poo!

SteveA said:

Quoted message said:

..dt

Should we start the list now? - top 10 ways to disable an RFID tag -

1. punch a nail through the spot 2mm in from the corner;
2. run over the little sucker in the Landcrusher;
3. give it a little 'squeeze' in the vise;
4. boil it for 25 minutes in hot salted water (pasta optional);
5. run it through a really strong magnetic field so the electronics
stuff up;
6. split the housing, remove the guts and glue it back together;

11. Warning, your RFID tag is rugged device. However under certain
conditions (eg deliberate tampering), your RFID tag may release a
fine plutonium mist. We recommend you avoid breathing this mist, this
is best achieved by fscking leaving it alone.

--
..dt

On 2005-10-03, SteveA (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Should we start the list now? - top 10 ways to disable an RFID tag -

1. punch a nail through the spot 2mm in from the corner;
2. run over the little sucker in the Landcrusher;
3. give it a little 'squeeze' in the vise;
4. boil it for 25 minutes in hot salted water (pasta optional);
5. run it through a really strong magnetic field so the electronics
stuff up;
6. split the housing, remove the guts and glue it back together;
7.
8.
9.
10.

SteveA

Duh. 7. Microwave.

I don't beleive you forgot the most fundamental method of disable
RFID.

--
TimC
An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all possible worlds. A
pessimist fears this is true. --unknown

TimC said:

On 2005-10-03, SteveA (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Should we start the list now? - top 10 ways to disable an RFID tag -

1. punch a nail through the spot 2mm in from the corner;
2. run over the little sucker in the Landcrusher;
3. give it a little 'squeeze' in the vise;
4. boil it for 25 minutes in hot salted water (pasta optional);
5. run it through a really strong magnetic field so the electronics
stuff up;
6. split the housing, remove the guts and glue it back together;
7.
8.
9.
10.

SteveA

Duh. 7. Microwave.

I don't beleive you forgot the most fundamental method of disable
RFID.

Thrash about as much as you like. If the RFID tag is inserted
somewhere within the bike that is impossible to remove and
very difficult to damage without
breaking the bike, then most of these attacks would be moot.

Here's some scenarios :

Manufacturer inserts RFID tag in chainstays near dropouts, bonded to
the
inner tube of the stay, during the layup of the material.

Aftermarket RFID tag in a wedge capsule, inserted into seat tube.

It can't be made impossible to disable or damage, but you can
make it decidedly non-trivial.

dtmeister said:

jazmo said:

I don't like those people who run red lights at crossings either. They
[censored] me to tears especially when I'm waiting at a crossing and they zip
right past me. I don't know why but it makes me feel embarrassed infront
of the motorists also waiting.

This depresses me. In Perth, I find this is the norm for commuters,
footpath riders and Discovery Channel team types alike. I cannot
remember the last time that someone else came up beside me whilst
waiting for a traffic light, and waited too. And on the occasions when I've
said something, I've copped the same sort of attitude/abuse that I get from
motorists who've done the wrong thing, but won't admit it.

I think the only way to fix this is if the law is actually enforced.
With motorists, they have the threat of red light cameras, point loss
etc as motivation to not break the law. Yeah yeah, they all still break
the law, but I can't remember the last time a car came up beside me
whilst waiting at a red, and the proceeded through..

Let's face it, many studies have shown that a surprising mumber of people
admit that they would break the law, and even commit some quite serious
crimes if they were absolutely sure they'd get away with it.

This suprises you? Unlike Lotte I would only cull out a few if I was
sure of escape but it would certainly be more than it currently is 🙂

Fairly sure its why evil ex became a copper too 🙂 (well ok thats in my
very biased opinion )

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> "dtmeister" == dtmeister <[email hidden]> writes:

dtmeister> Actually, why wouldn't that work? Bicycles become
dtmeister> registered - you pay, say $20 per year, maybe more
dtmeister> because you'd have to support the admin system. You get a
dtmeister> plastic RFID tag (bright colour, easy to see if you don't
dtmeister> have one, colour changes each year) which is zip tied to
dtmeister> a standard area like a chainstay (ala TdF).

dtmeister> You then begin a program of rolling out RFID transponders
dtmeister> to traffic lights etc. In a similar fashion to the red
dtmeister> light cameras, you can't be sure which lights have them
dtmeister> and which don't. So you don't have to do them all.

dtmeister> Comments?

