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  1. Stacy wrote:

    snip

    Quoted message said:

    | Drink the stuff if you like it, but please be ready to show a study
    | demonstrating human benefit for when you claim such exist.
    |
    | Maybe you'll want to consider some milk thistle extract to protect
    | your liver from Noni damage.
    |
    | Ed

    Now who's making unsubstantiated claims? Liver damage? Give me a break!

    I posted a case report which showed that one person sustained a
    hepatotixic reaction. Either you missed it, did not read it when I
    posted it (you did respond to it) or did not understand it. Be that as
    it may, here it is again:

    Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation
    (Morinda citrifolia).

    Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W.

    Clinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University
    of Innsbruck, Austria. [email hidden]

    A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly
    elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical
    history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis.
    Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no
    evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus,
    autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson's
    disease. During the interview he admitted that for 'prophylactic
    reasons' he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a
    Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the
    preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity,
    which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of
    Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal
    ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is
    the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which
    has been highly praised in the tabloid press.

    Publication Types:
    Case Reports

    Hmmmm...hepatotoxic...

    Hepatotoxic refers to the L I V E R.

  2. Stacy wrote:

    snip

    Quoted message said:

    | Drink the stuff if you like it, but please be ready to show a study
    | demonstrating human benefit for when you claim such exist.
    |
    | Maybe you'll want to consider some milk thistle extract to protect
    | your liver from Noni damage.
    |
    | Ed

    Now who's making unsubstantiated claims? Liver damage? Give me a break!

    I posted a case report which showed that one person sustained a
    hepatotixic reaction. Either you missed it, did not read it when I
    posted it (you did respond to it) or did not understand it. Be that as
    it may, here it is again:

    Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation
    (Morinda citrifolia).

    Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W.

    Clinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University
    of Innsbruck, Austria. [email hidden]

    A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly
    elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical
    history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis.
    Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no
    evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus,
    autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson's
    disease. During the interview he admitted that for 'prophylactic
    reasons' he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a
    Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the
    preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity,
    which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of
    Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal
    ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is
    the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which
    has been highly praised in the tabloid press.

    Publication Types:
    Case Reports

    Hmmmm...hepatotoxic...

    Hepatotoxic refers to the L I V E R.

  3. Stacy wrote:

    snip

    Quoted message said:

    | Drink the stuff if you like it, but please be ready to show a study
    | demonstrating human benefit for when you claim such exist.
    |
    | Maybe you'll want to consider some milk thistle extract to protect
    | your liver from Noni damage.
    |
    | Ed

    Now who's making unsubstantiated claims? Liver damage? Give me a break!

    I posted a case report which showed that one person sustained a
    hepatotixic reaction. Either you missed it, did not read it when I
    posted it (you did respond to it) or did not understand it. Be that as
    it may, here it is again:

    Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation
    (Morinda citrifolia).

    Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W.

    Clinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University
    of Innsbruck, Austria. [email hidden]

    A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly
    elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical
    history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis.
    Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no
    evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus,
    autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson's
    disease. During the interview he admitted that for 'prophylactic
    reasons' he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a
    Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the
    preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity,
    which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of
    Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal
    ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is
    the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which
    has been highly praised in the tabloid press.

    Publication Types:
    Case Reports

    Hmmmm...hepatotoxic...

    Hepatotoxic refers to the L I V E R.

  4. Stacy wrote:

    snip

    Quoted message said:

    | Drink the stuff if you like it, but please be ready to show a study
    | demonstrating human benefit for when you claim such exist.
    |
    | Maybe you'll want to consider some milk thistle extract to protect
    | your liver from Noni damage.
    |
    | Ed

    Now who's making unsubstantiated claims? Liver damage? Give me a break!

    I posted a case report which showed that one person sustained a
    hepatotixic reaction. Either you missed it, did not read it when I
    posted it (you did respond to it) or did not understand it. Be that as
    it may, here it is again:

    Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation
    (Morinda citrifolia).

    Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W.

    Clinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University
    of Innsbruck, Austria. [email hidden]

    A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly
    elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical
    history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis.
    Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no
    evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus,
    autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson's
    disease. During the interview he admitted that for 'prophylactic
    reasons' he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a
    Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the
    preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity,
    which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of
    Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal
    ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is
    the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which
    has been highly praised in the tabloid press.

    Publication Types:
    Case Reports

    Hmmmm...hepatotoxic...

    Hepatotoxic refers to the L I V E R.

  5. Stacy wrote:

    snip

    Quoted message said:

    | Drink the stuff if you like it, but please be ready to show a study
    | demonstrating human benefit for when you claim such exist.
    |
    | Maybe you'll want to consider some milk thistle extract to protect
    | your liver from Noni damage.
    |
    | Ed

    Now who's making unsubstantiated claims? Liver damage? Give me a break!

    I posted a case report which showed that one person sustained a
    hepatotixic reaction. Either you missed it, did not read it when I
    posted it (you did respond to it) or did not understand it. Be that as
    it may, here it is again:

    Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation
    (Morinda citrifolia).

    Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W.

    Clinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University
    of Innsbruck, Austria. [email hidden]

    A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly
    elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical
    history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis.
    Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no
    evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus,
    autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson's
    disease. During the interview he admitted that for 'prophylactic
    reasons' he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a
    Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the
    preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity,
    which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of
    Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal
    ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is
    the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which
    has been highly praised in the tabloid press.

    Publication Types:
    Case Reports

    Hmmmm...hepatotoxic...

    Hepatotoxic refers to the L I V E R.

  6. Mr-Natural-Health said:

    And, the only reason you are responding to this THREAD is moi.

    You're annoying but amusing in a pathetic kind of way.

    Quoted message said:

    That makes you an even bigger fool and waster of time.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    Coughing up your teeth?

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, by the way. My site was just re-certified again on 7/21/05.

    No Gohde, your site wasn't certified, you were! I always knew you were
    certifiable you daft twit.

    Quoted message said:

    Just thought that an idiot like you would want to know. 🙂


    Not really.

    RBR

  7. Mr-Natural-Health said:

    And, the only reason you are responding to this THREAD is moi.

    You're annoying but amusing in a pathetic kind of way.

    Quoted message said:

    That makes you an even bigger fool and waster of time.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    Coughing up your teeth?

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, by the way. My site was just re-certified again on 7/21/05.

    No Gohde, your site wasn't certified, you were! I always knew you were
    certifiable you daft twit.

    Quoted message said:

    Just thought that an idiot like you would want to know. 🙂


    Not really.

    RBR

  8. Mr-Natural-Health said:

    And, the only reason you are responding to this THREAD is moi.

    You're annoying but amusing in a pathetic kind of way.

    Quoted message said:

    That makes you an even bigger fool and waster of time.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    Coughing up your teeth?

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, by the way. My site was just re-certified again on 7/21/05.

    No Gohde, your site wasn't certified, you were! I always knew you were
    certifiable you daft twit.

    Quoted message said:

    Just thought that an idiot like you would want to know. 🙂


    Not really.

    RBR

  9. Mr-Natural-Health said:

    And, the only reason you are responding to this THREAD is moi.

    You're annoying but amusing in a pathetic kind of way.

    Quoted message said:

    That makes you an even bigger fool and waster of time.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    Coughing up your teeth?

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, by the way. My site was just re-certified again on 7/21/05.

    No Gohde, your site wasn't certified, you were! I always knew you were
    certifiable you daft twit.

    Quoted message said:

    Just thought that an idiot like you would want to know. 🙂


    Not really.

    RBR

  10. Mr-Natural-Health said:

    And, the only reason you are responding to this THREAD is moi.

    You're annoying but amusing in a pathetic kind of way.

    Quoted message said:

    That makes you an even bigger fool and waster of time.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    Coughing up your teeth?

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, by the way. My site was just re-certified again on 7/21/05.

    No Gohde, your site wasn't certified, you were! I always knew you were
    certifiable you daft twit.

    Quoted message said:

    Just thought that an idiot like you would want to know. 🙂


    Not really.

    RBR

  11. Mr-Natural-Health said:

    And, the only reason you are responding to this THREAD is moi.

    You're annoying but amusing in a pathetic kind of way.

