NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler

[Dave Larrington]

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

> No? Not even the fact that Neil Fleming is averaging 2mph faster than
> any comparable bike in the BHPC series?

Just to go and spanner everything, however, Neil had what is often referred
to as a Bad Day at Eastway on Saturday. 20.9 mph average for ~45 minutes.
It didn't help that Young Master Robert decided to bring the Hachi out to
play and, in the absence of the Davies streamliners, won outright at ~25
mph. Eastway is Not Flat and the wind was distinctly evil - it alsmot had
me into the scenery on more than one occasion.

I'd not be at all averse to owning something shaped like a NoCom, but:

o when I sat on Neil's in Newport, it seemed not to agree with the shape of
my back at all, and
o I should like a tail fairing too, please

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
My only hope in life is to die before I get my comeuppence.

 

[Ed Gin]

Peter, Peter,

Did you not note the opening post regarding "speed?"

Perhaps you shouldn't have read it?

Your assumptions are baseless.

Ed Gin

Peter Clinch wrote:

> Ed Gin wrote:
>
> > In the racing arena, speed is the priority. The Streetmachine, by the
> > way is a very competent bike especially for the reasons you stated.
>
> Acknowledged, but my point was that it would be nice if so many of your
> posts didn't appear to be based on the assumption that this group is
> called alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.racing.unfaired
>
> Pete.
> --
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[Ed Gin]

Now Peter,

That is a stupid post. You're comparing a FULLY HARDSHELLED FAIRED hpv to a STOCK CLASS
one?

With your credentials, one might have thought you KNEW something?

Ed Gin





Peter Clinch wrote:

> Ed Gin wrote:
>
> > Trikes are not competive vs. two wheeled lowracers, plain and simple. You'll not see
> > the airlite trike at Northbrook winning any lap races in the stock class.
>
> Depends on the race. The 800+ mile End To End record in the UK is set
> by a Windcheetah (41 hrs 4 minutes).
>
> Pete.
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[Peter Clinch]

Ed Gin wrote:
> Peter, Peter,
>
> Did you not note the opening post regarding "speed?"

Ed, Ed, did you not consider my post is a response to your fundamental
lack of social graces in more than a single post, or even a single thread?

> Your assumptions are baseless.

And what assumptions might they be?

Pete.
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[Peter Clinch]

Ed Gin wrote:
> Now Peter,
>
> That is a stupid post. You're comparing a FULLY HARDSHELLED FAIRED hpv to a STOCK CLASS
> one?

Now Ed, you posted, with no context whatsoever, that "Trikes are not
competive vs. two wheeled lowracers", and my post was to demonstrate
that you require context if you want anyone to pay attention to what is
otherwise a sweeping generalisation.

> With your credentials, one might have thought you KNEW something?

And what credentials might those be, and how have you demonstarted that
I don't know anything? Like I said, it "depends on the race". And so
it does. There are some races where a NoCom is very probably the best
you could have, and there are others where it isn't.

Pete.
--
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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[[email protected]]

Peter,

You meant...

alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.racing.lowracer.
NoComRules.EverythingElseSucksBecauseHEADGinSaysSo ... didn't you?

Jim

Peter Clinch wrote:
> Ed Gin wrote:
>
> > In the racing arena, speed is the priority. The Streetmachine,
by the
> > way is a very competent bike especially for the reasons you stated.
>
> Acknowledged, but my point was that it would be nice if so many of
your
> posts didn't appear to be based on the assumption that this group is
> called alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.racing.unfaired
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

 

[Peter Clinch]

[email protected] wrote:

> You meant...
>
> alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.racing.lowracer.
> NoComRules.EverythingElseSucksBecauseHEADGinSaysSo ... didn't you?

Along those lines, though it still needs an "unfaired" in there... ;-/

Pete.
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[[email protected]]

Peter Clinch wrote:
> Ed Gin wrote:
> > Now Peter,
> >
> > That is a stupid post. You're comparing a FULLY HARDSHELLED FAIRED
hpv to a STOCK CLASS
> > one?
>
> Now Ed, you posted, with no context whatsoever, that "Trikes are not
> competive vs. two wheeled lowracers", and my post was to demonstrate
> that you require context if you want anyone to pay attention to what
is
> otherwise a sweeping generalisation.
>
> > With your credentials, one might have thought you KNEW something?
>
> And what credentials might those be, and how have you demonstarted
that
> I don't know anything? Like I said, it "depends on the race". And
so
> it does. There are some races where a NoCom is very probably the
best
> you could have, and there are others where it isn't.
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/


Wow!