The obvious is what problem in society are you trying to solve? Do
cyclists running reds actually cost society anything?

I've not seen any studies which indicates that cyclists running red
lights is a big problem for society. Sure we read the same bad press
about it all but when was the last time you read of a red light running
cyclist killing or seriously injuring someone?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending red light jumpers. It really bugs
when I see other cyclists running reds, if you cop it running a red it's
no more than you deserve. There's just no real reason for
the police to strictly enforce it 'cause at the end of the day although
it's very naughty it really isn't doing society any harm.

Implementing any measure which may discourage cycling will see a net
cost to society through increased congestion, increased obesity,
increased pollution etc. That will more than outweigh any benefits of
getting cyclists to obey red lights.

The same can't be said about cars. Thirteen and a half thousand
accidents last year that resulted in an insurance claim last year, I
wonder how many of those resulted in death or injury? That's why
there's a big deal made about cars running reds.

And let's face it, anything that discourages car use in favor of PT,
cycling or walking can only be a good thing :-)
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

SteveA said:

dtmeister said:

Bleve said:

dtmeister wrote:

>I think the only way to fix this is if the law is actually enforced.

Agreed.

RFID tags in the BB shell, sensors in the road. Will nick cars,
bikes, motorbikes .. the lot. Cheap, easy ...

Actually, why wouldn't that work? Bicycles become registered - you pay,
say $20 per year, maybe more because you'd have to support the admin
system. You get a plastic RFID tag (bright colour, easy to see
if you don't have one, colour changes each year) which is zip tied to
a standard area like a chainstay (ala TdF).

You then begin a program of rolling out RFID transponders to traffic
lights etc. In a similar fashion to the red light cameras, you can't be
sure which lights have them and which don't. So you don't have to do
them all.

Comments?

--
..dt

Should we start the list now? - top 10 ways to disable an RFID tag -

1. punch a nail through the spot 2mm in from the corner;
2. run over the little sucker in the Landcrusher;
3. give it a little 'squeeze' in the vise;
4. boil it for 25 minutes in hot salted water (pasta optional);
5. run it through a really strong magnetic field so the electronics
stuff up;
6. split the housing, remove the guts and glue it back together;
7.

I have a friend known to all as "Captain Static" While he was staying
in my house several computers, the tv and the vcr died. He can wipe
floppys and Hard Drives by touching them. He once broke an elevator.

I expect he could find a career here as an RFID killer.

Dave

Quoted message said:

8.
9.
10.

SteveA

dtmeister said:

11. Warning, your RFID tag is rugged device. However under certain
conditions (eg deliberate tampering), your RFID tag may release a
fine plutonium mist. We recommend you avoid breathing this mist, this
is best achieved by fscking leaving it alone.

So before I attach it to my bicycle, I put it on the highway for a few
dopey car owners to drive over it.

Besides, bike rego isn't gunna happen. If we pay rego, then we could sue
for service.

Quoted message said:

Bleve said:

Aftermarket RFID tag in a wedge capsule, inserted into seat tube.

Blink, wonders away quietly in case OP realises exactly what they say.
Also don't want to stop changes of this being enacted into legislation
"must insert device inside seat tube".

Bleve said:

Corner, accelerate, surge. Repeat.

Urrgh. Hate that stuff, no good at it.

Not quite running red lights or ped xings but my daughter and I were nearly bowled over two hoons on the Yarra bike path recently. They came around a blind corner, two abreast, heads down bums up racing at well over 30kph it seemed.

Then when I ride the path grannies tell me to "go on the road" or "ring my bell". I don't have a bell! 😕

Euan said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>> "dtmeister" == dtmeister <[email hidden]> writes:

dtmeister> Actually, why wouldn't that work? Bicycles become
dtmeister> registered - you pay, say $20 per year, maybe more
dtmeister> because you'd have to support the admin system. You get a
dtmeister> plastic RFID tag (bright colour, easy to see if you don't
dtmeister> have one, colour changes each year) which is zip tied to
dtmeister> a standard area like a chainstay (ala TdF).

dtmeister> You then begin a program of rolling out RFID transponders
dtmeister> to traffic lights etc. In a similar fashion to the red
dtmeister> light cameras, you can't be sure which lights have them
dtmeister> and which don't. So you don't have to do them all.

dtmeister> Comments?

