"Oderless" Fauxtatoes

BlueBrooke wrote:
:: On Wed, 2 May 2007 12:36:19 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: BlueBrooke wrote:
::::: On Wed, 2 May 2007 11:29:17 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
::::: <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::::
:::::: Personally, it's just easier to avoid foods that helped get you
:::::: fat in the first place and that you tend to eat in excess. And
:::::: telling people who had weight problems to start doing portion
:::::: control....rather than just eating to a supressed appetite....is
:::::: just asking for trouble. IMO.
:::::
::::: Hi, Roger --
:::::
::::: No matter how fat I am, I'm not going to eat something that
::::: disgusts me to lose weight. I can't abide fish, for instance --
::::: so that is not on my menu. I'd rather eat stuff I do like than
::::: force myself to eat things I can't stand.
:::
::: This is no doubt a holdover from childhood. How many foods are
::: really disgusting?
::: I think it's too strong a word unless one is eating something
::: alive...
::
:: This is what Bob said about cauliflower -- I didn't pull the word out
:: of thin air. :-)

I agree. I still think is too strong a word for the situation. I certainly
don't like cauli as much as I like many other foods.

::
:: "Furthermore, I don't like regular cauliflower. They're disgusting"
::
::::: And this is what Bob is doing -- in another part of this thread,
::::: he said he finds cauliflower disgusting. So my question is, if
::::: it's so disgusting, why eat it at all, since there are so other
::::: choices out there.
:::
::: Well, Bob is an grown man and he has used his reasoning and cooking
::: abilities to make something he likes. Plus, cauli is good for him -
::: certainly better than potatoes which raise BG levels in T2D. Sure,
::: there are other choices and this is one too.
::
:: It still makes no sense to me that one would choose to eat something
:: they find disgusting -- once again, his word, not mine.

Well, this is what he has done and it seems to be working for him. How can
that be?

And, if you can take something you don't like and doctor it up and make into
something you do like, what's the issue? I call that options.

::
::::: There was a discussion here just in the past few weeks about
::::: people being forced to eat nasty things as kids, and the possible
::::: repercussions of that in adulthood. I had to drink milk with
::::: dinner. It made me gag and throw up sometimes -- it was absolutely
::::: disgusting. And what I *really* couldn't understand was that my
::::: mother hated it, too, and yet made *me* drink it!
:::
::: I think there are many reasons why kids don't like certain foods
::: and I think this is a poor argument to make. Many of the foods I
::: didn't enjoy as a kid I enjoy now.
::
:: I'm trying to think of something that made me gag and barf as a kid
:: that I enjoy now --
::
:: <crickets>
::
:: LOL!!
::

I once threw up after eating ratabagas (sp?). I enjoy them now if they are
done up like southern style sweet potatos or yams. I could not stand
spinach as it was done back then, but I do enjoy it using the methods I have
since learned for prep. So,what was formerly "gag-worthy" has become
something that I enjoy.

::: I bet if we didn't have so many choices of foodstuff to stuff down
::: our pieholes, we'd have people learning to enjoy what's available
::: to eat. But we raise kids on poptarts, so it's no wonder they
::: won't eat certain "real food".
::
:: Actually, I'm not so sure about that. My son's friends have been
:: raised on PopTarts and [censored] -- but they like to eat "real" food here.
:: Some of the things, like avocados and artichokes, they don't want to
:: think about, but meat, veggies and salads -- they scarf 'em up.
::

Well, most boys seem to like meat!

:: I think kids will eat "real food" if it's made available to them.
::
::::: My brother couldn't stand liver and used to hide it in his baked
::::: potato skins. Bob can't stand cauliflower and is hiding it as
::::: well. It just doesn't make sense to me, that's all, when there
::::: are so many alternatives out there, to pretend it's potatoes when
::::: it's not. Is that much different than pretending you're not fat?
::::: Isn't it another form of self-deception?
:::
::: Again, it's cauliflower. The entire notion that one is
::: "pretending" it's potatoes makes no sense. It's simply prepared as
::: one might prepare potatoes to achieved a taste that's not much
::: different - which make a lot of sense since neither potatoes nor
::: cauliflower have strong flavors, so dishes made from then can be
::: made to have similar tastes.
::
:: Your arguments are reasonable, Roger -- but this is not what Bob is
:: saying.

But he found a way to make it go down easy. If, after having doctored the
cauli up - he still found it disgusting....then I'd agree with you.

