over training or over stressed

sounds like you are both
is your HR higher than normal?
what about BP
i say exercise evrothr day for a week and see how you feel.
i did and my running got better
plodzilla

Beasley said:

How do you know when you are over training? How do you do with your
training during periods of high stress?

I've been running about 30 to 35 miles a week for the last 3 months, working
out 3 times a week, and playing tennis once or twice a week. But outside of
training my work and personal life have been in over-drive. My wife and I
are just about to close our first condo next week. I'm changing gears with
my job (I'm a co-owner) going into full time sales for our small company.
Training someone to take over my current position that has taken me 6 years
to conquer and fail at many times. So I'm very maxed out.

My energy levels have been escaping me lately. Can't run has hard, for
example I've been cutting my speed repeats by two or three reps, cut down
the miles a little, and just can't seem to get extra tired during my runs
and workouts.

Is this normal? Should I rest a little, cut back, or what?

If you know what I'm talking about, let me know how you've dealt with this.

Thanks,

Tom

Beasley said:

How do you know when you are over training? How do you do with your
training during periods of high stress?

I've been running about 30 to 35 miles a week for the last 3 months, working
out 3 times a week, and playing tennis once or twice a week. But outside of
training my work and personal life have been in over-drive. My wife and I
are just about to close our first condo next week. I'm changing gears with
my job (I'm a co-owner) going into full time sales for our small company.
Training someone to take over my current position that has taken me 6 years
to conquer and fail at many times. So I'm very maxed out.

My energy levels have been escaping me lately. Can't run has hard, for
example I've been cutting my speed repeats by two or three reps, cut down
the miles a little, and just can't seem to get extra tired during my runs
and workouts.

Is this normal?

yes - it's normal for running performance to suffer when you've got too
many things going on.

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Should I rest a little, cut back, or what?

probably both - at least until past some stress points in your life. But
if the running relaxes you, then use that as a stress reliever, but
perhaps shorten the runs, forget about speed repeats for awhile, maybe
leave the watch at home (gasp!) a day or two.

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If you know what I'm talking about, let me know how you've dealt with this.

I normally cut back on the running, esp. during field season. Too many
things at one time and everything suffers. And I can't buy running shoes
unless I have a job (or at least it used to be that way) so that has to
have some level of priority. In fact, there may be weeks when I can't
run at all during the summer (at least in the past).
You have your choice of cutting back on running,
working out, or playing tennis. Choose your priorities - whichever means
the most to you or provides you with the greatest stress relief. I'm
assuming you'd put a priority on the condo closing and your job over the
other activities 😉
Dot
--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

I think the 90% factor of not know what I am doing come into
play.
so ether way Your screwed. you most likely are going to wreck what
ever you plan on doing.
Example.
the hurt factor.
any touch to your body and you fold up.
anything said and you blow up.....
anything happens evan dropping something on the floor and you can't
cope with this any more.
we all do this. over train, over work, over run, roger that.
your old.... and you run and hid under a rock.......
like why do I get up when the sun shines....
or why do I sleep when the night dark skies are here.
I am old evan if I don't feel od..... so my son if this is what is
place on my table...i should be old.........
as for you.
father well tell you what to do....
as for rest....
the hurt factor in play.....
my opinion. you are total screwed.
step to side and let big boys pass. or get run over.I am not going to
like gong around you.
I am old......your screwed. by by. move over there man.I coming
thru.make way. on your left, on your right.
I well be in recumbent bike area.maybe pink (uj) since texas can't
wear yellow ane/mone. 13 more tuesday till elections.

Beasley said:

Is this normal? Should I rest a little, cut back, or what?

Yes. Forget about heavy training, just try to follow a maintenance routine.
That means less (or no) speed work, and when (if) you do speed work, do the
easy stuff (tempo runs, short hill repeats). Try to maintain reasonable milage,
it will make it easier to come back.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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"Beasley" [email hidden]

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How do you know when you are over training?

