So far the prize for least appetising deep fried fare goes to the "healthy vegetable grill" a pal got from one of the chippers in Pitlochry (/not/ The Plaice To Be, which is IMHO pretty good, at least for fish suppers).
It was certainly not grilled, even more certainly not healthy. Whether or not any vegetables were included was not obvious.
That sounds like a pretty extreme example, but it seems to be generally true that anything promoting itself as "healthy" is to be avoided. It's usually some pre-packaged concoction full of weird additives that has slightly less fat or salt than the regular version. Real food like cabbage doesn't come ready to eat in a package with "new improved low calorie" on the front and a list of 30 ingredients on the back.
A few months ago the BMA "came clean" and admitted that their recommended "28 / 21 units per week" figure was not based on any research whatsoever and was just made up as it "seemed reasonable"...
"Mr Smith, a former Editor of the British Medical Journal, said that members of the working party were so concerned by growing evidence of the chronic damage caused by heavy, long-term drinking that they felt obliged to produce guidelines. “Those limits were really plucked out of the air. They were not based on any firm evidence at all. It was a sort of intelligent guess by a committee,” he said."
"Nick Kew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:02:38 -0800 (PST) > Duncan Smith <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> For my today's decision, shall I have beer or wine with my pizza?
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And tomorrows decision - shall I have deep pan or deep fried pizza with my wine? ;-)
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Deep fried would be with a choice of Buckfast Tonic Wine or Irn Bru, shurely? ;-/ (yes, you /really can/ get deep fried pizza in a Scottish chippy...)
If you saw the 'pizzas' in Scottish chippy, you'd know they were not fit to be eaten any other way. Whether they're fit to be eaten at all is left to those who like their 'pizza' deep fried.
"Encouragingly, we did also find some evidence of the penetration of the Mediterranean diet into Scotland, albeit in the form of deep-fried pizza," said Petticrew, director of the social and public health services unit of the UK Medical Research Council, a government health research body.
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/ (yes, you /really can/ get deep fried pizza in a Scottish chippy...)
Don't they at least batter it first?
it's typically optional. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, in other words...
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In article <f7a6a41a-cf37-4d6f-9084- [email hidden]>, POHB [email hidden] says...
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Some shifting is always going on, but I haven't noticed anything particularly seismic beyond the cancer one recently suggesting that bacon was going to kill you (though not as much as a lot of other things).
Eat less, excercise more.
Anything more detailed is just someone trying to make money from a new product, diet book, column inches in a paper or research grant.
Except "eat less, exercise more" could easily kill you if not supplemented with a few details. It also seems to assume that obesity is the only problem caused by food.
And indeed that food does no more than cause obesity. It should not be forgotten that some people have taken "eat less, exercise more" so much to heart that they are showing signs of malnutrition.
My wife and I have started the year with a bit of a dietary shift: spend more money on fruit, fruit juices and smoothies, less on wine and crisps and exercise more. So far, it's been fun and appears to be saving us money.
The disclosure that the 1987 recommendation was prompted by "a feeling that you had to say something‰ came from Richard Smith, a member of the Royal College of Physicians working party that produced it.
He told The Times that the committee's epidemiologist had confessed that "it's impossible to say what's safe and what isn't‰ because "we don't really have any data whatsoever‰. "
IIRC the average daily calorific intake has actually gone down since the industrial revolution (at least for some people), just not as much as the average amount of exercise has done!
And homes have got warmer and people spend more of their time indoors, further reducing calorie burn.
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:27:43 -0800 (PST), "[email hidden]"
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Fried? Pizza? What on earth does it look like? I've never seen it cooked that way in Naples (where pizza originated) or in any other Italian city.
IME (15 years ago) it generally has a thick bready base and is folded in half calzone-style before frying, although you could also buy half pizzas which were fried just as they came (flat).
But after all my (our) joking about them, here they are in Naples! Looks like this is roughly the calzone-style approach again, filling in the middle:
The disclosure that the 1987 recommendation was prompted by "a feeling that you had to say something‰ came from Richard Smith, a member of the Royal College of Physicians working party that produced it.
He told The Times that the committee's epidemiologist had confessed that "it's impossible to say what's safe and what isn't‰ because "we don't really have any data whatsoever‰. "
OTOH, it is indeed the case that broad-brush stuff won't necessarily apply to everyone. For example, we were amused/exasperated the other day to see "The Diet Doctors" on TV apparently equate "more exercise" with "going to the gym". I don''t really like gyms, so I guess that means I'll have trouble doing more exercise...
Going to the gym can be quite good exercise if done on foot or bicycle. Don't make the very expensive mistake of going in, however. Just keep going :-)
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