The obvious is what problem in society are you trying to solve? Do
cyclists running reds actually cost society anything?

I've not seen any studies which indicates that cyclists running red
lights is a big problem for society. Sure we read the same bad press
about it all but when was the last time you read of a red light running
cyclist killing or seriously injuring someone?

Oh please Euan. You have a law. A certain class of people obey it. A
certain class don't, because they can get away with it. First class
despises second class, and has less repect for them. I'm not going to
bother arguing this with you. Any child at pre-school can tell you
this.

And the idea that a cyclist running a red doesn't threaten someone is
pure [censored] (look that up in your dictionary). Some motorists actually
consider swerving when encountering someone they're just about to kill,
who pops into an intersection unannounced - which can result in some nasty
collateral damage.

--
..dt

Terry Collins said:

Bleve said:

Aftermarket RFID tag in a wedge capsule, inserted into seat tube.

Blink, wonders away quietly in case OP realises exactly what they say.
Also don't want to stop changes of this being enacted into legislation
"must insert device inside seat tube".

Sooner or later this sort of thing will be either
made compulsory by the government, or insurance companies.

You go on hiding your head in the sand, I'm sure it's crunchy and
gritty 🙂

In article
<[email hidden]>,

TimC said:

I wonder if they prefer campy or shimano?

Shimano. They have trouble with the little lever on the inside.

--
Shane Stanley

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> "dtmeister" == dtmeister <[email hidden]> writes:

dtmeister Euan said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>> "dtmeister" == dtmeister <[email hidden]>
>>>> writes:

dtmeister> Actually, why wouldn't that work? Bicycles become
dtmeister> registered - you pay, say $20 per year, maybe more
dtmeister> because you'd have to support the admin system. You get a
dtmeister> plastic RFID tag (bright colour, easy to see if you don't
dtmeister> have one, colour changes each year) which is zip tied to
dtmeister> a standard area like a chainstay (ala TdF).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

dtmeister> You then begin a program of rolling out RFID transponders
dtmeister> to traffic lights etc. In a similar fashion to the red
dtmeister> light cameras, you can't be sure which lights have them
dtmeister> and which don't. So you don't have to do them all.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

dtmeister> Comments?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The obvious is what problem in society are you trying to solve?
Do cyclists running reds actually cost society anything?

I've not seen any studies which indicates that cyclists running
red lights is a big problem for society. Sure we read the same
bad press about it all but when was the last time you read of a
red light running cyclist killing or seriously injuring someone?

dtmeister> Oh please Euan. You have a law. A certain class of people
dtmeister> obey it. A certain class don't, because they can get away
dtmeister> with it. First class despises second class, and has less
dtmeister> repect for them. I'm not going to bother arguing this
dtmeister> with you. Any child at pre-school can tell you this.

Did you bother to read the rest of my post? If you did you'll have read
this:

Euan> Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending red light jumpers. It
Euan> really bugs when I see other cyclists running reds, if you cop
Euan> it running a red it's no more than you deserve.

So you can hardly say I'm condoning red light jumpers. In fact go and
Google my name on aus.bicycle with respect to red lights. I'll save you
the trouble of thinking of the search criteria, here you go:

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=10&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=red+lights+light&as_eq=&as_ugroup=aus.bicycle&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=euan&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=3&as_maxm=10&as_maxy=2005&safe=off

dtmeister> And the idea that a cyclist running a red doesn't
dtmeister> threaten someone is pure [censored] (look that up in your
dtmeister> dictionary). Some motorists actually consider swerving
dtmeister> when encountering someone they're just about to kill, who
dtmeister> pops into an intersection unannounced - which can result
dtmeister> in some nasty collateral damage.

Uh huh and the figures? Oh you can't provide any? Which is exactly the
point! Now read and understand the message I'm trying to convey.

Figures exist which show the damage cars jumping red lights does to
society, that's why you've got all those red light cameras etc. I'll
say the numbers again, 13,500 red light accidents last year which
resulted in an insurance claim, resulting in $66Million dollars worth of
claims nationally. Those are just the ones that resulted in an
insurance claim which means that there's a hell of a lot more cars than
that running red lights every day.

There's no data which puts a dollar value on the cyclist running red
lights. No dollar value means that those who control purse strings
don't care. That's why no one who matters is particularly bothered
about it.

