poo!

Bleve said:

It's a great day for riding ... but I have to be out at Victoria
Uni this evening supervising a VO2max/lactate test on one of
the lads, so I had to ride the motorbike ... Poo. Not enough hours
in the day.

Lots of bikes commuting today along St kilda rd, including the
[censored] redlight shooters - 3 of 'em, straight through
a pedestrian light *while* peds were crossing. I
can understand (and do myself!) shooting a red at night
or in the middle of nowhere if the pushbike hasn't tripped
a mag sensor in the road, but this is quite a different thing ..
I did suggest to one of them that he pay attention to the road
rules .. fat chance it'll make a difference ..

Further Poo, Cam (HCC, one of the lads who was in the crash at the
HCC club champs) has a dislocated shoulder, will be off the bike
for "some time".

But, it was a good race at Glenvale on Sunday, clean racing, only
one loony swerver (some git in BikeNow kit that needs a bollocking!)
in the B grade field, and it felt good to actually *finish* a
race - I DNF'd at Crib Pt on Saturday, ending a dismal road season
in the most appropriate and consistant way I could!
Next year ....

Good to hear that there were no crashes at Glenvale, particularly being the first crit of the season.

I don't like those people who run red lights at crossings either. They [censored] me to tears especially when I'm waiting at a crossing and they zip right past me. I don't know why but it makes me feel embarrassed infront of the motorists also waiting.

jazmo said:

Good to hear that there were no crashes at Glenvale, particularly being
the first crit of the season.

Yeah. There wasn't too many chumps (B grade legs, E grade
brains) in the bunch. 51 I think rode B grade.

Quoted message said:

I don't like those people who run red lights at crossings either. They
[censored] me to tears especially when I'm waiting at a crossing and they zip
right past me. I don't know why but it makes me feel embarrassed infront
of the motorists also waiting.

Likewise.

jazmo said:

I don't like those people who run red lights at crossings either. They
[censored] me to tears especially when I'm waiting at a crossing and they zip
right past me. I don't know why but it makes me feel embarrassed infront
of the motorists also waiting.

This depresses me. In Perth, I find this is the norm for commuters,
footpath riders and Discovery Channel team types alike. I cannot
remember the last time that someone else came up beside me whilst
waiting for a traffic light, and waited too. And on the occasions when I've
said something, I've copped the same sort of attitude/abuse that I get from
motorists who've done the wrong thing, but won't admit it.

I think the only way to fix this is if the law is actually enforced.
With motorists, they have the threat of red light cameras, point loss
etc as motivation to not break the law. Yeah yeah, they all still break
the law, but I can't remember the last time a car came up beside me
whilst waiting at a red, and the proceeded through..

Let's face it, many studies have shown that a surprising mumber of people
admit that they would break the law, and even commit some quite serious
crimes if they were absolutely sure they'd get away with it.

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..dt

dtmeister said:

I think the only way to fix this is if the law is actually enforced.

Agreed.

RFID tags in the BB shell, sensors in the road. Will nick cars,
bikes, motorbikes .. the lot. Cheap, easy ...

"Bleve" wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

Yeah. There wasn't too many chumps (B grade legs, E grade
brains) in the bunch. 51 I think rode B grade.

51 in B grade!! wholly [censored]... I guess anyone can sit on and get sucked
along on that course 🙂

cheers,
GPL

GPLama said:

"
51 in B grade!! wholly [censored]... I guess anyone can sit on and get sucked
along on that course 🙂

cheers,
GPL

yeah, but they can still count on suckers like you to lead out 😄

F"low-blow"Dutch

GPLama said:

"Bleve" wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

Yeah. There wasn't too many chumps (B grade legs, E grade
brains) in the bunch. 51 I think rode B grade.

51 in B grade!! wholly [censored]... I guess anyone can sit on and get sucked
along on that course 🙂

Nice theory. You'd think that of any flat course, but less than 51
finished. Corner, accelerate, surge. Repeat.

