noni fruit

Stacy said:

Your bias is showing here. You didn't list ANY of the positive studies. More
of them than the negative. And you need to put in the proper name. Not
"noni".
You think that if that's all I had read, I would have got some?

You said you went to pubmed and got positive results. If you wanted to
post them, then you should have.

I posted three, two of which show that there is may be a positive effect
for those who may be having a problem. The third shows that there can be
a problem.

If you think the world is all good news, then you do not read enough.

Quoted message said:

Stacy.

"George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
|> Stacy wrote:
| > Put it into a search on pubmed.org and you will find some positive
| results.
|
| "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote:
| > "In the dialysis population, Noni juice should be avoided because of its
| > high potassium content."
| >
| > "Based on these results, the MR extracts may act as both a suppressor of
| > bone resorption and an enhancer of bone formation in vivo and may have
| > some favorable effects for preventing and treating the osteoporosis
| > induced by sciatic neurectomy."
| >
| > Those are for people with medical problems.
|
| Mark, thanks for this info.
|
| > Stacy wrote:
| > However, what happens when a healthy person drinks it?
|
| "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> replied:
| > Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation
| > (Morinda citrifolia).
|
| Mark, thanks for posting this info.
| ======================
| > Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W.
| >
| > Clinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University
| > of Innsbruck, Austria. [email hidden]
| >
| > A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly
| > elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical
| > history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis.
| > Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no
| > evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus,
| > autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson's
| > disease. During the interview he admitted that for 'prophylactic
| > reasons' he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a
| > Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the
| > preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity,
| > which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of
| > Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal
| > ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is
| > the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which
| > has been highly praised in the tabloid press.
| >
| > Publication Types:
| > Case Reports
| >
| > Hmmmm...hepatotoxic...
| >
| > No thanks.
|
|

Stacy said:

Your bias is showing here. You didn't list ANY of the positive studies. More
of them than the negative. And you need to put in the proper name. Not
"noni".
You think that if that's all I had read, I would have got some?

You said you went to pubmed and got positive results. If you wanted to
post them, then you should have.

I posted three, two of which show that there is may be a positive effect
for those who may be having a problem. The third shows that there can be
a problem.

If you think the world is all good news, then you do not read enough.

Quoted message said:

Stacy.

"George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
|> Stacy wrote:
| > Put it into a search on pubmed.org and you will find some positive
| results.
|
| "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote:
| > "In the dialysis population, Noni juice should be avoided because of its
| > high potassium content."
| >
| > "Based on these results, the MR extracts may act as both a suppressor of
| > bone resorption and an enhancer of bone formation in vivo and may have
| > some favorable effects for preventing and treating the osteoporosis
| > induced by sciatic neurectomy."
| >
| > Those are for people with medical problems.
|
| Mark, thanks for this info.
|
| > Stacy wrote:
| > However, what happens when a healthy person drinks it?
|
| "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> replied:
| > Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation
| > (Morinda citrifolia).
|
| Mark, thanks for posting this info.
| ======================
| > Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W.
| >
| > Clinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University
| > of Innsbruck, Austria. [email hidden]
| >
| > A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly
| > elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical
| > history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis.
| > Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no
| > evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus,
| > autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson's
| > disease. During the interview he admitted that for 'prophylactic
| > reasons' he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a
| > Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the
| > preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity,
| > which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of
| > Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal
| > ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is
| > the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which
| > has been highly praised in the tabloid press.
| >
| > Publication Types:
| > Case Reports
| >
| > Hmmmm...hepatotoxic...
| >
| > No thanks.
|
|

Stacy said:

Your bias is showing here. You didn't list ANY of the positive studies. More
of them than the negative. And you need to put in the proper name. Not
"noni".
You think that if that's all I had read, I would have got some?

You said you went to pubmed and got positive results. If you wanted to
post them, then you should have.

I posted three, two of which show that there is may be a positive effect
for those who may be having a problem. The third shows that there can be
a problem.

If you think the world is all good news, then you do not read enough.

Quoted message said:

Stacy.

