OLN Coverage Sucked

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So, euros with real coverage:

I know you get 5 hours or so. Do they break for
commercials constantly? Or do they run the last hour or so
straight through?

I watched on Belgium TV, live from about 80 km's in the
race to the finish without breaks (about 5 hours). The
coverage is really good (the best?) with knowledgeable
commentary, link with commentary guy on motorbike in the
race and sometimes live phonecalls with teamcars etc. Dutch
TV instead have some breaks, usually on the hour to show
the news, and commentary is of much lower quality (too much
focus on heroic stuff which is usual with commentary by
Mart Smeets).

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C. Zoh said:

I thought it was completely disjointed, but I guess it's
better than nothing.

How about that Leif Hoste and that flag? I am in utter
amazement that he kept his bike up. Wow.

So, euros with real coverage:

I know you get 5 hours or so. Do they break for
commercials constantly? Or do they run the last hour or so
straight through?

Here's what Americans saw: (and yes, I remember when I saw
nothing...)

Commesso break, cut, Arenberg, cut, Kirsipuu solo, cut,
Boonen/Hincapie break, cut, Hammond/Backstedt break,
Museuuw flat, cut, velodrome finish.

40 minutes total coverage. No continuity, no sensible
narrative. Just 5 or 6 seperate unconnected events tacked
together.

They did the same thing with Flanders last week. After
every commercial, 10-15 km lost on the editing floor.

Reading Cyclingnews has more suspense. OLN is just a
tease.

David said:

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 23:05:55 -0500,

jesseth@removethis_gwi.net (Jesse Thompson) said:

So, euros with real coverage:

I know you get 5 hours or so. Do they break for
commercials constantly? Or do they run the last hour or so
straight through?

I watched the Eurosport coverage. Coverage started at 1:30
(at about km 90 or so), and continued until the finish.
They have a (short) commercial break every 30 minutes or
so, but seem to go out of their way not to go break at
inappropriate times.

British Eurosport covered about two hours live then cut to a
Seria A game. They then came back for a further recorded two
hours but inexplicably after a commercial break at about 30k
to go they rejoined at under 6k when all the action had
happened!!!

Regards! Stephen

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You must understand, the US is not a cycling country.
France is. We got the coverage one would expect here in
the US. I am surprised it was covered at all.

So tell me why I was in that cycling country for two
weeks and until the Tour stage in Paris I never saw a
single Frenchman on a racing bike?

Because they saw you first.

ouch

Did anyone turn on OLN at 9am - just on the slim possibility
that they had had a change of heart? I guess a puppet show
on hunting was more lucrative then live P-R coverage. My
take on the disjunctive coverage is that Phil and Paul are
ultimately gearing their commentary for WCP coverage, and
thus don't update viewers about what happened during the
ubiquitous breaks (that will not be in the DVDs). It's
frustraing that the breaks are longer and more frequent when
the race is most exciting, and the longest uninterrupted
coverage is during the initial color commentary.

-r

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So, euros with real coverage:

I know you get 5 hours or so. Do they break for
commercials constantly? Or do they run the last hour or
so straight through?

I watched on Belgium TV, live from about 80 km's in the
race to the finish

without breaks (about 5 hours).

Quoted message said:

The coverage is really good (the best?) with knowledgeable
commentary,

link with commentary guy on motorbike in the race and

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sometimes live phonecalls with teamcars etc. Dutch TV
instead have some

breaks, usually on the hour to show the news, and commentary

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is of much lower quality (too much focus on heroic stuff
which is usual

with commentary by Mart Smeets).

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C. Zoh said:

I thought it was completely disjointed, but I guess
it's better than

nothing.

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How about that Leif Hoste and that flag? I am in utter
amazement that he kept his bike up. Wow.

So, euros with real coverage:

I know you get 5 hours or so. Do they break for
commercials constantly? Or do they run the last hour or
so straight through?

Here's what Americans saw: (and yes, I remember when I
saw nothing...)

Commesso break, cut, Arenberg, cut, Kirsipuu solo, cut,
Boonen/Hincapie break, cut, Hammond/Backstedt break,
Museuuw flat, cut, velodrome finish.

40 minutes total coverage. No continuity, no sensible
narrative. Just 5 or 6 seperate unconnected events
tacked together.

They did the same thing with Flanders last week. After
every commercial, 10-15 km lost on the editing floor.

Reading Cyclingnews has more suspense. OLN is just a
tease.

