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In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

They're talking about you over at Monkey-boy's party. Something about
fiber conversion. (It doesn't refer to flinging feces.)

The body recomp place?

I hate those web forums. Navigiating is such a pain in the butt. I can't
find anything on it and I'm bored, so i looked.

Dayum.

--
Keith

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

They're talking about you over at Monkey-boy's party. Something about
fiber conversion. (It doesn't refer to flinging feces.)

The body recomp place?

I hate those web forums. Navigiating is such a pain in the butt. I can't
find anything on it and I'm bored, so i looked.

Dayum.

No big surprise. Your high level of athletic mutation has long been
recognized.

Still, you might make a good guinea pig for studies of MHC isoform
remodeling.

JMW said:

No big surprise. Your high level of athletic mutation has long been
recognized.

Ah, but is he an *athlete*?

Oops, sorry, I'll shut up now. :-)

Dally

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

They're talking about you over at Monkey-boy's party. Something about
fiber conversion. (It doesn't refer to flinging feces.)

The body recomp place?

I hate those web forums. Navigiating is such a pain in the butt. I can't
find anything on it and I'm bored, so i looked.

Dayum.

No big surprise. Your high level of athletic mutation has long been
recognized.

Still, you might make a good guinea pig for studies of MHC isoform
remodeling.

Does that involve drinking beer?

:^)

Can anyone actually point me to this discussion?

--
Keith

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
wrote:

>They're talking about you over at Monkey-boy's party. Something about
>fiber conversion. (It doesn't refer to flinging feces.)

The body recomp place?

I hate those web forums. Navigiating is such a pain in the butt. I can't
find anything on it and I'm bored, so i looked.

Dayum.

No big surprise. Your high level of athletic mutation has long been
recognized.

Still, you might make a good guinea pig for studies of MHC isoform
remodeling.

Does that involve drinking beer?

:^)

Can anyone actually point me to this discussion?

Oh, sorry, I thought my obliqueness was enough. IIRC It's under
Endurance Training and the thread is Fiber Conversion.

Dally

In article <[email hidden]>,

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
wrote:

> They're talking about you over at Monkey-boy's party. Something about
> fiber conversion. (It doesn't refer to flinging feces.)

The body recomp place?

I hate those web forums. Navigiating is such a pain in the butt. I can't
find anything on it and I'm bored, so i looked.

Dayum.

No big surprise. Your high level of athletic mutation has long been
recognized.

Still, you might make a good guinea pig for studies of MHC isoform
remodeling.

Does that involve drinking beer?

:^)

Can anyone actually point me to this discussion?

Not much of a discussion, really, unless I'm missing the main one. Go
to Training > Endurance Training > Fiber Conversion.

Transcript follows - sorry for the formatting, but I'm not going to
reformat it!

Tyler
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,363
Fiber conversion
Is fiber conversion a constant process? For example, if I trained on the
bike for endurance one year, then went back to PL the next year, and
then back to the bike the next year, would the fibers keep converting
back and forth?
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#2    
08-09-2005, 10:38 AM
lylemcd
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Posts: 20,622
Keith Hobman went from marathon runner to elite master's PL.

Lyle

#3    
08-09-2005, 12:58 PM
rls669
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 469
Keith is a mutant who spawned a daughter who squatted 200lbs in
competition when she was like 11 years old.

So Tyler, YMMV.
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08-09-2005, 05:12 PM
lylemcd
Administrator

Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 20,622
Quote:
Originally Posted by rls669
Keith is a mutant who spawned a daughter who squatted 200lbs in
competition when she was like 11 years old.

So Tyler, YMMV.

true. But fibers show incredible plasticity. If you detrain for long
enough, for example, they will revert from IIa to IIx (which is
basically the 'default' Type II isoform). So conversion back and forth
by changing stimuli should be no problem.

Lyle

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

JMW said:

No big surprise. Your high level of athletic mutation has long been
recognized.

Ah, but is he an *athlete*?

Oops, sorry, I'll shut up now. :-)

Hate to tell you this Dally, but I'm an aging, semi-recreational athlete
now.

Everything is qualified.

