Potholes

Anthony wrote on 11/03/2007 13:03 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Do you think these are dangerous to cyclists or pedestrians? All
these pictures were taken in central Ipswich.

http://futurebydesign-music.com/blog/?p=41

I have got better things to do with my time, honest - it's just that a
couple of them caught me by surprise when I was cycling.

What do you think of the road conditions in your area? Anything as
bad as this, or worse?

Dangerous, no unless you are on an A-bike (how are they doing by the
way?) but uncomfortable to ride over, yes.

--
Tony

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(') said:

Do you think these are dangerous to cyclists or pedestrians? All
these pictures were taken in central Ipswich.

http://futurebydesign-music.com/blog/?p=41

I have got better things to do with my time, honest - it's just that a
couple of them caught me by surprise when I was cycling.

What do you think of the road conditions in your area? Anything as
bad as this, or worse?

To be perfectly honest, when I see potholes of that severity, I think 'I'm
glad my council is spending my money on things like social services and
education and not squandering it on over-pristine roads'.

Yes, we /can/ have perfect roads. But they're extremely expensive to
maintain, and in a country with as much poverty as we have, is it good use
of public funds?

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Simon Brooke said:

Yes, we /can/ have perfect roads. But they're extremely expensive to
maintain, and in a country with as much poverty as we have, is it good use
of public funds?

Poverty? Where?

I am utterly astounded just how much we working types pay to allow
others to stay in idleness.

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:40:25 +0000

Al C-F said:

Simon Brooke said:

Yes, we /can/ have perfect roads. But they're extremely expensive to
maintain, and in a country with as much poverty as we have, is it
good use of public funds?

Poverty? Where?

Amongst those who have nothing, but reject idleness, and with
it the entitlement to benefits for the idle.

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I am utterly astounded just how much we working types pay to allow
others to stay in idleness.

Indeed. Especially those who are property owners, and thus far
richer than working people on middle and even well-above-average
(including higher rate tax) incomes but without wealth.

--
not me guv

"Anthony" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Do you think these are dangerous to cyclists or pedestrians? All
these pictures were taken in central Ipswich.

http://futurebydesign-music.com/blog/?p=41

I have got better things to do with my time, honest - it's just that a
couple of them caught me by surprise when I was cycling.

What do you think of the road conditions in your area? Anything as
bad as this, or worse?

None of them are particularly bad, IMO.

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Anthony

(') said:

Do you think these are dangerous to cyclists or pedestrians? All
these pictures were taken in central Ipswich.

Quoted message said:

http://futurebydesign-music.com/blog/?p=41

Quoted message said:

I have got better things to do with my time, honest - it's just that a
couple of them caught me by surprise when I was cycling.

Quoted message said:

What do you think of the road conditions in your area? Anything as
bad as this, or worse?

To be perfectly honest, when I see potholes of that severity, I think 'I'm
glad my council is spending my money on things like social services and
education and not squandering it on over-pristine roads'.

Yes, we /can/ have perfect roads. But they're extremely expensive to
maintain, and in a country with as much poverty as we have, is it good use
of public funds?

I don't see poverty in this country either, compared to other
countries we are rather well off. Where my parents come from there is
no state help, if you don't work you don't eat.

Isn't it a false dichotomy to say either social services and education
OR maintenance of public roads? The majority of us pay some
combination of income tax, community charge, road tax so I don't think
the government is short of funds. To me it seems in recent years the
more the government takes in one way or another, the LESS service it
provides.

Then I heard recently that some members of parliment were considering
a license scheme for cyclists! If I were charged money to get some
kind of cycling license I wonder what on earth I would be paying for.
The government goes on about a green agenda, and the politicians do
their little bit by giving the media a chance to see them cycling for
public display, but do they put their money where there mouths are? I
don't think so.

I believe that more people would cycle if there were better conditions
for cyclists on the roads. As it is there are filthy huge puddles
because people can't lay tarmac straight, glass most noticeably in the
cycle lanes, and potholes which are fine for cars, but I think a
danger to both cyclists and pedestrians. Think about it, congestion
charges are being considered in other cities other than London, plus
road tolling in other areas, what would happen with all this money? I
just feel that the governement is milking the public like suckers and
we aint getting much in return.

in message <[email hidden]>, Anthony

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Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>,
Anthony

(') said:

Do you think these are dangerous to cyclists or pedestrians? All
these pictures were taken in central Ipswich.