    Quoted message said:

    That makes you an even bigger fool and waster of time.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    Coughing up your teeth?

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, by the way. My site was just re-certified again on 7/21/05.

    No Gohde, your site wasn't certified, you were! I always knew you were
    certifiable you daft twit.

    Quoted message said:

    Just thought that an idiot like you would want to know. 🙂


    Not really.

    RBR

  12. Stacy said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    | Stacy wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    |<snip five abstracts which do not show any human benefit for NONI>

    Quoted message said:

    |<snip my observation that these show NO human benefit>
    |
    | Drink the stuff if you like it, but please be ready to show a study
    | demonstrating human benefit for when you claim such exist.
    |
    | Maybe you'll want to consider some milk thistle extract to protect
    | your liver from Noni damage.

    Now who's making unsubstantiated claims? Liver damage? Give me a break!

    As Mark Probert pointed out, the documented case of NONI liver damage
    was posted in this thread very recently. I don't know if this weakness
    is comprehension, memory, carelessness or what.

    I want to leave you with a healthy suggestion. Maybe substitute
    something healthier for Noni for a couple weeks at a time and look for
    signs of improved memory or comprehension. In this way you can test if
    the NONI is causing a problem. Maybe try apple juice or Koolaid.

    It doesn't matter whether you are (possibly) allergic to Noni or being
    poisoned by it like the case already posted. The Noni victim in that
    case recovered from his poisoning and you may be able to so also.
    Maximizing your recovery is the important thing.

  13. I take a tablespoon every few days. I don't think that would present a
    problem.

    As for liver damage and that study at pubmed there aren't enough details on
    what was going on with that particular patient/study. And of course very
    high doses of anything is not good. Also you can over due potassium just as
    any other vit. mineral.

    I've read similiar such warning about vitamin A & C.
    And of course iron and copper can be deadly when overdone.
    There's also been warnings about calcium builde up in the arteries yet most
    people need higher doses of calcium as they age.

    You can find adverse reactions on just about any vitamin or mineral if you
    LOOK for it.

    I'm not drinking bottles of the stuff. I'm using a tablespoon every other
    day if I think about it, just as I take other supps.

    Noni is not only over hyped but is also over demonized.

    "just Ed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    |
    |
    | Stacy wrote:
    | > <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | > news:[email hidden]...
    | > | Stacy wrote:
    |
    | > |<snip five abstracts which do not show any human benefit for NONI>
    |
    | > |<snip my observation that these show NO human benefit>
    | > |
    | > | Drink the stuff if you like it, but please be ready to show a study
    | > | demonstrating human benefit for when you claim such exist.
    | > |
    | > | Maybe you'll want to consider some milk thistle extract to protect
    | > | your liver from Noni damage.
    | >
    | > Now who's making unsubstantiated claims? Liver damage? Give me a break!
    |
    | As Mark Probert pointed out, the documented case of NONI liver damage
    | was posted in this thread very recently. I don't know if this weakness
    | is comprehension, memory, carelessness or what.
    |
    | I want to leave you with a healthy suggestion. Maybe substitute
    | something healthier for Noni for a couple weeks at a time and look for
    | signs of improved memory or comprehension. In this way you can test if
    | the NONI is causing a problem. Maybe try apple juice or Koolaid.
    |
    | It doesn't matter whether you are (possibly) allergic to Noni or being
    | poisoned by it like the case already posted. The Noni victim in that
    | case recovered from his poisoning and you may be able to so also.
    | Maximizing your recovery is the important thing.
    |

  14. Stacy said:

    I take a tablespoon every few days. I don't think that would present a
    problem.

    As for liver damage and that study at pubmed there aren't enough details on
    what was going on with that particular patient/study.

    You either did not understand it or did not read it. Firstly, it is not
    a "study" but a case report. The physicians ruled out every known cause
    of the patient's problems and then he coughed up the fact that he was
    taking this chemical cocktail, a/k/a noni juice.

    I wonder if the packaging advises that there is a limit to how much.

    And of course very

    Quoted message said:

    high doses of anything is not good. Also you can over due potassium just as
    any other vit. mineral.