C. Zoh said:

I thought it was completely disjointed, but I guess it's
better than nothing.

In the good old days of CBS, maybe. But P-R was the opening
salvo of an agenda promising to bringing live coverage of
the TdF to the unwashed masses of US biking folks. That
agenda was accomplished. Clearly, they are scaling back. As
a result, the P-R highlights was a hastily thrown together
montage of Arenberg, Cysoing and few other spots. Utterly
missing were the creation of the 5 man break that failed,
the move that brought Museeux to the front, the dropping of
Hincapie, etc. In the last year, a troubling trend has been
progressing at OLN.

1. ESPN's morning weekend fare has been moved to OLN and
given prime time slots (hunting and bass fishing, Running
of the Bulls in Trample-ona).

2. Indoor pro bull riding has taken over prime time

3. Imitation FOX Sports "You Gotta See This" amateur videos
of fools getting their just desserts doing things that
simply shouldn't be aired are on prime time.

4. Gone are the climbing.

5. Gone are mountain bike racing.

6. Gone are hiking and camping.

7. Gone are kayaking and river sports.

8. Gone are biking equipment reviews.

In short, OLN has decided to ignore their mission and name
and become ESPN3, taking the fringe programs from ESPN, and
removing their own signature programs. Now, having succeeded
in getting their commitment to the live TdF, they are
scaling back the other biking. P-R is a casualty. I hope
viewers are savvy enough to figure what will happen when
Armstrong retires...

OLNTV does have an Email comments spot on their web page.
I'd strongly urge readers to give them their feelings.

You could even tell them how happy you were to not see
Madame Gum, for those who still have a problem with her.

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How about that Leif Hoste and that flag? I am in utter
amazement that he kept his bike up. Wow.

h squared said:

i had problems following it too. i actually like that
they showed some of the earlier parts of the race, but
the final bit was confusing. mike made a good point that
since they had time to edit it, they could have done a
better job.

The final bit was confusing anyway because there weren't
enough cameras to cover every group of riders, so some
groups dropped out of the game at some points. I think
Robert already covered this in another thread. I think
OLN just made best with what they had. Also, Eurosport
took that time to go to commercial, so I don't think
George's group getting caught was even aired in Germany
or Britain. Of course I may have missed it because I was
also reading the live reports, keeping an eye on the map
for the next pave section and listening to Duffield on 20
second delay. I just remember thinking, "Oh, George isn't
there anymore. Figures".

Tom Arsenault said:

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The coverage in America is brought to us by OLN.

Once again, as mentioned probably a million times before,
it's still better than nothing. At least we get coverage
now. Aside from that, you could have read the live reports
on various cycling internet sites, and gotten a blow by
blow analysis of the really good stuff. OLN is the best,
and only coverage we've got of cycling events in the US.
I'll take that over nothing anyday.

You could also get the live audio of Duffield wanking on
about the new Shimano Deore crankset for over 5 minutes and
how he got down on his hands and knees and counted the
number of spokes people were using in PR, with occassional
race commentary. Actually, Sean Kelly as a sidekick wasn't
bad but he's chosen a strange Purgatory for himself playing
the straight man for the Duffer.

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I thought it was completely disjointed, but I guess it's
better than nothing.

How about that Leif Hoste and that flag? I am in utter
amazement that he kept his bike up. Wow.

I hate the way OLN starts their coverage in the middle of
the race. The cut out a lot of the good early climbs in the
TDF. It might be nice if they had a post broadcast version
that had clips from the early parts of the race. I would
like to see more behind the scenes clips from the races.

France 2 coverage was quite good (4 hours of coverage
without commercials), but they have the most annoying
commentator on god's green earth- Goddard. They relegated
him to riding around on the second motorcycle after he got
into a tussle with a photographer in last year's tour de
france, but his screaming, ingratiating name dropping just
ruins it for me. Even if I didn't understand French, I'd
find him annoying. Why does he feel it necessary to yell,
just to tell us that someone (not even a P-R favorite) has
flatted with 150kms to go?

Thankfully, Jaja is on the other motorcycle, his obvious
knowledge of stategy, tactics and the races has been
augmented this year by his improved ability to express it.
Plus he doesn't play Goddard's game of trying to make every
moment seem exciting. Sometimes, there are moments in a
260km race whe're there really is nothing happening. (For
those times, France2 has a color commentator who's job it is
to tell us the history and monuments of the region the
riders are passing through. Since it's France, there's
always something to talk about.)