:^)

I suspect John and I are in much the same boat. People say, "Geez. For a
47 year old that guy can move." I played a slo-pitch game with guys my
age last night and I still suprise people with my speed. Partially
because with the weight I carry the expectation is lowered. But in the
bar afterwards there was some discsussion of our team folding after this
season, but certain players would be picked up. Our captain said I'd be
picked up because I'm "the fastest guy in the league."

OTOH I played a 1st division rugby game on Saturday and had a young guy
blow by me and barely got a finger on him. It's all relative and
subjective. You really shouldn't concern yourself with what people say
on things like this. Some of us who have trained and competed over the
years have an appreciation for your accomplishments. Others belittle
them, but I'm reminded of the immortal words of Teddy Roosevelt.

"It's not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the
strong man stumbled, or when the doer of deeds could have done better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face
is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs
and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the
great devotions and spends himself in a worth cause; who at the best,
knows in the end the triumph of high achievement; and who at the worst
if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place
shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory
or defeat."

You know what? I know both victory and defeat. I prefer victory, but
it's the friggin' battle/journey that I love.

--
Keith

"Hobbes" wrote

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
wrote:

> They're talking about you over at Monkey-boy's party. Something about
> fiber conversion. (It doesn't refer to flinging feces.)

The body recomp place?

I hate those web forums. Navigiating is such a pain in the butt. I can't
find anything on it and I'm bored, so i looked.

Dayum.

No big surprise. Your high level of athletic mutation has long been
recognized.

Still, you might make a good guinea pig for studies of MHC isoform
remodeling.

Does that involve drinking beer?

:^)

Can anyone actually point me to this discussion?

I know what you mean.

I used to go over there now and then. I would try to crawl through their
many forum topics. The last twenty or so times I went over there, I could
not get into the forums. I tried valiantly. There were no particular
instructions on how to break the code either.

So I figured, if they want to make their forum/website a great mystery, they
don't need me.

"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"Hobbes" wrote

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

Hobbes <[email hidden]> wrote:

>In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
>wrote:
>
>> They're talking about you over at Monkey-boy's party. Something
>> about
>> fiber conversion. (It doesn't refer to flinging feces.)
>
>The body recomp place?
>
>I hate those web forums. Navigiating is such a pain in the butt. I
>can't
>find anything on it and I'm bored, so i looked.
>
>Dayum.

No big surprise. Your high level of athletic mutation has long been
recognized.

Still, you might make a good guinea pig for studies of MHC isoform
remodeling.

Does that involve drinking beer?

:^)

Can anyone actually point me to this discussion?

I know what you mean.

I used to go over there now and then. I would try to crawl through their
many forum topics. The last twenty or so times I went over there, I could
not get into the forums. I tried valiantly. There were no particular
instructions on how to break the code either.

So I figured, if they want to make their forum/website a great mystery,
they don't need me.

I went over there again and punched every button I could find. I finally
found this message. Buried, of course, where almost nobody would find it.
Hey Lyle, why don't you put this on the front page so people can find it?

**********************************

Lurkers or guests, please read

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Unfortunately, due to some issues with age verification, I have had to make
the forum unviewable unless you are a registered member. Since there is
adult content on this forum, this was the only way I could ensure that young
eyes were unable to view it.

I apologize for any inconvenience (esp. to long-term lurkers who are now
unable to view without registering) but this is the only way to solve the
problem.

Please note that registering won't do anything like put you on stupid spam
mail lists or anything like that. I hate spam as much as you do and wouldn't
sell email adresses in the first place.

Lyle
*********************************

Lee Michaels said:

"Hobbes" wrote

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

Hobbes <[email hidden]> wrote:

>In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>
>wrote:
>
>> They're talking about you over at Monkey-boy's party. Something about
>> fiber conversion. (It doesn't refer to flinging feces.)
>
>The body recomp place?
>
>I hate those web forums. Navigiating is such a pain in the butt. I can't
>find anything on it and I'm bored, so i looked.
>
>Dayum.

No big surprise. Your high level of athletic mutation has long been
recognized.

Still, you might make a good guinea pig for studies of MHC isoform
remodeling.

Does that involve drinking beer?

:^)

Can anyone actually point me to this discussion?

I know what you mean.