    I've read similiar such warning about vitamin A & C.
    And of course iron and copper can be deadly when overdone.
    There's also been warnings about calcium builde up in the arteries yet most
    people need higher doses of calcium as they age.

    You can find adverse reactions on just about any vitamin or mineral if you
    LOOK for it.

    I'm not drinking bottles of the stuff. I'm using a tablespoon every other
    day if I think about it, just as I take other supps.

    Noni is not only over hyped but is also over demonized.

    "just Ed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    |
    |
    | Stacy wrote:
    | > <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | > news:[email hidden]...
    | > | Stacy wrote:
    |
    | > |<snip five abstracts which do not show any human benefit for NONI>
    |
    | > |<snip my observation that these show NO human benefit>
    | > |
    | > | Drink the stuff if you like it, but please be ready to show a study
    | > | demonstrating human benefit for when you claim such exist.
    | > |
    | > | Maybe you'll want to consider some milk thistle extract to protect
    | > | your liver from Noni damage.
    | >
    | > Now who's making unsubstantiated claims? Liver damage? Give me a break!
    |
    | As Mark Probert pointed out, the documented case of NONI liver damage
    | was posted in this thread very recently. I don't know if this weakness
    | is comprehension, memory, carelessness or what.
    |
    | I want to leave you with a healthy suggestion. Maybe substitute
    | something healthier for Noni for a couple weeks at a time and look for
    | signs of improved memory or comprehension. In this way you can test if
    | the NONI is causing a problem. Maybe try apple juice or Koolaid.
    |
    | It doesn't matter whether you are (possibly) allergic to Noni or being
    | poisoned by it like the case already posted. The Noni victim in that
    | case recovered from his poisoning and you may be able to so also.
    | Maximizing your recovery is the important thing.
    |

  15. Stacy,
    It seems that although the point of newsgroups is to share information and
    ask questions in good nature, some people take it to an extreme here.

    I have done a little research into noni juice myself, when a friend
    mentioned it. I don't know if you have heard of monosacharides or
    glyconutrients, but basically on every cell in a person's body their are
    glyco-proteins and then there are monosacharides attached to those
    glyco-proteins. These monosacharides or glyconutrients are how the cells
    communicate. To make a long scientific explaination short, we get these
    glyconutrients through our diets, but since all our fruits and vegetables
    are picked green and shipped cross country, they fail to have those vital
    nutrients in them because the fruits and vegetables were not allowed to
    "vine-ripen". Anyways, basically if our cells aren't communicating, then
    that results in sickness, diseases, etc. There are 8 vital monosacharides
    and our body only produces 2 on a regular basis, so if we aren't getting the
    other 6, then it isn't so mind boggling why disease and sickness is on the
    rise!

    As far as noni-juice goes, it has I believe, 1 or 2 of the 8 glyconutrients
    in it. I believe if I understand what noni juice is, it is basically the
    juice from an almost rotten noni fruit. So therefore, that fruit was allowed
    to vine ripen and therefore has some nutrients in it.

    Anyways, I am not an expert, but thought I would share what I have found so
    far. www.glycoinformation.org is a purely informational, educational site
    that is interesting. Also, www.glycoscience.org is a scientific site on the
    science of glycomics and glycobiology.

  16. LRitchhart said:

    Anyways, I am not an expert,

    WOW! You do have insight.

    but thought I would share what I have found so

    Quoted message said:

    far. www.glycoinformation.org is a purely informational, educational site
    that is interesting. Also, www.glycoscience.org is a scientific site on the
    science of glycomics and glycobiology.

    So you say. However, their site says:

    Copyright 2000-2005 Mannatech™ Incorporated. All Rights Reserved.
    This site is provided by Mannatech™ Incorporated as an educational site
    for use in the United States. Specific handling of printed documents
    from this site is covered in detail under Legal Notices and Terms of Use.

    IOW, they are shills for MannDRECK (DRECK is a Yiddish word meaning
    [censored]) and you are most likely a MannaDreckie, a/k/a MLM salescreep.