"George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
|> Stacy wrote:
| > Put it into a search on pubmed.org and you will find some positive
| results.
|
| "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote:
| > "In the dialysis population, Noni juice should be avoided because of its
| > high potassium content."
| >
| > "Based on these results, the MR extracts may act as both a suppressor of
| > bone resorption and an enhancer of bone formation in vivo and may have
| > some favorable effects for preventing and treating the osteoporosis
| > induced by sciatic neurectomy."
| >
| > Those are for people with medical problems.
|
| Mark, thanks for this info.
|
| > Stacy wrote:
| > However, what happens when a healthy person drinks it?
|
| "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> replied:
| > Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation
| > (Morinda citrifolia).
|
| Mark, thanks for posting this info.
| ======================
| > Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W.
| >
| > Clinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University
| > of Innsbruck, Austria. [email hidden]
| >
| > A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly
| > elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical
| > history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis.
| > Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no
| > evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus,
| > autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson's
| > disease. During the interview he admitted that for 'prophylactic
| > reasons' he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a
| > Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the
| > preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity,
| > which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of
| > Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal
| > ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is
| > the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which
| > has been highly praised in the tabloid press.
| >
| > Publication Types:
| > Case Reports
| >
| > Hmmmm...hepatotoxic...
| >
| > No thanks.
|
|

Stacy said:

Your bias is showing here. You didn't list ANY of the positive studies. More
of them than the negative. And you need to put in the proper name. Not
"noni".
You think that if that's all I had read, I would have got some?

You said you went to pubmed and got positive results. If you wanted to
post them, then you should have.

I posted three, two of which show that there is may be a positive effect
for those who may be having a problem. The third shows that there can be
a problem.

If you think the world is all good news, then you do not read enough.

Quoted message said:

Stacy.

"George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
|> Stacy wrote:
| > Put it into a search on pubmed.org and you will find some positive
| results.
|
| "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote:
| > "In the dialysis population, Noni juice should be avoided because of its
| > high potassium content."
| >
| > "Based on these results, the MR extracts may act as both a suppressor of
| > bone resorption and an enhancer of bone formation in vivo and may have
| > some favorable effects for preventing and treating the osteoporosis
| > induced by sciatic neurectomy."
| >
| > Those are for people with medical problems.
|
| Mark, thanks for this info.
|
| > Stacy wrote:
| > However, what happens when a healthy person drinks it?
|
| "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> replied:
| > Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation
| > (Morinda citrifolia).
|
| Mark, thanks for posting this info.
| ======================
| > Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W.
| >
| > Clinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University
| > of Innsbruck, Austria. [email hidden]
| >
| > A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly
| > elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical
| > history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis.
| > Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no
| > evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus,
| > autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson's
| > disease. During the interview he admitted that for 'prophylactic
| > reasons' he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a
| > Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the
| > preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity,
| > which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of
| > Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal
| > ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is
| > the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which
| > has been highly praised in the tabloid press.
| >
| > Publication Types:
| > Case Reports
| >
| > Hmmmm...hepatotoxic...
| >
| > No thanks.
|
|

Stacy said:

Your bias is showing here. You didn't list ANY of the positive studies. More
of them than the negative. And you need to put in the proper name. Not
"noni".
You think that if that's all I had read, I would have got some?

You said you went to pubmed and got positive results. If you wanted to
post them, then you should have.

I posted three, two of which show that there is may be a positive effect
for those who may be having a problem. The third shows that there can be
a problem.

If you think the world is all good news, then you do not read enough.

Quoted message said:

Stacy.

"George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
|> Stacy wrote:
| > Put it into a search on pubmed.org and you will find some positive
| results.
|
| "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote:
| > "In the dialysis population, Noni juice should be avoided because of its
| > high potassium content."
| >
| > "Based on these results, the MR extracts may act as both a suppressor of
| > bone resorption and an enhancer of bone formation in vivo and may have
| > some favorable effects for preventing and treating the osteoporosis
| > induced by sciatic neurectomy."
| >
| > Those are for people with medical problems.
|
| Mark, thanks for this info.
|
| > Stacy wrote:
| > However, what happens when a healthy person drinks it?
|
| "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> replied:
| > Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation
| > (Morinda citrifolia).
|
| Mark, thanks for posting this info.
| ======================
| > Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W.
| >
| > Clinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University
| > of Innsbruck, Austria. [email hidden]
| >
| > A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly
| > elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical
| > history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis.
| > Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no
| > evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus,
| > autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson's
| > disease. During the interview he admitted that for 'prophylactic
| > reasons' he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a
| > Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the
| > preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity,
| > which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of
| > Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal
| > ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is
| > the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which
| > has been highly praised in the tabloid press.
| >
| > Publication Types:
| > Case Reports
| >
| > Hmmmm...hepatotoxic...
| >
| > No thanks.
|
|

Stacy said:

Your bias is showing here. You didn't list ANY of the positive studies. More
of them than the negative. And you need to put in the proper name. Not
"noni".
You think that if that's all I had read, I would have got some?

