Panniers.

Roos Eisma said:

I could of course fill them up with a load of the plastic air bags that
everything seems to be shipped in nowadays.

Just hope someone doesn't try and make them compulsory safety features...

Pete.
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Are there any light panniers that can be used as a backpack when they're off the bike?

KakenBetaal said:

Are there any light panniers that can be used as a backpack when they're
off the bike?

You've got a few options here. Easiest are bags with shoulder strap
attachments. Ortlieb rollers have shoulder straps as standard, and some
Alturas have them or fixings for them.

Ortlieb do a rucksack conversion to turn their panniers into rucksacks.
Not tried it, but looking at it in a shop it seems okay. The "Plus"
range from Ortlieb come in lighter weight (but still tough) fabrics, and
at 20l each the rear ones would make a smallish rucksack.

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...

Quoted message said:

Jon Senior jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk said:

Roos, will you be bringing luggage to the u.r.c (Ed) meet?

I wasn't planning too. The Radical bags seem to work best when they have
enough stuff in them to give them shape. They do have a stiff padding that
gives some shape, and internal and external straps etc. but they seem
saggy when half empty. And as they don't attach to the frame directly you
have to use both at the same time.

I could of course fill them up with a load of the plastic air bags that
everything seems to be shipped in nowadays.

If it's any grief at all, don't worry about it. I'm likely to wait a
while before buying any new panniers so I'm sure I'll get a chance to
see them some other time!

Jon

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:53:21 +1000, KakenBetaal
<[email hidden]> wrote (more or
less):

Quoted message said:

Are there any light panniers that can be used as a backpack when they're
off the bike?

There are.

I have one, brand new and unused if you want to make me an offer.

On the other hand, there's a reason it's remained unused since my
birthday...

My favoured route now is cheap panniers that are big enough to take a
small rucsac.

(Nice comfy day-pac from Aldi £8, and a pair of Altura Arrans for
£40).

I have a killer design for a combo rucsac/pannier, but I'm not sure
there's enough of a market for a manufacturer to be interested.

I did see nice combo shoulderbag-cum-breifcase/panniers as well.

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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:52:30 +0100, Jon Senior
<jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote (more or less):

Quoted message said:

Peter Clinch [email hidden] opined the following...

Quoted message said:

There is now proof online that a Fiero Tour with Roos and Radical
panniers on board makes for a very good liking bike, and also that I'm
not going to win any photography awards any time soon...

Start at http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/tourdunord.htm

You're right, they look awsome!

Roos, will you be bringing luggage to the u.r.c (Ed) meet?

Have we decided on whether it'll be Saturday or Sunday yet? I'm in
danger of one of them getting booked before I can buy my ticket to the
show.

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On 13/8/04 1:29 pm, in article [email hidden],

Jon Senior' jon@restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk.remove said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Roos, will you be bringing luggage to the u.r.c (Ed) meet?

When will this be? I might be able to make it.

...d

David Martin said:

When will this be? I might be able to make it.

Oh dear, we'll run into problems with the Scotrail 2 bike limit!
Unless Pete can convince them that his old bike which is going to the bike
orphanage in E'burgh is not a bike but a heap of rust 😉

Roos

On 13/8/04 2:17 pm, in article [email hidden],

Roos Eisma said:

David Martin said:

When will this be? I might be able to make it.

Oh dear, we'll run into problems with the Scotrail 2 bike limit!
Unless Pete can convince them that his old bike which is going to the bike
orphanage in E'burgh is not a bike but a heap of rust 😉

It might coincide with a trip to I**A so I'd have the trailer on the back of
the c*r and bring the youngest in a trailer or child seat (then argue that
it is a pushchair, not a bike ;-)

...d

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

On 13/8/04 2:17 pm, in article [email hidden],

Roos Eisma said:

David Martin said:

When will this be? I might be able to make it.

Oh dear, we'll run into problems with the Scotrail 2 bike limit!
Unless Pete can convince them that his old bike which is going to the bike
orphanage in E'burgh is not a bike but a heap of rust 😉

It might coincide with a trip to I**A so I'd have the trailer on the back of
the c*r and bring the youngest in a trailer or child seat (then argue that
it is a pushchair, not a bike ;-)

I believe the current date is saturday 28th August. I've managed to take
a third bike on two Scotrail trains... and it was the recumbent. I do
think that it comes down to the attitude of the guard though.

WRT Pete's old bike. Could you remove both wheels on arrival at the
station and chuck it in a bin bag with the frame still accessible as a
handle. This would now be "luggage"!

Jon

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Have we decided on whether it'll be Saturday or Sunday yet? I'm in
danger of one of them getting booked before I can buy my ticket to the
show.

I would guess that Saturday would be easier for most people. I'll work
on that assumption and send out a confirmation email next week. Once I
know numbers, I can buy some tickets.

Jon

Jon Senior said:

I believe the current date is saturday 28th August. I've managed to take
a third bike on two Scotrail trains... and it was the recumbent. I do
think that it comes down to the attitude of the guard though.

A pal who regularly commutes (with a Brompton) says this is very much
the case, with some happy to accommodate as many cyclists as they feel
can fit in a rare display of customer oriented service, and others who
seem to feel that the sooner they reduce the two bike limit to just
shooting the rider dead at the ticket office the better...

Quoted message said:

WRT Pete's old bike. Could you remove both wheels on arrival at the
station and chuck it in a bin bag with the frame still accessible as a
handle. This would now be "luggage"!

This is actually worth thinking about, since it won't be going any
further than the Bike Station at Waverley in any case.

