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  1. "Nathalie Chiva" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel
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    On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:20:49 +0200, "Pandora" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In this recipe I don't see the "cocciniglia" (cochineal) which gives the
    red
    colour to the liqueur!!! It is very important ingredient!

    Well, it may be important for the appearance, but not for the taste.

    When you cut the cake is beautiful to see the red. Without "red" colour, for
    us, is not "Zuppa inglese" 🙂
    Pandora

    Quoted message said:


    Nathalie in Switzerland, as long as it tastes good, it looks good....

  2. "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
    news:[email hidden]...

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    On Wed 28 Sep 2005 07:20:49a, Pandora wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
    news:[email hidden]...

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    On Wed 28 Sep 2005 04:11:44a, Nathalie Chiva wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    > On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:50:31 +0200, "Pandora" <[email hidden]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>The recipe I will give you is with Pan di Spagna, liqueur (alchermes),
    >>chocolate, cream and whipped cream.
    >
    > What is alchermes made of exactly ? I've never made Zuppa Inglese
    > because I can't find a liqueur by that name here.
    >
    >>A question: if whipped cream is "cream", how do you call the Cream
    >>(the yellow one made with eggs). How can one distinguish them in a
    >>recipe??
    >
    > In French we call the egg cream "crème anglaise".
    >
    > Nathalie
    >
    >

    I found this recipe for alchermes:

    Alchermes

    Ingredients:
    1/2 (half) a litre of 90 proof alcohol
    2 pounds of sugar
    1/2 (half) a stick of vanila
    15 grams of cinnamon
    10 grams of coriander
    10 grams of cordamom
    2 cloves
    5 grams anice
    100 gram rose water

    Special note: spice descriptions can be found here

    Description:

    1. Crush together the vanila, cinnamon, coriander, cloves, cardamom and
    anice.

    2. Add in a bottle 1/2 a litre of alcohol (90 proof) and a cup of
    water.

    3. Seal the bottle tightly and shake it briefly twice a day for two
    weeks.

    4. Melt 2 pounds of sugar with 1 cup of cold water then add it to the
    preparation (bottle).

    5. Shake it well and let it rest for two days.

    6. Filter it properly and add the 100 grams of rose water.

    In this recipe I don't see the "cocciniglia" (cochineal) which gives the
    red colour to the liqueur!!! It is very important ingredient!
    Pandora

    It may be very pretty, but it doesn't sound very appetizing...,

    cochineal
    (kochInel´, koch´Inel) , natural dye obtained from an extract of the
    bodies
    of the females of the cochineal bug ( Dactylopius confusus ) found on
    certain species of cactus, especially Nopalea coccinellifera, native to
    Mexico and Central America. The insects' bodies contain the pigment called
    carminic acid, which is obtained by subjecting a mass of the crushed
    insects to steam or dry heat; such large numbers of the insects are needed
    to produce a small amount of dye that the cost is high.

    :-))

    Bleahh!!!! I knew that! but I think that they sell in powder!!! 🙂)))))
    So, Nathalie won't say any more that Cochineal is only a colour without
    taste 😄DDDDD
    Pandora

  3. On Wed 28 Sep 2005 07:20:49a, Pandora wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:


    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed 28 Sep 2005 04:11:44a, Nathalie Chiva wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:50:31 +0200, "Pandora" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >The recipe I will give you is with Pan di Spagna, liqueur (alchermes),
    >chocolate, cream and whipped cream.

    What is alchermes made of exactly ? I've never made Zuppa Inglese
    because I can't find a liqueur by that name here.

    >A question: if whipped cream is "cream", how do you call the Cream
    >(the yellow one made with eggs). How can one distinguish them in a
    >recipe??

    In French we call the egg cream "crème anglaise".

    Nathalie

    I found this recipe for alchermes:

    Alchermes

    Ingredients:
    1/2 (half) a litre of 90 proof alcohol
    2 pounds of sugar
    1/2 (half) a stick of vanila
    15 grams of cinnamon
    10 grams of coriander
    10 grams of cordamom
    2 cloves
    5 grams anice
    100 gram rose water

    Special note: spice descriptions can be found here

    Description:

    1. Crush together the vanila, cinnamon, coriander, cloves, cardamom and
    anice.

    2. Add in a bottle 1/2 a litre of alcohol (90 proof) and a cup of
    water.

    3. Seal the bottle tightly and shake it briefly twice a day for two
    weeks.

    4. Melt 2 pounds of sugar with 1 cup of cold water then add it to the
    preparation (bottle).

    5. Shake it well and let it rest for two days.

    6. Filter it properly and add the 100 grams of rose water.

    In this recipe I don't see the "cocciniglia" (cochineal) which gives the
    red colour to the liqueur!!! It is very important ingredient!
    Pandora

    It may be very pretty, but it doesn't sound very appetizing...,

    cochineal
    (kochInel´, koch´Inel) , natural dye obtained from an extract of the bodies
    of the females of the cochineal bug ( Dactylopius confusus ) found on
    certain species of cactus, especially Nopalea coccinellifera, native to
    Mexico and Central America. The insects' bodies contain the pigment called
    carminic acid, which is obtained by subjecting a mass of the crushed
    insects to steam or dry heat; such large numbers of the insects are needed
    to produce a small amount of dye that the cost is high.