Some crits last summer had 80-odd in A and B (same course
at the same time, 160-odd riders). Chaos ... hopefully this
season CCCC will limit entries to saner (and safer) numbers.

"flyingdutch" wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

yeah, but they can still count on suckers like you to lead out 😄

F"low-blow"Dutch

ahhaha.... if only that white line was closer to where I (was) finished 😉

The highlights of my day were: Talking to the little under 13 kid who was
there with his mum before the race, he was so excited to be there and
competing.. and after the stack, talking Mat into continuing on with us to
get his mind off the incident.. Craig had bounced off his arm and he was
feeling totally bummed about it all...

Lowlight: getting my picture taken on the way home... which I'll be getting
a letter in the mail about in a few weeks I'm sure.. 🙂

cheers,
GPL
:just another commo hoon:

Bleve said:

dtmeister said:

I think the only way to fix this is if the law is actually enforced.

Agreed.

RFID tags in the BB shell, sensors in the road. Will nick cars,
bikes, motorbikes .. the lot. Cheap, easy ...

Actually, why wouldn't that work? Bicycles become registered - you pay,
say $20 per year, maybe more because you'd have to support the admin
system. You get a plastic RFID tag (bright colour, easy to see
if you don't have one, colour changes each year) which is zip tied to
a standard area like a chainstay (ala TdF).

You then begin a program of rolling out RFID transponders to traffic
lights etc. In a similar fashion to the red light cameras, you can't be
sure which lights have them and which don't. So you don't have to do
them all.

Comments?

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..dt

dtmeister said:

Quoted message said:

RFID tags in the BB shell, sensors in the road. Will nick cars,
bikes, motorbikes .. the lot. Cheap, easy ...

Actually, why wouldn't that work? Bicycles become registered - you pay,
say $20 per year, maybe more because you'd have to support the admin
system. You get a plastic RFID tag (bright colour, easy to see
if you don't have one, colour changes each year) which is zip tied to
a standard area like a chainstay (ala TdF).

You then begin a program of rolling out RFID transponders to traffic
lights etc. In a similar fashion to the red light cameras, you can't be
sure which lights have them and which don't. So you don't have to do
them all.

Comments?

Actually, I can think of a few of course. Discourage cycling for those
who don't do it often, how do you deal with kids and the costs etc. This
could turn into a helmet type debate. Oops. 😉

If you could get the price down to $5 or $10 a year, it might work.
However it would have to run at a loss..

--
..dt

On 2005-10-03, dtmeister (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

jazmo said:

I don't like those people who run red lights at crossings either. They
[censored] me to tears especially when I'm waiting at a crossing and they zip
right past me. I don't know why but it makes me feel embarrassed infront
of the motorists also waiting.

This depresses me. In Perth, I find this is the norm for commuters,
footpath riders and Discovery Channel team types alike. I cannot
remember the last time that someone else came up beside me whilst
waiting for a traffic light, and waited too. And on the occasions when I've
said something, I've copped the same sort of attitude/abuse that I get from
motorists who've done the wrong thing, but won't admit it.

On my way to Cr*tic?l M?s*, Friday, I overtook a guy riding slowly
towards the city. In my rearview, I noticed that he had grabbed my
wheel, so we hurtled along Barkers road before it deviated and became
Flinders.

A light turned red, so I yelled out "stopping", and slowed down. The
guy behind also stops at the red, and says "geez mate, you made that a
lot easier for me".

He says "going to CM?". Indeed. So two left wing hippies, about to
break countless laws on the CM, stopped at a red, which is one of
those roads that just deviates to the left, and if we wanted to break
the law, we could completely safely just wander on over to the left.

But the two hippies sit there waiting for the green like good little
peopums.

Teh Enb.

--
TimC
Oooh, Look! Shiny New Thing! -- TimC

On 2005-10-03, Bleve (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

dtmeister said:

I think the only way to fix this is if the law is actually enforced.

Agreed.