In case there's anyone who might want it, it's an old and low spec but
still quite serviceable (with a little TLC) tourer. 12 speed SIS gears
with downtube shifters and Weinman brakes, racks front and back. High
tensile steel frame, so nothing fancy, and it does need some rust
cleaning off the racks etc. as I haven't really used it since I went
Dark, but it's basically sound and should be fit for plenty of miles
yet. 21.5" frame IIRC, 700c alloy wheels. Free to a good home, but "a
good home" doesn't include somebody's spares bin: I'd like it to be
ridden again.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

in message <[email hidden]>, Gawnsoft

(') said:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:52:30 +0100, Jon Senior
<jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote (more or less):

Quoted message said:

Peter Clinch [email hidden] opined the following...

Quoted message said:

There is now proof online that a Fiero Tour with Roos and Radical
panniers on board makes for a very good liking bike, and also that
I'm not going to win any photography awards any time soon...

Start at http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/tourdunord.htm

You're right, they look awsome!

Roos, will you be bringing luggage to the u.r.c (Ed) meet?

Have we decided on whether it'll be Saturday or Sunday yet? I'm in
danger of one of them getting booked before I can buy my ticket to the
show.

I believe Jon said Saturday?

Also, where shall we meet up? Middle Meadow Walk somewhere, to have
somewhere quiet and flat to play with unfamiliar vehicles?

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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Also, where shall we meet up? Middle Meadow Walk somewhere, to have
somewhere quiet and flat to play with unfamiliar vehicles?

Sounds like the perfect place. It is, after all, where I was introduced
to the power of the Dark Side.

Jon

Jon Senior said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Also, where shall we meet up? Middle Meadow Walk somewhere, to have
somewhere quiet and flat to play with unfamiliar vehicles?

Sounds like the perfect place. It is, after all, where I was
introduced to the power of the Dark Side.

Jon

Fine with me. Interestingly enough, having lived in Edinburgh all my life I
don't think I've ever cycled through the Meadows.
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in message <[email hidden]>, Mark

(') said:

Jon Senior said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Also, where shall we meet up? Middle Meadow Walk somewhere, to have
somewhere quiet and flat to play with unfamiliar vehicles?

Sounds like the perfect place. It is, after all, where I was
introduced to the power of the Dark Side.

Fine with me. Interestingly enough, having lived in Edinburgh all my
life I don't think I've ever cycled through the Meadows.

Ha! When I lived in Edinburgh cycling in the Meadows was strictly
verboten. So, of course, we did.

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Mark [email hidden] opined the following...

Quoted message said:

Fine with me. Interestingly enough, having lived in Edinburgh all my life I
don't think I've ever cycled through the Meadows.

TBH, unless you are particularly desperate for a shortcut, or have a
desire to get off the road, Melville Drive makes a better round the side
route, and if you need to get across from Teviot Row, then you were
probably heading the wrong way!

They do however make a very good place to learn bike skills. A good
gentle slope to freewheel down, and no cars (Although when busy, you
have to work on your pedestrian dodging skills!).

Jon

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:48:15 +0100, Jon Senior
<jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote (more or less):

Quoted message said:

Mark [email hidden] opined the following...

Quoted message said:

Fine with me. Interestingly enough, having lived in Edinburgh all my life I
don't think I've ever cycled through the Meadows.

TBH, unless you are particularly desperate for a shortcut, or have a
desire to get off the road, Melville Drive makes a better round the side
route, and if you need to get across from Teviot Row, then you were
probably heading the wrong way!

They do however make a very good place to learn bike skills. A good
gentle slope to freewheel down, and no cars (Although when busy, you
have to work on your pedestrian dodging skills!).

I used to commute from Bruntsfield to the Commie Pool, and after a
while I stopped using Grange Loan and started using Valleyfield
St/Melville Drive as far as Marchmont Road, then, Melville Terrace
(which made the right turn at the end of the Meadows easier)

I do use the Meadows when I'm gong to the Old Town.

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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:52:55 +0100, Peter Clinch
<[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

Quoted message said:

Jon Senior said:

I believe the current date is saturday 28th August. I've managed to take
a third bike on two Scotrail trains... and it was the recumbent. I do
think that it comes down to the attitude of the guard though.

A pal who regularly commutes (with a Brompton) says this is very much
the case, with some happy to accommodate as many cyclists as they feel
can fit in a rare display of customer oriented service, and others who
seem to feel that the sooner they reduce the two bike limit to just
shooting the rider dead at the ticket office the better...

Quoted message said:

WRT Pete's old bike. Could you remove both wheels on arrival at the
station and chuck it in a bin bag with the frame still accessible as a
handle. This would now be "luggage"!

This is actually worth thinking about, since it won't be going any
further than the Bike Station at Waverley in any case.

In case there's anyone who might want it, it's an old and low spec but
still quite serviceable (with a little TLC) tourer. 12 speed SIS gears
with downtube shifters and Weinman brakes, racks front and back. High
tensile steel frame, so nothing fancy, and it does need some rust
cleaning off the racks etc. as I haven't really used it since I went
Dark, but it's basically sound and should be fit for plenty of miles
yet. 21.5" frame IIRC, 700c alloy wheels. Free to a good home, but "a
good home" doesn't include somebody's spares bin: I'd like it to be
ridden again.

Aah - does this mean you'll be arriving sans Brompton or 'bent?

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Jon Senior jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk said:

They do however make a very good place to learn bike skills. A good
gentle slope to freewheel down, and no cars (Although when busy, you
have to work on your pedestrian dodging skills!).

As it is the festival, wouldn't it be *very* busy? Or is it far enough way
from everything?

Roos