Kyle Legate said:

Tom Arsenault said:

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The coverage in America is brought to us by OLN.

Once again, as mentioned probably a million times before,
it's still better than nothing. At least we get coverage
now. Aside from that, you could have read the live
reports on various cycling internet sites, and gotten a
blow by blow analysis of the really good stuff. OLN is
the best, and only coverage we've got of cycling events
in the US. I'll take that over nothing anyday.

You could also get the live audio of Duffield wanking on
about the new Shimano Deore crankset for over 5 minutes
and how he got down on his hands and knees and counted the
number of spokes people were using in PR, with occassional
race commentary. Actually, Sean Kelly as a sidekick wasn't
bad but he's chosen a strange Purgatory for himself
playing the straight man for the Duffer.

George's group getting caught wasn't shown by France2's live
coverage either. Plus, it caught the commentators completely
by surprise. The director switched cameras to show the trio
and the commentators said something like, "Here we are with
the three men at the head of the course and they can
certainly be a danger." Meanwhile, the camera was panning
back and showed that they in fact were back in the lead
group. The commentators were quite surprised.

Kyle Legate said:

h squared said:

i had problems following it too. i actually like that
they showed some of the earlier parts of the race, but
the final bit was confusing. mike made a good point that
since they had time to edit it, they could have done a
better job.

The final bit was confusing anyway because there weren't
enough cameras to cover every group of riders, so some
groups dropped out of the game at some points. I think
Robert already covered this in another thread. I think OLN
just made best with what they had. Also, Eurosport took
that time to go to commercial, so I don't think George's
group getting caught was even aired in Germany or Britain.
Of course I may have missed it because I was also reading
the live reports, keeping an eye on the map for the next
pave section and listening to Duffield on 20 second delay.
I just remember thinking, "Oh, George isn't there anymore.
Figures".

The coverage reminded me CBS on an off year. Too much of
Frankie talking and talking and.........Better to show
racing. It seems as though they're trying to explain it to
the OLN fishing and bull riding fans, and maybe Tom
Kuinch. ;-)

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You must understand, the US is not a cycling country.
France is. We

got

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the coverage one would expect here in the US. I am
surprised it was

covered

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at all.

Agreed, great that we did have coverage. But it wasn't
very good... the first half-hour seemed useless, so, out
of a 5+ hour race, you get

one-half

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hour of decent race coverage? No, if it was decent race
coverage, there wouldn't have been so much question during
the final part of the race as

to

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where George Hincapie disappeared to.

Seemed like they could have done a better job of cherry-
picking the better parts of the race to show, since it's
put together hours before it's

shown.

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And they could have edited it better so we knew in semi-real-
time what was going on with George. It's not like they
didn't play up George a lot

before

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and during the race!

Maybe it will make more sense when I watch it again.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.comOpen ↗

I agree that it was better than nothing but they really could have
done a better job editing it. It was hard to follow what was going
on. Perhaps OLN needs to receive some feeback from cycling fans. The
URL is olntv.comfeedback.aspOpen ↗.

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I thought it was completely disjointed, but I guess it's
better than nothing.

How about that Leif Hoste and that flag? I am in utter
amazement that he kept his bike up. Wow.

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C. Zoh said:

I thought it was completely disjointed, but I guess it's
better than

nothing.

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In the good old days of CBS, maybe. But P-R was the
opening salvo of an agenda promising to bringing live
coverage of the TdF to the unwashed masses of US biking
folks. That agenda was accomplished. Clearly, they are
scaling back. As a result, the P-R highlights was a
hastily thrown together montage of Arenberg, Cysoing and
few other spots. Utterly missing were the creation of the
5 man break that failed, the move that brought Museeux to
the front, the dropping of Hincapie, etc. In the last
year, a troubling trend has been progressing at OLN.

1. ESPN's morning weekend fare has been moved to OLN and
given prime time slots (hunting and bass fishing,
Running of the Bulls in Trample-ona).

2. Indoor pro bull riding has taken over prime time

3. Imitation FOX Sports "You Gotta See This" amateur
videos of fools getting their just desserts doing
things that simply shouldn't be aired are on prime
time.