Just in case it hasn't sunk in yet I'm bothered about it. I never run
reds, even those pedestrian ones in the middle of nowhere at three
o'clock in the morning. I wouldn't do it in a car so I'm not going to
do it on a bike and don't condone anyone who does.

Are we clear?
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> "Deest" == Deest <[email hidden]> writes:

Deest Bleve said:

Quoted message said:

Corner, accelerate, surge. Repeat. Urrgh. Hate that stuff, no
good at it.

Deest> Not quite running red lights or ped xings but my daughter and
Deest> I were nearly bowled over two hoons on the Yarra bike path
Deest> recently. They came around a blind corner, two abreast, heads
Deest> down bums up racing at well over 30kph it seemed.

[censored]. Bike paths are not the place to go fast, most of them just
aren't built for speed (one of the reasons I avoid them like the
plague).

Regardless, one should never ride at a speed greater than one's ability
to break. That's just common sense.

OK I got caught out on that a couple of months ago, we're all human, but
30km/h on a bike path ought to be a ticketable offence.

Deest> Then when I ride the path grannies tell me to "go on the
Deest> road" or "ring my bell". I don't have a bell! 😕

You're breaking the law. You must have a warning device on your
bicycle, your voice doesn't count.
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

Euan said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>"dtmeister" == dtmeister <[email hidden]> writes:

dtmeister Euan said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>> "dtmeister" == dtmeister <[email hidden]>
>>>>> writes:

dtmeister> Actually, why wouldn't that work? Bicycles become
dtmeister> registered - you pay, say $20 per year, maybe more
dtmeister> because you'd have to support the admin system. You get a
dtmeister> plastic RFID tag (bright colour, easy to see if you don't
dtmeister> have one, colour changes each year) which is zip tied to
dtmeister> a standard area like a chainstay (ala TdF).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

dtmeister> You then begin a program of rolling out RFID transponders
dtmeister> to traffic lights etc. In a similar fashion to the red
dtmeister> light cameras, you can't be sure which lights have them
dtmeister> and which don't. So you don't have to do them all.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

dtmeister> Comments?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The obvious is what problem in society are you trying to solve?
Do cyclists running reds actually cost society anything?

I've not seen any studies which indicates that cyclists running
red lights is a big problem for society. Sure we read the same
bad press about it all but when was the last time you read of a
red light running cyclist killing or seriously injuring someone?

dtmeister> Oh please Euan. You have a law. A certain class of people
dtmeister> obey it. A certain class don't, because they can get away
dtmeister> with it. First class despises second class, and has less
dtmeister> repect for them. I'm not going to bother arguing this
dtmeister> with you. Any child at pre-school can tell you this.

Did you bother to read the rest of my post? If you did you'll have read
this:

Euan> Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending red light jumpers. It
Euan> really bugs when I see other cyclists running reds, if you cop
Euan> it running a red it's no more than you deserve.

So you can hardly say I'm condoning red light jumpers. In fact go and
Google my name on aus.bicycle with respect to red lights. I'll save you
the trouble of thinking of the search criteria, here you go:

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=10&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=red+lights+light&as_eq=&as_ugroup=aus.bicycle&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=euan&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=3&as_maxm=10&as_maxy=2005&safe=off

dtmeister> And the idea that a cyclist running a red doesn't
dtmeister> threaten someone is pure [censored] (look that up in your
dtmeister> dictionary). Some motorists actually consider swerving
dtmeister> when encountering someone they're just about to kill, who
dtmeister> pops into an intersection unannounced - which can result
dtmeister> in some nasty collateral damage.

Uh huh and the figures? Oh you can't provide any? Which is exactly the
point! Now read and understand the message I'm trying to convey.

Figures exist which show the damage cars jumping red lights does to
society, that's why you've got all those red light cameras etc. I'll
say the numbers again, 13,500 red light accidents last year which
resulted in an insurance claim, resulting in $66Million dollars worth of
claims nationally. Those are just the ones that resulted in an
insurance claim which means that there's a hell of a lot more cars than
that running red lights every day.

There's no data which puts a dollar value on the cyclist running red
lights. No dollar value means that those who control purse strings
don't care. That's why no one who matters is particularly bothered
about it.