RFID tags in the BB shell, sensors in the road. Will nick cars,
bikes, motorbikes .. the lot. Cheap, easy ...

Privacy violating 🙂

Damn, I should really stop reading RISKS and go do me thesis or
something 🙂

--
TimC
Modus Ponens in action:
- Nothing is better than world peace.
- A turkey sandwich is better than nothing.
==> Ergo, a turkey sandwich is better than world peace. --unknown

On 2005-10-03, dtmeister (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

dtmeister said:

You then begin a program of rolling out RFID transponders to traffic
lights etc. In a similar fashion to the red light cameras, you can't be
sure which lights have them and which don't. So you don't have to do
them all.

Comments?

Actually, I can think of a few of course. Discourage cycling for those
who don't do it often, how do you deal with kids and the costs etc. This
could turn into a helmet type debate. Oops. 😉

If you could get the price down to $5 or $10 a year, it might work.
However it would have to run at a loss..

It is easy to destroy an RFID chip in such a way as to make it not
appear to be damaged to a visual inspection. In extreme
circumstances, this could happen via natural phenomenon, so if you
were to fit all police cars with devices to check whether RFID chips
were working, it would be very unfair to fine someone for having a
broken RFID chip.

Furthermore, equipment failures happen. You would have to rig up
cameras to each traffic light, that has view of both the cyclist and
the lights, to verify that indeed the cyclist is travelling through
the light illegally, since otherwise, there is absolutely no audit
possibilities or other safegaurds against wrongfully issued fines.

What about theft? If I wanted to go on a "rampage of scaring the [censored]
out of motorists", I'd steal someone's RFID, put it on my bike, and if
I get pulled over, well, I have an RFID on me, and if I don't, fines
get issued to the guy who's RFID I stole.

--
TimC

Quoted message said:

Time is nature's way of making sure that everything doesn't
happen at once.

And space is so that it doesn't all happen to you.
-- Matthew L. Martin and John D Salt in ARK

TimC said:

Privacy violating 🙂

Erm, you mean like number plates on cars? How do you know that those
cameras aren't taking photos (sans flash) as a matter of course? Disk is
cheap, you could take a photo a second for months if you wanted.

--
..dt

TimC said:

It is easy to destroy an RFID chip in such a way as to make it not
appear to be damaged to a visual inspection. In extreme
circumstances, this could happen via natural phenomenon, so if you
were to fit all police cars with devices to check whether RFID chips
were working, it would be very unfair to fine someone for having a
broken RFID chip.

Yes, and no. You can fsck around with the number plates on cars, and
yes, this does actually happen sometimes. Still, I think you could
make a pretty hardy, hard-to-damage package given the size of a RFID
tag. These issues could be mostly overcome by good design, but point
taken.

Quoted message said:

Furthermore, equipment failures happen. You would have to rig up
cameras to each traffic light, that has view of both the cyclist and
the lights, to verify that indeed the cyclist is travelling through
the light illegally, since otherwise, there is absolutely no audit
possibilities or other safegaurds against wrongfully issued fines.

Use the camera that's already their for motorists!

Quoted message said:

What about theft? If I wanted to go on a "rampage of scaring the [censored]
out of motorists", I'd steal someone's RFID, put it on my bike, and if
I get pulled over, well, I have an RFID on me, and if I don't, fines
get issued to the guy who's RFID I stole.

Similar to cars - sometimes happens, but not very often. Risk of being
out and about and stuff.

I still think cost would be the major problem.

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..dt

dtmeister said:

dtmeister said:

Quoted message said:

RFID tags in the BB shell, sensors in the road. Will nick cars,
bikes, motorbikes .. the lot. Cheap, easy ...

Actually, why wouldn't that work? Bicycles become registered - you pay,
say $20 per year, maybe more because you'd have to support the admin
system. You get a plastic RFID tag (bright colour, easy to see
if you don't have one, colour changes each year) which is zip tied to
a standard area like a chainstay (ala TdF).