Quoted message said:

http://futurebydesign-music.com/blog/?p=41

Quoted message said:

I have got better things to do with my time, honest - it's just that a
couple of them caught me by surprise when I was cycling.

Quoted message said:

What do you think of the road conditions in your area? Anything as
bad as this, or worse?

To be perfectly honest, when I see potholes of that severity, I think
'I'm glad my council is spending my money on things like social services
and education and not squandering it on over-pristine roads'.

Yes, we /can/ have perfect roads. But they're extremely expensive to
maintain, and in a country with as much poverty as we have, is it good
use of public funds?

I don't see poverty in this country either, compared to other
countries we are rather well off. Where my parents come from there is
no state help, if you don't work you don't eat.

There is one family with children at the primary school in this village who
are living in a tent, and another who are living in a garden shed. Yes, in
winter. If that isn't poverty, I'd like to see your definition of it.

--
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who are now possible remain possible -- Michael Bakunin

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Quoted message said:

Isn't it a false dichotomy to say either social services and education
OR maintenance of public roads? The majority of us pay some
combination of income tax, community charge, road tax so I don't think
the government is short of funds.

I wouldn't be so sure. How many billions do they need to find to pay for
the olympics on top of the normal spending? I think it was 10 at the last
count.

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On 11/03/2007 13:03, Anthony said,

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http://futurebydesign-music.com/blog/?p=41

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What do you think of the road conditions in your area? Anything as
bad as this, or worse?

Most of those look fairly tame - I wish roads here were as good as yours.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Anthony said:

Do you think these are dangerous to cyclists or pedestrians? All
these pictures were taken in central Ipswich.

http://futurebydesign-music.com/blog/?p=41

I have got better things to do with my time, honest - it's just that a
couple of them caught me by surprise when I was cycling.

What do you think of the road conditions in your area? Anything as
bad as this, or worse?

We have much bigger ones round Swindon.

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Quoted message said:

Do you think these are dangerous to cyclists or pedestrians? All
these pictures were taken in central Ipswich.

http://futurebydesign-music.com/blog/?p=41

I have got better things to do with my time, honest - it's just that a
couple of them caught me by surprise when I was cycling.

What do you think of the road conditions in your area? Anything as
bad as this, or worse?

My commuting route has a few annoyances like badly set drain covers, but
each imperfection in the road is subconciously memorised so that I avoid
them without thinking.

cheers adrian www.boliston.co.uk

Simon Brooke wrote on 11/03/2007 20:02 +0100:

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There is one family with children at the primary school in this village who
are living in a tent, and another who are living in a garden shed. Yes, in
winter. If that isn't poverty, I'd like to see your definition of it.

Has your compassion offered them your spare room?

--
Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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Simon Brooke said:

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Anthony

([email hidden]'😉 wrote:
> Do you think these are dangerous to cyclists or pedestrians? All
> these pictures were taken in central Ipswich.

>http://futurebydesign-music.com/blog/?p=41

> I have got better things to do with my time, honest - it's just that a
> couple of them caught me by surprise when I was cycling.

> What do you think of the road conditions in your area? Anything as
> bad as this, or worse?

To be perfectly honest, when I see potholes of that severity, I think
'I'm glad my council is spending my money on things like social services
and education and not squandering it on over-pristine roads'.

Yes, we /can/ have perfect roads. But they're extremely expensive to
maintain, and in a country with as much poverty as we have, is it good
use of public funds?

I don't see poverty in this country either, compared to other
countries we are rather well off. Where my parents come from there is
no state help, if you don't work you don't eat.

There is one family with children at the primary school in this village
who
are living in a tent, and another who are living in a garden shed. Yes, in
winter. If that isn't poverty, I'd like to see your definition of it.

Why are they living in a tent? At a guess it'll either be a) because the
govt won't let anyone build houses, so house prices are ridiculous, or b)
the local govt are useless and can't allocate them a council house.