Anyway, in the end, we eats what we eats!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:50:20 -0400, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

BlueBrooke wrote:
:: On Wed, 2 May 2007 12:36:19 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: BlueBrooke wrote:
::::: On Wed, 2 May 2007 11:29:17 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
::::: <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::::
:::::: Personally, it's just easier to avoid foods that helped get you
:::::: fat in the first place and that you tend to eat in excess. And
:::::: telling people who had weight problems to start doing portion
:::::: control....rather than just eating to a supressed appetite....is
:::::: just asking for trouble. IMO.
:::::
::::: Hi, Roger --
:::::
::::: No matter how fat I am, I'm not going to eat something that
::::: disgusts me to lose weight. I can't abide fish, for instance --
::::: so that is not on my menu. I'd rather eat stuff I do like than
::::: force myself to eat things I can't stand.
:::
::: This is no doubt a holdover from childhood. How many foods are
::: really disgusting?
::: I think it's too strong a word unless one is eating something
::: alive...
::
:: This is what Bob said about cauliflower -- I didn't pull the word out
:: of thin air. :-)

I agree. I still think is too strong a word for the situation. I
certainly
don't like cauli as much as I like many other foods.

::
:: "Furthermore, I don't like regular cauliflower. They're disgusting"
::
::::: And this is what Bob is doing -- in another part of this thread,
::::: he said he finds cauliflower disgusting. So my question is, if
::::: it's so disgusting, why eat it at all, since there are so other
::::: choices out there.
:::
::: Well, Bob is an grown man and he has used his reasoning and cooking
::: abilities to make something he likes. Plus, cauli is good for him -
::: certainly better than potatoes which raise BG levels in T2D. Sure,
::: there are other choices and this is one too.
::
:: It still makes no sense to me that one would choose to eat something
:: they find disgusting -- once again, his word, not mine.

Well, this is what he has done and it seems to be working for him. How
can
that be?

And, if you can take something you don't like and doctor it up and make
into
something you do like, what's the issue? I call that options.

::
::::: There was a discussion here just in the past few weeks about
::::: people being forced to eat nasty things as kids, and the possible
::::: repercussions of that in adulthood. I had to drink milk with
::::: dinner. It made me gag and throw up sometimes -- it was absolutely
::::: disgusting. And what I *really* couldn't understand was that my
::::: mother hated it, too, and yet made *me* drink it!
:::
::: I think there are many reasons why kids don't like certain foods
::: and I think this is a poor argument to make. Many of the foods I
::: didn't enjoy as a kid I enjoy now.
::
:: I'm trying to think of something that made me gag and barf as a kid
:: that I enjoy now --
::
:: <crickets>
::
:: LOL!!
::

I once threw up after eating ratabagas (sp?). I enjoy them now if they
are
done up like southern style sweet potatos or yams. I could not stand
spinach as it was done back then, but I do enjoy it using the methods I
have
since learned for prep. So,what was formerly "gag-worthy" has become
something that I enjoy.

::: I bet if we didn't have so many choices of foodstuff to stuff down
::: our pieholes, we'd have people learning to enjoy what's available
::: to eat. But we raise kids on poptarts, so it's no wonder they
::: won't eat certain "real food".
::
:: Actually, I'm not so sure about that. My son's friends have been
:: raised on PopTarts and [censored] -- but they like to eat "real" food here.
:: Some of the things, like avocados and artichokes, they don't want to
:: think about, but meat, veggies and salads -- they scarf 'em up.
::

Well, most boys seem to like meat!

:: I think kids will eat "real food" if it's made available to them.
::
::::: My brother couldn't stand liver and used to hide it in his baked
::::: potato skins. Bob can't stand cauliflower and is hiding it as
::::: well. It just doesn't make sense to me, that's all, when there
::::: are so many alternatives out there, to pretend it's potatoes when
::::: it's not. Is that much different than pretending you're not fat?
::::: Isn't it another form of self-deception?
:::
::: Again, it's cauliflower. The entire notion that one is
::: "pretending" it's potatoes makes no sense. It's simply prepared as
::: one might prepare potatoes to achieved a taste that's not much
::: different - which make a lot of sense since neither potatoes nor
::: cauliflower have strong flavors, so dishes made from then can be
::: made to have similar tastes.
::
:: Your arguments are reasonable, Roger -- but this is not what Bob is
:: saying.

