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  1. I'm only an occasional cyclist (Brompton owner) who is usually
    infuriated with cyclist who get the rest of us a bad name and motorists
    who don't regard (properly behanved0 cyclists as "traffic".

    Well, I developed an interesting angle on this yesterday when - as a
    pedestrian in Piccadilly - I managed to get knocked down by a cyclist.
    With a number of other people I was crossing a side street at a green
    pelican crossing on (pedestrian) green. Motor traffic had been stopped
    for some time.

    A cyclist apparently came past all the queuing traffic and simply
    ploughed through the red light while the crowd were crossing and
    happened to hit me. I'm not hurt (I managed to get straight up and I
    was surprised at just how many passers by stopped to help) but after
    yelling "[censored]", presumably at me, she just cycled off. This wasn't
    some speeding child or youth but an older woman with helmet and yellow
    jacket

    Oh well, at least it wasn't a car or lorry.......
    --
    Ian Jelf, MITG
    Birmingham, UK

    Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
    http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

  2. Ian Jelf said:

    Oh well, at least it wasn't a car or lorry.......

    Indeed. It's good that you weren't hurt - both for your personal
    interest and to point up the fact that being hit by a bike is less
    serious than being hit by a motor vehicle. Not that I wish to excuse the
    idiot's actions in even the remotest way.

    As for her remarks, well obviously she was in such a hurry that she
    didn't have time to stop and explain fully: "I'm sorry I hit you but the
    problem is that I am a complete [censored]." Her yelling out "[censored]" was
    just shorthand.

    I'm sure that's what she must have meant.

    d.

    (cross-posting removed)

  3. Ian Jelf said:


    A cyclist apparently came past all the queuing traffic and simply
    ploughed through the red light while the crowd were crossing and
    happened to hit me. I'm not hurt (I managed to get straight up and I
    was surprised at just how many passers by stopped to help) but after
    yelling "[censored]", presumably at me, she just cycled off. This wasn't
    some speeding child or youth but an older woman with helmet and yellow
    jacket

    It sounds as if she didn't see the Pelican crossing at all (*)
    and assumed you were a "blind" ped, who stepped in
    front of the noble cyclist (her) without looking.

    BugBear

    (*) although the bloody great red light
    might be considered and adequate clue.

  4. In message <[email hidden]>, Ian Jelf
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    A cyclist apparently came past all the queuing traffic and simply
    ploughed through the red light while the crowd were crossing and
    happened to hit me. I'm not hurt (I managed to get straight up and I
    was surprised at just how many passers by stopped to help) but after
    yelling "[censored]", presumably at me, she just cycled off. This wasn't
    some speeding child or youth but an older woman with helmet and yellow
    jacket

    From my experience as a cyclist in London I know that very few cyclists
    stop for pedestrian crossings or red lights (apart from when the passing
    traffic is too heavy to weave through, or they've spotted a policeman).
    Often they barrel through at high speed and any collision with me would
    have serious consequences. For this reason I try to make sure there is
    absolutely nothing coming when as a pedestrian I need to cross the road.

    I've also noticed that age or lack of lycra is no indication as to
    whether these cyclists will ignore signals.

    --
    congokid
    Good restaurants in London? Read my tips...
    http://congokid.com

  5. Ian Jelf said:

    Well, I developed an interesting angle on this yesterday when - as a
    pedestrian in Piccadilly - I managed to get knocked down by a cyclist.
    With a number of other people I was crossing a side street at a green
    pelican crossing on (pedestrian) green. Motor traffic had been stopped
    for some time.

    Did you report it to the police? If everyone who was hit or nearly hit
    did so they might do something to stop these cyclists who give the rest
    of us a bad name.

  6. "Ian Jelf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm only an occasional cyclist (Brompton owner) who is usually infuriated
    with cyclist who get the rest of us a bad name and motorists who don't
    regard (properly behanved0 cyclists as "traffic".

    Well, I developed an interesting angle on this yesterday when - as a
    pedestrian in Piccadilly - I managed to get knocked down by a cyclist.
    With a number of other people I was crossing a side street at a green
    pelican crossing on (pedestrian) green. Motor traffic had been stopped
    for some time.

    A cyclist apparently came past all the queuing traffic and simply ploughed
    through the red light while the crowd were crossing and happened to hit
    me. I'm not hurt (I managed to get straight up and I was surprised at
    just how many passers by stopped to help) but after yelling "[censored]",
    presumably at me, she just cycled off. This wasn't some speeding child
    or youth but an older woman with helmet and yellow jacket

    Oh well, at least it wasn't a car or lorry.......
    --

    Was she listening to an ipod?