    :-))

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
    Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

  4. On Wed 28 Sep 2005 08:19:02a, Pandora wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:


    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed 28 Sep 2005 07:20:49a, Pandora wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:


    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
    news:[email hidden]...
    > On Wed 28 Sep 2005 04:11:44a, Nathalie Chiva wrote in


    rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    >> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:50:31 +0200, "Pandora" <[email hidden]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>The recipe I will give you is with Pan di Spagna, liqueur


    (alchermes),

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>chocolate, cream and whipped cream.
    >>
    >> What is alchermes made of exactly ? I've never made Zuppa Inglese
    >> because I can't find a liqueur by that name here.
    >>
    >>>A question: if whipped cream is "cream", how do you call the Cream
    >>>(the yellow one made with eggs). How can one distinguish them in a
    >>>recipe??
    >>
    >> In French we call the egg cream "crème anglaise".
    >>
    >> Nathalie
    >>
    >>
    >
    > I found this recipe for alchermes:
    >
    > Alchermes
    >
    > Ingredients:
    > 1/2 (half) a litre of 90 proof alcohol
    > 2 pounds of sugar
    > 1/2 (half) a stick of vanila
    > 15 grams of cinnamon
    > 10 grams of coriander
    > 10 grams of cordamom
    > 2 cloves
    > 5 grams anice
    > 100 gram rose water
    >
    > Special note: spice descriptions can be found here
    >
    > Description:
    >
    > 1. Crush together the vanila, cinnamon, coriander, cloves, cardamom


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    > anice.
    >
    > 2. Add in a bottle 1/2 a litre of alcohol (90 proof) and a cup of


    water.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > 3. Seal the bottle tightly and shake it briefly twice a day for two
    > weeks.
    >
    > 4. Melt 2 pounds of sugar with 1 cup of cold water then add it to the
    > preparation (bottle).
    >
    > 5. Shake it well and let it rest for two days.
    >
    > 6. Filter it properly and add the 100 grams of rose water.

    In this recipe I don't see the "cocciniglia" (cochineal) which gives


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    red colour to the liqueur!!! It is very important ingredient!
    Pandora

    It may be very pretty, but it doesn't sound very appetizing...,

    cochineal
    (kochInel´, koch´Inel) , natural dye obtained from an extract of the
    bodies of the females of the cochineal bug ( Dactylopius confusus )


    found

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    on certain species of cactus, especially Nopalea coccinellifera, native


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Mexico and Central America. The insects' bodies contain the pigment


    called

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    carminic acid, which is obtained by subjecting a mass of the crushed
    insects to steam or dry heat; such large numbers of the insects are


    needed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to produce a small amount of dye that the cost is high.

    :-))

    Bleahh!!!! I knew that! but I think that they sell in powder!!! 🙂)))))
    So, Nathalie won't say any more that Cochineal is only a colour without
    taste 😄DDDDD
    Pandora

    ROTFLMAO!

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
    Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

  5. On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:19:02 +0200, "Pandora" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Bleahh!!!! I knew that! but I think that they sell in powder!!! 🙂)))))
    So, Nathalie won't say any more that Cochineal is only a colour without
    taste 😄DDDDD
    Pandora

    Well well, now I *know* I won't be making red alchermes...

    Nathalie in Switzerland

  6. "Nathalie Chiva" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel
    messaggio news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:19:02 +0200, "Pandora" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Bleahh!!!! I knew that! but I think that they sell in powder!!! 🙂)))))
    So, Nathalie won't say any more that Cochineal is only a colour without
    taste 😄DDDDD
    Pandora

    Well well, now I *know* I won't be making red alchermes...

    But you loose something ...
    Pan

    Quoted message said:


    Nathalie in Switzerland

  7. On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:10:35 +0200, "Pandora" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Well well, now I *know* I won't be making red alchermes...

    But you loose something ...
    Pan

    Nope. Cochineal has no taste - and I don't care much what my food
    looks like, as long as it tastes great (I know, I'm considered weird
    for that).

    Nathalie in Switzerland

  8. "Nathalie Chiva" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel
    messaggio news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:10:35 +0200, "Pandora" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Well well, now I *know* I won't be making red alchermes...

    But you loose something ...
    Pan

    Nope. Cochineal has no taste - and I don't care much what my food
    looks like, as long as it tastes great (I know, I'm considered weird
    for that).

    I've bought just this morning a bottle of alchermes for ? 4.
    Perhaps tomorrow I will do "Zuppa inglese" ...
    Cheers
    Pandora

    Quoted message said:


    Nathalie in Switzerland

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