OT: Chuffed to bits

"wafflycat" <wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk>typed

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I make real porridge. I use proper porridge oats but they just cook a damn
sight quicker in the microwave. Microwaves can be extremely useful and do
real porridge to perfection.

I make real porridge in the microwave too. Wonderful stuff!

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Arthur Clune said:

That's not sufficient, and indeed, doesn't do anything for your
core strength. Cycling is pretty unique in that it requires
core strength (for sport cycling) but doesn't develop it.

That seems somewhat unlikely. What is it about cycling that inhibits an
otherwise functional biological response?

Jon

Arthur Clune said:

Jeremy Collins <[email hidden]> wrote:

: I hope you're not a believer in that old "weight training turns fat into
: muscle" myth...

Did you read what I wrote? I said ..

************ If you already have a low body fat *************

You're right; I missed that bit - apologies. Banging on about
something without listening to the other contributor makes me
sound like John Prescott at a press conference which is frankly
unforgivable 🙂

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Jon Senior said:

Arthur Clune said:

That's not sufficient, and indeed, doesn't do anything for your
core strength. Cycling is pretty unique in that it requires core
strength (for sport cycling) but doesn't develop it.

That seems somewhat unlikely. What is it about cycling that inhibits an
otherwise functional biological response?

It's not a case of inhibiting anything; increasing core strengh requires
resistance / weight training (the same as any other body building). So
you need crunches, weighted crunches, hyperextensions, dumbbell side
bends etc.

Simply holding your body in a cycling position doesn't do all
that much [1] to increase core strengh. It's like saying that keeping
your bicep tensed for an hour will give you bigger arms.

[1] I personally wouldn't go as far as Arthur and say "nothing", but
a weekly 45 minute workout at the gym will do *far* more than 6 hours
cycling at the weekend.

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[1] I personally wouldn't go as far as Arthur and say "nothing", but
a weekly 45 minute workout at the gym will do *far* more than 6 hours
cycling at the weekend.

But the gym is nowhere near as much fun as being on the bike. Indeed gym =
hell, cycling = heaven ;-)

Cheers, helen s

Jeremy Collins said:

It's not a case of inhibiting anything; increasing core strengh requires
resistance / weight training (the same as any other body building). So
you need crunches, weighted crunches, hyperextensions, dumbbell side
bends etc.

However, that would imply that core strength (as increased in the gym)
is not actually as necessary to cycling as you might believe. You might
be able to speed up the process, but the necessary gains _will_ be made
through cycling.

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Simply holding your body in a cycling position doesn't do all
that much [1] to increase core strengh. It's like saying that keeping
your bicep tensed for an hour will give you bigger arms.

Which does show that core strength is not required "that much" for
cycling! You do not need bigger arms to keep you bicep tensed for an hour.

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[1] I personally wouldn't go as far as Arthur and say "nothing", but
a weekly 45 minute workout at the gym will do *far* more than 6 hours
cycling at the weekend.

If you can bear the time in the gym and want to look more "honed" than
"Belleville Rendezvous", then do so (Although, I personally recommend
swimming as a balance to the inevitable growth of leg that cycling
produces!).

Jon

On 8/4/05 11:37 pm, in article
[email hidden], "Simon Brooke"

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On 8/4/05 6:55 pm, in article
[email hidden], "Simon Brooke"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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Hah! I had my second blood clot ten days ago. Had my first Heparin
injection at 4.30pm on Wednesday last, and in less than twelve hours
I lost half a stone.

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Ouch.. that sounds somewhat nasty.

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Quite interesting, but not an experience I'd recommend. What was
extraordinarily interesting is that when I strolled into the surgery, I
got practically shouted at that I should not be walking and _must_ not
drive.

Did you ask them if you could ride the bike instead?

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When I finally managed to get hold of some (by calling in favours from
quite a few friends), I returned to the surgery, and was duly injected.
I then asked how soon I could drive and was told 'immediately'... I'm
still baffled by the idea that you can be in a condition where you're
expected to drop dead at any moment, have one magic injection, and be
safe 'immediately', but I suppose that's the nature of magic.

Given that it is a direct acting anticoagulant, yes it is a bit like magic.
IANAMD but I did do my PhD on blood coagulation. It is not a 'clot buster'
but it will help prevent aberrant clots from forming which is why they gave
it to you.

How did you end up losing so much weight though?

...d

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What was
extraordinarily interesting is that when I strolled into the surgery, I
got practically shouted at that I should not be walking and _must_ not
drive. They then gave me a prescription for Heparin, and told me to go
and get it made up, and then come back to have it injected.

Perhaps they expected you to levitate :-/

Blood clot busting cheers, helen s

Jon Senior said:

Jeremy Collins said:

It's not a case of inhibiting anything; increasing core strengh requires
resistance / weight training (the same as any other body building). So
you need crunches, weighted crunches, hyperextensions, dumbbell side
bends etc.

However, that would imply that core strength (as increased in the gym)
is not actually as necessary to cycling as you might believe. You might
be able to speed up the process, but the necessary gains _will_ be made
through cycling.

You could be right. Core-strength exercises in the gym certainly helped
*my* cycling, as I used to get post-ride back pain and now I don't.

I'd like to believe that core strength also means that since all those
stabiliser muscles are stronger, then perhaps cycling endurance is
increased (that sort of general, non-leg fatigue that sets in). I have
no evidence if this is actually the case, though.