  7. congokid said:

    From my experience as a cyclist in London I know that very few cyclists
    stop for pedestrian crossings or red lights (apart from when the passing
    traffic is too heavy to weave through, or they've spotted a policeman).
    Often they barrel through at high speed and any collision with me would
    have serious consequences

    Bring back umbrella's which, if swung in the appropriate manner, bring
    remarkable results 😉
    --
    ---
    Marten Gerritsen

    INFOapestaartjeM-GINEERINGpuntNL
    www.m-gineering.nl

  8. congokid said:


    From my experience as a cyclist in London I know that very few
    cyclists stop for pedestrian crossings or red lights (apart from when
    the passing traffic is too heavy to weave through, or they've spotted
    a policeman). Often they barrel through at high speed and any
    collision with me would have serious consequences. For this reason I
    try to make sure there is absolutely nothing coming when as a
    pedestrian I need to cross the road.

    As a fellow cyclist, who is disgusted by the arrogant behaviour of this
    minority who are bringing us all into disrepute and risking regulatory
    consequences for us all, when I'm in a similar position I generally
    anticipate the worst and time my crossing carefully. Once the approaching
    cyclist has committed to their path I change my step and try and make sure
    that I barrel into the side of them as they pass - keeping clear of
    handlebars and pedals - and knocking them flying instead. It's very
    satisfying, especially knowing that legally they haven't got a leg to stand
    on (so to speak). On a couple of occasions they've ended up sprawled on the
    road with everyone laughing at them, their dignity destroyed. With a bit of
    luck they'll think twice next time before trying to intimidate pedestrians.
    I always pay heed to the road signals, don't cycle on footpaths or against
    the flow of one way traffic (I get off and walk) and so forth - they can
    bloody well do the same. Being 6' 5" and 15 stone none of my "victims" have
    had the temerity to challenge me yet and having jumped red lights and
    accidentally collided with a legally crossing pedestrian they would be hard
    pressed to do very much. It's all in the observation and the timing. ;-)

  9. Jack Taylor said:

    Once the approaching
    cyclist has committed to their path I change my step and try and make sure
    that I barrel into the side of them as they pass - keeping clear of
    handlebars and pedals - and knocking them flying instead. It's very
    satisfying, especially knowing that legally they haven't got a leg to stand
    on (so to speak). On a couple of occasions they've ended up sprawled on the
    road with everyone laughing at them, their dignity destroyed.

    While they're on the floor ask for their name and address and tell them
    they'll be hearing from your solicitor - nothing like kicking someone
    while they're down (not literally though because I guess that would be
    assault).

    If only your style would also work on car drivers who do the same...

    peter

  10. "Jack Taylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    congokid said:


    From my experience as a cyclist in London I know that very few
    cyclists stop for pedestrian crossings or red lights (apart from when
    the passing traffic is too heavy to weave through, or they've spotted
    a policeman). Often they barrel through at high speed and any
    collision with me would have serious consequences. For this reason I
    try to make sure there is absolutely nothing coming when as a
    pedestrian I need to cross the road.

    As a fellow cyclist, who is disgusted by the arrogant behaviour of this
    minority who are bringing us all into disrepute and risking regulatory
    consequences for us all, when I'm in a similar position I generally
    anticipate the worst and time my crossing carefully. Once the approaching
    cyclist has committed to their path I change my step and try and make sure
    that I barrel into the side of them as they pass - keeping clear of
    handlebars and pedals - and knocking them flying instead. It's very
    satisfying, especially knowing that legally they haven't got a leg to
    stand
    on (so to speak). On a couple of occasions they've ended up sprawled on
    the
    road with everyone laughing at them, their dignity destroyed. With a bit
    of
    luck they'll think twice next time before trying to intimidate
    pedestrians.
    I always pay heed to the road signals, don't cycle on footpaths or against
    the flow of one way traffic (I get off and walk) and so forth - they can
    bloody well do the same. Being 6' 5" and 15 stone none of my "victims"
    have
    had the temerity to challenge me yet and having jumped red lights and
    accidentally collided with a legally crossing pedestrian they would be
    hard
    pressed to do very much. It's all in the observation and the timing. ;-)

    I like your style! :-P

    From what I've seen, it's not a minority of cyclists who do this, but a
    majority. At least where I see them, that is, which is from Islington to
    the centre. Occasionally you do see a sensible cyclist waiting out a red
    light, but it really doesn't happen that often. Usually they'll bump up
    onto the pavement, ride to the pedestrian crossing, cross, then bump back
    down.