Some people take their pulse first thing every morning. The believe that a
raised rest pulse can be a sign of a need for more recovery time.

Gleshna

Overheard at 2004 ESA Northeastern Regional Surf Contest:

"F%&*, I got beaten by a guy from the Great Lakes!"

"Beasley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

How do you know when you are over training? How do you do with your
training during periods of high stress?

I know I'm overtaining or getting sick if my pulse is significantly e
levated when I check in the morning. Anything 5 beats higher than
normal and I take it easy (but still run). If it is 10 beats over or more,
no running at all that day.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON)
www.allfalldown.org
www.absolutelyaccurate.com

I won't address the "emotional" side of your stress, since this is as
much attitude as anything else. Your "stress" issues would be
"pleasures" for many people - e.g. ones loosing their jobs, not able
to afford their rent, etc ....

Regarding your workouts, playing tennis is a big variable, depending
on the level and competition involved. There is a big difference in a
friendly doubles game, vs competive league play in a tennis league.
At my age now (50), mixing tennis and running helps neither.

Anyway, if you feel tired, regardless of the reason, change your
workout a little. Slow the pace, increase the miles, put away the
stop-watch, and even take a few days off.

Steven

Beasley said:

How do you know when you are over training? How do you do with your
training during periods of high stress?

I've been running about 30 to 35 miles a week for the last 3 months, working
out 3 times a week, and playing tennis once or twice a week. But outside of
training my work and personal life have been in over-drive. My wife and I
are just about to close our first condo next week. I'm changing gears with
my job (I'm a co-owner) going into full time sales for our small company.
Training someone to take over my current position that has taken me 6 years
to conquer and fail at many times. So I'm very maxed out.

My energy levels have been escaping me lately. Can't run has hard, for
example I've been cutting my speed repeats by two or three reps, cut down
the miles a little, and just can't seem to get extra tired during my runs
and workouts.

Is this normal? Should I rest a little, cut back, or what?

If you know what I'm talking about, let me know how you've dealt with this.

Thanks,

Tom

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How do you know when you are over training?

Your heart will explode.

Quoted message said:

How do you do with your
training during periods of high stress?

No apparent changes here.

Quoted message said:

I've been running about 30 to 35 miles a week for the last 3 months, working
out 3 times a week, and playing tennis once or twice a week. But outside of
training my work and personal life have been in over-drive. My wife and I
are just about to close our first condo next week. I'm changing gears with
my job (I'm a co-owner) going into full time sales for our small company.
Training someone to take over my current position that has taken me 6 years
to conquer and fail at many times. So I'm very maxed out.

My energy levels have been escaping me lately. Can't run has hard, for
example I've been cutting my speed repeats by two or three reps, cut down
the miles a little, and just can't seem to get extra tired during my runs
and workouts.

Is this normal? Should I rest a little, cut back, or what?

What's up with the "speed workouts"? Are you training for a race? On
some kind of time trials while you run? Seriously, unless you're a
racer there is no reason whatsoever to run fast. Of course you are
probably a type 1 personality who just HAS TO run faster even though
there's no reason for it, and this will put you in an early grave. RIP

Quoted message said:

How do you know when you are over training? How do you do with your
training during periods of high stress?

I've been running about 30 to 35 miles a week for the last 3 months, working
out 3 times a week, and playing tennis once or twice a week. But outside of
training my work and personal life have been in over-drive. My wife and I
are just about to close our first condo next week. I'm changing gears with
my job (I'm a co-owner) going into full time sales for our small company.
Training someone to take over my current position that has taken me 6 years
to conquer and fail at many times. So I'm very maxed out.

My energy levels have been escaping me lately. Can't run has hard, for
example I've been cutting my speed repeats by two or three reps, cut down
the miles a little, and just can't seem to get extra tired during my runs
and workouts.

Is this normal? Should I rest a little, cut back, or what?