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If you can bear the time in the gym and want to look more "honed" than
"Belleville Rendezvous", then do so

Yes I do; partly because I find spending part of my lunch break lifting
weights to be a good break from sitting in front of a computer, and
partly because I engage in other activities (regular Tae Kwon-do and
occasional tennis) that benefit from this.

Helen is absolutely right, though. Being out on the bike is much more
fun than being in the gym!

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On 8/4/05 11:37 pm, in article
[email hidden], "Simon Brooke"

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in message <[email hidden]>, David Martin

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On 8/4/05 6:55 pm, in article
[email hidden], "Simon Brooke"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Hah! I had my second blood clot ten days ago. Had my first Heparin
> injection at 4.30pm on Wednesday last, and in less than twelve
> hours I lost half a stone.

Quoted message said:

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Ouch.. that sounds somewhat nasty.

Quoted message said:

Quite interesting, but not an experience I'd recommend. What was
extraordinarily interesting is that when I strolled into the surgery,
I got practically shouted at that I should not be walking and _must_
not drive.

Did you ask them if you could ride the bike instead?

Yes. The answer was no.

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When I finally managed to get hold of some (by calling in favours
from quite a few friends), I returned to the surgery, and was duly
injected. I then asked how soon I could drive and was told
'immediately'... I'm still baffled by the idea that you can be in a
condition where you're expected to drop dead at any moment, have one
magic injection, and be safe 'immediately', but I suppose that's the
nature of magic.

Given that it is a direct acting anticoagulant, yes it is a bit like
magic. IANAMD but I did do my PhD on blood coagulation. It is not a
'clot buster' but it will help prevent aberrant clots from forming
which is why they gave it to you.

How did you end up losing so much weight though?

The swelling went down pretty rapidly. It seems that it was half a stone
worth of swelling (which looking at it wasn't too hard to believe).

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Jeremy Collins <[email hidden]> wrote:

: You could be right. Core-strength exercises in the gym certainly helped
: *my* cycling, as I used to get post-ride back pain and now I don't.

Obviously the "nothing" in my previous post was a slight exaggeration, but
I stand my the general point. Notice that I also said for "sport cycling"
where you are sprinting/climbing out of the saddle.

I've found it very helpful; not only does it provide a stronger base
for sprinting/climbing from (and you can't work this on the bike easily since
your legs/lungs will give out before you do as much as you could on
the core muscles) but greater core strength and some stretches let
you hold a lower position with more comfort (again, only really
important for sport cycling)

Arthur

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Jeremy Collins <[email hidden]> wrote:

: You could be right. Core-strength exercises in the gym certainly helped
: *my* cycling, as I used to get post-ride back pain and now I don't.

Obviously the "nothing" in my previous post was a slight exaggeration, but
I stand my the general point. Notice that I also said for "sport cycling"
where you are sprinting/climbing out of the saddle.

I've found it very helpful; not only does it provide a stronger base
for sprinting/climbing from (and you can't work this on the bike easily since
your legs/lungs will give out before you do as much as you could on
the core muscles) but greater core strength and some stretches let
you hold a lower position with more comfort (again, only really
important for sport cycling)

Arthur

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wafflycat said:

Got weighed this evening. Lost 2lbs this week. When I started going to
WW, I was verging on the morbidly obese. I am now now longer even obese
- I am merely overweight! Onwards & downwards.

Cheers, helen s

Good for you H, well done.

Sniper8052

Sniper8052(L96A1) said:

wafflycat said:

Got weighed this evening. Lost 2lbs this week. When I started going to
WW, I was verging on the morbidly obese. I am now now longer even
obese - I am merely overweight! Onwards & downwards.

Cheers, helen s

Good for you H, well done.

While I've no problem with the weight watchers here encouraging each
other on, can I suggest a new prefix of WW in the Subject line in the
same manner as OT, FS, FA etc? There's enough traffic on the subject
now to be worth differentiating it from OT as a general prefix.

Just a thought

Tony

Tony Raven said:

While I've no problem with the weight watchers here encouraging each
other on, can I suggest a new prefix of WW in the Subject line in the
same manner as OT, FS, FA etc? There's enough traffic on the subject
now to be worth differentiating it from OT as a general prefix.

Just a thought

And an excellent one :-)

John B

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Good for you H, well done.

Sniper8052

Ta!

Cheers, helen s

wafflycat' wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk said:

Slow & steady is the usual way to help ensure it stays off long
term. I'm finding it relatively easy to lose (51.5lbs since
mid-December),

That's pretty impressive!

Chris
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That's pretty impressive!

Chris

Ta :-) Another 1lb off this week. Did the ride to WW & back on Luigi
tonight. It was lovely - light night, dry, so got the road bike out. Much
faster than on Gino!

Cheers, helen s

wafflycat said:

It was lovely - light night, dry, so got the road bike out. Much
faster than on Gino!

But what, what, has happened to the trice?
We haven't heard anything for ages.

Should we be looking for a bargain in the small ads?

John B

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wafflycat said:

It was lovely - light night, dry, so got the road bike out. Much
faster than on Gino!

But what, what, has happened to the trice?

It was stolen by a youth. Or permanently borrowed, anyway. Do keep up at
the back.

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