But he found a way to make it go down easy. If, after having doctored
the
cauli up - he still found it disgusting....then I'd agree with you.

Anyway, in the end, we eats what we eats!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps I misspoke. I do not like boiled/steamed cauliflower. The
texture is not to my liking. The fauxtatoes, meanwhile, are likeable.

As for not eating stuff that got me fat, I have NEVER eaten mashed
potatoes. I did not get fat eating mashed potatoes (or any potato for
that matter; low fat diets aren't conducive to eating potatoes, as they
taste like cardboard unless you put something fatty on them).

I posted this recipe solely because others may be interested in it. If
you're not interested in it, then ignore it.

Sometimes this board pisses me off. I post a recipe for fauxtatoes and
some idiot tells me to eat real potatoes. What? Potatoes are one of the
worst things for you. It's like telling me to eat pasta (now, if you want
to know how I got fat, it's eating pasta). It's so assinine of a
suggestion that I'm shocked it was made.

I keep trying to come here and offer what I consider to be good advice,
and the idiots-to-normal people ratio just seems too high. Hell, anyone
remember when I posted an Alton Brown recipe where you make a casing made
of salt and flour (and herbs) and wrap that around beef (tenderloin) to
cook, salt, and flavor the beef? I had people accusing me of posting a
recipe that's high in carbs. Well, you idiots, you THROW AWAY the wrap
once the beef is cooked. Not only is the wrap too hard to eat, but it's
got a shockingly high amount of salt (three CUPS of salt). You couldn't
eat the wrap if you wanted to eat it. At that time, I was flabbergasted.
Today, it's the same way.

Why should I come here to provide advice when people say the most stupid
things in response? Eat potatoes? How stupid can you be?

By the way, the Alton Brown recipe I discuss above is here:

http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_26998,00.html

If you ever need a great meal for a bunch of people and can afford the
cash, this is outstanding.

Excuse me while I take a sabbatical from this board.

--
Bob in CT

Bob in CT said:

Tunderbar said:

Roger Zoul said:

Tunderbar wrote:

:: On May 2, 8:23 am, "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote:
::: Here's how we make oderless fautatoes. We buy a package of
::: cauliflower. The package is meant to be microwaved. We follow the
::: microwaving directions. We open the package into a food processor.
::: We add butter, cream cheese, salt, pepper, and perhaps garlic. We
::: then process this, using short pulses and then a spatula to mix
::: everything. We continue this process until smooth.
:::
::: Using this technique, I cannot smell anything that smells like
::: cauliflower. Perhaps you can, but I cannot and neither can my wife.
::: Further, this is an incredibly good facsimile of mashed potatoes.
:::

That's basically the way it's made around my neck of the woods. I
never can
notice any disagreeable smell, either.

"Meshed Cauli" is good.

::: Now, when I boil/steam cauliflower, there is a cauliflower smell
::: that doesn't come out no matter what I do. With the above
::: technique, however, there is no discernable smell for my olfactory
::: senses.
:::
::: --
::: Bob in CT
::
:: Why don't you just make real potatoes the way the Irish did? They
:: steamed them with the skin on, then they mashed them with lots of
:: real butter and heavy cream. The steaming with the skins retains all
:: the nutrients and the added fats knocks down the GI factor
:: significantly, and satiates more. And it tastes great. Then all you
:: need to do is keep the portions to a reasonable size.

Why do that when cauliflower is a perfectly good veggie and you don't
have
to "knock down" the GI factor? And a reasonable portion size is in the
eye
of the beholder, IMO.

Cauliflower is good and if you try, you can adjust to the smell.

I wish folks didn't act as if cauliflower is a poor sub for a damn
potato
when it really is a good veggie. It's not a [censored] child, or
something!
Try eating it raw....if you can deal with that, the smell won't bother
you!
🙂

Then why not eat them as they are. Steamed cauliflower is what it is.
Add some butter, salt and pepper and enjoy. Or a nice cheese sauce?
Why try to make it into a potato substitute?

That is my point. If you want potatoes, make frikkin' potatoes. If you
want cauliflower, make cauliflower. This stupidity about making
fauxtatoes with cauliflower is just denying yourself what you really
want, which is potatoes. Just make the damned potatoes and don't get
stupid with the portions, and make it really creamy and/or buttery
which will bring down its glycemic effects. And don't do it for every
meal every day.