4. Gone are the climbing.

5. Gone are mountain bike racing.

6. Gone are hiking and camping.

7. Gone are kayaking and river sports.

8. Gone are biking equipment reviews.

In short, OLN has decided to ignore their mission and name
and become ESPN3, taking the fringe programs from ESPN,
and removing their own signature programs. Now, having
succeeded in getting their commitment to the live TdF,
they are scaling back the other biking. P-R is a casualty.
I hope viewers are savvy enough to figure what will happen
when Armstrong retires...

It sounds like OLN is becoming like OLN canada. All we get
is the TDF, and the rest of the time it's dog shows,
strong man contests, idiotic travel shows featuring
emaciated hostesses, and nature shows. LIke we can't see
half of that [censored] anywhere else. TSN shows strong man
contests and dog shows, and nature shows are on nearly
every channel in canada!

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nature shows are on nearly every channel in canada!

That's because Canadians have such poor memories. It comes
from shivering all the time.

Well you see the crowds they get when a race is going on in
France. In the US, the crowds suck. We are too busy watching
NASCAR or interested in huge powerful SUV's and whatever
else is big and powerful. We don't care about cycling
unfortunately. Here in Pittsburgh we had a race called the
Thrift Drug Classic. It was a great race, but no one came to
it. I mean no one. I could just drive down and park anywhere
I wanted and watch where ever I pleased. There were more
policeman at the race than fans or supporters. By the way,
Lance was here racing in it and that didn't even make a
difference. It was part of a series of races to win a
million dollars.

Look at the races in France. The streets are filled with
cheering educated fans. Lets face it, they have it going on
over there and we don't. Most everyone in the US just look
at bicycles as an annoyance. We have a guy that already tied
the record for the TdF and no one over here cares. If he
wins 6 and becomes the all-time tour winner, maybe a few
dozen people will notice over here.

I will say one thing for Lance, he is focused and it doesn't
seem to bother him he has very little support in his home
country. He is amazingly strong mentally to say the least.

Curt

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You must understand, the US is not a cycling country.
France is. We

got

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the coverage one would expect here in the US. I am
surprised it was

covered

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at all.

So tell me why I was in that cycling country for two weeks
and until the Tour stage in Paris I never saw a single
Frenchman on a racing bike?

I think it's getting better. In Georgia you can always see a
great crowd (30,000+) show up for the Twilight Criterium in
Athens. Mind you the party is a big part of the draw. Last
years Roswell Criterium brought in a pretty nice crowd of
around 10-15,000. Tour de Georgia is expected to bring in
some pretty hefty numbers. I think as more folks get
familiar it's changing. Usually takes getting to a race here
or there to start to appreciate the tactics, et al. I
particularly think the crits help in that regard. Sure, it's
not Europe but you gotta start somewhere.

I know everyone I have ever taken to one always comes away
excited and motivated to follow the sport.

Hard to believe but growing up in Daytona Beach 30 years
ago no one was at NASCAR but a small, shall we say
eccentric, fan base. Now it's a main stream sport and the
largest in the US. It could happen. May not be probable but
it's possible.

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Well you see the crowds they get when a race is going on
in France. In

the

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US, the crowds suck. We are too busy watching NASCAR or
interested in

huge

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powerful SUV's and whatever else is big and powerful. We
don't care about cycling unfortunately. Here in Pittsburgh
we had a race called the Thrift Drug Classic. It was a
great race, but no one came to it. I mean no one. I could
just drive down and park anywhere I wanted and watch where
ever I pleased. There were more policeman at the race than
fans or supporters.

By

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the way, Lance was here racing in it and that didn't
even make a

difference.

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It was part of a series of races to win a million dollars.

Look at the races in France. The streets are filled with
cheering

educated

Quoted message said:

fans. Lets face it, they have it going on over there and
we don't. Most everyone in the US just look at bicycles as
an annoyance. We have a guy that already tied the record
for the TdF and no one over here cares. If

he

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wins 6 and becomes the all-time tour winner, maybe a few
dozen people will notice over here.

I will say one thing for Lance, he is focused and it
doesn't seem to

bother

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him he has very little support in his home country. He is
amazingly

strong

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mentally to say the least.

Curt

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You must understand, the US is not a cycling country.
France is. We

got

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the coverage one would expect here in the US. I am
surprised it was

covered

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at all.

So tell me why I was in that cycling country for two
weeks and until the Tour stage in Paris I never saw a
single Frenchman on a racing bike?

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I thought it was completely disjointed, but I guess it's
better than

nothing.

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How about that Leif Hoste and that flag? I am in utter
amazement

that

Quoted message said:

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he kept his bike up. Wow.

