Pam does it!

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Phil M. wrote in message ...

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Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from
qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com of 28 Mar 2005:

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Congratulations to Pam. This is clearly a great accomplishment,

but

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it's an outlier from the organized ultra world and really does not
deserve the attention it's getting.

From a website about Yannis Kouros, on route to his 1000 mile

world

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record in 1988:

'The first day, Yiannis covered 144 miles. By the fourth day, he

had

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456 miles put away. He had not slept at all. "I didn't sleep for

the

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first four days because of low flying jet aircraft taking off and
landing every few minutes close to the circuit." (Rafferty {UR})

The

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first sleep he took, he wanted only one hour and forty five

minutes,

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but, "I came to the point when my body was almost dead."'

http://www.lehigh.edu/dmd1/public/www-data/yiannis.html

Thus, the not sleeping for 300 miles appears to be non-starter. I

was

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trying to find a more definitive website on comparable extreme

ultra

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records, but was unable to come up with much. Anyone who knows of

such

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please share them.

No, but more on Yiannis Kouros
http://www.coolrunning.com.au/ultra/kouros.shtml

Kouros is clearly the owner of the WR in several ultra-distance

events.

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What I don't understand is Pam and Dean's state of denial that the

guy

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even existed.

Phil M.

Nice article thanks Phil. Damn 303.5 km in 24 hours; 188.5 miles,

7.85mph,

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7:38min/mile... truly amazing.

I think the most important thing in a running record is to either get
from point A to point B in the least amount of time, or given time X,
see where point B ends up (24 hour race, etc.). It shouldn't matter if
you have to stop to sleep, eat, change shoes, whatever. Is it that the
ultra running community is so loosley organized that anyone can come up
with some weird stipulation and claim themselves the record holder?

Phil M.

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Tony remove said:

Phil M. wrote in message ...

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Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from
qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com of 28 Mar 2005:

> Congratulations to Pam. This is clearly a great accomplishment,

but

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> it's an outlier from the organized ultra world and really does not
> deserve the attention it's getting.
>
> From a website about Yannis Kouros, on route to his 1000 mile

world

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> record in 1988:
>
> 'The first day, Yiannis covered 144 miles. By the fourth day, he

had

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> 456 miles put away. He had not slept at all. "I didn't sleep for

the

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> first four days because of low flying jet aircraft taking off and
> landing every few minutes close to the circuit." (Rafferty {UR})

The

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> first sleep he took, he wanted only one hour and forty five

minutes,

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> but, "I came to the point when my body was almost dead."'
>
> http://www.lehigh.edu/dmd1/public/www-data/yiannis.html
>
> Thus, the not sleeping for 300 miles appears to be non-starter. I

was

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> trying to find a more definitive website on comparable extreme

ultra

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> records, but was unable to come up with much. Anyone who knows of

such

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> please share them.

No, but more on Yiannis Kouros
http://www.coolrunning.com.au/ultra/kouros.shtml

Kouros is clearly the owner of the WR in several ultra-distance

events.

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What I don't understand is Pam and Dean's state of denial that the

guy

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even existed.

Phil M.

Nice article thanks Phil. Damn 303.5 km in 24 hours; 188.5 miles,

7.85mph,

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7:38min/mile... truly amazing.

I think the most important thing in a running record is to either get
from point A to point B in the least amount of time, or given time X,
see where point B ends up (24 hour race, etc.). It shouldn't matter if
you have to stop to sleep, eat, change shoes, whatever. Is it that the
ultra running community is so loosley organized that anyone can come up
with some weird stipulation and claim themselves the record holder?

Phil M.

I quite agree, and, aside from a certain amount of respect anyone who runs
continuously for 300 miles would get, I seriously doubt anyone in the ultra
community considers this a record of any kind.

I think Pam did it mainly as an exercise in mental toughness and to spite
Dean, who in my view is just trying to invent his own rules. There's nothing
wrong with that but it's unfortunate that people are getting the idea he's
doing something new, or something remarkable in the ultra world, which he is
clearly not.

The not sleeping thing is just silly. It reminds me of a discovery channel
show I saw a few years ago about a disc jockey who took a challenge to stay
up for x number of days. I can't recall the details, but it so messed up his
mind in the end that he lost his job and descended into madness. This is the
sort of territory Dean is leading us into. Pam is a useful foil to Dean's
silliness IMO.

-Tony

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.....Dot....does DK have you on retainer?

"....told the Citizen he
might have been able to do it if he ran a flat course like Reed. His
course was partly in the hills of northern California."

Dot, the newspaper itself is reporting what DK said to them first hand
and direct. Do you think the newspaper is not being accurate? it
really does not matter much if it was before or after, why reduce and
or marginalize the lady's run? that's exactly what he did by saying
his was the tougher challenge and feeling the need to place himself in
separating context.

FYI, DK made this statement after doing his 262M run months ago. It was
in response to the reporter's asking him how far he thought he might be
able to eventually go and not in response to Reed. DK said one would
probably be able to go farther on a flat course as opposed to the hilly
one he had just done. The other reporter on the Reed run then took that
quote and qualified it by adding "like Reed". Pam Reed had not even
considered doing a 300M run at the time DK did his 262M and made the
300M flat statement. In fact she only put her run together AFTER DK had
announced his plans for his 300M run. In other words, her run was a rip
off of his idea.

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I think Pam did it mainly as an exercise in mental toughness and to spite
Dean,

Ah, the age old motivations of ego and sex!

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...who in my view is just trying to invent his own rules.