  17. Mark Probert said:
    LRitchhart said:

    Anyways, I am not an expert,

    WOW! You do have insight.

    but thought I would share what I have found so

    Quoted message said:

    far. www.glycoinformation.org is a purely informational, educational site
    that is interesting. Also, www.glycoscience.org is a scientific site onthe
    science of glycomics and glycobiology.

    So you say. However, their site says:

    Copyright 2000-2005 Mannatech™ Incorporated. All Rights Reserved.
    This site is provided by Mannatech™ Incorporated as an educational site
    for use in the United States. Specific handling of printed documents
    from this site is covered in detail under Legal Notices and Terms of Use.

    IOW, they are shills for MannDRECK (DRECK is a Yiddish word meaning
    [censored]) and you are most likely a MannaDreckie, a/k/a MLM salescreep.

    I think that you're right about LRitchhart, and Mannatech has some
    'splaining to do:
    see "Mannatech Sued for Fraud and Invasion of Privacy"
    http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Mannatech/complaint.html

    MLM watch info page on them
    http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Mannatech/mannatech00.html

    from Canberra Fibromyalgia and CFS pages
    http://www.masmith.inspired.net.au/docs/mannatec.htm

    Its funny how the "purely informational, educational site"
    glycoinformation.org has mostly links to shop for Mannatech
    product or to get on board with MLM. I don't see ANYTHING else.
    Great info like:
    "Free Report ! Secrets of How To Add 20 to 30 Mannatech Reps A Week"

  18. Thanks for the post and explanation on noni.

    "LRitchhart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:PYrGe.103528$oK.50392@okepread02...
    | Stacy,
    | It seems that although the point of newsgroups is to share information and
    | ask questions in good nature, some people take it to an extreme here.
    |
    | I have done a little research into noni juice myself, when a friend
    | mentioned it. I don't know if you have heard of monosacharides or
    | glyconutrients, but basically on every cell in a person's body their are
    | glyco-proteins and then there are monosacharides attached to those
    | glyco-proteins. These monosacharides or glyconutrients are how the cells
    | communicate. To make a long scientific explaination short, we get these
    | glyconutrients through our diets, but since all our fruits and vegetables
    | are picked green and shipped cross country, they fail to have those vital
    | nutrients in them because the fruits and vegetables were not allowed to
    | "vine-ripen". Anyways, basically if our cells aren't communicating, then
    | that results in sickness, diseases, etc. There are 8 vital monosacharides
    | and our body only produces 2 on a regular basis, so if we aren't getting
    the
    | other 6, then it isn't so mind boggling why disease and sickness is on the
    | rise!
    |
    | As far as noni-juice goes, it has I believe, 1 or 2 of the 8
    glyconutrients
    | in it. I believe if I understand what noni juice is, it is basically the
    | juice from an almost rotten noni fruit. So therefore, that fruit was
    allowed
    | to vine ripen and therefore has some nutrients in it.
    |
    | Anyways, I am not an expert, but thought I would share what I have found
    so
    | far. www.glycoinformation.org is a purely informational, educational site
    | that is interesting. Also, www.glycoscience.org is a scientific site on
    the
    | science of glycomics and glycobiology.
    |
    |

  19. Quoted message said:
    Mark Probert said:
    LRitchhart said:

    Anyways, I am not an expert,

    WOW! You do have insight.

    but thought I would share what I have found so

    Quoted message said:

    far. www.glycoinformation.org is a purely informational, educational site
    that is interesting. Also, www.glycoscience.org is a scientific site on the
    science of glycomics and glycobiology.

    So you say. However, their site says:

    Copyright 2000-2005 Mannatech™ Incorporated. All Rights Reserved.
    This site is provided by Mannatech™ Incorporated as an educational site
    for use in the United States. Specific handling of printed documents
    from this site is covered in detail under Legal Notices and Terms of Use.

    IOW, they are shills for MannDRECK (DRECK is a Yiddish word meaning
    [censored]) and you are most likely a MannaDreckie, a/k/a MLM salescreep.