Cauliflower is not a [censored] child, but making fauxtatoes from
cauliflower is the explicit creation of a [censored] child.

I totally disagree. If you don't want to eat fautatoes, then don't eat
them. Stop posting in this thread. You have your ideas and I have mine.
I choose to eat fautatoes not only for myself but for my significant
other. Furthermore, I don't like regular cauliflower. They're
disgusting. If you like them, fine. Eat them.

I really really like smashed cauliflower with cream cheese and other
things in it.

It isn't a potato substitute, it's just good on its own merits. I
can't stand mashed potatoes.

Jo Anne

It's also called cuisine. There are a lot of things that I don't like one
way but do like another way. I think plain hard boiled eggs are yucky, the
yolks are dry and hard to swallow, but devil them and they are quite tasty.
Cook a steak well done and you might as well throw it away. When I was
younger I hated salmon loaf, then I had some at a friend's house that was
delicious, obviously not all salmon loaves are equal. That's why we have
cookbooks, professional chefs and cooking shows.

Roger Zoul wrote:
|
| Well, this is what he has done and it seems to be working for him.
| How can that be?
|
| And, if you can take something you don't like and doctor it up and
| make into something you do like, what's the issue? I call that
| options.
|

Tunderbar said:

I just think that you are falling into the "dieting" mentality when
you try to create substitutes for foods that you are restricting.
Either eat a better version in smaller portions or forget about it
entirely. To make this a way of eating, stop torturing yourself.
Indulge a bit and eat real food.

Your notion of eating real potatoes, but a reasonable portion size, is
completely bogus. A TB of mashed potatoes spikes my blood sugar. And
a TB is hardly a reasonable portion.

How is cauliflower mashed with a bit of cream cheese and chives NOT
real food?

Is your objection cause it's called fauxtatoes? I mean, is it better
if we just called it mashed cauliflower?

My recipe for fauxtatoes:
http://ornery-geeks.atuin/text/cooking/thirtydinners/fauxtatoes.asp

Roger Zoul said:

This is no doubt a holdover from childhood. How many foods are really
disgusting?
I think it's too strong a word unless one is eating something alive...

Naw, liver qualifies even when it's dead as a doornail.

Blech.

Quoted message said:

Why don't you just make real potatoes the way the Irish did? They
steamed them with the skin on, then they mashed them with lots of real
butter and heavy cream. The steaming with the skins retains all the
nutrients and the added fats knocks down the GI factor significantly,
and satiates more. And it tastes great. Then all you need to do is
keep the portions to a reasonable size.

What do you mean "the way the Irish did"? They still do! Portion size,
however, is another matter.

Roger Zoul said:

Hoq many foods are really disgusting?
I think it's too strong a word unless one is eating something alive...

Asparagus, in any form - it's not just disgusting, it's
revolting.

Marsha/Ohio

Quoted message said:

Then why not eat them as they are. Steamed cauliflower is what it is.
Add some butter, salt and pepper and enjoy. Or a nice cheese sauce?
Why try to make it into a potato substitute?

That is my point. If you want potatoes, make frikkin' potatoes. If you
want cauliflower, make cauliflower. This stupidity about making
fauxtatoes with cauliflower is just denying yourself what you really
want, which is potatoes. Just make the damned potatoes and don't get
stupid with the portions, and make it really creamy and/or buttery
which will bring down its glycemic effects. And don't do it for every
meal every day.

Cauliflower is not a [censored] child, but making fauxtatoes from
cauliflower is the explicit creation of a [censored] child.

I don't agree. I see it as just another way in a myriad of ways to eat
cauliflower. If we all ate them in just one way it would soon be boring.

Pat in TX

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Personally, it's just easier to avoid foods that helped get you fat in the
first place and that you tend to eat in excess. And telling people who
had weight problems to start doing portion control....rather than just
eating to a supressed appetite....is just asking for trouble. IMO.

That's what my doctor did--told me that I was just eating too large portions
and if I would cut them back I would lose weight. I didn't. And that trick
about using a smaller plate doesn't work, either.

Pat in TX

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:
:: On May 2, 11:36 am, "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: This is no doubt a holdover from childhood. How many foods are
::: really disgusting?
::: I think it's too strong a word unless one is eating something
::: alive...
::
:: Naw, liver qualifies even when it's dead as a doornail.
::
:: Blech.

Interesting...I never liked liver as a kid...these days, though I rarely eat
liver (it's a filter!), I do enjoy its taste.