Wait -- there are rules? My impression was you could jog,
walk, crawl, get a massage, take breaks, and maybe even
take nap standing up (or when you get the massage)? As
long as the media still calls it a "nonstop run" you're O.K. 🙂

Alright, so I'm being facetious :^)

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The not sleeping thing is just silly. It reminds me of a discovery channel
show I saw a few years ago about a disc jockey who took a challenge to stay
up for x number of days. I can't recall the details, but it so messed up his
mind in the end that he lost his job and descended into madness. This is the
sort of territory Dean is leading us into. Pam is a useful foil to Dean's
silliness IMO.

Ah, but the point is runners are all already mad. It's
just that no one notices 'cause they're always running.
Stopping a run to go to work or bathe or talk to a
reporter is just temporary sanity...

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I'm sure they are laying down when they are being massaged. FWIW
sleep
is THE issue, not motion, not position etc.

But if sleep is the issue, then Kouros has the legit record, right
(456 miles,
in 4 days, I think) ? I can see why Karnazes is trying to obfuscate
the issue
with some contrived "record" -- it's because he's not in the same
class
(athletically or otherwise) as Kouros.

Not to belittle either of them as they are both great runners. As for
all this "record" stuff, it is hype and headline grabbing BS.

-DF

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Is it that the
ultra running community is so loosley organized that anyone can come
up
with some weird stipulation and claim themselves the record holder?

I hold the record in many races for falling and receiving style points
less than 3.5(and I thought the French judge was in my pocket)

-Doug

The Trailrunner said:

FYI, DK made this statement after doing his 262M run months ago. It was
in response to the reporter's asking him how far he thought he might be
able to eventually go and not in response to Reed. DK said one would
probably be able to go farther on a flat course as opposed to the hilly
one he had just done. The other reporter on the Reed run then took that
quote and qualified it by adding "like Reed". Pam Reed had not even
considered doing a 300M run at the time DK did his 262M and made the
300M flat statement. In fact she only put her run together AFTER DK had
announced his plans for his 300M run. In other words, her run was a rip
off of his idea.

Thanks, Trailrunner. That was exactly my interpretation of what was
written.

Dot

--
"running is a mysterious journey that we take not just to beat other
people or to stay in reasonable physical shape - but to find out more
about ourselves" - Owen Anderson

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Is it that the
ultra running community is so loosley organized that anyone can come
up
with some weird stipulation and claim themselves the record holder?

I hold the record in many races for falling and receiving style points
less than 3.5(and I thought the French judge was in my pocket)

Must have been the beer, rather than Mountain Dew ^)

I think someone posted earlier that Pam claimed only to be the first
'woman' to run 300 miles non-stop. Well here is her press release and
the first line says "first person" which is flat out false. Why do
people have to lie about their accomplishments? And actually with Pam,
since she is using this to promote her upcoming book and tv
appearances, one could argue that it is in fact fraud. If anyone has
Pam's email address please forward to me, I would like to send her a
note and ask her to defend this statement in the press release.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Pam Reed Becomes First Person Ever to Run 300 Miles
Non-Stop; London and Boston Marathons are Next

TUCSON, AZ (March 30, 2005) - Pam Reed didn't know whether to feel
amazed, relieved or simply crazed after accomplishing what no other
distance runner had ever done - running 300 miles non-stop.
"Yeah, I think I'm pretty crazy," the 44-year-old mother
and stepmother of five said a day after covering 301 miles in 78 hours
in her hometown of Tucson. "I'm just pretty amazed that I even tried to
do this. I'm very glad it's over."
Reed, who is writing her memoir, Finish! with co-author and
marathoner Bob Yehling, began her odyssey Friday morning, March 26. The
proposal, which was presented to publishers this week, focuses on
Reed's ascendance as a world-class athlete after age 40, her two
victories in the grueling Badwater Ultramarathon, her past struggles
with life-threatening anorexia nervosa, her balancing act as
businesswoman-mother-wife-race director-ultramarathoner, and her place
as an emerging spokeswoman for fitness and proper eating.
She ran right through Easter weekend, missing her own feature segment
on 60 Minutes, and finished early Monday afternoon. By Tuesday morning,
she was on a plane to New York, where she is appearing Wednesday on the
Tony Danza Show.
What was the hardest part of the experience was toughest -
sleep deprivation, the sheer mileage, wear-and-tear on her legs and
feet or the thought of running for more than three consecutive days in
the middle of the Sonoran Desert?
"Definitely staying focused. That was very difficult,
especially the final 12 hours," Reed said. "When I made the turn on the
course at 250 miles, I thought, 'I can't believe I have to go another
50 miles. Then, in the last 25 miles, I made a mistake; I thought I
could get away with not eating, since I wasn't hungry. That wasn't
wise. The last 25 miles were really hard."
Her feat easily eclipses the old unofficial non-stop
mileage record of 262 miles, held by Dean Karnazes.
"Pam's achievement is amazing - one of the loudest
statements on the outer potential of the human being regarding
endurance that has ever been made," Yehling said. "It is so important
to her, in everything she does, to see how far she can take it, and
then translate that into fitness advice for people everywhere so they,
too, will push themselves a little harder - though not for 300 miles.
This is an incredibly inspiring feat."
Reed will spend the third weekend in April trying to
accomplish another running first. On April 17, she will run the London
Marathon. Then she will jump on a plane, fly to Boston, and run the
prestigious Boston Marathon - twice. She will run from Boston to
Hopkinton in the morning, then turn around and join the field of 20,000
for the 109th running of the official race in the afternoon.