people run into trouble is when they try to extrapolate how many
pounds
of fat and how many pounds of lean mass they have and then conclude
that it is
only "possible" to lose X pounds, because they "have Y pounds of fat".

Good clarification. If she really wants to know her fat %, at least as
a starting point, hydrostatic(unless there is some newer equally
accurate method/tool) method is best. From then on the calipers will
reflect change direction.

-Doug

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And then there are people who never exercise with normal or even
underweight BMIs, but a body scan will show that they are "skinny
fat"
with lots of fat in and around the organs and muscles.

Those people are not terribly athletic (the only way to become
athletic is to
do some exercise), but they are not obese or dangerously fat either.

My understanding is that fat around the organs is far more dangerous
than fat under the skin.

Check this out:
http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/dec2006/fat_inside.html

Yes, exercise is the way to get rid of this type of fat. Which (being
prediabetic) is a big reason why I exercise and don't just diet.

Good adjustment although sorry about the disappearance of your butt. 🙂

This is the misconception by people, obviously not here, that appearing
thin implies they are healthy and the corollary, being fat means
unhealthy. There is a significant number of underweight people that
undergo bypass surgery.

The obvious monster BMI's( non - body builder) are in deep [censored]. Then
there is a set of people that appear big yet exercise. Show up at an
ultra race and be amazed at some big guys that finish 50k to 100 miles,
hauling around what looks like a lot of body. Now mind you, they are
slow. Could they be healthier sure, but not a bad a physical appearance
would suggest.

Naturally thin people that do no exercise are not poster people of
health. Besides the fat around the organs the heart is an organ made of
muscle, and like any muscle that gets little use, it atrophies over
time. Plaque also builds up in skinny folks just as well as fat so good
eating habits crosses all of us.

-Doug

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According to my friend, eating or drinking carbs right before or
during
the beginning of a run will get the body expecting them, and shutting
down the fat burning cycle.

I don't know if that's true. If anything, I've been under the
impression that running on an empty stomach increases your chances of
burning muscle.

Ask a 100 people and your 90 different answers to pre-race food and
fluid. The science that her friend touts is simply myth along with girls
ovaries falling out.

If one is going to be running a race pushing their heart race toward
their anarobic rate, food in the stomach is useless as food digestion is
close to nill.

Assuming a person is running a lot slower, as your heart rate says not
your pace compare to others, digestion continues quite nicely. The
question each person has to discover is how does food in their gut
behave. The best way to find out where one fits is to try it in
training. For a 3 hour half, I think some calories in you stomach before
you start will help. Whether to eat 4 hours or 4 seconds before the
start of race is part of the experimentaion.

For my races, if I don't get significant calories from rea food or high
carb fluids(and I don't mean gatorade or powerade garbage) I get to
choose my color body bag.

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Gatorade while running gives me stomach cramps.

Gatorade has fructose and does irritate a lot of people. This can be a
real [censored] if it's the sport drink in an endurance event and you need
to find some alternate. I OD'ed on Gatorade many years ago and one
swallow and I start to gag. I'm lucky, most of my races use a
maltodextrin based drink. For the one race that I do, which does serve
Gatorade I carry small packets of Cytomax and mix my own on the fly or
use just water but making sure I get my calories from the food. I
usually have a 12 course breakfast before my races so I'm well stocked
before my first step.

As for fluids, drink before, during and after. Fat burning is more about
pace and training then ingestion.

-Doug

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So we buy Haagen Daz by the quart... I get a few meager spoonfuls and
he eats the rest of the container. :-(

But your cuter! 🙂

-D