I hate the way OLN starts their coverage in the middle
of the race. The cut out a lot of the good early climbs
in the TDF. It might be nice if they had a post
broadcast version that had clips from the early parts of
the race. I would like to see more behind the scenes
clips from the races.

They do show clips from the earlier climbs, and they list
the results of who got the mountain top points.

Just need more baseball fans to wake up and see there are
sports that can't be compared unfavorably to watching paint
dry (in slow motion.)

Randy Walton said:

I think it's getting better. In Georgia you can always see
a great crowd (30,000+) show up for the Twilight Criterium
in Athens. Mind you the party is a big part of the draw.
Last years Roswell Criterium brought in a pretty nice
crowd of around 10-15,000. Tour de Georgia is expected to
bring in some pretty hefty numbers. I think as more folks
get familiar it's changing. Usually takes getting to a
race here or there to start to appreciate the tactics, et
al. I particularly think the crits help in that regard.
Sure, it's not Europe but you gotta start somewhere.

I know everyone I have ever taken to one always comes away
excited and motivated to follow the sport.

Hard to believe but growing up in Daytona Beach 30 years
ago no one was at NASCAR but a small, shall we say
eccentric, fan base. Now it's a main stream sport and the
largest in the US. It could happen. May not be probable
but it's possible.

"curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Well you see the crowds they get when a race is going on
in France. In

the

Quoted message said:

US, the crowds suck. We are too busy watching NASCAR or
interested in

huge

Quoted message said:

powerful SUV's and whatever else is big and powerful. We
don't care about cycling unfortunately. Here in Pittsburgh
we had a race called the Thrift Drug Classic. It was a
great race, but no one came to it. I mean no one. I could
just drive down and park anywhere I wanted and watch where
ever I pleased. There were more policeman at the race than
fans or supporters.

By

Quoted message said:

the way, Lance was here racing in it and that didn't
even make a

difference.

Quoted message said:

It was part of a series of races to win a million dollars.

Look at the races in France. The streets are filled with
cheering

educated

Quoted message said:

fans. Lets face it, they have it going on over there and
we don't. Most everyone in the US just look at bicycles as
an annoyance. We have a guy that already tied the record
for the TdF and no one over here cares. If

he

Quoted message said:

wins 6 and becomes the all-time tour winner, maybe a few
dozen people will notice over here.

I will say one thing for Lance, he is focused and it
doesn't seem to

bother

Quoted message said:

him he has very little support in his home country. He is
amazingly

strong

Quoted message said:

mentally to say the least.

Curt

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>You must understand, the US is not a cycling country.
>France is. We

got

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>the coverage one would expect here in the US. I am
>surprised it was

covered

>at all.

So tell me why I was in that cycling country for two
weeks and until the Tour stage in Paris I never saw a
single Frenchman on a racing bike?

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OLNTV does have an Email comments spot on their web page.
I'd strongly urge readers to give them their feelings.

Unless you're going to send money, don't bother. It's a
business....your best interest stops where theirs begins.
You're seeing less cycling because you're seeing none of
those annoying Mercury commercials. That's a big chunk of
money to loose without another big sponsor to step up to the
plate. Cycling is much like golf in this respect. Except for
a few of the majors, golf sponsors pay way out of proportion
for the number of eyeballs watching. They're paying for
image among what they consider a prime demographic. When you
consider that cycling's ratings are paltry in relationship
to golf....well, you can imagine the difficulty in
attracting sponsors. Sure, you'll see a whole bunch of
Subaru and Nike around the Tour, but they're trading on
thier relationship with Lance and that whole cult of
personality. When he leaves cycling, so will their $$$.
Without a big sponsor willing to throw their money at a
small fan base that is viewed as being neither homogenous or
brand-loyal, don't expect to see more cycling coverage any
time soon.

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I thought it was completely disjointed, but I guess
it's better than

nothing.

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How about that Leif Hoste and that flag? I am in utter
amazement

that

Quoted message said:

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he kept his bike up. Wow.

I hate the way OLN starts their coverage in the middle
of the race. The cut out a lot of the good early climbs
in the TDF. It might be nice if they had a post
broadcast version that had clips from the early parts of
the race. I would like to see more behind the scenes
clips from the races.

They do show clips from the earlier climbs, and they list
the results of who got the mountain top points.

True they do show some, I just wish they would show more.
The coverage is 1 1/2 to 2 hours, which is plenty of time.