    I've also noticed an increase in cyclists riding past busses with people
    getting on/off, between the bus and the curb. Having a bemused cyclist
    staring at you with a look of complete confusion mixed with rage, simply
    because you got off a bus at a bus stop, is quite entertaining.

    🙂

    dave

  11. naked_draughtsman ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding
    much like they were saying :

    Quoted message said:

    If only your style would also work on car drivers who do the same...

    Oh, it does.

    I find a good hard open-palm slap onto a window or door of a car sailing
    across the ped x-ing usually gets an entertainingly abrupt emergency stop
    and panicked expression...

    I have to admit, I didn't try it on the Police Volvo that did it to me a
    while back, though...

  12. M-gineering said:

    Bring back umbrella's which, if swung in the appropriate manner, bring
    remarkable results 😉

    Or a quick stab into the wheel spokes, if you don't mind sacrificing the
    umbrella... ("bring back" implies they went away: I use one regularly
    walking in the rain)

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  13. In uk.rec.cycling Ian Jelf twisted the electrons to say:

    Quoted message said:

    but after yelling "[censored]", presumably at me, she just cycled off.

    Does the "failure to stop at the scene of an accident" offence only apply
    to motor vehicles, or can cyclists[1] be done for it as well?

    [1] and horse riders too come to think of it?
    --
    These opinions might not even be mine ...
    Let alone connected with my employer ...

  14. "Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    M-gineering said:

    Bring back umbrella's which, if swung in the appropriate manner, bring
    remarkable results 😉

    Or a quick stab into the wheel spokes, if you don't mind sacrificing the
    umbrella... ("bring back" implies they went away: I use one regularly
    walking in the rain)

    Aaaah yes - the old Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade technique. Very
    effective 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  15. Jack Taylor said:


    Quoted message said:

    policeman). Often they barrel through at high speed and any collision
    with me would have serious consequences. For this reason I try to make
    sure there is absolutely nothing coming when as a pedestrian I need to
    cross the road.

    As a fellow cyclist, who is disgusted by the arrogant behaviour of this
    minority who are bringing us all into disrepute and risking regulatory

    I guess you carry a hammer for smashing the windows of any cars which to
    your mind have done something wrong?

  16. Quoted message said:

    I've also noticed an increase in cyclists riding past busses with
    people getting on/off, between the bus and the curb. Having a bemused
    cyclist staring at you with a look of complete confusion mixed with
    rage, simply because you got off a bus at a bus stop, is quite
    entertaining.

    IME it usually it happens when the bus cuts the cyclist up on the way to
    the bus stop. Quite why some cyclists continue to whizz along when they
    know people are going to hop off beggars belief.

  17. Adrian said:

    naked_draughtsman ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding
    much like they were saying :

    Quoted message said:

    If only your style would also work on car drivers who do the same...

    Oh, it does.

    I find a good hard open-palm slap onto a window or door of a car sailing
    across the ped x-ing usually gets an entertainingly abrupt emergency stop
    and panicked expression...

    Or the emergence of a foul-mouthed yob waving a baseball bat :-(

    John B

  18. John B ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
    were saying :

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If only your style would also work on car drivers who do the
    same...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oh, it does.

    I find a good hard open-palm slap onto a window or door of a car
    sailing across the ped x-ing usually gets an entertainingly abrupt
    emergency stop and panicked expression...

    Quoted message said:

    Or the emergence of a foul-mouthed yob waving a baseball bat :-(

    I can be quite foul-mouthed too, and I have a laptop bag which is going to
    hurt...

    Besides, he has to stop, get out of the car, and find me in the crowd
    first.

  19. Jack Taylor said:

    As a fellow cyclist, who is disgusted by the arrogant behaviour of this
    minority who are bringing us all into disrepute and risking regulatory
    consequences for us all, when I'm in a similar position I generally
    anticipate the worst and time my crossing carefully. Once the approaching
    cyclist has committed to their path I change my step and try and make sure
    that I barrel into the side of them as they pass - keeping clear of

    I think you'll find that
    - jumping red lights is illegal already
    - so is deliberate assault

    If they're already aware of you and have chosen a route to avoid you,
    who exactly is the bigger [censored] here?

    -dan

  20. M-gineering said:

    Bring back umbrella's which, if swung in the appropriate manner, bring
    remarkable results 😉

    Yeah, that works for ped/cyclist interfaces, but for the
    cyclist/motorist interface situations, it doesn't really do it: a) its
    hard to cycle with a rolled brolly at the ready, and b) it won't really
    make an impression on your antagonist.
    Na, best stick with the Glock for the time being.

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