Just saw this thread!
Now I know some of the guys that own the new NoCom's and I can tell you
that they are the fastest lowracer's out there. Trikes? You have got to
be kidding? Right? For unfaired speed? And as uasual Ed Gin is right on
all points. So what if the NoCom guys were rude! That simply does not
make the bike any slower than what it is. The Baron is old school and
my Bacchetta Aero is faster than a Baron old school lowracer. I should
know I beat plenty of people on them.
Just ask Ed he will tell you!
I doubt the owner of the Volae's claims of 5 mph speed increase with
the NoCom but I bet its at least 10% faster than the fastest high bike
or old school lowracer out there.
And to Brol. Brol's market is not speed bikes like the NoCom or Baron
or Bacchetta Aero.
So going there for any objective opinions on the subject to be kind is
a waste of time. By the end of this race season we shall see just how
fast this NoCom really Is. I think I know already the answer to that
one.
Do I need a NoCom? Nope! My Aero is plenty fast for what I ride it for.
I just got kicked off of our Tuesday nite group ride for riding to
fast. So what's the point of a NoCom? I don't do circle races.
Speed bikes have a real identity crisis. They don't fit in the fast DF
world and the F.O.G bent riders hate them to. $6000.00 for a circle
race on a NoCom?
Not for me gentlemen.

MG

 

[Mark Leuck]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Wow!
>
> Just saw this thread!
> Now I know some of the guys that own the new NoCom's and I can tell you
> that they are the fastest lowracer's out there. Trikes? You have got to
> be kidding? Right? For unfaired speed? And as uasual Ed Gin is right on
> all points. So what if the NoCom guys were rude! That simply does not
> make the bike any slower than what it is. The Baron is old school and
> my Bacchetta Aero is faster than a Baron old school lowracer. I should
> know I beat plenty of people on them.

Funny you mentioned that, I beat a Bacchetta Aero today on my Baron (not
even a lowracer)

And that was after doing 85 miles

 

[Mark Leuck]

"GoAwayTroll" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Mark Leuck Wrote:
> > Funny you mentioned that, I beat a Bacchetta Aero today on my Baron (not
> > even a lowracer) And that was after doing 85 miles
>
> And Mark, which races have you entered with your Baron? All of this
> talk of beating someone is much ado about nothing. I have a slow
> riding friend who bought an AERO because as she put it: "I can".
>
> Get thee to a race and then post how well you did or post about how
> you've gotten faster because you did regimen A or B, etc. But this "I
> beat ..." is simply braggadacio at its worst.

You mentioned nothing about races, you stated the Baron is old school and
the Bacchetta is faster, my experience is different, it sounds like your the
one bragging

 

[HHS]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

<snip>
> I just got kicked off of our Tuesday nite group ride for riding to
> fast.

Why would someone get kicked of an informal Tuesday night group ride for
being too fast? How could that possibly be a problem for a group?

Are you sure there weren't some other reasons why they kicked you off the
ride? Like Monkey Island refugee

 

[Mark Leuck]

"HHS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> <snip>
> > I just got kicked off of our Tuesday nite group ride for riding to
> > fast.
>
> Why would someone get kicked of an informal Tuesday night group ride for
> being too fast? How could that possibly be a problem for a group?
>
> Are you sure there weren't some other reasons why they kicked you off the
> ride? Like Monkey Island refugee

I don't think I've ever heard someone tell me "You can't ride with us
because your too fast"

GoAwayTroll sounds like Ed Gin/Johnny Nocomm's alter ego

 

[[email protected]]

I don't think I've ever heard someone tell me "You can't ride with us
because your too fast"

GoAwayTroll sounds like Ed Gin/Johnny Nocomm's alter ego
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,

Sorry not Ed Gin.
But speed bikes and DF bikes do not mix. But on a public road I will
ride what ever bike I feel like riding and no one will tell me
otherwise. They have no power to stop me. None. Zip. Nada.
A good rider on a recumbent speed bike will always be faster than a DF
rider. This is a fact of life with the new designs that are out there.
Its just to bad that there are so many BROL losers out there that are
to focking fat and slow to take advantage of the new super speed bikes
that one can buy.

