Panniers.

Brian said:

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Of course, Vaude and Ortlieb are probably equally good, but both much
better than the competition. On the other hand, a set of Altura
panniers and some poly bags does the job :-)

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Thats very true - I do hill walking, and my rucksack isn't 100%
waterproof - so is a 100% waterproof pair of panniers really
necessary?

A lightweight bike with gears isn't /necessary/ though...

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I was going to order a set of Ortlieb Bike Packers - not so sure now.
A set of Altura panniers + a small rucksack liner may be the best
solution?

The Ortliebs will keep dry stuff dry, even with water splashing around from
the wheels. I use an Ortliebv rack-top pack for every day commuting because
I really don't want tyo have to double-bag my tools, food, clothes and
anything I'm taking home from the office on a wet day. You put them in the
bag, close it, and stop worrying.

Which is not to say a cheap bag wouldn't do the job. It mainly depends, I
think, on how much money you have and how often you want to use the things.

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Peter Clinch said:

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

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You can get pockets which clip on, I have a pair which I might be
selling because I am going to buy proper recumbent panniers.

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else? The Radicals Roos got for the Fiero (the 55l/pair model) worked
very well on tour but one thing about them was they don't really let you
mount and dismount them easily, which can be a nuisance, and they don't
really work any other way except as a pair. This is no problem on a
tour, of course, but she's more likely to use one of the Orkneys for a
day tour. A definite plus point of the Rads is the bike looks even
cooler with the luggage on! ;-)

If someone is kind enough to shout "JPEGs or retract!" than maybe Pete
will get around to scanning the holiday pics 🙂

Roos

Brian,

I have experience with only Ortlieb and Carradice, so...

Given that, if I had to make a choice, either would work well for me.

My daily rides have Carradice hanging from the seat and handle bars and in the past I've used them in conjunction with Ortliebs front and rear on Tubus racks.

Bob Cohen
Hohenfels (where rain is considered "sunny"😉, Germany

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says...

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Which 'bent bags are you planning on, Carradice, Radical or something
else? The Radicals Roos got for the Fiero (the 55l/pair model) worked
very well on tour but one thing about them was they don't really let you
mount and dismount them easily, which can be a nuisance, and they don't
really work any other way except as a pair. This is no problem on a
tour, of course, but she's more likely to use one of the Orkneys for a
day tour. A definite plus point of the Rads is the bike looks even
cooler with the luggage on! ;-)

JPEGs or retract! ;-)

Jon

"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote ...

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Of course, Vaude and Ortlieb are probably equally good, but both much
better than the competition. On the other hand, a set of Altura
panniers and some poly bags does the job :-)

Guy

As the owner of one pair of each (Vaude / Ortlieb) I'd like to beg to
differ- my Ortleibs are easier on / off the bike due to the better
construction of the mounting system, and are distinctly more waterproof. If
I had to do it again, I would have paid the extra for the Ortlieb front bags
instead of getting the Vaude front bags.

I agree that if money is tight a set of Altura bags and some poly bags will
do the job. If the OP really starts doing a lot of cycle camping he may find
himself saving for a better set of bags when the cheap ones wear out.
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mark

mark said:

I agree that if money is tight a set of Altura bags and some poly bags will
do the job.

Of course, Altura are not a cheap 'n nasty brand by any stretch and even
their lower models cost Actual Money. You get a different set of
strengths, namely lots of accessible pockets rather than full
waterproofing (or at least that's the case on my Orkneys).
Though the Orkneys came with rain covers I don't like them and don't use
them, but stuff in them tends to stay dry anyway. The real win with
Ortliebs is the fixing system, IMHO, rather than the waterproofing.

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If the OP really starts doing a lot of cycle camping he may find
himself saving for a better set of bags when the cheap ones wear out.

In '89 I was given a set of Carradice's basic vanilla panniers
(Overlanders) for my New Bike. These are quite a way downmarket from
Super Cs. Yes, I have replaced them with the Ortliebs and Alturas, but
the reason for that is Carradice fixings "only" go up to 11mm tubes and
trhe Streetmachine has 12mm rack tubing, so they wouldn't fit. I handed
the Overlanders on to a friend and they're still in regular use, so
they've had 15 years solid use including commuting, touring and shopping
and aside from replacing the elastic/retainer hook and the buckles
there's been nothing to do to keep them serviceable. I can't see that
cheaper Alturas would be much different, and so I think they'd last a
/long/ time.

Pete.
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Thanks for *all* the replies and suggestions.

Got a day off tomorrow. Since I now have bought my bike I'm planning on
heading to Edinburgh Bicycle and seeing what they have in the way of
panniers. I'd prefer to actually see the panniers in my hands rather than
buy online.

I'd rather spend the extra and get a decent set of panniers -
waterproofness would be a boon. Not too worried about cost as I'd rather
pay a little more and buy once rather than buy cheap only to have to
replace them in the future.

Hopefully I'll get something tomorrow!

regards

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Brian

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:13:44 +0100, Peter Clinch
<[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

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mark said:

I agree that if money is tight a set of Altura bags and some poly bags will
do the job.

Of course, Altura are not a cheap 'n nasty brand by any stretch and even
their lower models cost Actual Money.

Although I just spent £39.99 for a pair of Altura Arran rears (36
litre capacity each)

Pretty much I wanted a single rear pannier that would take my small
rucsac.

(EBC have a pair of rears for £20, but they're tiny 20 litre capacity
each)

This is as close as I got. And to the folk who posted a while ago
that the Karrimor hybrid pannier-cum-rucsac (the 'Racpac'😉 was the
work of Stan, I can only agree.