I used to go over there now and then. I would try to crawl through their
many forum topics. The last twenty or so times I went over there, I could
not get into the forums. I tried valiantly. There were no particular
instructions on how to break the code either.

So I figured, if they want to make their forum/website a great mystery, they
don't need me.

You do need to register but IMHO it really isn't worth the effort!

Lee Michaels said:

"Hobbes" wrote

Quoted message said:

JMW said:

Hobbes <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Dally <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> They're talking about you over at Monkey-boy's party. Something about
>> fiber conversion. (It doesn't refer to flinging feces.)
>
>The body recomp place?
>
>I hate those web forums. Navigiating is such a pain in the butt. I can't
>find anything on it and I'm bored, so i looked.
>
>Dayum.

No big surprise. Your high level of athletic mutation has long been
recognized.

Still, you might make a good guinea pig for studies of MHC isoform
remodeling.

Does that involve drinking beer?

:^)

Can anyone actually point me to this discussion?

I know what you mean.

I used to go over there now and then. I would try to crawl through their
many forum topics.

That subdivision is what bothers me most. Most of the forums seem to
be filled with inane banter, so I don't even enter them; however, some
have an occasional bit of interesting discussion. Unfortunately, the
indexes only show the last post in a given forum or under a specific
subject header, and if the name/ID of the person posting is someone who
just likes to drop one-liners with nothing interesting to say, I'm not
going to trace it backward.

The nice thing about Usenet and a good newsreader (even Google Groups)
is that you can look under interesting subject headers and see all the
names of those who posted under it. If I find the name of someone who
usually has something interesting to say, I can read just that post,
and if necessary, back-trace the subthread.

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Oops, sorry, I'll shut up now. :-)

Yeah, and in related news, pigs were seen flying while hell froze over.

David

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

They're talking about you over at Monkey-boy's party. Something about
fiber conversion. (It doesn't refer to flinging feces.)

The body recomp place?

I hate those web forums. Navigiating is such a pain in the butt. I can't
find anything on it and I'm bored, so i looked.

Dayum.

You would love the Charlie Francis forum, Keith.

--
Scott Johnson / scottjohnson at kc dot rr dot com

Hobbes said:

Dally said:

JMW said:

No big surprise. Your high level of athletic mutation has long been
recognized.

Ah, but is he an *athlete*?

Oops, sorry, I'll shut up now. :-)

Hate to tell you this Dally, but I'm an aging, semi-recreational athlete
now.

Everything is qualified.

:^)

Yup. I can live with that.

Quoted message said:

I suspect John and I are in much the same boat. People say, "Geez. For a
47 year old that guy can move." I played a slo-pitch game with guys my
age last night and I still suprise people with my speed. Partially
because with the weight I carry the expectation is lowered. But in the
bar afterwards there was some discsussion of our team folding after this
season, but certain players would be picked up. Our captain said I'd be
picked up because I'm "the fastest guy in the league."

Have you seen a magazine called "Geezer Jock"? I don't know where the
subscription came from, but we started getting it a few months ago and
it's really cool how much "masters" stuff is going on. My husband just
turned 50 and he is really enjoying "master's badminton." It's nice
that there's an emerging arena for us.

Quoted message said:

OTOH I played a 1st division rugby game on Saturday and had a young guy
blow by me and barely got a finger on him. It's all relative and
subjective. You really shouldn't concern yourself with what people say
on things like this. Some of us who have trained and competed over the
years have an appreciation for your accomplishments. Others belittle
them, but I'm reminded of the immortal words of Teddy Roosevelt.

"It's not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the
strong man stumbled, or when the doer of deeds could have done better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face
is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs
and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the
great devotions and spends himself in a worth cause; who at the best,
knows in the end the triumph of high achievement; and who at the worst
if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place
shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory
or defeat."

You know what? I know both victory and defeat. I prefer victory, but
it's the friggin' battle/journey that I love.

I feel the same way. I was so incredibly inspired by going to watch a
caber toss at Highland Games (Wayne was in) last summer. These guys
(and women) go onto the field planning on tossing a honking big
telephone pole end over end. 99% of the time they fail, like duh. But
once in a while... someone does it. And it's a sight to behold. I
really really respected those guys for being on the field trying to do
the damn-near-impossible.