If you know what I'm talking about, let me know how you've dealt with this.

Thanks,

Tom

The formula for progress over time is:

Stress + Rest => Optimal Progress

Life stress is part of the stress part. If this part of the stress goes way
up, either (a) you need a LOT more recovery, or (b) you need to reduce other
stress (i.e., training load) to compensate.

Frank overtraining is not something you get into like turning a switch. If you
get this far, you have neglected your body's recovery requirements for some
time and you get into overtraining disease which takes weeks or months to
recover from. Just ask Andy Hass.

Most people who push themselves too far in life get what is known as
overreaching. This is a short term phenomenon that can be recovered from fairly
quickly. This can actually be bemeficial for long term performance IF you cut
back in time.

Like David, I check my pulse every morning, and anything over 4-5 bpm above
normal means an easy/rest day. I also do my warmups at the same effort level
and check my time and finishing pulse, and if I'm running slow or the HR is
higher than normal, I know to cut back a hard workout.

Other signs of unsatisfactory progress include:

Difficulty sleeping
Increased frequency of illness
Inability to reach max HR
Loss of flexibility
Increased muscle pain or soreness
Irritability

Any single sign does not necessarily mean overreaching or overtraining (you
could be coming down with a cold or flu), but if you have several of these
signs, you are approaching the danger zone.

For most people in an overreaching state, you can recover with a one week SHARP
cutback; For some of us, the training is even planned this way (3 weeks hard, 1
week easy). In your case, VO2max doesn't start to fall (much) until you have
not trained for 10 days, so I'd consider no running for 5-10 days and you'll
probably be fine.

Lyndon
"Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track Coach
Brooks Johnson

gentolm said:

sounds like you are both
is your HR higher than normal?
what about BP
i say exercise evrothr day for a week and see how you feel.
i did and my running got better
plodzilla

to add to plodzilla's post, also make sure you are
getting enough sleep.

jobs

Overtraining has to be long term (several weeks) with a decrease in
performance that only a long recovery period (several weeks) will resolve.

A factor in overtraining might be under-recovery. Certainly other
non-training stresses can play a role in not recovering. A key catabolic
(something that breaks down the body) is cortisol. Cortisol is
produced/released under times of stress be it training induced or life
induced (like getting married/divorced, birth of a child, etc).

Sounds like you are in a prime high stress period.

I encourage athletes to exercise as best they can during this period. Call
it maintenance if you wish. Reduce volume but maintain some intensity
almost like a taper until non-training stressors are reduced.

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Quoted message said:

How do you know when you are over training? How do you do with your
training during periods of high stress?

I've been running about 30 to 35 miles a week for the last 3 months,

working

Quoted message said:

out 3 times a week, and playing tennis once or twice a week. But outside

of

Quoted message said:

training my work and personal life have been in over-drive. My wife and I
are just about to close our first condo next week. I'm changing gears

with

Quoted message said:

my job (I'm a co-owner) going into full time sales for our small company.
Training someone to take over my current position that has taken me 6

years

Quoted message said:

to conquer and fail at many times. So I'm very maxed out.

My energy levels have been escaping me lately. Can't run has hard, for
example I've been cutting my speed repeats by two or three reps, cut down
the miles a little, and just can't seem to get extra tired during my runs
and workouts.

Is this normal? Should I rest a little, cut back, or what?

If you know what I'm talking about, let me know how you've dealt with

this.

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Thanks,

Tom

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Overtraining

Sam is over idiotfied. Ignore him.

Thanks everyone for your input.

With packing, moving, buying my first place, begining a new job at work,
training my old job to someone new, paying buttloads of money on all new
funirture all the while keeping up with running and working out, I'm
begining to see that I'm just over taxing/stressing my body. I need to
check my heart rate, but I would imagine it should be fine. I think my mind
and body are just tired.

So, I'm going to slow down the runs a little, and drop the miles back.
Hopefully that will help, as I think it will.

Thanks,

Tom