Marsha wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Hoq many foods are really disgusting?
::: I think it's too strong a word unless one is eating something
::: alive...
::
:: Asparagus, in any form - it's not just disgusting, it's
:: revolting.
::
:: Marsha/Ohio

Even today, I can only deal with asparagus if the sticks are really skinny.
But cooked in olive oil, it's passable (just barely).

Quoted message said:

Tunderbar said:

I just think that you are falling into the "dieting" mentality when
you try to create substitutes for foods that you are restricting.
Either eat a better version in smaller portions or forget about it
entirely. To make this a way of eating, stop torturing yourself.
Indulge a bit and eat real food.

Your notion of eating real potatoes, but a reasonable portion size, is
completely bogus. A TB of mashed potatoes spikes my blood sugar. And
a TB is hardly a reasonable portion.

How is cauliflower mashed with a bit of cream cheese and chives NOT
real food?

Is your objection cause it's called fauxtatoes? I mean, is it better
if we just called it mashed cauliflower?

My recipe for fauxtatoes:
http://ornery-geeks.atuin/text/cooking/thirtydinners/fauxtatoes.asp

Jackie,

That link doesn't work, but this one does:

http://www.ornery-geeks.org/text/cooking/thirtydinners/fauxtatoes.asp

Marsha/Ohio

I did not get fat eating mashed potatoes (or any potato for

Quoted message said:

that matter; low fat diets aren't conducive to eating potatoes, as they
taste like cardboard unless you put something fatty on them).

I think I might faint! potatoes and cardboard!

Quoted message said:

Sometimes this board pisses me off. I post a recipe for fauxtatoes and
some idiot tells me to eat real potatoes. What? Potatoes are one of the
worst things for you.

Bob! Remember, I'm Irish! This is causing me great anxiety, you saying bad
things about potatoes.

Excuse me while I go off and sing Danny Boy.

Pat in TX

I hardly ever see liver in the stores anymore so I don't cook it now but
years ago I used to make "scrambled liver" which was quite tasty. Best
liver is lamb, even harder to find. Cut liver into bite size cubes and
dredge with flour. Stir fry chopped onions and celery, about as much of
each as there is liver, in oil. When it is getting soft add the liver and
cook till it is seared on all sides. Add a cup or so (depending on amount
of other ingredients) of beef boullion, stir well and let simmer for a few
minutes. Even liver haters like this.

[email hidden] wrote:
| On May 2, 11:36 am, "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
|| This is no doubt a holdover from childhood. How many foods are
|| really disgusting?
|| I think it's too strong a word unless one is eating something
|| alive...
|
| Naw, liver qualifies even when it's dead as a doornail.
|
| Blech.

Oh, my, asparagus is delicious!

Roger Zoul wrote:
| Marsha wrote:
||| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||| Hoq many foods are really disgusting?
|||| I think it's too strong a word unless one is eating something
|||| alive...
|||
||| Asparagus, in any form - it's not just disgusting, it's
||| revolting.
|||
||| Marsha/Ohio
|
| Even today, I can only deal with asparagus if the sticks are really
| skinny. But cooked in olive oil, it's passable (just barely).

FOB wrote:
:: Oh, my, asparagus is delicious!

I can force it down.....but it ain't what I consider delicious....in fact,
it can be downright gross when its stingy.

::
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Marsha wrote:
::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::::: Hoq many foods are really disgusting?
:::::: I think it's too strong a word unless one is eating something
:::::: alive...
:::::
::::: Asparagus, in any form - it's not just disgusting, it's
::::: revolting.
:::::
::::: Marsha/Ohio
:::
::: Even today, I can only deal with asparagus if the sticks are really
::: skinny. But cooked in olive oil, it's passable (just barely).

It really needs to be young and freshly picked though I have gotten some
pretty good stuff from Costco. You do have to cut quite a bit off the
bottoms.

Roger Zoul wrote:
| FOB wrote:
||| Oh, my, asparagus is delicious!
|
| I can force it down.....but it ain't what I consider delicious....in
| fact, it can be downright gross when its stingy.
|

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Zoul said:

FOB wrote:
:: Oh, my, asparagus is delicious!

I can force it down.....but it ain't what I consider delicious....in fact,
it can be downright gross when its stingy.

If it's stringy it's either over-ripe or improperly prepared.

--
AF
"Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
--artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

Liver and onions. Ummm, good!

Pat in TX