Just in case it hasn't sunk in yet I'm bothered about it. I never run
reds, even those pedestrian ones in the middle of nowhere at three
o'clock in the morning. I wouldn't do it in a car so I'm not going to
do it on a bike and don't condone anyone who does.

Are we clear?

Yeah I am with you on this. Hundreds of people are not run down and
killed by cyclists running red lights every year.

THats not to say its not bloody rude.. it is

Dave

Euan said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>"Deest" == Deest <[email hidden]> writes:

Deest Bleve said:

Quoted message said:

Corner, accelerate, surge. Repeat. Urrgh. Hate that stuff, no
good at it.

Deest> Not quite running red lights or ped xings but my daughter and
Deest> I were nearly bowled over two hoons on the Yarra bike path
Deest> recently. They came around a blind corner, two abreast, heads
Deest> down bums up racing at well over 30kph it seemed.

[censored]. Bike paths are not the place to go fast, most of them just
aren't built for speed (one of the reasons I avoid them like the
plague).

Regardless, one should never ride at a speed greater than one's ability
to break. That's just common sense.

OK I got caught out on that a couple of months ago, we're all human, but
30km/h on a bike path ought to be a ticketable offence.

Deest> Then when I ride the path grannies tell me to "go on the
Deest> road" or "ring my bell". I don't have a bell! 😕

You're breaking the law. You must have a warning device on your
bicycle, your voice doesn't count.

My voice aint a warning device? Hmmmmmmm. if you say so.

30 kmh on a bike path is fine. It seriously depends on the bike path tho.

Dont you love the two abreast, he can dodge us attitude of some bike
path users. And yeah I mean you Mr Black guy on annodised mountain bike
on Gardiners Creek. I,m the guy who dodged you and yelled out "Whats
wrong with this picture"

dtmeister said:

Oh please Euan. You have a law. A certain class of people obey it. A
certain class don't, because they can get away with it. First class
despises second class, and has less repect for them. I'm not going to
bother arguing this with you. Any child at pre-school can tell you
this.

Point taken. But are you simply talking about a form of nihilism, or do you actually want longterm attitudial changes to occur? Sure there's a percentage of the proles no amount of campaigning or law enforcement can reach, but I really do despise ingrained helplessness combined with inane misperceptions of actual threats. The commercial media do a terrific job reinforcing that [censored].

dtmeister said:

And the idea that a cyclist running a red doesn't threaten someone is
pure [censored] (look that up in your dictionary). Some motorists actually
consider swerving when encountering someone they're just about to kill,
who pops into an intersection unannounced - which can result in some nasty
collateral damage.

Similarly when cyclists swerve around a opening car door. Some situations you're seriously better off going into it. Conundrums, Conundrums, Conundrums.

"Kathy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I have a friend known to all as "Captain Static" While he was staying in
my house several computers, the tv and the vcr died. He can wipe floppys
and Hard Drives by touching them. He once broke an elevator.

I could do better than that, Kathy. In my job as an auto teller technician,
there was one specific ATM where all I had to do is *think* about it, and
sure enough - I'd get a service request on in within the hour.

Henry.

"Euan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Just in case it hasn't sunk in yet I'm bothered about it. I never run
reds, even those pedestrian ones in the middle of nowhere at three
o'clock in the morning. I wouldn't do it in a car so I'm not going to
do it on a bike and don't condone anyone who does.

Are we clear?
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

I used to run red lights years ago. Since I started commuting I now stop at
all red lights - including pedestrian lights where the pedestrian has
already crossed before the 'walk' sign came up. As well as obeying the law,
my idea is that every driver who sees me stopped at that light may just
change his/her impression of cyclists in general, and it may rub off on the
driver's behaviour towards other cyclists.

Henry.

dtmeister <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Euan said:

Uh huh and the figures? Oh you can't provide any? Which
is exactly the point! Now read and understand the message
I'm trying to convey.

Figures exist which show the damage cars jumping red
lights does to society, that's why you've got all those
red light cameras etc. I'll say the numbers again, 13,500

I'm not taking sides but the figures do exist. Check the
crash databases carefully and you'll find more than a few
cyclist accidents and some that involve a cyclist jumping a
red light. Others of course include a cyclist getting
clobbered by a car jumping said red light.

The total figure is a sum of all accidents put down to red
lights, the cyclist accidents are rolled up in this figure.

Cheers

BrettM