However teh person who bought me it for my birthday has lost the
receipt, and EBC seem to have not bothered taking down the details of
the sale in their computer (the only time this has ever happened in
his or my experience), so I can't take it back and swap iot for
something useful.

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On 10 Aug 2004 20:15:15 GMT, Brian <[email hidden]>
wrote (more or less):

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Thanks for *all* the replies and suggestions.

Got a day off tomorrow. Since I now have bought my bike I'm planning on
heading to Edinburgh Bicycle and seeing what they have in the way of
panniers. I'd prefer to actually see the panniers in my hands rather than
buy online.

I'd rather spend the extra and get a decent set of panniers -
waterproofness would be a boon. Not too worried about cost as I'd rather
pay a little more and buy once rather than buy cheap only to have to
replace them in the future.

Hopefully I'll get something tomorrow!

It's well worth visiting Biketrax too.

If anything, Biketrax (in Lochrin Place, between the Kings theatre and
the Cameo cinema, if that helps) have a bigger display of panniers,
and they're within 10-15 minutes stroll of EBC.

The two shops have almost entirely complementary displays.

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It's well worth visiting Biketrax too.

If anything, Biketrax (in Lochrin Place, between the Kings theatre and
the Cameo cinema, if that helps) have a bigger display of panniers,
and they're within 10-15 minutes stroll of EBC.

Ooh, thanks for that. I'll be passing that way on my way up to EBC, so I'll
have a look in Biketrax, then have a look in EBC, hopefully either of these
shops will have decent panniers.

regards

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Brian

Gawnsoft said:

Although I just spent =A339.99 for a pair of Altura Arran rears (36
litre capacity each)

No, not each. 36 for the pair.

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(EBC have a pair of rears for =A320, but they're tiny 20 litre capacity=

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each)

My Ortlieb rear rollers are (a) not tiny, and (b) are 20 litre capacity=20
each. That's fairly normal for rear panniers.

Altura's biggest pannier (AFAICT) is the Orkney, and the rears are 25l=20
each. Looks like you missed out on something bigger by not getting the=20
EBC ones, rather than them being tiny, but if the Arrans are big enough=20
then it's not a problem.

Pete.
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Well, just back from the shops.

Opted for Ortlieb Rear Roller Classics.

Not entirely sure about them though, part of me is thinking that the shiny
ortlieb material isn't very abrasion resistant Am I correct to think this?

hmmm

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Brian

Brian said:

Well, just back from the shops.

Opted for Ortlieb Rear Roller Classics.

Not entirely sure about them though, part of me is thinking that the shiny
ortlieb material isn't very abrasion resistant Am I correct to think this?

No, they're bombproof, at least up to pretty nasty values of "bomb"...
I use Ortlieb dry bags made from the same stuff which get dragged in and
out of tight kayak hatches with the odd bit of sand and gravel in and
they're all doing fine.

You have a classic piece of kit there that has gained a reputation as
one of /the/ cycle panniers available. So don't panic!

Pete.
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Jon Senior said:

JPEGs or retract! ;-)

There is now proof online that a Fiero Tour with Roos and Radical
panniers on board makes for a very good liking bike, and also that I'm
not going to win any photography awards any time soon...

Start at http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/tourdunord.htm

If you hurry, you'll see it before I ruin it with the planned text!

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Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> wrote in
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No, they're bombproof, at least up to pretty nasty values of "bomb"...
I use Ortlieb dry bags made from the same stuff which get dragged in
and out of tight kayak hatches with the odd bit of sand and gravel in
and they're all doing fine.

You have a classic piece of kit there that has gained a reputation as
one of /the/ cycle panniers available. So don't panic!

Pete.

Thats good to hear. Just my new bike to collect on Saturday then I'll fit
the panniers and go for a cycle.

cheers

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Brian

Paul Rudin <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Don't worry about it - mine are more than 10 years old and have been
used most days in that time and, whilst they're not as shiny as when
new, they're still perfectly servicable.

Thanks for the reply - thats put my mind at ease.

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Brian

"Brian" wrote

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Well, just back from the shops.

Opted for Ortlieb Rear Roller Classics.

Not entirely sure about them though, part of me is thinking that the shiny
ortlieb material isn't very abrasion resistant Am I correct to think

this?

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The shiny Ortlieb material looks (to my eyes) remarkably like the material
used for haul bags (used by rock climbers to haul food, water, and gear on
multi-day rock climbs. Am I correct?
If you can match that kind of abuse while bicycle touring I'll be very
impressed!

I think you'll be glad you bought the bags.
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mark

Brian said:

Well, just back from the shops.

Opted for Ortlieb Rear Roller Classics.

Not entirely sure about them though, part of me is thinking that the shiny
ortlieb material isn't very abrasion resistant Am I correct to think this?

Don't worry about it - mine are more than 10 years old and have been
used most days in that time and, whilst they're not as shiny as when
new, they're still perfectly servicable.

Peter Clinch [email hidden] opined the following...

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There is now proof online that a Fiero Tour with Roos and Radical
panniers on board makes for a very good liking bike, and also that I'm
not going to win any photography awards any time soon...

Start at http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/tourdunord.htm

You're right, they look awsome!

Roos, will you be bringing luggage to the u.r.c (Ed) meet?

Jon

Jon Senior jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk said:

Roos, will you be bringing luggage to the u.r.c (Ed) meet?

I wasn't planning too. The Radical bags seem to work best when they have
enough stuff in them to give them shape. They do have a stiff padding that
gives some shape, and internal and external straps etc. but they seem
saggy when half empty. And as they don't attach to the frame directly you
have to use both at the same time.

I could of course fill them up with a load of the plastic air bags that
everything seems to be shipped in nowadays.

Roos