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Simon Brooke wrote on 11/03/2007 20:02 +0100:

Quoted message said:

There is one family with children at the primary school in this village
who are living in a tent, and another who are living in a garden shed.
Yes, in winter. If that isn't poverty, I'd like to see your definition
of it.

Has your compassion offered them your spare room?

No, it hasn't.

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Anthony (') said:

On 11 Mar, 13:40, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Yes, we /can/ have perfect roads. But they're extremely expensive to
> maintain, and in a country with as much poverty as we have, is it good
> use of public funds?

I don't see poverty in this country either, compared to other
countries we are rather well off. Where my parents come from there is
no state help, if you don't work you don't eat.

There is one family with children at the primary school in this village
who
are living in a tent, and another who are living in a garden shed. Yes,
in winter. If that isn't poverty, I'd like to see your definition of it.

Why are they living in a tent? At a guess it'll either be a) because the
govt won't let anyone build houses, so house prices are ridiculous, or b)
the local govt are useless and can't allocate them a council house.

(a).

However, building more houses really isn't going to solve the problem,
since the problem is the disparity of wealth between urban and remote
rural areas. You could cover the countryside with houses, and there would
still be white settlers willing to pay more than the local economy will
support for them.

--
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Morning had broken. I found a rather battered tube of Araldite
resin in the bottom of the toolbag.

Simon Brooke said:

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Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>,
Anthony

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([email hidden]'😉 wrote:
> Do you think these are dangerous to cyclists or pedestrians? All
> these pictures were taken in central Ipswich.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>http://futurebydesign-music.com/blog/?p=41

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I have got better things to do with my time, honest - it's just that a
> couple of them caught me by surprise when I was cycling.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> What do you think of the road conditions in your area? Anything as
> bad as this, or worse?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

To be perfectly honest, when I see potholes of that severity, I think
'I'm glad my council is spending my money on things like social services
and education and not squandering it on over-pristine roads'.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yes, we /can/ have perfect roads. But they're extremely expensive to
maintain, and in a country with as much poverty as we have, is it good
use of public funds?

Quoted message said:

I don't see poverty in this country either, compared to other
countries we are rather well off. Where my parents come from there is
no state help, if you don't work you don't eat.

There is one family with children at the primary school in this village who
are living in a tent, and another who are living in a garden shed. Yes, in
winter. If that isn't poverty, I'd like to see your definition of it.

--
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who are now possible remain possible -- Michael Bakunin- Hide quoted text -

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Simon,

Yes you are right, there is poverty in this country, BUT compared to
other countries the vast majority of us are well off. Generally, we
have the state help us out if we are in need, not everywhere has that
luxury. Remember also what we can earn in a day, it takes other
people a month to earn in some other countries.

On 11 Mar, 20:24, "naked_draughtsman" <[email hidden]>

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Isn't it a false dichotomy to say either social services and education
OR maintenance of public roads? The majority of us pay some
combination of income tax, community charge, road tax so I don't think
the government is short of funds.

I wouldn't be so sure. How many billions do they need to find to pay for
the olympics on top of the normal spending? I think it was 10 at the last
count.

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Peter,

I think this shows innefficiency and beaurocracy, mismanagement and
possibly even corruption. I don't know if you saw the program on
quite a while ago about the olympics (could have been a Panorama
special), some countries spent so much on the olympics to host it but
gained very little in return in relation to their initial outlay.
Realistically, it seems the government always is underestimating the
consts of the things it wants to do, a business CEO in a company would
mostl likely be sacked for that kind of misjudgement.

Well I am suprised at some of the feedback here, I though these
examples were quite bad!

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Quoted message said:

There is one family with children at the primary school in this
village who are living in a tent, and another who are living in a
garden shed. Yes, in winter. If that isn't poverty, I'd like to see
your definition of it.

ISTR reading in "Sounds" circa 1978 that Judas Priest guitarist Glenn Tipton
+ family were living in a tent which, the rag commented, made him the most
street-credible musician in the country.

However, this state of affairs was due to the builders being a bit slow at
putting his 17th century farmhouse back together.

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
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