You said you went to pubmed and got positive results. If you wanted to
post them, then you should have.

I posted three, two of which show that there is may be a positive effect
for those who may be having a problem. The third shows that there can be
a problem.

If you think the world is all good news, then you do not read enough.

Quoted message said:

Stacy.

"George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
|> Stacy wrote:
| > Put it into a search on pubmed.org and you will find some positive
| results.
|
| "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote:
| > "In the dialysis population, Noni juice should be avoided because of its
| > high potassium content."
| >
| > "Based on these results, the MR extracts may act as both a suppressor of
| > bone resorption and an enhancer of bone formation in vivo and may have
| > some favorable effects for preventing and treating the osteoporosis
| > induced by sciatic neurectomy."
| >
| > Those are for people with medical problems.
|
| Mark, thanks for this info.
|
| > Stacy wrote:
| > However, what happens when a healthy person drinks it?
|
| "Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> replied:
| > Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation
| > (Morinda citrifolia).
|
| Mark, thanks for posting this info.
| ======================
| > Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W.
| >
| > Clinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University
| > of Innsbruck, Austria. [email hidden]
| >
| > A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly
| > elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical
| > history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis.
| > Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no
| > evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus,
| > autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson's
| > disease. During the interview he admitted that for 'prophylactic
| > reasons' he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a
| > Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the
| > preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity,
| > which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of
| > Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal
| > ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is
| > the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which
| > has been highly praised in the tabloid press.
| >
| > Publication Types:
| > Case Reports
| >
| > Hmmmm...hepatotoxic...
| >
| > No thanks.
|
|

Enrico C said:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in
<news:[email hidden]> on
misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition :

[...]

Quoted message said:

you think that anythiong you makemoney on is your RIGHT, and the fact
that it is dangerous and worthless makes NO difference

What state are you in ?

Noni juice sales are banned in California, Arizona, New Jersey and Texas
- for fraud

First, let me say I don't know anything about this "noni fruit juice". 🙂

Out of curiosity, I googled a bit and found this document by the Scientific
Committee on Food of the European Union (11 December 2002), and I think it
may be of interest for Stacy.

http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out151_en.pdf
5. CONCLUSIONS
[...]
The data supplied and the information available to the Committee provided
no evidence for special health benefits of Tahitian Noni(R) juice which go
beyond those of other fruit juices.
======

A long list of references follows, in that text...

Gotta keep that URL. Nonsense juice nuts make all sorts of claims.

Quoted message said:

X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition

Enrico C said:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in
<news:[email hidden]> on
misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition :

[...]

Quoted message said:

you think that anythiong you makemoney on is your RIGHT, and the fact
that it is dangerous and worthless makes NO difference

What state are you in ?

Noni juice sales are banned in California, Arizona, New Jersey and Texas
- for fraud

First, let me say I don't know anything about this "noni fruit juice". 🙂

Out of curiosity, I googled a bit and found this document by the Scientific
Committee on Food of the European Union (11 December 2002), and I think it
may be of interest for Stacy.

http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out151_en.pdf
5. CONCLUSIONS
[...]
The data supplied and the information available to the Committee provided
no evidence for special health benefits of Tahitian Noni(R) juice which go
beyond those of other fruit juices.
======

A long list of references follows, in that text...

Gotta keep that URL. Nonsense juice nuts make all sorts of claims.

Quoted message said:

X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition

Enrico C said:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in
<news:[email hidden]> on
misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition :

[...]

Quoted message said:

you think that anythiong you makemoney on is your RIGHT, and the fact
that it is dangerous and worthless makes NO difference

What state are you in ?

Noni juice sales are banned in California, Arizona, New Jersey and Texas
- for fraud

First, let me say I don't know anything about this "noni fruit juice". 🙂

Out of curiosity, I googled a bit and found this document by the Scientific
Committee on Food of the European Union (11 December 2002), and I think it
may be of interest for Stacy.

http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out151_en.pdf
5. CONCLUSIONS
[...]
The data supplied and the information available to the Committee provided
no evidence for special health benefits of Tahitian Noni(R) juice which go
beyond those of other fruit juices.
======

A long list of references follows, in that text...

Gotta keep that URL. Nonsense juice nuts make all sorts of claims.

Quoted message said:

X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition

Enrico C said:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in
<news:[email hidden]> on
misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition :

[...]

Quoted message said:

you think that anythiong you makemoney on is your RIGHT, and the fact
that it is dangerous and worthless makes NO difference

What state are you in ?

Noni juice sales are banned in California, Arizona, New Jersey and Texas
- for fraud

First, let me say I don't know anything about this "noni fruit juice". 🙂

Out of curiosity, I googled a bit and found this document by the Scientific
Committee on Food of the European Union (11 December 2002), and I think it
may be of interest for Stacy.

http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out151_en.pdf
5. CONCLUSIONS
[...]
The data supplied and the information available to the Committee provided
no evidence for special health benefits of Tahitian Noni(R) juice which go
beyond those of other fruit juices.
======

A long list of references follows, in that text...

Gotta keep that URL. Nonsense juice nuts make all sorts of claims.

Quoted message said:

X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition

Enrico C said:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in
<news:[email hidden]> on
misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition :

[...]

Quoted message said:

you think that anythiong you makemoney on is your RIGHT, and the fact
that it is dangerous and worthless makes NO difference

What state are you in ?

Noni juice sales are banned in California, Arizona, New Jersey and Texas
- for fraud

First, let me say I don't know anything about this "noni fruit juice". 🙂

Out of curiosity, I googled a bit and found this document by the Scientific
Committee on Food of the European Union (11 December 2002), and I think it
may be of interest for Stacy.

http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out151_en.pdf
5. CONCLUSIONS
[...]
The data supplied and the information available to the Committee provided
no evidence for special health benefits of Tahitian Noni(R) juice which go
beyond those of other fruit juices.
======

A long list of references follows, in that text...

Gotta keep that URL. Nonsense juice nuts make all sorts of claims.

Quoted message said:

X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition

Enrico C said:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in
<news:[email hidden]> on
misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition :

[...]

Quoted message said:

you think that anythiong you makemoney on is your RIGHT, and the fact
that it is dangerous and worthless makes NO difference

What state are you in ?

Noni juice sales are banned in California, Arizona, New Jersey and Texas
- for fraud

First, let me say I don't know anything about this "noni fruit juice". 🙂

Out of curiosity, I googled a bit and found this document by the Scientific
Committee on Food of the European Union (11 December 2002), and I think it
may be of interest for Stacy.

http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out151_en.pdf
5. CONCLUSIONS
[...]
The data supplied and the information available to the Committee provided
no evidence for special health benefits of Tahitian Noni(R) juice which go
beyond those of other fruit juices.
======

A long list of references follows, in that text...

Gotta keep that URL. Nonsense juice nuts make all sorts of claims.

Quoted message said:

X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition

Stacy said:

I cited far more studies that state it DOES have special benefit. Did you
not read the pubmed studies? And there are more. You cited 1.
And for the record, I don't sell it.

While you may have cited more studies, the snippet from the Committee on
Food of the European Union clearly states that they considered "data
supplied and the information available" which means that they used more
information than the snippet mentions.

Your 'argument' is specious.

As for not selling it, promoting its use is "selling" it, but not for a
profit.

Quoted message said:

"Enrico C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
| On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in
| <news:[email hidden]> on
| misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition :
|
|
| [...]
| > you think that anythiong you makemoney on is your RIGHT, and the fact
| > that it is dangerous and worthless makes NO difference
| >
| > What state are you in ?
| >
| > Noni juice sales are banned in California, Arizona, New Jersey and Texas
| > - for fraud
|
|
| First, let me say I don't know anything about this "noni fruit juice". 🙂
|
| Out of curiosity, I googled a bit and found this document by the
Scientific
| Committee on Food of the European Union (11 December 2002), and I think it
| may be of interest for Stacy.
|
| http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out151_en.pdf
| 5. CONCLUSIONS
| [...]
| The data supplied and the information available to the Committee provided
| no evidence for special health benefits of Tahitian Noni(R) juice which go
| beyond those of other fruit juices.
| ======
|
| A long list of references follows, in that text...
|
| X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition
|
|

Stacy said:

I cited far more studies that state it DOES have special benefit. Did you
not read the pubmed studies? And there are more. You cited 1.
And for the record, I don't sell it.

While you may have cited more studies, the snippet from the Committee on
Food of the European Union clearly states that they considered "data
supplied and the information available" which means that they used more
information than the snippet mentions.

Your 'argument' is specious.

As for not selling it, promoting its use is "selling" it, but not for a
profit.

Quoted message said:

"Enrico C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
| On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in
| <news:[email hidden]> on
| misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition :
|
|
| [...]
| > you think that anythiong you makemoney on is your RIGHT, and the fact
| > that it is dangerous and worthless makes NO difference
| >
| > What state are you in ?
| >
| > Noni juice sales are banned in California, Arizona, New Jersey and Texas
| > - for fraud
|
|
| First, let me say I don't know anything about this "noni fruit juice". 🙂
|
| Out of curiosity, I googled a bit and found this document by the
Scientific
| Committee on Food of the European Union (11 December 2002), and I think it
| may be of interest for Stacy.
|
| http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out151_en.pdf
| 5. CONCLUSIONS
| [...]
| The data supplied and the information available to the Committee provided
| no evidence for special health benefits of Tahitian Noni(R) juice which go
| beyond those of other fruit juices.
| ======
|
| A long list of references follows, in that text...
|
| X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition
|
|

Stacy said:

I cited far more studies that state it DOES have special benefit. Did you
not read the pubmed studies? And there are more. You cited 1.
And for the record, I don't sell it.

While you may have cited more studies, the snippet from the Committee on
Food of the European Union clearly states that they considered "data
supplied and the information available" which means that they used more
information than the snippet mentions.

Your 'argument' is specious.

As for not selling it, promoting its use is "selling" it, but not for a
profit.

Quoted message said:

"Enrico C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
| On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in
| <news:[email hidden]> on
| misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition :
|
|
| [...]
| > you think that anythiong you makemoney on is your RIGHT, and the fact
| > that it is dangerous and worthless makes NO difference
| >
| > What state are you in ?
| >
| > Noni juice sales are banned in California, Arizona, New Jersey and Texas
| > - for fraud
|
|
| First, let me say I don't know anything about this "noni fruit juice". 🙂
|
| Out of curiosity, I googled a bit and found this document by the
Scientific
| Committee on Food of the European Union (11 December 2002), and I think it
| may be of interest for Stacy.
|
| http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out151_en.pdf
| 5. CONCLUSIONS
| [...]
| The data supplied and the information available to the Committee provided
| no evidence for special health benefits of Tahitian Noni(R) juice which go
| beyond those of other fruit juices.
| ======
|
| A long list of references follows, in that text...
|
| X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition
|
|

Stacy said:

I cited far more studies that state it DOES have special benefit. Did you
not read the pubmed studies? And there are more. You cited 1.
And for the record, I don't sell it.

While you may have cited more studies, the snippet from the Committee on
Food of the European Union clearly states that they considered "data
supplied and the information available" which means that they used more
information than the snippet mentions.

Your 'argument' is specious.

As for not selling it, promoting its use is "selling" it, but not for a
profit.

Quoted message said:

"Enrico C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
| On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in
| <news:[email hidden]> on
| misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition :
|
|
| [...]
| > you think that anythiong you makemoney on is your RIGHT, and the fact
| > that it is dangerous and worthless makes NO difference
| >
| > What state are you in ?
| >
| > Noni juice sales are banned in California, Arizona, New Jersey and Texas
| > - for fraud
|
|
| First, let me say I don't know anything about this "noni fruit juice". 🙂
|
| Out of curiosity, I googled a bit and found this document by the
Scientific
| Committee on Food of the European Union (11 December 2002), and I think it
| may be of interest for Stacy.
|
| http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out151_en.pdf
| 5. CONCLUSIONS
| [...]
| The data supplied and the information available to the Committee provided
| no evidence for special health benefits of Tahitian Noni(R) juice which go
| beyond those of other fruit juices.
| ======
|
| A long list of references follows, in that text...
|
| X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition
|
|

Stacy said:

I cited far more studies that state it DOES have special benefit. Did you
not read the pubmed studies? And there are more. You cited 1.
And for the record, I don't sell it.

While you may have cited more studies, the snippet from the Committee on
Food of the European Union clearly states that they considered "data
supplied and the information available" which means that they used more
information than the snippet mentions.

Your 'argument' is specious.

As for not selling it, promoting its use is "selling" it, but not for a
profit.