You then begin a program of rolling out RFID transponders to traffic
lights etc. In a similar fashion to the red light cameras, you can't be
sure which lights have them and which don't. So you don't have to do
them all.

Comments?

Actually, I can think of a few of course. Discourage cycling for those
who don't do it often, how do you deal with kids and the costs etc. This
could turn into a helmet type debate. Oops. 😉

If you could get the price down to $5 or $10 a year, it might work.
However it would have to run at a loss..

As with everything, there's plusses & minuses. I think something
like this is inevitable. Car licence plates are a throwback to
1920. They're already being replaced by etags (expensive and
clunky technology). They're also trivially easy to forge and steal.
RFID or similar will sooner or later replace the
lot. Something like this will end up on everything ... whether we
like it or not. Personally, I'd love an RFID tag on my roady,
and a way of tracking it - if it gets stolen and the thief rides it
over a sensor - *bing* gotcha ... Of course, a sophisticated thief
could pull the BB to bits and remove the RFID tag, or get it out of the
seat tube/chainstay/wherever it's wedged (with a hacksaw ...) but then
the bike
would be useless for anything except parts.

Then, there's the Orwellian issues ... swings & roundabouts, where do
you
draw the line etc ... and the hacks to defeat them (faraday cages
around
the RFID tag to shield it etc - pass my tinfoil hat, pa...). No
technology
is perfect, no solution is 100% and there's always some exceptions.
But
if all we ever did was refuse to implement anything that wasn't 100%
effective,
we'd still be monkeys, and monkeys don't ride bicycles very well.

On 2005-10-03, Bleve (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

But
if all we ever did was refuse to implement anything that wasn't 100%
effective,
we'd still be monkeys, and monkeys don't ride bicycles very well.

Are you sure about that?

They apparently, in the wild, use sticks to gauge depth of a creek
crossing, so I wouldn't be surprised if they can race road bikes.

I wonder if they prefer campy or shimano?

--
TimC

Quoted message said:

As you know, Linus took the word the penguins kept saying over and
over again, rot13'ed it, and used that as the name of his OS.

So, who's going to record this .au file:
"Hello, my name is Yvahf Gbeinyqf, and I pronounce yvahk, yvahk."
-- Anthony de Boer && Michel Buijsman in ASR

TimC said:

On 2005-10-03, Bleve (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

But
if all we ever did was refuse to implement anything that wasn't 100%
effective,
we'd still be monkeys, and monkeys don't ride bicycles very well.

Are you sure about that?

They apparently, in the wild, use sticks to gauge depth of a creek
crossing, so I wouldn't be surprised if they can race road bikes.

I think they'd be triatheletes. Not the same thing at all.

Then again, chimps and bonobos do have some pretty well developed
social skills, maybe you're right ...

Quoted message said:

I wonder if they prefer campy or shimano?

Suntour!

quote='dtmeister'Bleve said:

dtmeister said:

I think the only way to fix this is if the law is actually enforced.

Agreed.

RFID tags in the BB shell, sensors in the road. Will nick cars,
bikes, motorbikes .. the lot. Cheap, easy ...

Actually, why wouldn't that work? Bicycles become registered - you pay,
say $20 per year, maybe more because you'd have to support the admin
system. You get a plastic RFID tag (bright colour, easy to see
if you don't have one, colour changes each year) which is zip tied to
a standard area like a chainstay (ala TdF).

You then begin a program of rolling out RFID transponders to traffic
lights etc. In a similar fashion to the red light cameras, you can't be
sure which lights have them and which don't. So you don't have to do
them all.

Comments?

--
..dt[/QUOTE]
Should we start the list now? - top 10 ways to disable an RFID tag -

1. punch a nail through the spot 2mm in from the corner;
2. run over the little sucker in the Landcrusher;
3. give it a little 'squeeze' in the vise;
4. boil it for 25 minutes in hot salted water (pasta optional);
5. run it through a really strong magnetic field so the electronics stuff up;
6. split the housing, remove the guts and glue it back together;
7.
8.
9.
10.

SteveA