    I think that you're right about LRitchhart, and Mannatech has some
    'splaining to do:
    see "Mannatech Sued for Fraud and Invasion of Privacy"
    http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Mannatech/complaint.html

    MLM watch info page on them
    http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Mannatech/mannatech00.html

    from Canberra Fibromyalgia and CFS pages
    http://www.masmith.inspired.net.au/docs/mannatec.htm

    Its funny how the "purely informational, educational site"
    glycoinformation.org has mostly links to shop for Mannatech
    product or to get on board with MLM. I don't see ANYTHING else.
    Great info like:
    "Free Report ! Secrets of How To Add 20 to 30 Mannatech Reps A Week"

    MannaDRECK has been around for quite a while. They had a supplement that
    they claimed treated AD/HD, until the FTC got invovled after a complaint
    was filed. They were my personal introduction to the world of
    AlternativeQuackFraud.

  20. I am here to share information. Yes, Mannatech is the prime company that
    first made health supplements with the necessary glyconutrients in them. But
    there are other company's popping up.

    As far as I am concerned, everyone needs to know about the neccessity of
    "glyconutrients" and what they are. As far as getting those glyconutrients
    it is up to them to choose the company or product they want to use.

    Here is third-party information for you skeptics who say it's all Mannatech
    hype!

    Harpers Biochemistry, a medical textbook that has been educating healthcare
    professionals about Glyconutrients and their role in health and healing
    since 1996.

    The Physician's Desk Reference (PDR), is used by 99% of all doctors and
    healthcare professionals before recommending solutions to their patients.
    Glyco-nutrients are listed for compromised immune systems.

    Science Magazine, the premier journal for researchers and scientists
    recently dedicated an entire issue to educating the science and medical
    community about Glyconutrients, Glycobiology and Glycoscience. March 23 2001
    Special Issue: Carbohydrates & Glycobiology

    Acta Anatomica
    Glycosciences - issue 161/1-4/98

    International Journal of Anatomy, Embryology and Cell Biology.

    Glycosylation is the most common form of protein and lipid modification but
    its biological significance has long been underestimated. The last decade,
    however, has witnessed the rapid emergence of the concept of the sugar code
    of biological information: indeed, monosaccharides represent an alphabet of
    biological information similar to amino acids and nucleic acids but with
    unsurpassed coding capacity.

    Technology Review (MIT)

    Sugars could be biology's next sweet spot.

    The 1990s may well be remembered in biology as the decade of the gene,
    culminating in the completion of the Human Genome Project's working draft.
    And the next big thing in medicine may be the study of the proteins coded
    for by all those genes. But even as doctors and drug companies struggle to
    interpret and exploit the recent explosion of data on genes and proteins,
    yet another field of biology is waiting to break out: glycomics. This
    emerging discipline seeks to do for sugars and carbohydrates what genomics
    and proteomics have done for genes and proteins-move them into the
    mainstream of biomedical research and drug discovery.

    Scientific American - MEDICINE
    Changing Cancer Cells' "Surface Sugars" can Inhibit Tumor Growth - Jan. 22,
    2002
    Click Here for the Complete Article.

    The key to halting cancer cells may lie in their sugary coats, scientists
    say. Carbohydrate molecules surround all cells and help them to identify and
    interact with one another. Now new research, published today in the
    Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, indicates that altering
    some of the surface sugars associated with cancer cells can control tumor
    growth. The findings suggest that the sugars could one day serve as targets
    for new anti-cancer therapies.

    Those are all VALID scientific resources. I certainly hope there isn't a
    "conspiracy" between them all to "scam" as many people as they can!!

    "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    LRitchhart said:

    Anyways, I am not an expert,

    WOW! You do have insight.

    but thought I would share what I have found so

    Quoted message said:

    far. www.glycoinformation.org is a purely informational, educational site
    that is interesting. Also, www.glycoscience.org is a scientific site on
    the science of glycomics and glycobiology.

    So you say. However, their site says:

    Copyright 2000-2005 Mannatech™ Incorporated. All Rights Reserved.
    This site is provided by Mannatech™ Incorporated as an educational site
    for use in the United States. Specific handling of printed documents from
    this site is covered in detail under Legal Notices and Terms of Use.

    IOW, they are shills for MannDRECK (DRECK is a Yiddish word meaning [censored])
    and you are most likely a MannaDreckie, a/k/a MLM salescreep.

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