MG

 

[Peter Clinch]

[email protected] wrote:

> Now I know some of the guys that own the new NoCom's and I can tell you
> that they are the fastest lowracer's out there. Trikes? You have got to
> be kidding? Right? For unfaired speed?

Where did I say any such thing as a sweeping catch-all? I said whether
a cycle is quicker is often dependent on the race conditions, nothing
more, nothing less.

> all points. So what if the NoCom guys were rude! That simply does not
> make the bike any slower than what it is.

Indeed it doesn't, but it doesn't make for a good discussion. This is a
discussion board, in case you hadn't noticed.

Pete.
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[[email protected]]

So if I were to call them and ask if "magillagorillakk" was on their
team
they'd say yes? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am not on there team. I was on there team. I quit.
You see fast recumbents have a big identity crisis. Fat old guys have
taken over the industry. So the Aero and bikes like it are on the
margin and that includes the Moster NoCom also.
Trikes are all the rage and that is the deal. I saw this happening and
of course was totally embarased by it.
So grow your beard and your aero bellie and get yourself a trike! You
will fit in just fine if you follow my advice Mark.
Sorry to say it but the Aero is faster than a Baron on a hilly course.
So those out there advocating old school lowracers as the best thing
out there are plain wrong. And Team Bacchetta will kill any US based
Baron riders that are not already on NoComs. FACT!
So as my Bud Rich Pinto would say "ride whatever bike you want to
ride".

MG

 

[[email protected]]

<<<Sorry Dude. I simply mistook your statement "I just got kicked off
of our
Tuesday nite group ride for riding to fast" to mean you were talking
about
yourself getting kicked off and not your bicycle. My mistake. >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>,snip.

I need to be more consise in my statements. The group does not have a
problem with me but they have a big problem with the Aero.
I of course disagree with this sentiment. On a group ride and not a
race any biker should be welcomed and allowed to ride with the group.
I simply do not see any problems with that kind of thing so I posted on
my Blog: www.magillagorillakk.blogspot.com
read my blog and some of the comments. Most of my readers are benters
and have that perspective. And of course it's satire so not to really
offend.
You might of course find my experience funny but I think a lot of bent
folk have this sort of thing happen more than you would imagine!

MG

 

[[email protected]]

Peter,

You are of course a smart guy and I am a dumb guy but what is the deal
with trikes and speed? Fast light unfaired carbon fiber lowracers are
the fastest unfaired recumbents in the world. I just do not see any
argument on this fact? Maybe I am wrong but I think not. And yes I know
some of the NoCom riders lack in the social graces. But should this
reflect on the design?
Yes this is a discussion group and lets discuss this issue?
God knows its locked out every where else in bentland.
So maybe its time to bury the hatchet with this NoCom thing?
Just one dumb guys opinion.

MG

 

[Mark Leuck]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So if I were to call them and ask if "magillagorillakk" was on their
> team
> they'd say yes? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> I am not on there team. I was on there team. I quit.
> You see fast recumbents have a big identity crisis. Fat old guys have
> taken over the industry. So the Aero and bikes like it are on the
> margin and that includes the Moster NoCom also.

I somewhat agree with parts of that although I wouldn't suggest they are old
and fat. I've only been riding recumbents since 2002 and as far as I can
tell I'm the fastest recumbent rider I've ever met. It doesn't mean I'm that
fast but everyone else tends to be slow. I just rode with a friend who went
from a Haluzak Horizon to a 20 year old Shwinn road bike and his average
speed jumped at least 5mph

For all the claims of recumbents being more efficient and/or faster, SOME
are faster yet MANY aren't

> Trikes are all the rage and that is the deal. I saw this happening and
> of course was totally embarased by it.

Sounds like a personal problem, while I have no interest in trikes I have
nothing against them

> So grow your beard and your aero bellie and get yourself a trike! You
> will fit in just fine if you follow my advice Mark.

Already have a beard but lost the belly

> Sorry to say it but the Aero is faster than a Baron on a hilly course.

If you say so, my experience is the opposite, I will say the Aero is an
excellent and damn nice looking bike tho.

> So those out there advocating old school lowracers as the best thing
> out there are plain wrong. And Team Bacchetta will kill any US based
> Baron riders that are not already on NoComs. FACT!

Here we go again, like I say to the NoComm riders lets see the results, I
have no doubt both the Aero and the NoComm are fast bikes but so are many
others

> So as my Bud Rich Pinto would say "ride whatever bike you want to
> ride".