Quoted message said:

"Enrico C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
| On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in
| <news:[email hidden]> on
| misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition :
|
|
| [...]
| > you think that anythiong you makemoney on is your RIGHT, and the fact
| > that it is dangerous and worthless makes NO difference
| >
| > What state are you in ?
| >
| > Noni juice sales are banned in California, Arizona, New Jersey and Texas
| > - for fraud
|
|
| First, let me say I don't know anything about this "noni fruit juice". 🙂
|
| Out of curiosity, I googled a bit and found this document by the
Scientific
| Committee on Food of the European Union (11 December 2002), and I think it
| may be of interest for Stacy.
|
| http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out151_en.pdf
| 5. CONCLUSIONS
| [...]
| The data supplied and the information available to the Committee provided
| no evidence for special health benefits of Tahitian Noni(R) juice which go
| beyond those of other fruit juices.
| ======
|
| A long list of references follows, in that text...
|
| X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition
|
|

Stacy said:

I cited far more studies that state it DOES have special benefit. Did you
not read the pubmed studies? And there are more. You cited 1.
And for the record, I don't sell it.

While you may have cited more studies, the snippet from the Committee on
Food of the European Union clearly states that they considered "data
supplied and the information available" which means that they used more
information than the snippet mentions.

Your 'argument' is specious.

As for not selling it, promoting its use is "selling" it, but not for a
profit.

Quoted message said:

"Enrico C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
| On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:46 -0400, ted rosenberg wrote in
| <news:[email hidden]> on
| misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition :
|
|
| [...]
| > you think that anythiong you makemoney on is your RIGHT, and the fact
| > that it is dangerous and worthless makes NO difference
| >
| > What state are you in ?
| >
| > Noni juice sales are banned in California, Arizona, New Jersey and Texas
| > - for fraud
|
|
| First, let me say I don't know anything about this "noni fruit juice". 🙂
|
| Out of curiosity, I googled a bit and found this document by the
Scientific
| Committee on Food of the European Union (11 December 2002), and I think it
| may be of interest for Stacy.
|
| http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out151_en.pdf
| 5. CONCLUSIONS
| [...]
| The data supplied and the information available to the Committee provided
| no evidence for special health benefits of Tahitian Noni(R) juice which go
| beyond those of other fruit juices.
| ======
|
| A long list of references follows, in that text...
|
| X'Posted to: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition
|
|

Stacy wrote:

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Quoted message said:

| Drink the stuff if you like it, but please be ready to show a study
| demonstrating human benefit for when you claim such exist.
|
| Maybe you'll want to consider some milk thistle extract to protect
| your liver from Noni damage.
|
| Ed

Now who's making unsubstantiated claims? Liver damage? Give me a break!

I posted a case report which showed that one person sustained a
hepatotixic reaction. Either you missed it, did not read it when I
posted it (you did respond to it) or did not understand it. Be that as
it may, here it is again:

Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation
(Morinda citrifolia).

Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W.

Clinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University
of Innsbruck, Austria. [email hidden]

A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly
elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical
history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis.
Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no
evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus,
autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson's
disease. During the interview he admitted that for 'prophylactic
reasons' he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a
Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the
preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity,
which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of
Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal
ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is
the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which
has been highly praised in the tabloid press.

Publication Types:
Case Reports

Hmmmm...hepatotoxic...

Hepatotoxic refers to the L I V E R.

Stacy wrote:

snip

Quoted message said:

| Drink the stuff if you like it, but please be ready to show a study
| demonstrating human benefit for when you claim such exist.
|
| Maybe you'll want to consider some milk thistle extract to protect
| your liver from Noni damage.
|
| Ed

Now who's making unsubstantiated claims? Liver damage? Give me a break!

I posted a case report which showed that one person sustained a
hepatotixic reaction. Either you missed it, did not read it when I
posted it (you did respond to it) or did not understand it. Be that as
it may, here it is again:

Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation
(Morinda citrifolia).

Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W.

Clinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University
of Innsbruck, Austria. [email hidden]

A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly
elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical
history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis.
Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no
evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus,
autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson's
disease. During the interview he admitted that for 'prophylactic
reasons' he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a
Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the
preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity,
which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of
Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal
ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is
the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which
has been highly praised in the tabloid press.

Publication Types:
Case Reports

Hmmmm...hepatotoxic...

Hepatotoxic refers to the L I V E R.