Dally

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:37:59 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I suspect John and I are in much the same boat. People say, "Geez. For a
47 year old that guy can move." I played a slo-pitch game with guys my
age last night and I still suprise people with my speed. Partially
because with the weight I carry the expectation is lowered. But in the
bar afterwards there was some discsussion of our team folding after this
season, but certain players would be picked up. Our captain said I'd be
picked up because I'm "the fastest guy in the league."

I think I need to move to Saskatoon. ;-)
--
Bob Mann

"Without pain there is no gain.
Without pain there is no glory"
-Geoff Capes

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:41:12 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

They're talking about you over at Monkey-boy's party. Something about
fiber conversion. (It doesn't refer to flinging feces.)

The body recomp place?

I hate those web forums. Navigiating is such a pain in the butt. I can't
find anything on it and I'm bored, so i looked.

Dayum.

I haven't been there in a while. Not only does the navigation suck,
it's been boring as hell there lately. MFW is actually coming back
alive now and this is much more preferable. I do like how I seem to
irritate the hell out of Lyle though.

John Hanson said:

I haven't been there in a while. Not only does the navigation suck,
it's been boring as hell there lately. MFW is actually coming back
alive now and this is much more preferable. I do like how I seem to
irritate the hell out of Lyle though.

I'm such a Lyle-junky. He has me quivering in the knees when he says
stuff like,

"Yes, of course, why wouldn't it occur to me to look for that link,
between angiotensin II and a-2.

I'm not totally retarded, dude. Trust me, I looked.

If angiotensin is 'permissive' for a-2 regeneration in fat cells, the
data isn't there."

He thinks I'm an utter fool but I've been reading the guy - even buying
his books - for years now. (My startling transformation didn't happen
in a vacuum. MFW was a big part of it.)

Dally

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:35:46 -0400, Dally <[email hidden]> wrote in
misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

John Hanson said:

I haven't been there in a while. Not only does the navigation suck,
it's been boring as hell there lately. MFW is actually coming back
alive now and this is much more preferable. I do like how I seem to
irritate the hell out of Lyle though.

I'm such a Lyle-junky. He has me quivering in the knees when he says
stuff like,

"Yes, of course, why wouldn't it occur to me to look for that link,
between angiotensin II and a-2.

I'm not totally retarded, dude. Trust me, I looked.

If angiotensin is 'permissive' for a-2 regeneration in fat cells, the
data isn't there."

He thinks I'm an utter fool but I've been reading the guy - even buying
his books - for years now. (My startling transformation didn't happen
in a vacuum. MFW was a big part of it.)

Lyle's problem is that he makes things too complicated. I can give
you all the advice you'll ever need pertaining to sports and fitness
as could most everyone else on this group.

Eat right.
Don't miss workouts.
Have fun.
Cheat on your diet/have a few beers every once in a while.
Get Laid.

Not necessarily in that order.

John Hanson said:

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:35:46 -0400, Dally <[email hidden]> wrote in
misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

John Hanson said:

I haven't been there in a while. Not only does the navigation suck,
it's been boring as hell there lately. MFW is actually coming back
alive now and this is much more preferable. I do like how I seem to
irritate the hell out of Lyle though.

I'm such a Lyle-junky. He has me quivering in the knees when he says
stuff like,

"Yes, of course, why wouldn't it occur to me to look for that link,
between angiotensin II and a-2.

I'm not totally retarded, dude. Trust me, I looked.

If angiotensin is 'permissive' for a-2 regeneration in fat cells, the
data isn't there."

He thinks I'm an utter fool but I've been reading the guy - even buying
his books - for years now. (My startling transformation didn't happen
in a vacuum. MFW was a big part of it.)

Lyle's problem is that he makes things too complicated. I can give
you all the advice you'll ever need pertaining to sports and fitness
as could most everyone else on this group.

Eat right.
Don't miss workouts.
Have fun.
Cheat on your diet/have a few beers every once in a while.
Get Laid.

Not necessarily in that order.

But I *like* all the big words. Listen again, "if angiotensin is
'permissive' for a-2 regeneration..." It's just like Scotty talking
about the oscillation overthruster being about to blow.

Dally