Sounds like Rich Pinto is someone who doesn't have to slam everyone else to
promote a particular bike

 

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Mark Leuck wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > So if I were to call them and ask if "magillagorillakk" was on
their
> > team
> > they'd say yes? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > I am not on there team. I was on there team. I quit.
> > You see fast recumbents have a big identity crisis. Fat old guys
have
> > taken over the industry. So the Aero and bikes like it are on the
> > margin and that includes the Moster NoCom also.
>
> I somewhat agree with parts of that although I wouldn't suggest they
are old
> and fat. I've only been riding recumbents since 2002 and as far as I
can
> tell I'm the fastest recumbent rider I've ever met. It doesn't mean
I'm that
> fast but everyone else tends to be slow. I just rode with a friend
who went
> from a Haluzak Horizon to a 20 year old Shwinn road bike and his
average
> speed jumped at least 5mph
>
> For all the claims of recumbents being more efficient and/or faster,
SOME
> are faster yet MANY aren't
>
> > Trikes are all the rage and that is the deal. I saw this happening
and
> > of course was totally embarased by it.
>
> Sounds like a personal problem, while I have no interest in trikes I
have
> nothing against them
>
> > So grow your beard and your aero bellie and get yourself a trike!
You
> > will fit in just fine if you follow my advice Mark.
>
> Already have a beard but lost the belly
>
> > Sorry to say it but the Aero is faster than a Baron on a hilly
course.
>
> If you say so, my experience is the opposite, I will say the Aero is
an
> excellent and damn nice looking bike tho.
>
> > So those out there advocating old school lowracers as the best
thing
> > out there are plain wrong. And Team Bacchetta will kill any US
based
> > Baron riders that are not already on NoComs. FACT!
>
> Here we go again, like I say to the NoComm riders lets see the
results, I
> have no doubt both the Aero and the NoComm are fast bikes but so are
many
> others
>
> > So as my Bud Rich Pinto would say "ride whatever bike you want to
> > ride".
>
> Sounds like Rich Pinto is someone who doesn't have to slam everyone
else to
> promote a particular bike


Mark,

You can agree or disagree but I beat the best on Baron old school
lowracer's at monkey Island and up in Stevens point Wisconsin on the
Aero as a team Bacchetta member. So with all due respect you just do
not know what you are talking about.
I would if I were you sell your Baron while you can still get a good
buck for it. Most in bentland think its fast but wait till the carbon
low deal gets out. After that you will have to take it to the recycling
center.
The Aero on the other hand is slower than the NoCom but will live on
since it is a better designed recumbent bicycle that is both more
visible and lighter than any old school metal lowracer. To each his own
Mark but I would sell it as fast as I could.

MG

 

[Johnny ReBike]

On 27-Apr-2005, "NoComRulez" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Now verified by onf of the few owners of both platforms who's a) got
> hundreds of miles on each and b) is not on someone's payroll.
>
> The course: standard bike trail commute, 17.5 miles, slight downhill
> in, uphill and headwind back.
>
> The platforms: Volae team, stock. NoCom with Renn disc and standard
> spoked front wheel, FSA triple crank up front.
>
> The data: Standard heart rate at cruising speed 160-175. At this
> constant HR, speed on Volae Team on way in, 21-25 mph. Speeds on NoCom
> 27-32mph.
>
> Bottom line: The team now gets used when I need to haul in clothes and
> groceries, when I want to relax and smell the flowers, or when I expect
> rain. Fine, fast-ish bike, but not even in the same league as the NoCom
> when it comes to speed.
>
> NoCom is also a better climber, as it is stiffer than any of the
> single-tube stick bikes out there.
>
> My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't
> understand why this is even up for discussion."
>
> Let's just say I've never seen her go 34mph on a flat on any
> highwheeler...
>
> In short, don't believe the BS. There's no comparison. Anyone who tells
> you a highwheeler is even close, speedwise, is flat out lying. Buy a
> highwheeler because you like the comfort. Or you like the speed
> compared to the rest of the FOG trash out there. Or you don't want to
> spend any time building it up a carbon-fiber sled or tweaking it to
> perfection. But don't buy it if you want the fastest stick around.

Yo Spidermonkey,

Even with your tricks of underinflating the tires and having the brakes
drag, my ReBike is still SLOWER than your NoCom.

DEAL WITH IT!

--
Johnny ReBike
ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe